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Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Joe" wrote
| ...you have not been here long enough to have a say.

Biting the hand that's feeding ya? Doh!
You've a lot to learn about women, Joe. We're entitled to a say any old time.
That's what we do best, ya know. (well, second best, wink wink!)

Cheers,
Ellen

I will not sell out for all the asa points on earth.

Whats right is right.

Joe

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Ellen MacArthur wrote:


Very erudite of you,

Katy is that you?

Joe

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Very risky to try to estimate the range like that. You will find it
difficult to correct for barometric pressure, and also you need to be sure
you are not in a place where the (very useful) rule of 12 does not work. For
example, in UK the tides in the Solent do not follow the rule. There you get
a 'stand' of high water because the tide coming in fom the English channel
comes straight in from the west to form the first high water and a little
later after going round the Isle of Wight it comes in again from the east to
hold the level up.
Don't they publish tidal charts for ports in USA?
"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
While the Rule of 12ths is a very handy tool for estimating the tide
height at any point in the cycle, I would be very careful of using to
extrapolate total range from one hour's observation. For instance, if
your observation were off by one inch, then you might mis-estimate the
full range by a foot.

On a related topic, sometimes people will claim that the Rule of 12ths
also applies to current estimation. This is generally not true.
The strength of the current through the cycle is highly dependent on
the local geography. In particular, the strong currents that are
generated by tidal differences on connected bodies of water (Hell
Gate, Cape Cod Canal, etc.) ramp up very quickly and their chart is
more of a square wave, than a sine.



Bart Senior wrote:
The point I wanted to make you covered. 1 point to Capt
Scumbalino.

If the range of tide is 8 feet, the first hour is 8".

For a six hour cycle, Multiply by twelve to get inches and
divide by 12 to get 1/12.

It is easier to simply check the range of tide and change
the units to inches.


"Capt. Scumbalino" wrote

Ellen MacArthur wrote:

OK! You got me. Your not a farmer. (blush, I guess I blew my sailing
test debut)
For someone that moans about lack of sailing content in what is widely
seen
as a virtual yacht club bar (where the patrons also talk about stuff
other
than sailing), you have a lot to yet contribute.

The clue is in the 12ths part...

hour change as a fraction of tidal range
1 1/12
2 2/12
3 3/12
4 3/12
5 2/12
6 1/12

Say the tide drops 5" over the first hour. Since you know that that 5"
is
one twelfth of the total range, you can calculate that the tide will
have
dropped 5"x12 = 60" = 5 feet when it gets to low water. Of course, 5'
is a
girly tidal range. Here, it's a proper, manly 5 metres (or more).


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Capt Scumbalino

Seamanship Question #32
 

Capt. JG wrote:
ASA point? :-)


Yeah, win enough of them and you, too, can vacation at Paul Fortin's
home in the Bronx....

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Joe wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote:

Very erudite of you,

Katy is that you?

Joe

Nope...have never played the sock puppet game....

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Edgar wrote: Don't they publish tidal charts for ports in USA?

Yes, they do. We have wind driven tides where we are, so unless you're
going way out into the Sounds, you're better off knowing what the
weather's doing than what the tide chart says.

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I heard he has a very big guest house.

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
ASA point? :-)


Yeah, win enough of them and you, too, can vacation at Paul Fortin's home
in the Bronx....

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Capt. JG wrote:
I heard he has a very big guest house.

Vinnie's Garage and Cement Contractor's?

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Capt. Scumbalino wrote:

It's based on the pretty-much universal fact that the time for the tide to
change from high to low water, and vice-versa, is pretty close to six hours.

Universal, if your universe consists of only places with semi-diurnal
tides. That's the majority, granted, but not everywhere has
semi-diurnal tides.

You might want to get out more.

//Walt

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Walt wrote:
Capt. Scumbalino wrote:

It's based on the pretty-much universal fact that the time for the
tide to change from high to low water, and vice-versa, is pretty
close to six hours.

Universal, if your universe consists of only places with semi-diurnal
tides. That's the majority, granted, but not everywhere has
semi-diurnal tides.

You might want to get out more.

You might want to try and comprehend the qualifier "pretty-much".


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Capt Scumbalino