Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

I wanted to write this up soon, but I've been busy. Perhaps
it is better for that, as I now have better information to report.

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.

After sailing around quite a bit for the last week, and chatting
it up with sailors in other towns, I have a rough tally on the
damage. I found it quite surprising since winds were not
very strong inland. I'm live on the last ridge north of Long
Island Sound that has water views--about 5 miles inland.
Things were very different on the coast.

Predictions were for sustained winds of 25-30 mph with
gusts to 45 mph. Reports are now stating the wind gusts
hit 70 mph. I think that may be an exaggeration. What I
do know is the winds were generally easterly which on
LIS means a long fetch and potentially ocean type seas.

While most mooring fields are in protected areas, that was
not enough this time. All the damage occurred to boats on
single moorings.

I personally saw a 35' or so Beneteau up on the beach at
Calf Pasture Beach, and a 27 foot walk-around set high
above the high water mark at Harborview. I have no idea where
the Beneteau came from as it is too big for the mooring field
at Sprite Island.

An older Ericson 35 was fortunate in that the current was flooding
and pushed it into a shallow area with a mud bottom--it had no
damage and was on it's mooring fairly quickly. Near Sprite Island
I saw about a 34' boat dismasted. I didn't sail over and get a good
look, but I suspect there was hull damage on the other side.

Farther west, one friends near perfect Sabre 34 now has about
a basketball size hole in the hull. He also lost his jib--shredded
to pieces--a not uncommon occurrence from what I've heard
elsewhere.

Several other boats at this yacht club lost their moorings and
were forced ashore including a Pacific Seacraft. All of these
boats used ground tackle and chafe protection owned and
maintained by the yacht club--everyone has the same gear!
I'm familiar with it and can assure you it is stout. Why did
some fail and other survive?

Still farther west--near Greenwich, 3-4 boats broke loose, with several
ending up on the beach. Again several jibs left on roller furlers
were ruined..

So what was the difference? Some bow chocks are not fair leads
and instead of being rounded are more sharp shaped. The net
result is these boats sawed though their thick leather chafe
protection and then right on through their thick double braid
mooring lines--on both sides!

All these boats are moored in typical mooring depths and none
had adequate shock absorption protection. The thick double braid
mooring lines look tough and they around, but don't provide any stretch.
Any spring in the mooring line comes from the heavy chain, which
must have become bar taught for the system to fail.

The lesson here is this--Beef up your chafe protection, and make
sure your fairleads are fair not sharp!

Another lesson is take extra measures furling your jibs. We all
know what a sail does when it flogs. Few people take the time
to take extra measures to ensure roller furled jibs do not flog
themselves to pieces. Obviously taking a sail down prior to a
storm, or when out of the area for an extended period, is good idea.

What can be done to protect roller furled sails for those who
wish to leave a jib furled on a sail boat?

One final comment, I offer kudos' to the Norwalk Harbor Police for
saving many boats. I saw them towing one boat to safety. I know
that last year they pumped out another friends boat with it sunk on
it's mooring. They don't worry about liability issues and do whatever
it take to preserve property.

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message
...

Another lesson is take extra measures furling your jibs.
We all
know what a sail does when it flogs. Few people take the
time
to take extra measures to ensure roller furled jibs do not
flog
themselves to pieces. Obviously taking a sail down prior
to a
storm, or when out of the area for an extended period, is
good idea.

What can be done to protect roller furled sails for those
who
wish to leave a jib furled on a sail boat?


As normal practice, I wind the jib sheets 3-4 times and
cleat the RF line, and then tie a seperate double line
around the sail. For Isabel, I removed all sail.


Scotty

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

Bart Senior wrote:


What can be done to protect roller furled sails for those who
wish to leave a jib furled on a sail boat?

In general practice, we always keep our furler tied down with safety
ties around the sil. I imagine that in hurricane force winds, even that
would be laughable, but we take the job down for that kind of weather.

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

Bart Senior wrote:
I wanted to write this up soon, but I've been busy. Perhaps
it is better for that, as I now have better information to report.

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.

After sailing around quite a bit for the last week, and chatting
it up with sailors in other towns, I have a rough tally on the
damage. I found it quite surprising since winds were not
very strong inland. I'm live on the last ridge north of Long
Island Sound that has water views--about 5 miles inland.
Things were very different on the coast.

Predictions were for sustained winds of 25-30 mph with
gusts to 45 mph. Reports are now stating the wind gusts
hit 70 mph. I think that may be an exaggeration. What I
do know is the winds were generally easterly which on
LIS means a long fetch and potentially ocean type seas.

While most mooring fields are in protected areas, that was
not enough this time. All the damage occurred to boats on
single moorings.

I personally saw a 35' or so Beneteau up on the beach at
Calf Pasture Beach, and a 27 foot walk-around set high
above the high water mark at Harborview. I have no idea where
the Beneteau came from as it is too big for the mooring field
at Sprite Island.

An older Ericson 35 was fortunate in that the current was flooding
and pushed it into a shallow area with a mud bottom--it had no
damage and was on it's mooring fairly quickly. Near Sprite Island
I saw about a 34' boat dismasted. I didn't sail over and get a good
look, but I suspect there was hull damage on the other side.

Farther west, one friends near perfect Sabre 34 now has about
a basketball size hole in the hull. He also lost his jib--shredded
to pieces--a not uncommon occurrence from what I've heard
elsewhere.

Several other boats at this yacht club lost their moorings and
were forced ashore including a Pacific Seacraft. All of these
boats used ground tackle and chafe protection owned and
maintained by the yacht club--everyone has the same gear!
I'm familiar with it and can assure you it is stout. Why did
some fail and other survive?

Still farther west--near Greenwich, 3-4 boats broke loose, with several
ending up on the beach. Again several jibs left on roller furlers
were ruined..

So what was the difference? Some bow chocks are not fair leads
and instead of being rounded are more sharp shaped. The net
result is these boats sawed though their thick leather chafe
protection and then right on through their thick double braid
mooring lines--on both sides!

Are they using snubbers, that may help. And it's best not to have sharp
angles again yer chaffin gear.

All these boats are moored in typical mooring depths and none
had adequate shock absorption protection. The thick double braid
mooring lines look tough and they around, but don't provide any stretch.
Any spring in the mooring line comes from the heavy chain, which
must have become bar taught for the system to fail.

The lesson here is this--Beef up your chafe protection, and make
sure your fairleads are fair not sharp!

Another lesson is take extra measures furling your jibs. We all
know what a sail does when it flogs. Few people take the time
to take extra measures to ensure roller furled jibs do not flog
themselves to pieces. Obviously taking a sail down prior to a
storm, or when out of the area for an extended period, is good idea.

Yeah, just think if you get caught at see with a roller furler in a big
blow.. Just about ever RF here was blown open and shreadded during
Rita. Best to have hanked on forward sails and put em below.

What can be done to protect roller furled sails for those who
wish to leave a jib furled on a sail boat?

Not much lash them down best as possiable, use a half hitch and hitch
from top to bottom, or yer wastin yer time


One final comment, I offer kudos' to the Norwalk Harbor Police for
saving many boats. I saw them towing one boat to safety. I know
that last year they pumped out another friends boat with it sunk on
it's mooring. They don't worry about liability issues and do whatever
it take to preserve property.

That was nice of them, might **** off the guy looking to sell via
insurance.

Speaking of storms, it was 106 yrs ago today that Galveston was whiped
out, still the most deadly storm in US history.

Joe

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

In article ,
Scotty wrote:
As normal practice, I wind the jib sheets 3-4 times and
cleat the RF line, and then tie a seperate double line
around the sail. For Isabel, I removed all sail.

This is basically what we do out here... it's always sad to see what
happens when a novice with a furler fails to do that, and the sail
comes loose.

--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

I talked to abother friend in Greenwich. He reports the
winds were Southeasterly and that a dozen boat went up on
the rocks and half a dozen sank at Indian Harbor. All on
moorings.

Some say the winds were over 60 knots. They were
definately over 50 knots with 11 feet of surf according to my
friend.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Scotty wrote:
As normal practice, I wind the jib sheets 3-4 times and
cleat the RF line, and then tie a seperate double line
around the sail. For Isabel, I removed all sail.

This is basically what we do out here... it's always sad to see what
happens when a novice with a furler fails to do that, and the sail
comes loose.

--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:
I talked to abother friend in Greenwich. He reports the
winds were Southeasterly and that a dozen boat went up on
the rocks and half a dozen sank at Indian Harbor. All on
moorings.

Some say the winds were over 60 knots. They were
definately over 50 knots with 11 feet of surf according to my
friend.

Yikes.... Not a lot of fun... especially the storm surge.


--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:26:19 -0400, "Bart Senior" .@.
said:

Another lesson is take extra measures furling your jibs.
We all
know what a sail does when it flogs. Few people take the
time
to take extra measures to ensure roller furled jibs do
not flog
themselves to pieces. Obviously taking a sail down prior
to a
storm, or when out of the area for an extended period, is
good idea.

We waited out the storm at a floating dock at Brewer's in
Greenport, a very
well-protected area. I think most of the storm essentially
missed us, though
we say a fair amount of rain. Saw no wind damage at all
there except for one
boat whose sail cover got torn.

A sign posted on the marina's board recommended removing
roller furling
jibs. No one removed them so far as I could tell, though a
very few people
secured their jibs with a line spiraled around the jib
from top to bottom.

I note that the most recent GOB recommended simply putting
an extra line
around the jib (near where the sheets attach, now spiral
fashion) to protect
from unfurling and flogging.

At first I was wondering how they got a line to the top. I
suppose I could spiral my extra jib halyard around and tie
it off. Sounds like a good idea.

Scotty

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:14:15 -0400, "Scotty" said:

I note that the most recent GOB recommended simply putting
an extra line
around the jib (near where the sheets attach, now spiral
fashion) to protect
from unfurling and flogging.

At first I was wondering how they got a line to the top. I
suppose I could spiral my extra jib halyard around and tie
it off. Sounds like a good idea.

Sorry Scotty, typo. Should have said "not spiral fashion."

How do you rig it?


--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:14:15 -0400, "Scotty"
said:

I note that the most recent GOB recommended simply
putting
an extra line
around the jib (near where the sheets attach, now
spiral
fashion) to protect
from unfurling and flogging.

At first I was wondering how they got a line to the top.
I
suppose I could spiral my extra jib halyard around and
tie
it off. Sounds like a good idea.

Sorry Scotty, typo. Should have said "not spiral fashion."

Oh, right, that's what I do now. Wouldn't wrapping the
spare halyard around work, too.

Scotty

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

Scotty wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:14:15 -0400, "Scotty"
said:
I note that the most recent GOB recommended simply
putting
an extra line
around the jib (near where the sheets attach, now
spiral
fashion) to protect
from unfurling and flogging.
At first I was wondering how they got a line to the top.
I
suppose I could spiral my extra jib halyard around and
tie
it off. Sounds like a good idea.
Sorry Scotty, typo. Should have said "not spiral fashion."

Oh, right, that's what I do now. Wouldn't wrapping the
spare halyard around work, too.

That's just what I do. I wind the reverse of the jib sheets. Off
course, its almost as easy to simply drop it.

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:09:27 -0400, "Scotty"
said:

Oh, right, that's what I do now. Wouldn't wrapping the
spare halyard around work, too.

I should think so. At this point, it's academic for me, as
I carry hank-on
jibs.

Don't despair, Dave, maybe some day you will be able to
afford a RF.


;)

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

Bart Senior wrote:

I talked to abother friend in Greenwich. He reports the
winds were Southeasterly and that a dozen boat went up on
the rocks and half a dozen sank at Indian Harbor. All on
moorings.

Some say the winds were over 60 knots. They were
definately over 50 knots with 11 feet of surf according to my
friend.


It would have to be a pretty strong mooring to take 11 foot
waves, no matter the wind force.

It's odd that Ernesto kept such strength so far north,
usually hurricanes weaken quickly traveling over land. I am
glad all your boats & property came out safely.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

Considering I saw several boats 5 feet above the high
water mark it seems 11 feet of surf is possible. It
would have been worth a trip to the beach just to see it.

"DSK" wrote

Bart Senior wrote:

I talked to abother friend in Greenwich. He reports the
winds were Southeasterly and that a dozen boat went up on
the rocks and half a dozen sank at Indian Harbor. All on
moorings.

Some say the winds were over 60 knots. They were
definately over 50 knots with 11 feet of surf according to my
friend.

It would have to be a pretty strong mooring to take 11 foot waves, no
matter the wind force.

It's odd that Ernesto kept such strength so far north, usually hurricanes
weaken quickly traveling over land. I am glad all your boats & property
came out safely.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

Bart Senior wrote:
Considering I saw several boats 5 feet above the high
water mark it seems 11 feet of surf is possible. It
would have been worth a trip to the beach just to see it.

"DSK" wrote

Bart Senior wrote:

I talked to abother friend in Greenwich. He reports the
winds were Southeasterly and that a dozen boat went up on
the rocks and half a dozen sank at Indian Harbor. All on
moorings.

Some say the winds were over 60 knots. They were
definately over 50 knots with 11 feet of surf according to my
friend.

It would have to be a pretty strong mooring to take 11 foot waves, no
matter the wind force.

It's odd that Ernesto kept such strength so far north, usually hurricanes
weaken quickly traveling over land. I am glad all your boats & property
came out safely.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King



Bart, are you seeing high surf from Florence yet? We're getting 6-8
footers here..the surfers are ecstatic.......

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

I was out yesterday and it was the typically flat water
we get here in the Sound.

I'm going out tomorrow, but I doubt we'll see anything
here as the weather report is cloudy and cooler tomorrow.


"katy" wrote
Bart, are you seeing high surf from Florence yet? We're getting 6-8
footers here..the surfers are ecstatic.......

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 21:08:31 -0400, "Scotty"
said:

Don't despair, Dave, maybe some day you will be able to
afford a RF.

It's on my list. This year it was a new main.

Who made it?

Southwest Connecticut Ernesto damage.
 

I have a 130 RF, it's not too bad rolled up to 100% or so. I
think a 150% would be worse when partially rolled up. I'll
eventually get an Assy for when winds are light. BTW, I just
finished making a new 130% RF last night.

SBV


"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:38:15 -0400, Charlie Morgan
said:

Smart choice. Clarke Bassett is not only a great
sailmaker, but he's a very nice
guy. I believe he has patents on his "boxcut" sails. I
have a shelf-foot main
from him, and I love it. When my 100% jib gets older,
I'll be going to him for a
reefable 130%. They are made with two different weights.
Lighter near the luff,
so when you roll it up to use a 100%, you have a much
smaller diameter leading
edge spoiling things. When the winds are lighter, you
roll out the rest, and
the lighter weight cloth is plenty strong enough for
those conditions. The sail
has a good shape in both positions.

That's my sense as well. What he said just seemed to make
sense. When I get
to installing RF I'll probably ask him to do the new
Genoa.

One thing I'm curious about--why just a 130? When I talked
to him his
suggestion was that if I was going to do roller reefing
(as opposed to just
roller furling) I should go with something like 150, which
is often needed
on the Sound.