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Heart of Gold collides with a have sunk and capsized fishing dory at
aproximately 10:15 PM Thursday Evening. 30-40 minutes earlier, the dory
had been struck by a large motor yacht, probably a trawler. The trawler
did not stop. Additional details are as follows:

1) A proper watch in this case would have required me to stand at the
bow, not something done while passing stepping stone alone at night.
There are often a few fishing boats there, but I was not in the strip
where they anchor. It was dark, there was chop and the underside of the
capsized vessel was red. Essentially black on black and I'm surprised I
could see it at all in the final moments before impact.

2) The victims were close enough to see (and I could easily hear one).
They were within a hundred feet of my boat. I did throw my lifering
with attached line into the water, but didn't remember doing it.

3) Heart of Gold was raised and the cause of the sinking was not the
impact at the bow. The impact was pretty violent and this made the
dripless packing rubber cover fail. The surveyor at the scene also
suggested that my prop fouled hard on debris when I motored off as
there is also prop damage.

4) The victim with the crushed head was not hit by my boat. The initial
capsizing of the fishing rental was caused by a hit-and-run by a large
trawler that never stopped. The survivor gamely hung onto his friend,
not knowing he was dead. Afterwards he said he was moments from
drowning as he did not have a vest. The Heart of Gold impact ended up
saving his life.

5) According to the survivor, I helped him aboard via the swimplatform.
I then pulled in the lifering and threw it to his friend. When he made
no motion towards it and didn't respond to my calls, I dove in after
him. A moment later I swam back (having discovered his awful condition)
and reboarded the boat. My genoa was furled, but neither I nor the
survivor recall when I did that. I then motored back at top speed after
sending a second distress message on channel 16 and finally getting a
response. I also activated a flashing beacon on my masthead according
to the survivor, but I don't remember doing that either.

Now. What did I do wrong?

RB
35s5
NY

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First off... a Dory is only a maximum of 22 ft long and won't remain upside
down in the water.

Secondly.. if you hit a dory with a trawler... the dory would be in
splinters.

Plus..... nobody would commercial fish out of the LIS.

Look Bob... if you are going to go into accident scenarios to spur
debate.... at least make it a bit more realistic. Keep in mind that
commercial craft are heavily regulated to have the latest of life-saving
gear aboard. [Unlike Heart of Gold] One of those being water activated
lights on every floatation device plus a water activated EPIRB with a
strobe. Those fishermen would have been lit up like a street light with all
the reflective tape on their lifejackets.

Now try again....

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Heart of Gold collides with a have sunk and capsized fishing dory at
aproximately 10:15 PM Thursday Evening. 30-40 minutes earlier, the dory
had been struck by a large motor yacht, probably a trawler. The trawler
did not stop. Additional details are as follows:

1) A proper watch in this case would have required me to stand at the
bow, not something done while passing stepping stone alone at night.
There are often a few fishing boats there, but I was not in the strip
where they anchor. It was dark, there was chop and the underside of the
capsized vessel was red. Essentially black on black and I'm surprised I
could see it at all in the final moments before impact.

2) The victims were close enough to see (and I could easily hear one).
They were within a hundred feet of my boat. I did throw my lifering
with attached line into the water, but didn't remember doing it.

3) Heart of Gold was raised and the cause of the sinking was not the
impact at the bow. The impact was pretty violent and this made the
dripless packing rubber cover fail. The surveyor at the scene also
suggested that my prop fouled hard on debris when I motored off as
there is also prop damage.

4) The victim with the crushed head was not hit by my boat. The initial
capsizing of the fishing rental was caused by a hit-and-run by a large
trawler that never stopped. The survivor gamely hung onto his friend,
not knowing he was dead. Afterwards he said he was moments from
drowning as he did not have a vest. The Heart of Gold impact ended up
saving his life.

5) According to the survivor, I helped him aboard via the swimplatform.
I then pulled in the lifering and threw it to his friend. When he made
no motion towards it and didn't respond to my calls, I dove in after
him. A moment later I swam back (having discovered his awful condition)
and reboarded the boat. My genoa was furled, but neither I nor the
survivor recall when I did that. I then motored back at top speed after
sending a second distress message on channel 16 and finally getting a
response. I also activated a flashing beacon on my masthead according
to the survivor, but I don't remember doing that either.

Now. What did I do wrong?

RB
35s5
NY

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First off... a Dory is only a maximum of 22 ft long and won't remain
upside
down in the water.


Dory is a brand, Mooron.

Secondly.. if you hit a dory with a trawler... the dory would be in
splinters.

Depends how it was hit.


Plus..... nobody would commercial fish out of the LIS.


Who said anything about commercial fishing?


Look Bob... if you are going to go into accident scenarios to spur
debate.... at least make it a bit more realistic.

Why?


Keep in mind that
commercial craft are heavily


What commercial craft???


RB

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On 2 Sep 2006 01:56:01 -0700, "Capt. Rob"
scribbled thusly:

Heart of Gold collides with a have sunk and capsized fishing dory at
aproximately 10:15 PM Thursday Evening. 30-40 minutes earlier, the dory
had been struck by a large motor yacht, probably a trawler. The trawler
did not stop. Additional details are as follows:

1) A proper watch in this case would have required me to stand at the
bow, not something done while passing stepping stone alone at night.
Rubbish.
There are often a few fishing boats there, but I was not in the strip
where they anchor. It was dark, there was chop and the underside of the
capsized vessel was red. Essentially black on black and I'm surprised I
could see it at all in the final moments before impact.

No, you weren't keeping a proper lookout

Correct. Doesn't matter where one is on a boat. A proper watch is a proper
watch. If going 7 kts, then slow down. Get out a spot light.


2) The victims were close enough to see (and I could easily hear one).
They were within a hundred feet of my boat. I did throw my lifering
with attached line into the water, but didn't remember doing it.
Ahh good.

3) Heart of Gold was raised and the cause of the sinking was not the
impact at the bow. The impact was pretty violent and this made the
dripless packing rubber cover fail. The surveyor at the scene also
suggested that my prop fouled hard on debris when I motored off as
there is also prop damage.

You motored with the possibility of people in the water?

Bad thing to do, except possibly if you or your boat were in danger of
sinking, since you're not required to risk your life to save another. I
take it not much wind or current, so no engine was needed to stay on
station.


4) The victim with the crushed head was not hit by my boat.
Some good news?
The initial
capsizing of the fishing rental was caused by a hit-and-run by a large
trawler that never stopped. The survivor gamely hung onto his friend,
not knowing he was dead. Afterwards he said he was moments from
drowning as he did not have a vest. The Heart of Gold impact ended up
saving his life.

5) According to the survivor, I helped him aboard via the swimplatform.
I then pulled in the lifering and threw it to his friend. When he made
no motion towards it and didn't respond to my calls, I dove in after
him. A moment later I swam back (having discovered his awful condition)
and reboarded the boat. My genoa was furled, but neither I nor the
survivor recall when I did that. I then motored back at top speed after
sending a second distress message on channel 16 and finally getting a
response. I also activated a flashing beacon on my masthead according
to the survivor, but I don't remember doing that either.

Now. What did I do wrong?

Pretty much everything....but hey, when you're panicked you do crazy
things....lucky it's a dry run eh .

First order of business is to get yourself in order, then your crew, then
your boat, then the get the people in the water. Shouldn't have left the
scene. "Finally getting a response"? Doesn't make much sense. How long was
the wait? The CG responds pretty quickly. Perhaps the response couldn't be
heard over the engine.

There is so much more...

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___What did I do wrong?------

Nutsy,

You collided with the capsized boat. You caused the collision. You were
sailing at night, which is OK and you were on deck, which was proper.

What you didn't do was to avoid the Collision. I'm 3000 miles away and
only have your account of the collision BUT; it was your duty as a
skipper to avoid the collision. You admit you heard the call of
distress. The burden was on you and your boat to avoid further damage to
the overturned boat.

Good Luck!

P/S It doesn't sound like you to be sailing in the dark, so I truly
don't believe it happened to you as you described




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

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P/S It doesn't sound like you to be sailing in the dark, so I truly
don't believe it happened to you as you described


Thom, the post was a test for certain folks here. Most failed. The
"whole proper watch" thing is a joke!!! Roughly 1/3rd of our sailing is
at night (perhaps less this year with Thomas). We keep a careful watch.
But even with some shore-light, sailing alone, most folks who ACTUALLY
DO sail at night know a collision is something that can happen to
anyone. A careful watch won't help you if something, like a damaged
boat, lies partially submerged in choppy waters at night. You'd have to
be damn lucky to spot it and not many folks are standing on their bows
with high powered spot lights at night. We sail most of the time (the
"we" being people who actually use their boats) knowing the such
dangers exist, but it's probability that really protects us. The troll
simply exposed another level of dopey inexperience and mindless
response from the so called sailors here. You can't avoid what you
can't see...and you can't see everything especially at night. The
wisest suggestion would be to never operate a boat at night...or a car
or plane for that matter.


RB
35s5
NY

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That's pretty disgusting joking about gruesome death. What
kinda man does something like this?

Ellen

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com...
|
| P/S It doesn't sound like you to be sailing in the dark, so I truly
| don't believe it happened to you as you described
|
|
| Thom, the post was a test for certain folks here. Most failed. The
| "whole proper watch" thing is a joke!!! Roughly 1/3rd of our sailing is
| at night (perhaps less this year with Thomas). We keep a careful watch.
| But even with some shore-light, sailing alone, most folks who ACTUALLY
| DO sail at night know a collision is something that can happen to
| anyone. A careful watch won't help you if something, like a damaged
| boat, lies partially submerged in choppy waters at night. You'd have to
| be damn lucky to spot it and not many folks are standing on their bows
| with high powered spot lights at night. We sail most of the time (the
| "we" being people who actually use their boats) knowing the such
| dangers exist, but it's probability that really protects us. The troll
| simply exposed another level of dopey inexperience and mindless
| response from the so called sailors here. You can't avoid what you
| can't see...and you can't see everything especially at night. The
| wisest suggestion would be to never operate a boat at night...or a car
| or plane for that matter.
|
|
| RB
| 35s5
| NY
|

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Nutsy,

Night sailing here in the NW is just about a necessity. Some of the best
sailing here is in the Winter with the "Trades" reaching us but our days
are short as Hell. Being a Sailor has the advantage of Slow Speed. The
Pilothouse with the Large Sliding Window (Can't even call them port)
given the opertunity to use a hand held "Spot Light" The same holds true
for the outside Helm

Al six Knots or under, a Sailboat can snap the "Spot" on and off. That
clears the area of a tack for several minutes and also lets others gauge
our progress and direction.

I can't tell you how many time I've have power boat wait for me at the
Entrance of Bellingham Bay and follow me in.

It is a practise I've developed here in the northwest. Back on LIS it
wasn't necessary. When day got short the boats were up on the Hard.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

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Ellen MacArthur wrote:
That's pretty disgusting joking about gruesome death. What
kinda man does something like this?

Ellen



A disqusting gruesome little man ?

Joe

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It was a completely flawed original post. A better test would be to tell us
everything that was done right, and then ask how it could be improved upon.
A negative troll, thus not worth responding to beyond your elequent post.

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On 2 Sep 2006 14:32:21 -0700, "Capt. Rob"
scribbled thusly:


P/S It doesn't sound like you to be sailing in the dark, so I truly
don't believe it happened to you as you described


Thom, the post was a test for certain folks here. Most failed. The
"whole proper watch" thing is a joke!!! Roughly 1/3rd of our sailing is
at night (perhaps less this year with Thomas). We keep a careful watch.
But even with some shore-light, sailing alone, most folks who ACTUALLY
DO sail at night know a collision is something that can happen to
anyone. A careful watch won't help you if something, like a damaged
boat, lies partially submerged in choppy waters at night. You'd have to
be damn lucky to spot it and not many folks are standing on their bows
with high powered spot lights at night. We sail most of the time (the
"we" being people who actually use their boats) knowing the such
dangers exist, but it's probability that really protects us. The troll
simply exposed another level of dopey inexperience and mindless
response from the so called sailors here. You can't avoid what you
can't see...and you can't see everything especially at night. The
wisest suggestion would be to never operate a boat at night...or a car
or plane for that matter.


RB
35s5
NY

Spoken like someone who has done little if any sailing or even
motoring at night......Sorry Bob, you have failed miserably to show
that any of the responses here were not proper and indeed by your
reply above, have shown that you have little clue nor experience in
either night sailing nor emergency response.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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Spoken like someone who has done little if any sailing or even
motoring at night......Sorry Bob


Sorry, Ozzy. But anyone who spoke of "keeping a proper watch" on the
LIS in the conditions I described is a fool.
Absolutely no one sails with a high power spotlight blaring off the bow
at night in such a fashion that they could avoid such an accident. NO
ONE. And certainly not singlehanding. We have sailing vessels from all
over the world passing through the LIS at night and I've rarely, IF
EVER, saw one with a big light shining off the bow looking for
semi-submerged objects.
I've exposed the so-called sailors here once again.


No, really, I have.



RB
35s5
NY

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Sorry to disagree Oz, but even at anchor a proper watch is important. :-)

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On 2 Sep 2006 18:15:14 -0700, "Capt. Rob"
scribbled thusly:


Spoken like someone who has done little if any sailing or even
motoring at night......Sorry Bob


Sorry, Ozzy. But anyone who spoke of "keeping a proper watch" on the
LIS in the conditions I described is a fool.

Bob, If you're not keeping a proper watch.....you should be at anchor!

Absolutely no one sails with a high power spotlight blaring off the bow
at night in such a fashion that they could avoid such an accident. NO
ONE.

Tell me Bob, what is it that makes you think keeping a proper watch
has anything to do with high poweed spotlights?


And certainly not singlehanding. We have sailing vessels from all
over the world passing through the LIS at night and I've rarely, IF
EVER, saw one with a big light shining off the bow looking for
semi-submerged objects.

There ya go....they must know more than you appear to...

I've exposed the so-called sailors here once again.

No Bob, you've once again shown that you have a great deal to learn.
but don't worrry...you are learning.

What you need now is to get off your boat and hook up with someone who
has the experience to mentor you.





Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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What you need now is to get off your boat and hook up with someone who
has the experience to mentor you.



Actually, Ozzy....this little troll arouse out of a discussion with a
42 year cruising veteran while sailing his Tartan 37 last week at
night. He had owned a Cape Dory 33 that collided with a half sunk
finger pier that had broken off somewhere...caught some serious damage.
Sailing at night and alone, there was very little he could have done to
avoid it, UNLESS he was standing on the sprit with a 30'000 watt light!
People sail at night. You can't see everything in the water at night
and sometimes there are accidents. And that's that.
Troll's over, Ozzy. Sorry you were a casuality.

Going sailing today...if we get some wind!


RB
35s5
NY

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message
reenews.ne
t...

That's pretty disgusting joking about gruesome death. What
kinda man does something like this?

A stupid one with no class.

Scotty

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Bob is still alive.

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"Scotty" wrote in message . ..
|
| "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
| message
| reenews.ne
| t...
|
| That's pretty disgusting joking about gruesome death. What
| kinda man does something like this?
|
| A stupid one with no class.
|
| Scotty

For sure, a stupid ass.

Cheers,
Ellen

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

What you need now is to get off your boat and hook up with someone who
has the experience to mentor you.



Actually, Ozzy....this little troll arouse out of a discussion with a
42 year cruising veteran while sailing his Tartan 37 last week at
night. He had owned a Cape Dory 33 that collided with a half sunk
finger pier that had broken off somewhere...caught some serious damage.
Sailing at night and alone, there was very little he could have done to
avoid it, UNLESS he was standing on the sprit with a 30'000 watt light!
People sail at night. You can't see everything in the water at night
and sometimes there are accidents. And that's that.
Troll's over, Ozzy. Sorry you were a casuality.

Going sailing today...if we get some wind!


RB
35s5
NY


There is a relatively inexpensive sonar system that can detect such things.
It is used primarily to detect swimmers (sabateours) around naval vessels.

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"Krusty Morgan" wrote in

It was a half moon on August 31st when you had your
imaginary collision.

I was also quite surprised that you were standing on the
cabin top and struck an
object while you were going 7 knots, and you were not
thrown off the boat. NO
mention of PFD or being tied in? You were single handing
at night without a PFD
and tether?

When you heard screaming and felt it neccesary to climb
onto the cabin top to
investigate, why were you still going full speed?

There were errors in almost every sentence you wrote. NOt
just errors of what
you did wrong, but errors that made the whole account
suspect.


the account is suspect?? hoo boy, what an idiot!
Way to keep up there, asswipe.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Sorry to disagree Oz, but even at anchor a proper watch is important. :-)

Oh good Grief you even sail like a Gaylord!!!!!

Proper watch at anchor...Bwhahahahahahahaahaaaaa!!!

CM-

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OzOne wrote in message

Bob, If you're not keeping a proper watch.....you should be at anchor!

I doubt Bob comprehends the basic abilities of his electronic navigation
instruments. My radar can and has picked up a 5 gallon bucket at 200 meters.
Even deadheads or other floating obtructions can occur at night. This fact
is paramount to keep in mind when night sailing. Often times it's not
mandatory to maintain a phyisical presence at the bow. Just an occasional
look out and use of wide diameter binoculars to aid in light collection can
be of great value. Knowing where you are and where other vessels are in
relation to your position is mandatory. This can only be accomplished with
radar and monitoring the radio as well as a manned look-out.

I cannot understand why anyone would have taken Bob's "scenario" as anything
more than an excercise to spur debate. Everyone knows his lack of skill with
navigation. He has claimed so himself. Everyone knows he never sails at
night... [ever since he got lost and confused at a well lit harbour
enterence one dark and dreary evening.] The obvious telltale was that he
made himself the "hero" in this scenario. [Nevermind that no mention of such
an incident had ever been reported]

You folks need to lighten up a little....... you wasted an obvious chance
to render a sound thrashing to Capt Rob due to some unreasoned thinking that
this post had any truth to it at all. He's hooked the bunch of you once
again with little to no effort. Ozone saw right through it.... so did I.


..... and Bob.... a fricken Dory is a "Type" of boat that some dickweed
decided to use for a brand in your region. If you don't explain the type of
vessel and use a brand name instead.... it's just poor formulation.
Secondly.... a "Trawler" is a fishing vessel. Despite the name being used to
describe a type of live-aboard cruising yacht design.... if you claim a
vessel was hit by a trawler it would be taken to be fishing boat by anyone
with any sea experience. If you claim that the vessel which was hit was a
"Dory"... that would indicate it to be a wooden rowing boat used by
fishermen off the Grand Banks! Maybe you should have stated a sailboat was
hit by a large motorboat.

I spent the weekend sailing the South Western shore. No sounder no compass
no GPS. All line of site and the winds were excellent. Overproof performed
really well. We had a wonderful overnighter on the hook behind Zwicker's
Island. I'll try and load up some photos I took with the Nikon D200. [Yes
Bob... I take my camera out sailing with me.]

Anyway.... I'm back to work today. I have a long drive to Cape Breton. Once
again working at Cape Breton Highlands National Park. It's turning to fall
and the leaves should provide me some amazing colour for photography.

Later All

CM

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Poor Mooron... what happened? Got thrown off another account, so you have to
use someone else's? Why don't you blame me again. You're really quite
pathetic.

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"silverback" wrote in message
news:hCXKg.6361$Hr1.5571@clgrps12...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Sorry to disagree Oz, but even at anchor a proper watch is important. :-)

Oh good Grief you even sail like a Gaylord!!!!!

Proper watch at anchor...Bwhahahahahahahaahaaaaa!!!

CM-

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"silverback" wrote in message
news:m2YKg.6942$Hr1.4424@clgrps12...



I cannot understand why anyone would have taken Bob's
"scenario" as anything
more than an excercise to spur debate. Everyone knows his
lack of skill with
navigation. He has claimed so himself. Everyone knows he
never sails at
night... [ever since he got lost and confused at a well
lit harbour
enterence one dark and dreary evening.] The obvious
telltale was that he
made himself the "hero" in this scenario. [Nevermind that
no mention of such
an incident had ever been reported]

You folks need to lighten up a little....... you wasted
an obvious chance
to render a sound thrashing to Capt Rob due to some
unreasoned thinking that
this post had any truth to it at all. He's hooked the
bunch of you once
again with little to no effort. Ozone saw right through
it.... so did I.




i dion't think anyone here, besides the newbie, believed any
of it from the git go.




Anyway.... I'm back to work today. I have a long drive to
Cape Breton. Once
again working at Cape Breton Highlands National Park. It's
turning to fall
and the leaves should provide me some amazing colour for
photography.


Why are you working on a holiday?

Scotty

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He had me fooled.


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 3 Sep 2006 07:10:45 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:


What you need now is to get off your boat and hook up with someone who
has the experience to mentor you.



Actually, Ozzy....this little troll arouse out of a discussion with a
42 year cruising veteran while sailing his Tartan 37 last week at
night. He had owned a Cape Dory 33 that collided with a half sunk
finger pier that had broken off somewhere...caught some serious damage.
Sailing at night and alone, there was very little he could have done to
avoid it, UNLESS he was standing on the sprit with a 30'000 watt light!


It was a half moon on August 31st when you had your imaginary collision.

I was also quite surprised that you were standing on the cabin top and
struck an
object while you were going 7 knots, and you were not thrown off the boat.
NO
mention of PFD or being tied in? You were single handing at night without
a PFD
and tether?

When you heard screaming and felt it neccesary to climb onto the cabin top
to
investigate, why were you still going full speed?

There were errors in almost every sentence you wrote. NOt just errors of
what
you did wrong, but errors that made the whole account suspect.

CWM

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I doubt Bob comprehends the basic abilities of his electronic
navigation
instruments.

I get plenty of use out of the Ipod!


My radar can and has picked up a 5 gallon bucket at 200 meters.


My radar is still in the closet (like Ganzy) and I can't tell you how
many boats were lost this season to bucket impacts.


I cannot understand why anyone would have taken Bob's "scenario" as
anything
more than an excercise to spur debate.


Because they're my bitches?


Everyone knows his lack of skill with
navigation. He has claimed so himself. Everyone knows he never sails at

night

Not true. I just don't bother to take many pics of our night sails. We
usually start our sails late in the day and return after dark most of
the time.

... [ever since he got lost and confused at a well lit harbour
enterence one dark and dreary evening.]

Wow....well lit AND dark and dreary. That's the same harbor the NE
Cruising guide warns is tricky at night, folks.


The obvious telltale was that he
made himself the "hero" in this scenario.


Now you're thinking!!!


You folks need to lighten up a little.......


Now that IS funny!


you wasted an obvious chance
to render a sound thrashing to Capt Rob due to some unreasoned thinking
that
this post had any truth to it at all.


Amazing though, hmmmm?

He's hooked the bunch of you once
again with little to no effort. Ozone saw right through it.... so did
I.


But you always get jelous and take the bait anyway, Mooron.


.... and Bob.... a fricken Dory is a "Type" of boat that some
dickweed
decided to use for a brand in your region.


There is no "brand" Dory that I know of accept Cape Dory. I made that
up.


If you don't explain the type of
vessel and use a brand name instead.... it's just poor formulation.


Which is the barb on the hook.


Maybe you should have stated a sailboat was
hit by a large motorboat.


Vas ya dere, Charlie?


I spent the weekend sailing the South Western shore. No sounder no
compass
no GPS.

Blew the budget on that camera, eh?

Overproof performed
really well.

Uhhh...okay. That's nice.


I'll try and load up some photos I took with the Nikon D200. [Yes
Bob... I take my camera out sailing with me.]

The D200 has weather sealing, but in anything but calm weather, it's
best to swap lenses below or in a bag. You might also invest in a
Pelican case for it so it's moisture levels are typically constant.
Should you strike a Dory being towed by a trawler, it'll also float!

And you thought I'd never answer your post!


RB
35s5
NY

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Bob, no one who has ever actually been to Port Jeff at night would
call it
tricky.


Sorry to disagree, but we came into port Jeff on a stormy night. The
angle of entrance can be hard to judge, especially if you're coming
from the East and wasn't there before. One of the ladies I sail with
took her Bristol 30 there two weeks ago and also made a pass before she
worked out the entrance. Each light is on the tip of a long slender bit
of land that can be invisible at night. We couldn't see them at all
that night. The NE Cruising guide makes comments, such as the one about
Port Jeff at night, based on many comments from folks who sail the
area. Obviously a few people thought it worthwhile to take care at the
entrance. You also need to watch for considerable traffic (and the
ferry) at times.
After we made our pass and observed the deal on the radar as well, we
entered with no problem. I wouldn't describe our entering of Port Jeff
as problematic. At night it's best to be sure before entering a new
area. If Mooron thinks otherwise that's fine. He can sail his boat
(rarely) as he pleases.


RB
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Come on Charlie, it was a dark and stormy night... :-)

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On 6 Sep 2006 05:52:48 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:


Bob, no one who has ever actually been to Port Jeff at night would
call it
tricky.


Sorry to disagree, but we came into port Jeff on a stormy night. The
angle of entrance can be hard to judge, especially if you're coming
from the East and wasn't there before. One of the ladies I sail with
took her Bristol 30 there two weeks ago and also made a pass before she
worked out the entrance. Each light is on the tip of a long slender bit
of land that can be invisible at night. We couldn't see them at all
that night. The NE Cruising guide makes comments, such as the one about
Port Jeff at night, based on many comments from folks who sail the
area. Obviously a few people thought it worthwhile to take care at the
entrance. You also need to watch for considerable traffic (and the
ferry) at times.
After we made our pass and observed the deal on the radar as well, we
entered with no problem. I wouldn't describe our entering of Port Jeff
as problematic. At night it's best to be sure before entering a new
area. If Mooron thinks otherwise that's fine. He can sail his boat
(rarely) as he pleases.


RB
35s5
NY

Your original story said nothing about being stormy, but did say it
was something like 2 in the morning. Not much traffic at that hour!
Ferries stop running at 9 PM in the summer, and it is still light out
at that time.

You also said you sailed back and forth several times trying to figure
it out. Once again, it's a well marked, well lit approach. There's
really nothing tricky about it if you had a chart. There are a set of
red and green flashing buoy's outside, (the red is also a bell) ,
followed by very substantial flashing towers (30 footers!) marking the
actual opening. It's like an illuminated runway at the airport
welcoming you. The smoke stacks with red flashers at the head are
another obvious reference point for figuring out your position. On a
clear summer night, you can see them from New Haven Harbor quite
easily. :')


CWM

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Your original story said nothing about being stormy,


It was. In fact we skirted T-storms the whole way and the entrance was
very choppy.


but did say it
was something like 2 in the morning.


Yup, very late and we were very tired.

Not much traffic at that hour!

Actually there was a quite a bit of traffic as we went through.

Ferries stop running at 9 PM in the summer, and it is still light
out
at that time.

The ferry was sleeping.

You also said you sailed back and forth several times trying to
figure
it out.

I sail past the entrance, the came back around, overshot it a bit and
went through. Technically I guess that's several times.

Once again, it's a well marked, well lit approach.

It was very dark. Our C&C was bouncing around in the chop. We were
tired. We wanted to be safe. We were.

There's
really nothing tricky about it if you had a chart.

We had charts, GPS and radar.

There are a set of
red and green flashing buoy's outside, (the red is also a bell)

Yep,


followed by very substantial flashing towers (30 footers!) marking
the
actual opening.

They were not operating at the time. Let me know if they are now.


he smoke stacks with red flashers at the head are
another obvious reference point for figuring out your position.

Yep.

On a
clear summer night, you can see them from New Haven Harbor quite
easily. :')

It was quite clear the next morning.



RB
35s5
NY