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RogueIT wrote:
So I can tie a bowline and a figure 8 but I am not sure what their
primary
uses are on a boat.

Most people never stop and realize that a knot is a tool. Knots help
you do things just like that open end wrence or hack saw.

The problem is that most yachat types look at a book with knots but
never ask what you have asked... what good are these things. How can I
use these knots to make my day/job easier.


1. can anyone tell me what they are used for?

2. what other knots should I know and why are these knots use

Thanks,
Scott

Just do not go around tying nots for display on the typical "knot
board"

Use them as a tool and make your day easier. Go to a boy scout jamboree
and see what they do.

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Well, while I agree, I also know that if you don't practice, you'll never be
able to use them when you need them.

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"Bob" wrote in message
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RogueIT wrote:
So I can tie a bowline and a figure 8 but I am not sure what their
primary
uses are on a boat.

Most people never stop and realize that a knot is a tool. Knots help
you do things just like that open end wrence or hack saw.

The problem is that most yachat types look at a book with knots but
never ask what you have asked... what good are these things. How can I
use these knots to make my day/job easier.


1. can anyone tell me what they are used for?

2. what other knots should I know and why are these knots use

Thanks,
Scott

Just do not go around tying nots for display on the typical "knot
board"

Use them as a tool and make your day easier. Go to a boy scout jamboree
and see what they do.

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I've never heard of a rolling hitch called a stopper knot. Stopper knots are
usually associated with preventing a line from going through something, such
as a fairlead.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On 31 Aug 2006 17:42:43 -0700, "RogueIT" said:

2. what other knots should I know and why are these knots used?

Rolling hitch--also sometimes called a stopper knot. Useful where you need
to be able to adjust the length of a loop under strain, Primary use on
larger ships is to take the strain on a line such as a mooring line while
the line is removed from a winch.

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Dave wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 17:42:43 -0700, "RogueIT" said:

2. what other knots should I know and why are these knots used?

Rolling hitch--also sometimes called a stopper knot. Useful where you need
to be able to adjust the length of a loop under strain, Primary use on
larger ships is to take the strain on a line such as a mooring line while
the line is removed from a winch.

The rolling hitch (with minor variations) is sometimes called the
tautline hitch, the midshipman's knot, the tentstake knot, the magnus
knot, or the jam hitch.

When tied around a pole or log, it is usually called a rolling hitch,
or magnus knot. When tied "upside down" so that the finishing
halfhitch is on the inside, it is called a jam hitch and is used to
cinch up rolls of paper or cloth. The version I use whenever rigging
an anchor bridle (and for many other purposes) has the second turn
crossed over the first, and is referred to as a midshipman's knot.

It is never caller a "stopper knot." That term is used today for
knots like the figure-eight or stevedore's knot that is tied on the
end of running rigging to prevent unreeving.

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Dave wrote:


Guess you didn't spend time in the Navy.

I never heard it called anything else until I came across it in a book. It
was called a stopper knot because it's used to "pass a stopper" when you
need to take a line under load to another location. The line carrying the
load while the line is being shifted is called a stopper, and was generally
made up by separating the three strands and braiding them, taking a few
strands out with each braid to create a taper to the tail.


Agreed, I use the stopper knot as I would a peliSo can hook. A way to
hold another line/chain...... or stop it from runing.

names of knots and other stuff was, long ago, very dependent on
geographical location or industry. While a logger adn a commercial
fisherman used the same knots neither knew what the other was talking
about.


can anyone tell me the definition of a "red dog?"

Bob



Bob

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Nope... never in the Navy. Thanks for the explanation.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 10:58:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

I've never heard of a rolling hitch called a stopper knot. Stopper knots
are
usually associated with preventing a line from going through something,
such
as a fairlead.

Guess you didn't spend time in the Navy.

I never heard it called anything else until I came across it in a book. It
was called a stopper knot because it's used to "pass a stopper" when you
need to take a line under load to another location. The line carrying the
load while the line is being shifted is called a stopper, and was
generally
made up by separating the three strands and braiding them, taking a few
strands out with each braid to create a taper to the tail.

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There's also the monkey fist, but I don't like it much.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 17:42:43 -0700, "RogueIT"
said:

2. what other knots should I know and why are these knots used?

Rolling hitch--also sometimes called a stopper knot. Useful where you
need
to be able to adjust the length of a loop under strain, Primary use on
larger ships is to take the strain on a line such as a mooring line while
the line is removed from a winch.

The rolling hitch (with minor variations) is sometimes called the tautline
hitch, the midshipman's knot, the tentstake knot, the magnus knot, or the
jam hitch.

When tied around a pole or log, it is usually called a rolling hitch, or
magnus knot. When tied "upside down" so that the finishing halfhitch is
on the inside, it is called a jam hitch and is used to cinch up rolls of
paper or cloth. The version I use whenever rigging an anchor bridle (and
for many other purposes) has the second turn crossed over the first, and
is referred to as a midshipman's knot.

It is never caller a "stopper knot." That term is used today for knots
like the figure-eight or stevedore's knot that is tied on the end of
running rigging to prevent unreeving.

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"Bob" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:



can anyone tell me the definition of a "red dog?"


No. Can you tie a ''dog knot''?

SV

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"Dave" wrote in message ...
| On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:47:45 -0400, Jeff said:
|
| It is never caller a "stopper knot." That term is used today for
| knots like the figure-eight or stevedore's knot that is tied on the
| end of running rigging to prevent unreeving.
|
| Sorry, Jeff, but you're just plain wrong on that one. Among my billets
| during my tour of duty was Deck Officer. I can assure you that the BMC
| called it a stopper knot, and every deck hand knew what kind of a knot the
| chief wanted. And it wasn't a figure 8.
|
| I agree that it's a somewhat confusing name for the knot, and this usage may
| be limited to a small group, such as ASR deck hands. So if you're a
| prescriptivist (and usually I am) you'd say the name is incorrect. If you're
| a descriptivist you'd say it's correct but with limited usage.


Errr, could you please speak English?

Cheers,
Ellen

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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:47:45 -0400, Jeff said:

It is never caller a "stopper knot." That term is used today for
knots like the figure-eight or stevedore's knot that is tied on the
end of running rigging to prevent unreeving.

Sorry, Jeff, but you're just plain wrong on that one. Among my billets
during my tour of duty was Deck Officer. I can assure you that the BMC
called it a stopper knot, and every deck hand knew what kind of a knot the
chief wanted. And it wasn't a figure 8.

Well, I can't argue with the possibility that there are other usages
of the term, but virtually everyone I've sailed with, and every
reference I've seen would consider a stopper knot to be represented by
a figure eight.


I agree that it's a somewhat confusing name for the knot, and this usage may
be limited to a small group, such as ASR deck hands. So if you're a
prescriptivist (and usually I am) you'd say the name is incorrect. If you're
a descriptivist you'd say it's correct but with limited usage.

I have no objection to the descriptivist approach, as long as esoteric
usage is so identified, especially when it is a usage quite different
from the prescriptive, or common usage.