Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

As the "former" OWNER of a 1986 Seaward, I can tell you that the build
quality is above average. They are known as the "Big Little Boats".
They
also sail quite well in a wide range of conditions. They are not
advertised as racer/cruisers, but they are not slugs, either. Let Doug
do a review of the build quality of a Sundowner 36 compared to a
similar
sized Nordic Tug, or Grand Banks.

Seawards are indeed a niche boat, as you say. They are for people who
want a
trailer-sailer with more than spartan "camping" accommodations. They
not
only trailer easily, but they can also be run right up to the beach. If

you want to go a bit larger and forget the trailering aspect, you would

logically be looking at a Southerly.

http://sailmag.com/boatreviews/Southerly110/

By the way, someone drove to """"" from Michigan to buy my Seaward
for the full asking price and tow it home. I had two other people
standing by, waiting for a phone call to come buy it if the folks from
Michigan decided against it. One even tried to get me to accept a
higher
offer to tell the Michigan party to stay home. It's ALWAYS a sellers
market for Seawards. One can only imagine what Doug's motives might be
for even hinting that Seawards are less than well built.
I'm staying out of this, though you'll probably post this. Leave me out
of it otherwise!



RB
35s5
NY

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
As the "former" OWNER of a 1986 Seaward, I can tell you that the build
quality is above average. They are known as the "Big Little Boats".

By whom?

They
also sail quite well in a wide range of conditions. They are not
advertised as racer/cruisers, but they are not slugs, either. Let Doug
do a review of the build quality of a Sundowner 36 compared to a
similar
sized Nordic Tug, or Grand Banks.


What makes you think I haven't?

Seawards are indeed a niche boat, as you say. They are for people who
want a
trailer-sailer with more than spartan "camping" accommodations. They
not
only trailer easily, but they can also be run right up to the beach. If

you want to go a bit larger and forget the trailering aspect, you would

logically be looking at a Southerly.

http://sailmag.com/boatreviews/Southerly110/


Thanks, I have already seen several Southerly boats. English
built, quite nice centerboarders.

By the way, someone drove to """"" from Michigan to buy my Seaward
for the full asking price and tow it home. ..... It's ALWAYS a sellers
market for Seawards.


I wonder why there are 5 or 6 around on the various
'for-sale' web pages that have been awaiting a buyer for months.



..... One can only imagine what Doug's motives might be
for even hinting that Seawards are less than well built.

Did I make any hints? All I have said is that one should
take a close look for oneself.


I'm staying out of this, though you'll probably post this.

In other words, Bubbles made this up.

DSK

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

Oh, and while Doug tries to dig himself out of a pile of his own horse
****, Good Old Boat reviewed the Seaward 22 last November at gave it a
good review, noting that it's a "little ship" and commented favorably
on it's build quality.
But, hey, that doesn't mean anything either. I don't think Gregg Nestor
was around to see one put together!


RB
35s5
NY

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
Oh, and while Doug tries to dig himself out of a pile of his own horse
****, Good Old Boat reviewed the Seaward 22 last November at gave it a
good review, noting that it's a "little ship" and commented favorably
on it's build quality.

A magazine review certainly trumps personal inspection,
doesn't it Bubbles.

It's one of those things where seeing can't possibly be
believing.

DSK

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

A magazine review certainly trumps personal inspection,
doesn't it Bubbles.


Did you read the article, Doug? Are you familiar with the reviewer?
Doug, why not just come out and say it: Doug King only believes what he
wants to believe in the face of any other opinions, even when Doug King
knows almost nothing about a given topic. You are truly the height of
"hot air."


I wonder why there are 5 or 6 around on the various
'for-sale' web pages that have been awaiting a buyer for months.


5 or 6? Is that for the whole world, or just a particular hemisphere?
Holy cow! Are you sure? Bwhahahahaha!


I'd like to point out that...

1) Doug has yet to offer ANY first hand info on the Seawards. I think
he actually knows and agrees with me that they are solid little boats,
but it KILLS him to agree with me. This why he often posts the same
comments I make moments after I do.
2) Doug lied when he said that I suggested using ads to quantify build
quality.
3) Doug suggested (seriously) that you need to own or be planning to
own a boat to have an opinion on it! Seriously!!!


King of Keels = full of a LOT of crap and hot air!



RB
35s5
NY

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

A magazine review certainly trumps personal inspection,
doesn't it Bubbles.



"Capt" Rob wrote:
Did you read the article, Doug?

Nope, I don't care a thing about it.


Doug, why not just come out and say it: Doug King only believes what he
wants to believe in the face of any other opinions

I believe my eyes in the face of other opinions, especially
internet BS.

even when Doug King
knows almost nothing about a given topic

When the topic is boat construction? Sure, Bubbles.



I wonder why there are 5 or 6 around on the various
'for-sale' web pages that have been awaiting a buyer for months.


5 or 6? Is that for the whole world, or just a particular hemisphere?
Holy cow! Are you sure? Bwhahahahaha!


Looks like we'll have to wait longer for an intelligent
comment from Bubbles on an easily observable fact.


I'd like to point out that...

1) Doug has yet to offer ANY first hand info on the Seawards.

Nobody who matters has asked me.

.... I think
he actually knows and agrees with me that they are solid little boats

Actually I do know, and no I don't agree.



but it KILLS him to agree with me. This why he often posts the same
comments I make moments after I do.

Please cite ONE instance of this happening.


2) Doug lied when he said that I suggested using ads to quantify build
quality.

???


3) Doug suggested (seriously) that you need to own or be planning to
own a boat to have an opinion on it! Seriously!!!


Not even close. Go back and read what I posted, again.



King of Keels = full of a LOT of crap and hot air!



That's what you see when you look at the world thru crap
colored glasses.

DSK

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

Does a 1986 Seaward have the fully retractable vertical keel?

I thought most of the larger models of that year had fixed keels.

What 1986 model are you speaking of and how does that relate to a recent
magazine review? Did the magazine review the 1986 model?

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

Gilligan wrote:
Does a 1986 Seaward have the fully retractable vertical keel?


No, AFAIK they have only built two lifting keel models, the
26 (which is a 25 with a fancier stern and lifting bulb
keel) and the 32.


I thought most of the larger models of that year had fixed keels.


Up thru some time in the middle 1980's they used
keel-centerboards, then decided nobody liked or used the
centerboard.


What 1986 model are you speaking of and how does that relate to a recent
magazine review? Did the magazine review the 1986 model?


Are you hoping to get some sense out of Bubbles?

DSK

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...

What 1986 model are you speaking of and how does that relate to a recent
magazine review? Did the magazine review the 1986 model?


Are you hoping to get some sense out of Bubbles?


His trolling recipe is the same no matter what.

The antidote is quite simple.

He can never defeat logic and facts.

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

An example of an insightful post by one of the more intelligent, knowledgeable and
experienced men here.

Three cheers to Capt. Rob!

Paladin


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...
| As the "former" OWNER of a 1986 Seaward, I can tell you that the build
| quality is above average. They are known as the "Big Little Boats".
| They
| also sail quite well in a wide range of conditions. They are not
| advertised as racer/cruisers, but they are not slugs, either. Let Doug
| do a review of the build quality of a Sundowner 36 compared to a
| similar
| sized Nordic Tug, or Grand Banks.
|
| Seawards are indeed a niche boat, as you say. They are for people who
| want a
| trailer-sailer with more than spartan "camping" accommodations. They
| not
| only trailer easily, but they can also be run right up to the beach. If
|
| you want to go a bit larger and forget the trailering aspect, you would
|
| logically be looking at a Southerly.
|
| http://sailmag.com/boatreviews/Southerly110/
|
| By the way, someone drove to """"" from Michigan to buy my Seaward
| for the full asking price and tow it home. I had two other people
| standing by, waiting for a phone call to come buy it if the folks from
| Michigan decided against it. One even tried to get me to accept a
| higher
| offer to tell the Michigan party to stay home. It's ALWAYS a sellers
| market for Seawards. One can only imagine what Doug's motives might be
| for even hinting that Seawards are less than well built.
| I'm staying out of this, though you'll probably post this. Leave me out
| of it otherwise!
|
|
|
| RB
| 35s5
| NY
|

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Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

He can never defeat logic and facts.




Uh...and the facts presented by Doug were what, Gilly???
Hmmmm?

For anyone who has serious interest in the Seaward line, which IS in
fact regarded as a well built little boat, they can visit this site:

http://home.att.net/~seaward25/articles.htm

According to Doug, none of this info matters, but I don't think many
people would ignore it. Of course the Seaward is no Hunter 19!!!!

What a laugh....you poor sods were here yapping while I was sailing in
the rain. Will you ever be men?



RB
35s5
NY

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

Are you hoping to get some sense out of Bubbles?



Gilligan wrote:
His trolling recipe is the same no matter what.


True. Better off ignoring him.


The antidote is quite simple.

He can never defeat logic and facts.



"A DUCK!!"


DSK

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

Who is this dweeb DSK? What an obvious wannabe... Maybe he should
post to a motorboat newsgroup instead. It's pretty obvious he knows
little or nothing about sailing.

Paladin


"DSK" wrote in message ...
| "Capt" Rob wrote:
| As the "former" OWNER of a 1986 Seaward, I can tell you that the build
| quality is above average. They are known as the "Big Little Boats".
|
| By whom?
|
| They
| also sail quite well in a wide range of conditions. They are not
| advertised as racer/cruisers, but they are not slugs, either. Let Doug
| do a review of the build quality of a Sundowner 36 compared to a
| similar
| sized Nordic Tug, or Grand Banks.
|
|
| What makes you think I haven't?
|
| Seawards are indeed a niche boat, as you say. They are for people who
| want a
| trailer-sailer with more than spartan "camping" accommodations. They
| not
| only trailer easily, but they can also be run right up to the beach. If
|
| you want to go a bit larger and forget the trailering aspect, you would
|
| logically be looking at a Southerly.
|
| http://sailmag.com/boatreviews/Southerly110/
|
|
| Thanks, I have already seen several Southerly boats. English
| built, quite nice centerboarders.
|
| By the way, someone drove to """"" from Michigan to buy my Seaward
| for the full asking price and tow it home. ..... It's ALWAYS a sellers
| market for Seawards.
|
|
| I wonder why there are 5 or 6 around on the various
| 'for-sale' web pages that have been awaiting a buyer for months.
|
|
|
| ..... One can only imagine what Doug's motives might be
| for even hinting that Seawards are less than well built.
|
| Did I make any hints? All I have said is that one should
| take a close look for oneself.
|
|
| I'm staying out of this, though you'll probably post this.
|
| In other words, Bubbles made this up.
|
| DSK
|

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Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...
|A magazine review certainly trumps personal inspection,
| doesn't it Bubbles.
|
|
| Did you read the article, Doug? Are you familiar with the reviewer?
| Doug, why not just come out and say it: Doug King only believes what he
| wants to believe in the face of any other opinions, even when Doug King
| knows almost nothing about a given topic. You are truly the height of
| "hot air."


Hear, hear! Another insightful post from the leader of the pack.

What energy! What stamina! Keep dishing out the beatings Captain!
I enjoy reading your posts that demonstrate your obvious superior
grasp of sailing and unexcelled first-hand knowledge of sailboats
large and small.

Paladin

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Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

Something you will never be able to do, even though you advise everyone
else
that it's the smart thing to do!



I can put Doug, Gilly or pretty much anyone here through hoops simply
because they CAN'T ignore me. My trolls are too sweet, to funny and
just too damn clever.

So it is, so it shall always be.

RB
35s5
NY

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com...
|
| Something you will never be able to do, even though you advise everyone
| else
| that it's the smart thing to do!
|
|
|
| I can put Doug, Gilly or pretty much anyone here through hoops simply
| because they CAN'T ignore me. My trolls are too sweet, to funny and
| just too damn clever.
|
| So it is, so it shall always be.

But, I wonder how hooking up such a bunch of losers can be much fun
considering they're the bottom rung of the boarding ladder...

Paladin

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Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

But, I wonder how hooking up such a bunch of losers can be much fun
considering they're the bottom rung of the boarding ladder...



There are some real sailors here....

Jeff, though he sails a Cat, actually takes long trips. Mooron
certainly uses his Nordica. Ozzy's health is troubled, but he gets out
there otherwise. I tease John Cairns about his Catalina 28, but he's
clearly out there having fun. Old Thom retired from sailing and made
excellent use of his Capital Yachts PH boat. Scotty, up until this
season, cruised his little 30 footer plenty. I hope he doesn't give up
on sailing. I really have no idea if Sloco sails, but I sure as hell
know that Doug doesn't. In fact the only boat Doug ever had appeared to
be some toy boats and a Hunter 19. How anyone could own a Hunter 19 is
simply a question for an old parrot somewhere. A Seaward sure looks
nicer to my eyes.
But as my surveyor friends are fond of saying, there's always one
asshole in every yard that thinks he knows more than they do. That
"asshole" will give out bad advice and care not if it's true or not or
applicable. He just needs to hear himself pontificate. Doug fits that
to a T, even if he doesn't know it. I actually think he responds to my
silly posts because he does know it...and he knows that I know it...and
he can't stand it.
Ah, well. We're planning on sailing most of the week and next weekend.
I hope most of you can get out there. August was an awesome sailing
month on the Long Island Sound.


RB
35s5
NY

Owner's Comment on Doug and Seaward
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com...
|
| But, I wonder how hooking up such a bunch of losers can be much fun
| considering they're the bottom rung of the boarding ladder...
|
|
|
| There are some real sailors here....

Thanks for filling me in...

|
| Jeff, though he sails a Cat, actually takes long trips.

Nothing at all wrong with a wellfound cat. They're making some
fine designs these days.

| Mooron
| certainly uses his Nordica.

Stout vessel but on the slow side. Good for those who value safety over
fast passagemaking.

| Ozzy's health is troubled, but he gets out
| there otherwise.

Probably the health thing is his own fault. I bet the bloke smokes
cigarettes, drinks hard liquour and womanizes.

| I tease John Cairns about his Catalina 28, but he's
| clearly out there having fun.

Good little boat. Not anything to cross oceans with but for
week-ending and coastal cruising it'll do.

| Old Thom retired from sailing and made
| excellent use of his Capital Yachts PH boat.

About as sorry a boat as DSK's trawler but Doug's trawler
sails faster with the riding sail up and drawing. Folks who no
longer sail really have little business posting here.

| Scotty, up until this
| season, cruised his little 30 footer plenty. I hope he doesn't give up
| on sailing.

Probably will give it up. His boat was certainly uninspiring. I hear tell
it was a Seidelmann (sp?) But, then again, what does any dumb hillbilly
truck driver know about sailboats?

| I really have no idea if Sloco sails, but I sure as hell
| know that Doug doesn't.

Sloco who?

| In fact the only boat Doug ever had appeared to
| be some toy boats and a Hunter 19. How anyone could own a Hunter 19 is
| simply a question for an old parrot somewhere. A Seaward sure looks
| nicer to my eyes.

Right you are. A Hunter of any size is a cheap entry-level boat
at best.

| But as my surveyor friends are fond of saying, there's always one
| asshole in every yard that thinks he knows more than they do. That
| "asshole" will give out bad advice and care not if it's true or not or
| applicable. He just needs to hear himself pontificate. Doug fits that
| to a T, even if he doesn't know it. I actually think he responds to my
| silly posts because he does know it...and he knows that I know it...and
| he can't stand it.

Think he'll bite on that obvious troll? Probably :-)

| Ah, well. We're planning on sailing most of the week and next weekend.
| I hope most of you can get out there. August was an awesome sailing
| month on the Long Island Sound.

Attaboy!

Paladin

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