No Way, Joe
 

Joe, your boat is not faster than mine. There are certain situations
where a boat like yours would be faster, but generally a 35s5 will be
faster than your boat. In 15 knots I walk away from a Tayana 48 and
that's faster than your boat.
On the Long Island Sound your boat would require it's engine more often
than not, while the 35s5 can almost always sail. Sloco's Express 30
would also leave your boat far behind as would Jeff's PDQ.
Joe, you have a beautiful boat. At sea, or in strong winds she is in
her element. But for much of the coastal and protected waterways most
people sail, she's a slow boat under sail. That's why she has the big
motor. She needs it.


RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Joe, your boat is not faster than mine.

There are certain situations where a boat like yours would be faster,

Situations like sailing in wind over 10 kt's, anywhere offshore, in
any kind of sea's, motor sailing, motoring, ect..ect..ect. The only
time your tender box will be faster is in the 3-10 kt wind range on a
flat sound or lake... if I'm not motor sailing.

Joe
RedCloud~Faster than a 35s5 in the real world.




RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

Situations like sailing in wind over 10 kt's, anywhere offshore, in
any kind of sea's, motor sailing, motoring, ect..ect..ect. The only
time your tender box will be faster is in the 3-10 kt wind range on a
flat sound or lake... if I'm not motor sailing.


Joe, you must be joking with this 10 knots business. Boats like a 35s5
or an Express 30 or a J35 or even my friend's slow Tayana will be
faster than your boat in MOST conditions. In steep seas with 30 knots
or more, you have the go to boat.
But that's not how most of us...not you either....are sailing, now is
it? Using you motor isn't sailing, but if you want to go that route, my
Dinghy is faster than your boat as well.


RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Situations like sailing in wind over 10 kt's, anywhere offshore, in
any kind of sea's, motor sailing, motoring, ect..ect..ect. The only
time your tender box will be faster is in the 3-10 kt wind range on a
flat sound or lake... if I'm not motor sailing.


Joe, you must be joking with this 10 knots business. Boats like a 35s5
or an Express 30 or a J35 or even my friend's slow Tayana will be
faster than your boat in MOST conditions.

Wrong.

Look Rob,
See what I'm pointing at?
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...63212926UfyOMU

Thats one fast hull, shaped like that fastest fish in the sea. In all
conditions over 10 kts and 2 ft ....your 35s5 would fall off behind the
horizon in no time.

Joe




In steep seas with 30 knots
or more, you have the go to boat.

Well yeah....

But that's not how most of us...not you either....are sailing,

Famous last words of many I'm sure.

now is
it?

Using you motor isn't sailing,

If my sails are up and pushing, I'm sailing.

but if you want to go that route, my
Dinghy is faster than your boat as well.

Sorry, my Dink is faster with the 15 hp merc on it. And faster sailing
than your pop-a-boat.

Joe


RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

Thats one fast hull, shaped like that fastest fish in the sea. In all
conditions over 10 kts and 2 ft ....your 35s5 would fall off behind the

horizon in no time.


Joe, shape is only part of the formula. Weight, LWL and Sail area are
among many factors. As I said, even Sloco's Express 30 is faster than
your boat. If you continue to claim otherwise, you only continue to
exhibit a lack of understanding of what makes one boat faster than the
next. If your boat had such refined sailing speed, she would not be a
motorsailor.
But feel free to post the SA/D, LWL, wetted surface area and so on for
you boat. That would give a very clear indication of her sailing
abilities. So far you have yet to post this basic data required for
making some estimates on performance.
So far you've sounded pretty silly, posting performance claims
exceeding those of a Swan 70. A pic of a dated underbody is hardly
going to support such a claim.


RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Thats one fast hull, shaped like that fastest fish in the sea. In all
conditions over 10 kts and 2 ft ....your 35s5 would fall off behind the

horizon in no time.


Joe, shape is only part of the formula. Weight, LWL and Sail area are
among many factors.

Indeed, that why I said "your 35s5 would fall off behind the
horizon in no time."

Glad you now understand.

Joe







RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

Joe, shape is only part of the formula. Weight, LWL and Sail area are
among many factors.
Indeed, that why I said "your 35s5 would fall off behind the
horizon in no time."



Joe, our 35s5 has a higher SA/D than your boat, and a faster DISP to
LWL ratio and less wetted surface for her length as well.
Feel free to post the specs of your boat.


I notice that you either can't or won't. Hmmm.


RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Joe, shape is only part of the formula. Weight, LWL and Sail area are
among many factors.
Indeed, that why I said "your 35s5 would fall off behind the
horizon in no time."



Joe, our 35s5 has a higher SA/D than your boat, and a faster DISP to
LWL ratio and less wetted surface for her length as well.
Feel free to post the specs of your boat.


My boats faster than your boat Rob, thats all you need to know.

Joe.




RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

My boats faster than your boat Rob, thats all you need to know.



I guess Joe is afraid to post the specs on his boat. But I imagine if
he tells enough people his boat is faster than a J35, Express 30, 35s5
or a Swan 70...someone will believe him...someday.

Ah well. Not a very productive troll. Going sailing at 4:00.


RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
..

Ah well. Not a very productive troll. Going sailing at 4:00.

Never going to be prductive when you claim your tenderbox is faster
than RedCloud.
RedClouds hull speed is much faster than the 35s5. Simple Logic.

Joe



RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

RedClouds hull speed is much faster than the 35s5. Simple Logic.



So then my boat must be faster than a J29, right?

Joe, just slink away quietly. We all like your slow boat, really, we
do.



RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
RedClouds hull speed is much faster than the 35s5. Simple Logic.



So then my boat must be faster than a J29, right?

right! But Only if it can leave the J29 behind, like RedCloud would
leave your 35s5 way behind, in-fact over the horizon behind in no time
at all. Then it would indeed be faster.

It's OK Rob, your boat is nice for a real tender flat water day
boat...really.

Joe

No Way, Joe
 

So then my boat must be faster than a J29, right?

right! But Only if it can leave the J29 behind


Wrong, Joe. A 35s5 is slower than a J29. And a J29 would clobber your
boat even worse then my 35s5.
It's starting to seem unlikely you are any kind of captain, or at least
you know very little of the basics regarding sailboats.
Redcloud could beat John Cairn's Catalina 28 in most conditions...I
think! But that's about it.



RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 25 Aug 2006 10:11:22 -0700, "Joe" wrote:


Capt. Rob wrote:
Joe, shape is only part of the formula. Weight, LWL and Sail area are
among many factors.
Indeed, that why I said "your 35s5 would fall off behind the
horizon in no time."



Joe, our 35s5 has a higher SA/D than your boat, and a faster DISP to
LWL ratio and less wetted surface for her length as well.
Feel free to post the specs of your boat.


My boats faster than your boat Rob, thats all you need to know.

Joe.


Yeah, it's rusting faster!

I doubt it. I'm a world class expert on rust prevention. I have a Phd
in rustoligy.

I'm quite sure Rob zincs are boiling, his swedges are swelling and the
rod rigging is cracking, the lifelines are streached out, the wiring is
corroded, and his keel bolts are settleing in and starting to crush and
grind and weaken the glass. Not to mention the blisters, core rotting,
spider cracking of the gel coat, crazing of the big gull wing windows,
and slack in his R&P steering.

Joe

CWM

No Way, Joe
 

I doubt it. I'm a world class expert on rust prevention.



The above is a yet another good reason to own a faster glass boat of
course. I had my floorboards up yesterday for a cleaning and found all
keelbolts as new.



RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

My boats faster than your boat Rob, thats all you need to know.

Joe.


Yeah, it's rusting faster!


Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

No Way, Joe
 

Nutsy,

Cripes!! Don't you realize what Joe is saying. His boat is faster than
your's. He has that big engine which makes his boat faster than your's.
When he is motorsailing he is FASTER THAN YOUR BOAT. Even is you would
motor sail at full throttle you wouldn't be as fast as his "Tin Can"

He is faster! You seem to be the only person that doesn't understand it.
He isn't Lying; he is laughing! Wise Up!

Sorry Joe, but I'm tired of reading his stupid replies. He is without a
Clue. You've had him on the "HOOK" long enough. Reel him in, unhook him
and throw him back. He's not a keeper.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

No Way, Joe
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
So then my boat must be faster than a J29, right?

right! But Only if it can leave the J29 behind


Wrong, Joe. A 35s5 is slower than a J29. And a J29 would clobber your
boat even worse then my 35s5.

Wrong, put Redcloud and a J29 and a 35s5 in the middle of the Gulf of
mexico, toss in 28 kt winds and 12 ft seas. I would cruise at 9 kts
steady without engine and both the J & 35s5 would be in survival mode.
You would be douched more than a lipton tea bag on a plantation porch.
You be about as fast and graceful as a grey hound on ice.

It's starting to seem unlikely you are any kind of captain, or at least
you know very little of the basics regarding sailboats.

USMM masters # 607529....look it up, thats with over 11 yrs underway
bubbles. 7 as Captain & Master. then add 10 yrs living on my own vessel
RedCloud.

Redcloud could beat John Cairn's Catalina 28 in most conditions...I
think! But that's about it.


Your boat is slower than RedCloud Rob. No if's, ands, or but's about
it.
De Vries builds the sleekest fastest steel hulls on earth. Very high
quaility.

Oh and BTW my Helm is much nicer than yours, it's hand made by one of
the finest craftsman on earth. Even has a lucky charm inside her.

And I bet the coin's under both my mast's are worth more than the coins
under your SINGLE mast.(if you have one)....... that is smaller than my
mizzen BTW.

Joe



RB
35s5
NY

No Way, Joe
 

Joe wrote:
Wrong, put Redcloud and a J29 and a 35s5 in the middle of the Gulf of
mexico, toss in 28 kt winds and 12 ft seas. I would cruise at 9 kts
steady without engine and both the J & 35s5 would be in survival mode.

The Benny maybe, but for the J-29 it greatly depends on who
is sailing it, and the course you want to take. Anywhere
below a close reach, a decent crew can get 8 ~ 12 knots
pretty easily... heck if going downwind, I'd be using the
spinnaker and going 15.

It's called "fun."

A well equipped and properly sailed J-29 should be shifting
into 'survival mode' until somehwere over 40 knots...
depending on the sea state, of course. It's not a great boat
for dealing with big breaking waves.

DSK

No Way, Joe
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
So then my boat must be faster than a J29, right?

right! But Only if it can leave the J29 behind


Wrong, Joe. A 35s5 is slower than a J29. And a J29 would clobber your
boat even worse then my 35s5.
It's starting to seem unlikely you are any kind of captain, or at least
you know very little of the basics regarding sailboats.
Redcloud could beat John Cairn's Catalina 28 in most conditions...I
think! But that's about it.



RB
35s5
NY

Bubbles, you're nutz.

A phrf certificate is around $35.
Most regatta entry fees are under $100.
Making it real easy here, come back with a flag, any flag, we'll even settle
for evidence that you CREWED on a boat that took ANY flag.

John

No Way, Joe
 

OzOne wrote:


Joe, you're delusional.

OZ I can read a GPS, plot a course and calculate speed.
My boat is faster than any 35s5. End of story...case closed.

Sure moden fin keelers are fast and once you get into the mid 40 ft
range then they might do well in anything but the slightest breeze and
seas. But we are talking about bubble's day sailor!


You need to get down to your local yacht club and bum a ride on a
decent fin keeler....

one like this?
http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_2-8.jpg

A real boat, yet fragile and in need of a large crew and tons-o-money.
And you have to buy everyone matching suits....naaaa to many hassles,
Ill stick with RedCloud, I can single handle her.

And she's faster than any 35s5

Joe




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

No Way, Joe
 

OzOne wrote:

Nope, not like that, an ordinary cruiser racer just like Bubbles boat.
You will be surprised I think at just what numbers come up on the GPS.


Ahhh Oz...my boat is faster than a 35s5. Rob is not going to do 9.5 kts
steady.
She's fragile and a day sailor, not worthy of open water.

Joe

And she's faster than any 35s5

Joe




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

No Way, Joe
 

You mean that the nuts and washers looked ok. Or did you draw a keel bolt?

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

I doubt it. I'm a world class expert on rust prevention.



The above is a yet another good reason to own a faster glass boat of
course. I had my floorboards up yesterday for a cleaning and found all
keelbolts as new.



RB
35s5
NY