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But a bigger wheel.
Big enough it's getting kinda silly. I wonder how many turn of a wheel like this to go chock to chock? It's 3 turns on my helm...how about yours? http://www.argolis-yacht.com/en/brok.../Olympia__.JPG Joe |
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I wonder how many turn of a wheel like this to go chock to chock? It's 3 turns on my helm...how about yours? Quite like my wheel. It's about the same turns as my C&C was I think, just a heck of a lot more precise and reachable from anywhere in the cockpit. RB 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote: I wonder how many turn of a wheel like this to go chock to chock? It's 3 turns on my helm...how about yours? Quite like my wheel. It's about the same turns as my C&C was I think, just a heck of a lot more precise and reachable from anywhere in the cockpit. RB 35s5 NY You think? You do not know? Joe |
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You think? You do not know? I only noted that it was like the C&C, but I don't recall how many turns...not many, perhaps 2. I'll check and let you know. RB 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote: You think? You do not know? I only noted that it was like the C&C, but I don't recall how many turns...not many, perhaps 2. I'll check and let you know. Rob, From now on I suggest that when you move any boat, before you untie the boat, put the engine in gear and check the steering back and forth at least twice chock to chock. In doing this you understand where center is, and you know your steering is working properly. I learned this lesson the hard way. Joe RB 35s5 NY |
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In doing this you understand where center is, and you know your steering is working properly. I know exactly where center. There's a mark on the wheel for it as well. Even without it I can always feel where the rudder is once we're moving. RB 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote: In doing this you understand where center is, and you know your steering is working properly. I know exactly where center. There's a mark on the wheel for it as well. Even without it I can always feel where the rudder is once we're moving. Yeah, but every boat you move or deliver you know were center is? It's more about testing the equipment before you get moving, that why the two cycles chock to chock, in forward and reverse gear, to see if the linkage, chain, cable, R&P, hydralics,cotter pin, sheer pin, transmission gear selectors, rudders not fouled, coupling, cutless, et.ect.ect.ect.ect all function properly before you're underway.. and in a bind. Joe RB 35s5 NY |
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Yeah, but every boat you move or deliver you know were center is? Point well taken, but I do check systems before I set off. Most recently in conducting a sea trial on an Endeavor 32, I checked the steering and ran the boat while tied up in reverse and forward. Good way to see how severe the prop walk is as well. As a matter of habit, I always run the wheel several times chock to chock on any boat before setting out. RB 35s5 NY |
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Joe wrote: Capt. Rob wrote: You think? You do not know? I only noted that it was like the C&C, but I don't recall how many turns...not many, perhaps 2. I'll check and let you know. Rob, From now on I suggest that when you move any boat, before you untie the boat, put the engine in gear and check the steering back and forth at least twice chock to chock. In doing this you understand where center is, and you know your steering is working properly. Damn straight. It's worth checking every time you take out the boat. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Joe wrote: Capt. Rob wrote: In doing this you understand where center is, and you know your steering is working properly. I know exactly where center. There's a mark on the wheel for it as well. Even without it I can always feel where the rudder is once we're moving. Yeah, but every boat you move or deliver you know were center is? It's more about testing the equipment before you get moving, that why the two cycles chock to chock, in forward and reverse gear, to see if the linkage, chain, cable, R&P, hydralics,cotter pin, sheer pin, transmission gear selectors, rudders not fouled, coupling, cutless, et.ect.ect.ect.ect all function properly before you're underway.. and in a bind. In addition, it's a good practice to actually confirm that forward and reverse actually work before you leave the dock and prior to docking. It just takes a minute, and then you don't have to worry about losing reverse when you need it the most. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Yeah, but every boat you move or deliver you know were center is? Point well taken, but I do check systems before I set off. RB 35s5 NY Yes, he makes certain the bass and treble controls work, there are batteries in the remote, the cell phone is fully charged, the fridge is stocked with Heinies, and last but not least, the thimbles are torqued to 45 ft-lbs. Bwaaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Damn straight. It's worth checking every time you take out the boat. OMG - How Positively GAY!! Jon, why would you check the chock to chock turns on the wheel of the same boat "every time" you take it out? Do boats in California often change their steering or magically adjust dead center??? CM - |
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silverback wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Damn straight. It's worth checking every time you take out the boat. OMG - How Positively GAY!! Jon, why would you check the chock to chock turns on the wheel of the same boat "every time" you take it out? Do boats in California often change their steering or magically adjust dead center??? CM - Mooron it's not gay at all. The purpose it to make sure steering and all steering componants are working properly. Guess you have never had steering fail eh? Joe |
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Damn straight. It's worth checking every time you take out the boat.
OMG - How Positively GAY!! Jon, why would you check the chock to chock turns on the wheel of the same boat "every time" you take it out? Because it makes one feel all manly & strong? Joe wrote: Mooron it's not gay at all. The purpose it to make sure steering and all steering componants are working properly. That's a rather pathetic way of "checking the steering." It tells you almost nothing at all, might not even tell you if the rudder is turning. A better way is to crawl into whatever space (usually inaccessible except by midgets) the actual steering gear is in, and carefully watch the gear work as somebody else turns the wheel... checking sheaves, calbes, bearings, etc etc at several points along the way. Takes about ten minutes but you should only have to do it two or three times a season instead of "every time." ... Guess you have never had steering fail eh? Not unexpectedly on boats whose steering I had inspected. I have had boats go thru storms where I had inspected the steering (making minor corrections) and expected it to fail, and been pleasantly surprised that it didn't. Most steering failures I've experienced have been on small boats, when the gudgeons break off. Fun! DSK |
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DSK wrote: Most steering failures I've experienced have been on small boats, when the gudgeons break off. Fun! DSK Doug with my boat in gear still tied up I can tell weather my steering is working properly. I ran a boat many many days, and then one time leaving the dock Got her up on plane and she started drifting, first to stbd, then to port and by the time I noticed I did not have any steering I smacked into a 20 ton bouy, had I put the linkage thru a couple turns I would have discovered the steering chain was coming off the gear, Then one time backing out of the lift slip my transimssion linkage failed in reverse, I could do nothing but hit another boat, and when I tried to stop stern way I just made ig go faster thinking I was shifting into forward. Just like a pilot , before he takes off... I put my equipment thru a check and make sure things are functioning properly. Joe |
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Joe wrote:
Doug with my boat in gear still tied up I can tell weather my steering is working properly. That would tell you more than simply spinning the wheel lock to lock like a simpleton, yes. I ran a boat many many days, and then one time leaving the dock Got her up on plane and she started drifting, first to stbd, then to port and by the time I noticed I did not have any steering I smacked into a 20 ton bouy, had I put the linkage thru a couple turns I would have discovered the steering chain was coming off the gear, What were you smoking? The times I've had boat's steering malfunction (for example, the bracket holding the hydraulic cylinder coming unbolted) I noticed the steering was erratic and started hunting for the problem long before hitting anything. Then one time backing out of the lift slip my transimssion linkage failed in reverse, I could do nothing but hit another boat, and when I tried to stop stern way I just made ig go faster thinking I was shifting into forward. You should check the linkages more often. Just like a pilot , before he takes off... I put my equipment thru a check and make sure things are functioning properly. Well here's my advice: if you get on a plane and you see the pilot turning the steering wheel lock to lock, then he turns and says to the flight engineer (or copilot, since few planes have on-board engineers any more) "Yep, the steering is A-OK" .... I recommend getting on a different plane. DSK |
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DSK wrote: Joe wrote: Doug with my boat in gear still tied up I can tell weather my steering is working properly. That would tell you more than simply spinning the wheel lock to lock like a simpleton, yes. I ran a boat many many days, and then one time leaving the dock Got her up on plane and she started drifting, first to stbd, then to port and by the time I noticed I did not have any steering I smacked into a 20 ton bouy, had I put the linkage thru a couple turns I would have discovered the steering chain was coming off the gear, What were you smoking? The times I've had boat's steering malfunction (for example, the bracket holding the hydraulic cylinder coming unbolted) I noticed the steering was erratic and started hunting for the problem long before hitting anything. Wasn't smoking anything, got on course and the drifting was next to nothing, as I corrected I discovered no steering, reached for the throttle and bam. This was at the landing in Deigo Garcia, about 200 ft off the dock was two huge cement mooring bouys that you go between to the anchorage Then one time backing out of the lift slip my transimssion linkage failed in reverse, I could do nothing but hit another boat, and when I tried to stop stern way I just made ig go faster thinking I was shifting into forward. You should check the linkages more often. Gee thats what I been saying...glad you agree. Just like a pilot , before he takes off... I put my equipment thru a check and make sure things are functioning properly. Well here's my advice: if you get on a plane and you see the pilot turning the steering wheel lock to lock, then he turns and says to the flight engineer (or copilot, since few planes have on-board engineers any more) "Yep, the steering is A-OK" .... I recommend getting on a different plane. So now you are saying (manly Man) pilots just hop in the seat and go..Capt Ron style. No since in checking anything. OK Doug...what ever. Joe DSK |
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Joe wrote:
Wasn't smoking anything, got on course and the drifting was next to nothing, as I corrected I discovered no steering, reached for the throttle and bam. This was at the landing in Deigo Garcia, about 200 ft off the dock was two huge cement mooring bouys that you go between to the anchorage OK, I see now. I thought you were running a longer channel. You should check the linkages more often. Gee thats what I been saying...glad you agree. Of course I agree with things that make sense! I don't agree with just spinning the wheel... the only thing that tells you is if it's going to come off in your hand... better than nothing I suppose... So now you are saying (manly Man) pilots just hop in the seat and go..Capt Ron style. No since in checking anything. OK Doug...what ever. Umm, yeah Joe, that's what I said idd'n it... having another Bobsprit moment, are we? Oh well, it's Saturday and I am working on the super dinghy ....in between phone calls... Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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DSK wrote: Oh well, it's Saturday and I am working on the super dinghy ...in between phone calls... You got it out of the mold yet? Joe Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"silverback" wrote in message news:5aVHg.17486$365.14402@edtnps89... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Damn straight. It's worth checking every time you take out the boat. OMG - How Positively GAY!! Jon, why would you check the chock to chock turns on the wheel of the same boat "every time" you take it out? Do boats in California often change their steering or magically adjust dead center??? CM - I check the centering on my tiller every time. |
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Joe wrote:
You got it out of the mold yet? It's not in a mold, it's over mold stations. And it's not quite ready to come off yet, I decided to do the gunwhale a little differently (stronger). Plus I got some different peel-ply that I'm not sure about yet. DSK |
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Gilligan wrote:
I check the centering on my tiller every time. As well you should! An uncentered tiller is an abomination!! DSK |
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Of course I agree with things that make sense!
I don't agree with just spinning the wheel... the only thing that tells you is if it's going to come off in your hand... better than nothing I suppose... Ya know, I hate to agree with anything that Joe says, just because it's more fun to do otherwise (even when he's right!). But Doug's comment above is just too shockingly stupid to ignore. I always turn my wheel stop to stop before I set off. I was taught to do so by a very experienced sailor and I've seen others do it. If the King of Keels truly thinks the only thing you can feel is a wheel coming off in your hand, I'm glad his trawler is far far away and seeing so little use. RB 35s5 NY |
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"DSK" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: I check the centering on my tiller every time. As well you should! An uncentered tiller is an abomination!! DSK In both azimuth and elevation no less! I know the azimuth control makes the boat go left or right but I haven't yet figured out what the elevation control does. |
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silverback wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Damn straight. It's worth checking every time you take out the boat. OMG - How Positively GAY!! Clearly you're very concerned about gay people. You're an angry person, and this is quite sad/pathetic. Jon, why would you check the chock to chock turns on the wheel of the same boat "every time" you take it out? Do boats in California often change their steering or magically adjust dead center??? Things change, especially on an older boat that gets a lot of use by different people. Things break, and you might not know it until you're in a bad spot. It's a teaching boat, most of the time I'm sailng with students, and they need to develop good habits. I thought you were a competent sailor way back when. Things seem to have gone down hill for you lately. Quite a sad situation, and I feel very sorry for you. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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DSK wrote: Mooron it's not gay at all. The purpose it to make sure steering and all steering componants are working properly. That's a rather pathetic way of "checking the steering." It tells you almost nothing at all, might not even tell you if the rudder is turning. On the Y30, you can see the rudder, and you can see the alignment on the rudder post without going below. For day in and day out sailing, checking the chock to chock and using your eyes is adequate. That's quite different than doing regular maintenance checks a few times a year, whare is also appropriate. A better way is to crawl into whatever space (usually inaccessible except by midgets) the actual steering gear is in, and carefully watch the gear work as somebody else turns the wheel... checking sheaves, calbes, bearings, etc etc at several points along the way. Takes about ten minutes but you should only have to do it two or three times a season instead of "every time." -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Nutsy,
A question for you or any of you helm jockeys? How about when you have and inside & outside Helms? What is the checking procedure for Two Helms, one Rudder? Also; What checks for a Folding Prop (Martec) http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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Gilly,
You'll have to ask Nutsy. He helms from the HIGHEST ELEVATION of anyone I ever seen (G) http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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Gilligan wrote:
I know the azimuth control makes the boat go left or right but I haven't yet figured out what the elevation control does. It doesn't do anything on most boats, too many sailors can't get the trim adjust right. DSK |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:34:07 -0600, "Gilligan"
wrote: "silverback" wrote in message news:5aVHg.17486$365.14402@edtnps89... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Damn straight. It's worth checking every time you take out the boat. OMG - How Positively GAY!! Jon, why would you check the chock to chock turns on the wheel of the same boat "every time" you take it out? Do boats in California often change their steering or magically adjust dead center??? CM - I check the centering on my tiller every time. And I found out why you should always have an emergency tiller when that solid ash tiller, without a mark on the outside, broke off cleanly, with the break looking like dry rot. Exciting for a moment or two. Frank |
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Frank Boettcher wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:34:07 -0600, "Gilligan" wrote: "silverback" wrote in message news:5aVHg.17486$365.14402@edtnps89... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Damn straight. It's worth checking every time you take out the boat. OMG - How Positively GAY!! Jon, why would you check the chock to chock turns on the wheel of the same boat "every time" you take it out? Do boats in California often change their steering or magically adjust dead center??? CM - I check the centering on my tiller every time. And I found out why you should always have an emergency tiller when that solid ash tiller, without a mark on the outside, broke off cleanly, with the break looking like dry rot. Exciting for a moment or two. Frank The tiller mount on our O'Day 22 came loose in a storm and we were in the same kind of picle,,,,things get very busy very ffast..... |
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"Non scrivetemi" Extremus in tutaminis of licentia est haud vitium. |
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You'll have to ask Nutsy. He helms from the HIGHEST ELEVATION of anyone I ever seen (G) Thom, you have yet to see me at the helm, but you should look at my buddies C&C 34XL or any number of CC boats. We generally helm like this.... http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/imag...jonsuzweby.jpg But this makes for a better pic... http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/newhelm.jpg RB 35s5 NY |
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Bob Crantz wrote: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Yeah, but every boat you move or deliver you know were center is? Point well taken, but I do check systems before I set off. RB 35s5 NY Yes, he makes certain the bass and treble controls work, there are batteries in the remote, the cell phone is fully charged, the fridge is stocked with Heinies, and last but not least, the thimbles are torqued to 45 ft-lbs. Bwaaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! How do you torque a thimble? Joe |
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Joe wrote:
Yes, he makes certain the bass and treble controls work, there are batteries in the remote, the cell phone is fully charged, the fridge is stocked with Heinies, and last but not least, the thimbles are torqued to 45 ft-lbs. Bwaaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! How do you torque a thimble? Simple, use a motorized router bit! Cheers Marty e |
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Sheesh you steering wheeled sailors.... next you'll be bragging about the
wheel knob. I have Real Man's steering ..... a Tiller! You pussy-assed chock to chock testing, to dumb to mark center, wheel weiners!!! CM- "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... silverback wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Damn straight. It's worth checking every time you take out the boat. OMG - How Positively GAY!! Jon, why would you check the chock to chock turns on the wheel of the same boat "every time" you take it out? Do boats in California often change their steering or magically adjust dead center??? CM - Mooron it's not gay at all. The purpose it to make sure steering and all steering componants are working properly. Guess you have never had steering fail eh? Joe |
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Yeah, you're really proud of your tiller, despite its limitations. :-)
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "silverback" wrote in message news:I_4Kg.6068$rd7.1339@edtnps89... Sheesh you steering wheeled sailors.... next you'll be bragging about the wheel knob. I have Real Man's steering ..... a Tiller! You pussy-assed chock to chock testing, to dumb to mark center, wheel weiners!!! CM- "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... silverback wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Damn straight. It's worth checking every time you take out the boat. OMG - How Positively GAY!! Jon, why would you check the chock to chock turns on the wheel of the same boat "every time" you take it out? Do boats in California often change their steering or magically adjust dead center??? CM - Mooron it's not gay at all. The purpose it to make sure steering and all steering componants are working properly. Guess you have never had steering fail eh? Joe |
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Yes, he makes certain the bass and treble controls work, there are batteries
in the remote, the cell phone is fully charged, the fridge is stocked with Heinies, and last but not least, the thimbles are torqued to 45 ft-lbs. Joe wrote: How do you torque a thimble? Martin Baxter wrote: Simple, use a motorized router bit! A Whitworth motorized router bit, please. DSK |
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