Looking for my first boat
 

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between 30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,

Looking for my first boat
 

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between 30-35".


I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.


You didn't mention price range, but....
Generally stay away from US Yachts, O'Day, Siedlemann, Chrysler, Ticon.
That list won't gaurantee a bad boat every time, but they are among the
poorest boats ever built. And that's NOT to say that a C&C, Pearson,
Catalina, Beneteau or the like with be a slam dunk. Condition is
EVERYTHING.
If you're looking for a 1st boat that will sail well and let you test
the waters without spending an arm and a leg, try a Pearson 30, C&C 30
or Catalina 30 and there All three are great all around boats to get
you started. And all three were very successful and so you'll find
plenty to choose from.

RB
35s5
NY

Looking for my first boat
 

"Praxi" wrote in message
oups.com..
..
Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between
30-35".

Ding! that's a bell going off. I think most would agree that
buying a 30-35' sailboat BEFORE you know how to sail is a
bad idea. Not totaly undoable, but I would strongly advise
to learn to sail FIRST.


I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of
nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends,
and maybe live
there for a week or so.

You want a cruising boat. There are 1000s of them. What's
your price range? Sailing area? Will you be solo sailing?



Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and
what to stay
away from?

Whatever you do, don't listen to the ****** who calls
himself ''Capt Rob''. He knows nothing about boats. He is a
sad troll who is jelious of everything.


Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model,
etc.) to look
for?



Start here, http://yachtworld.com/boats/index.html.en , look
for 30-35' sailboats.
You will soon be overwhelmed.

Material? Fibreglass, of course.
Year, model? What can you afford?
Brand? Within each brand you will find poor examples,
either by mfg. or neglect from an owner. Each individual
boat must be checked out, inspected thoroughly and then
surveyed before purchase.

Looking for my first boat
 

Ding! that's a bell going off. I think most would agree that
buying a 30-35' sailboat BEFORE you know how to sail is a
bad idea. Not totaly undoable, but I would strongly advise
to learn to sail FIRST.


ding! The bell going off echoes in Scotty's head. When did he say he
was buying a boat first?



You want a cruising boat. There are 1000s of them. What's
your price range? Sailing area? Will you be solo sailing?

Since he doesn't sail yet, he probabaly can't answer all of these
questions, dopey.


within each brand you will find poor examples,
either by mfg. or neglect from an owner. Each individual
boat must be checked out, inspected thoroughly and then
surveyed before purchase.


Beware of clowns like Scotty, who bought the wrong boat day 1. Start by
crossing off builders who really produced trash....Siedlemann, US
Yachts, Oday, Macgreggor, coronada, and also Irwin is one to generally
avoid.
Note that Scotty, who actually bought a Seidlemann against the advice
of his friends, now has it up on stands, high and dry.

Good luck!

RB
35s5
NY

Looking for my first boat
 

Although it might be obvious, you typically want to buy a boat that someone
else has spent a lot of time and money on and no longer wants. A lot of
boats are advertised as "Mexico vet" or "Atlantic vet." While there's
nothing wrong with that, you need to be careful not to buy a boat that's
been "road hard and put away wet" so to speak. Sure, it did it 10 times. Do
you want a boat that's been through that kind of pounding? Depending on what
you're willing to spend, get a survey. It'll likely save you 1000s,
especially since you don't know much about boats. Have a mechanic take a
look at the engine. Your choices of engine are diesel or gas. Most people
prefer diesels, but there's nothing wrong with an A4 if it's in good shape.

The main considerations (and expensive items) are hull quality, standing
rigging, engine, and general maintenance (has it been done or not).
Typically, someone who has done regular maintenance on their boat takes
pride in their boat, and thus the other things fall into line. It's rare
when lack of maintenance by the previous owner equates to few problems with
the other items.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Praxi" wrote in message
oups.com..
.
Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between
30-35".

Ding! that's a bell going off. I think most would agree that
buying a 30-35' sailboat BEFORE you know how to sail is a
bad idea. Not totaly undoable, but I would strongly advise
to learn to sail FIRST.


I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of
nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends,
and maybe live
there for a week or so.

You want a cruising boat. There are 1000s of them. What's
your price range? Sailing area? Will you be solo sailing?



Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and
what to stay
away from?

Whatever you do, don't listen to the ****** who calls
himself ''Capt Rob''. He knows nothing about boats. He is a
sad troll who is jelious of everything.


Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model,
etc.) to look
for?



Start here, http://yachtworld.com/boats/index.html.en , look
for 30-35' sailboats.
You will soon be overwhelmed.

Material? Fibreglass, of course.
Year, model? What can you afford?
Brand? Within each brand you will find poor examples,
either by mfg. or neglect from an owner. Each individual
boat must be checked out, inspected thoroughly and then
surveyed before purchase.

Looking for my first boat
 

Waht about a Pearson 30?



Already suggested it to him. I suggested the same for Scott Vermon, but
he was hell bent on getting the very worst his money could buy. He won!
The Pearson 30 is one of the all-time great production boats, simple
and it sails great. One was featured on the cover of Cruising World not
long ago.....

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/cwp30.jpg

Sailing Magazine also listed it as one of the all-time greats. I bought
mine for just 9K...sold it for just under 14K.


RB
35s5
NY

Looking for my first boat
 

"Praxi" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between 30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,

Won't tell you what to buy, just that you avoid any advice offered by this
clowntard that calls itself "Capt" RB.

John Cairns

Looking for my first boat
 

Won't tell you what to buy, just that you avoid any advice offered by
this
clowntard that calls itself "Capt" RB.



So...John....Ozzy and I agree on the Pearson 30. Please tell us why it
shouldn't be considered. Can you EVER post sailing info that is
worthwhile?
I guess not.

Other great boats to consider:

Sabre 28
Pearson 32 (up to 82)
C&C 29
Beneteau 345
Catalina 34 (Stay away from newer Catalinas)
Tartan 300/30
J30
J34c
Sabre 34
Bristol 33.5

And so on.....


RB
35s5
NY

Looking for my first boat
 

"Scotty" wrote:

"Praxi" wrote:
I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between
30-35".

Ding! that's a bell going off. I think most would agree that
buying a 30-35' sailboat BEFORE you know how to sail is a
bad idea. Not totaly undoable, but I would strongly advise
to learn to sail FIRST.

Now why would you give out advice like that, Snotty?

I learned how to fly after I bought a Cherokee Arrow. (single engine,
retractable gear, a couple of other extras). I actually bought a second one
with a T-tail. The boys Dad had a Cherokee 6 when I met him.

I got paid for learning how to fly...so don't judge everyone by you personal
yardstick.

LP


I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of
nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends,
and maybe live
there for a week or so.

You want a cruising boat. There are 1000s of them. What's
your price range? Sailing area? Will you be solo sailing?



Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and
what to stay
away from?

Whatever you do, don't listen to the ****** who calls
himself ''Capt Rob''. He knows nothing about boats. He is a
sad troll who is jelious of everything.


Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model,
etc.) to look
for?



Start here, http://yachtworld.com/boats/index.html.en , look
for 30-35' sailboats.
You will soon be overwhelmed.

Material? Fibreglass, of course.
Year, model? What can you afford?
Brand? Within each brand you will find poor examples,
either by mfg. or neglect from an owner. Each individual
boat must be checked out, inspected thoroughly and then
surveyed before purchase.

Looking for my first boat
 

so don't judge everyone by you personal
yardstick.


Scott Vermon's personal yardstick is less than 3 inches long.


RB
35s5
NY

Looking for my first boat
 

--
"Swab Rob" wrote

When did he say he
was buying a boat first?

"I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between
30-35".
"

learn to read, dummy.

SV

Looking for my first boat
 

"I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between
30-35".
"

learn to read, dummy.


Scored kinda low on those SAT's aye, Scotty Potty. Nothing in that
sentence says he's buying a boat before learning to sail. And even if
he went about it that way, it's his business.
Stop trying to protect your sad little world. It's so obvious that the
guy will "start" ahead of you, so just get over it. Along with Capt.
Neal, John Cairns and Doug, you're the king of bad boat choices. Do you
think someone who bought a Mac and THEN a Siedlemann should ever even
be seen in public.
Scott Vermon, you're one pathetic dude. We're sailing tomorrow...so go
polish your boat stands!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Scotty...a guy who likes his boat on LAND!


RB
35s5
NY

Looking for my first boat
 

--
"Swab Rob" wrote

"I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between
30-35".
"

learn to read, dummy.


I scored kinda low on those SAT's

Yes, and it shows.

SV

Looking for my first boat
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message ...
| Although it might be obvious, you typically want to buy a boat that someone
| else has spent a lot of time and money on and no longer wants. A lot of
| boats are advertised as "Mexico vet" or "Atlantic vet." While there's
| nothing wrong with that, you need to be careful not to buy a boat that's
| been "road hard and put away wet" so to speak. Sure, it did it 10 times. Do
| you want a boat that's been through that kind of pounding? Depending on what
| you're willing to spend, get a survey. It'll likely save you 1000s,
| especially since you don't know much about boats. Have a mechanic take a
| look at the engine. Your choices of engine are diesel or gas. Most people
| prefer diesels, but there's nothing wrong with an A4 if it's in good shape.
|
| The main considerations (and expensive items) are hull quality, standing
| rigging, engine, and general maintenance (has it been done or not).
| Typically, someone who has done regular maintenance on their boat takes
| pride in their boat, and thus the other things fall into line. It's rare
| when lack of maintenance by the previous owner equates to few problems with
| the other items.
|
| --
| "j" ganz @@
| www.sailnow.com

So sez the voice of AnalEze expertise . . .
http://www.body-language.com/item403.htm

Paladin
--have sailboat, will travel.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Looking for my first boat
 

I scored kinda low on those SAT's



Yes, and it shows.


Coming next from pathetic Scott Vermon: Knock Knock Jokes.
Stay tuned.



RB
35s5
NY

Looking for my first boat
 

Praxi wrote:


Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between 30-35".


Don't confuse buying a boat with sailing or cruising in a boat.

Nomen Nescio wrote:
I'm in pretty much the same situation you're in. I've done a decent bit
of sailing, but I probably wouldn't make pimple on a *good* boatperson's
rear end.

Why would you want to?
Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

... My plans are to retire permanently to the water within the
next 2 years, and I'll probably be looking at something in the 40'+
range mostly due to tank capacities. From what I've been able to
gather there's a "cut off" just under 40' where fuel and water drop to
the 20-30 gallon range. I simply want more sustainability and
independence than that.

Tankage is one of the easiest things to improve on a boat.
Don't buy a boat for large tankage; buy a boat that is
suitable for what you want to do, then outline a work
program to improve the most important functions.

You'd be amazed at how few boats sold are really suitable
for sailing and for cruising. Probably half or so have
serious flaws that the owner never detects because all he
will do is daysail on pleasant afternoons, and drink beer at
the dock.

For example, put a winch handle in the coaming winch and
spin it... does the handle hit a lifeline stanchion or
bimini rail such that it cannot be turned all the way? Guess
what, you just found Not-So-Hidden Flaw #1647-a


http://home.att.net/~seafareryachts/BruceCranner.htm



Lots of good stuff here, but I disagree with him about some
pretty basic points, like outboards. Having an outboard does
not make a boat "a bear to handle." I hate outboards but
lived with one for years. They are practical and economical,
compact, and you can winterize it by putting it in your
closet. It's true that the prop will 'pitch out' under some
conditions, rendering the motor useless when you most need
it; but the thing to do is not demand an inboard on all
boats but rather learn to maximize the benefits of the
outboard, and simply don't try to motor full speed into a
steep chop. There is always another safe option. It's
uncomfortable and noisy to do that, anyway.


And I'd also like to chime in about this "Capt. Rob" character. Please,
don't feed the troll. Best to kill file him now. I did after a week of
reading this group and it's amazing how much the S/N ratio improved.


Bubbles is nuts.

DSK

Looking for my first boat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Won't tell you what to buy, just that you avoid any advice offered by
this
clowntard that calls itself "Capt" RB.



So...John....Ozzy and I agree on the Pearson 30. Please tell us why it
shouldn't be considered. Can you EVER post sailing info that is
worthwhile?
I guess not.

Other great boats to consider:

Sabre 28
Pearson 32 (up to 82)
C&C 29
Beneteau 345
Catalina 34 (Stay away from newer Catalinas)
Tartan 300/30
J30
J34c
Sabre 34
Bristol 33.5

And so on.....


RB
35s5
NY

What's wrong with newer Catalinas?
--AG

Looking for my first boat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote:

so don't judge everyone by you personal
yardstick.


Scott Vermon's personal yardstick is less than 3 inches long.

That would be my guess...but how did you know? :-)

LP