Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Looks like we'll be getting a genset afterall. A Cruiser 32, which was
storm damaged has been bought by my yard after settling with the
insurance. Tiny little Kholer (Sp?) 4K genset will be a gift from the
yard along with an installation. She's all prewired for it and the
platform is ready and waiting. I have mixed feelings about it. It
weighs more than a box of feathers and we have yet to establish that
it's something we really need at anchor. In the slip, hanging out or
working, the a/c is a no brainer luxury. Still, I had to say yes or no
and I imagine this can only bring up the value of the boat with no cost
to me. According to the guy who's putting it in along with a hush box,
we'll barely hear it and no one anchored nearby will. I think he's
right since I can barely hear the genset of the Cruiser 34 that's not
far from us. It's amazingly small and quiet.
So...good news for our Heart of Gold!


RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Looks like we'll be getting a genset afterall. A Cruiser 32, which was
storm damaged has been bought by my yard after settling with the
insurance. Tiny little Kholer (Sp?) 4K genset will be a gift from the
yard along with an installation. She's all prewired for it and the
platform is ready and waiting. I have mixed feelings about it. It
weighs more than a box of feathers and we have yet to establish that
it's something we really need at anchor. In the slip, hanging out or
working, the a/c is a no brainer luxury. Still, I had to say yes or no
and I imagine this can only bring up the value of the boat with no cost
to me. According to the guy who's putting it in along with a hush box,
we'll barely hear it and no one anchored nearby will. I think he's
right since I can barely hear the genset of the Cruiser 34 that's not
far from us. It's amazingly small and quiet.
So...good news for our Heart of Gold!


RB
35s5
NY

Smart move bubbles.
Couple questions...is it gaseous or diesel?

Must be water cooled right? Hush box excludes air cooled
Were is it going to exhaust?
Going to need another strainer and thru hull.
4kw should run a 18000 BTU just keep Suzy's hairdryer ashore.
You going to wait till fall to install?

Joe

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Couple questions...is it gaseous or diesel?

Must be water cooled right? Hush box excludes air cooled
Were is it going to exhaust?
Going to need another strainer and thru hull.
4kw should run a 18000 BTU just keep Suzy's hairdryer ashore.
You going to wait till fall to install?


You know...I didn't ask much about it yet. I was pretty excited at the
offer. I'm guessing it's gas since the Cruiser 34 has one and it's gas.
They'll have to set up a thru-hull and so on, which is why we'll wait
for the season to wrap up. Our AC is 17000 BTU's total. The 4KW will be
able to start it so long as not much else is on. Should run it without
a hitch. The platform is aft in the large starboard storage area...not
a great place for that weight.


RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Couple questions...is it gaseous or diesel?

Must be water cooled right? Hush box excludes air cooled
Were is it going to exhaust?
Going to need another strainer and thru hull.
4kw should run a 18000 BTU just keep Suzy's hairdryer ashore.
You going to wait till fall to install?


You know...I didn't ask much about it yet. I was pretty excited at the
offer. I'm guessing it's gas since the Cruiser 34 has one and it's gas.

I'd hold off and find a diesel genset, hopefully you are going to mount
a remote fuel tank. Fueling a hot genset is very dangerious, and you
will need spark free blowers, and flame screens on your tank vents.
Plus I'd put a blower in the locker the genset is mounted, gas
gensets.. really most gen sets are prone to spring a leak once and a
while due to vibration. Just a drip in a confined locker could become
a major explosion hazard with gasoline.


They'll have to set up a thru-hull and so on, which is why we'll wait
for the season to wrap up. Our AC is 17000 BTU's total. The 4KW will be
able to start it so long as not much else is on. Should run it without
a hitch. The platform is aft in the large starboard storage area...not
a great place for that weight.

I thought it was "Feather light"..Since it's aft hanging out over the
water when it blows hopefully no one will be injured.

Will your insurance double due to gasoline aboard?

Joe



RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Good Luck Nutsy,

I didn't have a AC but had a Microwave. I had a 500W Genset to charge
Batteries for Inverter. Not much bigger than a Lunch box. Noisy as hell
but portable. Used battery clip to use and disconnect and stored in the
Head when not in use, which was most of the time. My diesel Aux was a
better choice. Quitter and less fuel and all hooked up to boat
circuitry.

It didn't go with the sale. I've hooked it up to my furnace circuit in
the house. I can have heat and a couple of lights during Power Failures.

Bet your thankful for AC this Summer back there. I've used my House AC
more this year than all the other years combined.

Nice today. 64 degrees and force 2 breeze and sunny.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Bet your thankful for AC this Summer back there. I've used my House AC
more this year than all the other years combined.



You win that bet. The heat index for most of this week was 100-105
degrees. At least I was able to spend some time aboard and let a friend
sleep aboard when her power went out in Astoria. On more "normally" hot
days the A/C is nice when we're done with a sail. Packing up the main
and cleaning up usually takes a while, so it's nice to finish up below
in a cool cabin with an ice cold drink. Those windless days mean the
boat is more usable for BBQ as well.
I have to laugh when I think of poor Dave or Scotty Vermon hanging on a
hook with no A/C days like yesterday. They sure are "roughing it!"


RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

--
"Swab Rob" wrote


Those windless days mean the
boat is more usable

Oh my!


I have to laugh when I think of poor Dave or Scotty Vermon
hanging on a
hook with no A/C days like yesterday. They sure are
"roughing it!"


Whose on a hook? I'm on jackstands, remember...


--
Scotty
''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with
any degree of credibility, comment on the courage
of fellow sailors'' ....F.B.
http://tinyurl.com/pzdl8

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Whose on a hook?



You...in every way!!!


BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!



RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Nutsy,

I think you may have run that "HOOK" into your thumb. With a couple of
6volt Fans and open hatches a boat on the water can be kept very
comfortable and a lot more economical than a AC.

Out here, in the Pacific NW the water temp never get above 50 degrees.
Very nice if you can circulate it. Even LISound, as I remember doesn't
get into the 80's very often. BUT

A AC is very nice but a space hug. If you have one you're just about
obligated to use it.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. Rob wrote:
Couple questions...is it gaseous or diesel?

Must be water cooled right? Hush box excludes air cooled
Were is it going to exhaust?
Going to need another strainer and thru hull.
4kw should run a 18000 BTU just keep Suzy's hairdryer
ashore.
You going to wait till fall to install?


You know...I didn't ask much about it yet. I was pretty
excited at the
offer. I'm guessing it's gas since the Cruiser 34 has
one and it's gas.

I'd hold off and find a diesel genset, hopefully

He can't afford one, Joe. He has to take what his marina
wants to get rid of. And he only has to clean out holding
tanks in exchange.

Scotty

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Even LISound, as I remember doesn't
get into the 80's very often. BUT



Thom, the LIS has been in the 90's plenty this summer. We start our
daysails later in the day and sail into the evenings because of it.


RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Joe,
You sure did ask a lot of the right questions? One of the reason I went
with the small portable with long battery charging leads. Also one of
the reason it wasn't used that much.

An extra battery bank and a 100 Amp Generator/inverter makes sense. Not
cheap tho?




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

So now you have to carry gasoline aboard and find somewhere to stow the can.
A totally unnecessary extra fire hazard.
Edgar

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Looks like we'll be getting a genset afterall. A Cruiser 32, which was
storm damaged has been bought by my yard after settling with the
insurance. Tiny little Kholer (Sp?) 4K genset will be a gift from the
yard along with an installation. She's all prewired for it and the
platform is ready and waiting. I have mixed feelings about it. It
weighs more than a box of feathers and we have yet to establish that
it's something we really need at anchor. In the slip, hanging out or
working, the a/c is a no brainer luxury. Still, I had to say yes or no
and I imagine this can only bring up the value of the boat with no cost
to me. According to the guy who's putting it in along with a hush box,
we'll barely hear it and no one anchored nearby will. I think he's
right since I can barely hear the genset of the Cruiser 34 that's not
far from us. It's amazingly small and quiet.
So...good news for our Heart of Gold!


RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

What would you expect from someone who doesn't even put a
PFD on a toddler?

Scotty


"Edgar" wrote in message
...
So now you have to carry gasoline aboard and find
somewhere to stow the can.
A totally unnecessary extra fire hazard.
Edgar

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

ups.com...
Looks like we'll be getting a genset afterall. A Cruiser
32, which was
storm damaged has been bought by my yard after settling
with the
insurance. Tiny little Kholer (Sp?) 4K genset will be a
gift from the
yard along with an installation. She's all prewired for
it and the
platform is ready and waiting. I have mixed feelings
about it. It
weighs more than a box of feathers and we have yet to
establish that
it's something we really need at anchor. In the slip,
hanging out or
working, the a/c is a no brainer luxury. Still, I had to
say yes or no
and I imagine this can only bring up the value of the
boat with no cost
to me. According to the guy who's putting it in along
with a hush box,
we'll barely hear it and no one anchored nearby will. I
think he's
right since I can barely hear the genset of the Cruiser
34 that's not
far from us. It's amazingly small and quiet.
So...good news for our Heart of Gold!


RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

What would you expect from someone who doesn't even put a
PFD on a toddler?


Thom didn't put a PFD on a toddler?
(Stupid Scotty doesn't even know who's talking to who! Is Edgar talking
to me? Why woiuld I have a gas can with a built in remote tank? Duh!)


RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
What would you expect from someone who doesn't even put a
PFD on a toddler?


Thom didn't put a PFD on a toddler?
(Stupid Scotty doesn't even know who's talking to who! Is Edgar talking
to me? Why woiuld I have a gas can with a built in remote tank? Duh!)


You a seperate gasoline tank buildt in? Or is that siomething you will
ad when you install the gen-set?

Joe

RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

You a seperate gasoline tank buildt in? Or is that siomething you will
ad when you install the gen-set?


None of this matters, Joe. I just came back from my yard. It's a Onan E
series diesel genset. I really feel it's too big and heavy, so I'm
looking at possibly selling it off on ebay to pay for something more
suited for my boat. It weighs over 350 lbs and that's without the power
vented cover and fuel assembly.
I wonder what the smallest genset is that could start and run my
A/C...?


RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
You a seperate gasoline tank buildt in? Or is that siomething you will
ad when you install the gen-set?


None of this matters, Joe. I just came back from my yard. It's a Onan E
series diesel genset. I really feel it's too big and heavy, so I'm
looking at possibly selling it off on ebay to pay for something more
suited for my boat.

No genset is suited for your boat (sorry) but that's just one of the
reasons it's a day sailor and not a cruising vessel.

You can get a shaft PTO driven genset that will work, but you will
have to run your main all the time. Onan is pretty compact and any
diesel genset worth a damn is going to be 300+ pounds. Your main
problem is space no weight so much, you can not go air cooled so you
have to use a marine unit. Do you know of any other 35s5 with a genset?
What do they use?


It weighs over 350 lbs and that's without the power
vented cover and fuel assembly.

Thats nothing! My 7.5kw Lister is around 700lbs

I wonder what the smallest genset is that could start and run my
A/C...?

I would get hatch top AC's and only use them at the dock. Toss them in
the dock box while sailing. Your boat is a day sailor bob, the AC's
and comforts of home are still quite a few steps away on your stepping
stone path of boat ownership.

During the hot weather sail at night. You might learn to enjoy it.
Perhaps some hatch wind scoups would help..It's not that hot in NYC.

To bad you can not use an air cooled unit, nice Duetz set on e-bay
http://cgi.ebay.com/diesel-generator...QQcmdZViewItem.

Joe




RB
35s5
NY

Heart of Gold and the Genset
 

No genset is suited for your boat (sorry) but that's just one of the
reasons it's a day sailor and not a cruising vessel.


Nonsense. It fits easily. I'd like to see if there's anything smaller
and lighter before accepting the weight of two adults in gear that will
be used on rare occasions.


Your main
problem is space not weight so much, you can not go air cooled so you
have to use a marine unit. Do you know of any other 35s5 with a genset?

What do they use?


Space is certainly not the problem. The 35s5 starboard storage under
the cockpit is most of the same space used on three cabin models. It's
huge to the point of being almost rediculous. Right now we have three
sail bags in there, the dinghy (not inflated!), 5 fenders. two tool
kits and a lot of odds and ends that need to be cleaned out. There's
still room for two people to sit and have tea. I have seen other 35s5's
with gensets, but never asked what they were using. I'll look into it.


I would get hatch top AC's and only use them at the dock. Toss them
in
the dock box while sailing.

Our 35s5 already had a nice AC system with heat. Why buy cumbersome
portables?

Your boat is a day sailor bob,

Yup, we bought her for day sailing and short trips. Right boat for the
right usage.

the AC's
and comforts of home are still quite a few steps away on your stepping
stone path of boat ownership.

That's actually a valid point and I think I'd have to be a pretty old
man to want a boat like Redcloud. Not knocking your boat....just not
right for the fast and fun sailing we're doing now with a 23 month old
toddler aboard.

During the hot weather sail at night. You might learn to enjoy it.

Perhaps some hatch wind scoups would help..It's not that hot in NYC.


Last week the heat index was over 100 almost every day. We did find a
nice night in there, but we were one of the only boats out until the
sun dropped.
We're sailing today...looks great out there!


RB
35s5
NY