Maxi's Boat
 

My boat not only cost more than yours, it's now worth far more than
yours.
Yours is depreciating, while mine is appreciating, and demand for
gorgeous,
supremely-equipped examples like Clover mean she's sold before I make
the
decision to part with her.


Tell us again which boat you have so we can all see what it costs.
BTW, you're wrong about the 35s5 depreciating. Prices for them have
gone up over the last 5 years. A very nice 35s5 in about the same shape
as mine with better sails, but no air conditioning and no custom teak
interior sold for 71K recently. Prices more typically fall in the
57-67K range, but 35s5's were selling in the low 50's just 5 years ago.
People who like a 33.7 or 36.7, can spend less on one of earlier boats
and still get a fast boat with an even nicer interior. This has pulled
up the used market for First series boats. It's done the same thing for
the late 80's early 90's C&Cs as well...and to an even greater extent
because those boats are more rare. Regarding demand, all of the 35s5's
we looked at have been sold and almost all that I saw on Yachtworld
showed "deal pending" and then were sold. Seems demand is high compared
to the regular Beneteau boats.
So which boat do you have?


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

Charlie Morgan wrote:
He has an old Seasprite 34. Sort of an imitation CD36 but less.

Bill Luders never designed a boat that is anything like any
Cape Dory.

DSK

Maxi's Boat
 

Thanks!
Yeah, I remember now...the Seasprite. They go for high 30's to mid
40's. Nice boat if you have time for upkeep and slow sailing.
But it isn't more expensive than mine and it's value shows no signs of
increasing as mine has.
This one on Yachtworld looks really nice and sold with ASKING price of
just 42K.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1791&url =

So much for that, Maxi!!!!
But why lie about it? You have a nice boat and her value is a relative
thing considering the type and age. Is my boat "better" than a 18 foot
Marshall Catboat? Apples and Oranges, dude.
Grow up.


RB
35s5
NY

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That's a beautiful boat!

SV





http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...llDetails.jsp;
jsessionid=cW03Zg6-M1X9?boat_id=1491250&ybw=&units=Feet&curr
ency=USD&access=Public&listing_id=1791&url=

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Scotty wrote:
That's a beautiful boat!



Compared to your nautical outhouse, it sure is!


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Thanks!
Yeah, I remember now...the Seasprite. They go for high 30's to mid
40's. Nice boat if you have time for upkeep and slow sailing.
But it isn't more expensive than mine and it's value shows no signs of
increasing as mine has.
This one on Yachtworld looks really nice and sold with ASKING price of
just 42K.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1791&url =

So much for that, Maxi!!!!
But why lie about it? You have a nice boat and her value is a relative
thing considering the type and age. Is my boat "better" than a 18 foot
Marshall Catboat? Apples and Oranges, dude.

Bottom line: I've been offered more than you paid for your boat. Nuf said.



Grow up.

Oh, that's ripe. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


Max

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:34:37 -0400, DSK wrote:

Charlie Morgan wrote:
He has an old Seasprite 34. Sort of an imitation CD36 but less.

Bill Luders never designed a boat that is anything like any
Cape Dory.

DSK

I agree that the Sea Sprite is no Cape Dory! Thanks for the backup,
Doug.

Once again, BB, you have demonstrated clearly to this NG that Whitworth Boy
is as clueless as Bubbles when it comes to boats, motorcyles, and such. And
I really find your use of a great man's name repugnant. Then again, you're
generally repugnant, so it comes as no surprise.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Scotty wrote:
That's a beautiful boat!



Compared to your nautical outhouse, it sure is!

Ya know, Bubbles, I've told you in the past that I happen to like your boat.
It certainly has some redeeming features, but it ain't ever gonna win no
beauty contest. You're living in a rather vulnerable glass house here.

Max

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Maxprop wrote:

Once again, BB, you have demonstrated clearly to this NG that Whitworth Boy
is as clueless as Bubbles when it comes to boats, motorcyles, and such. And
I really find your use of a great man's name repugnant. Then again, you're
generally repugnant, so it comes as no surprise.

Max


Did some ass-licking **** named Jeff Coppes just ask for me?

BB

Maxi's Boat
 

Bottom line: I've been offered more than you paid for your boat. Nuf
said.



Dude, if someone offered anywhere near 60K for your boat and you didn't
take it, that is a sad sad story. You must know that such a price would
be far above average even for a S34 in show condition. You can have a
lot of nicer boats than yours for that kind of money.


-your boat won't win any beauty contests

In most aspects of more classical boat design, you're mostly right. But
we do get a lot of compliments. I myself prefer the looks of most older
boats, so the 35s5 is a compromise in that respect. On the other hand
her hull is nicely shaped and her cabin trunk tapered and unique.
Compared to most other "modern" designs she has an interesting look
that most find attractive. Even more striking perhaps were the later
versions with UFO ports and I don't find that unatractive either. My
idea of a beautiful boat currently in production....Robin Hood
(formerly the Cape Dory 36), Alerion 37 Yawl (maybe these aren't built
now) and some of those Marshall cats....but as for modern boats most
prefer my 35s5 over any modern Catalina, Pearson, Beneteau Oceanus,
Hunter, Express, J Boat and so on.
But no matter. The great thing about boats is that they need only be
beautiful in the eyes of their masters. The boat who is beautiful to
everyone is the most generic.
This all just drives poor Scott Vermon out his little mind. Think of
the things sought after in a yacht....beauty, sailing performance,
craftsmanship. None of the these are found on his boat.


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

Bottom line: I've been offered more than you paid for your boat. Nuf
said.


C'mon, Maxi. If some whacko offers you 15-25K above market it's rare
and you know it. You're not going to be able to get 60K for the
Seasprite based on some previous offer. True values are usually well
below 45K for ANY Seasprite and no one pays much for 2nd hand
electronics these days.
Now get over yourself!

Maxi...if you ever get down this way come for a sail. The 35s5 is a
blast and there's good company (I mean Suzanne and Thomas of course.)

RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Bottom line: I've been offered more than you paid for your boat. Nuf
said.



Dude, if someone offered anywhere near 60K for your boat and you didn't
take it, that is a sad sad story. You must know that such a price would
be far above average even for a S34 in show condition. You can have a
lot of nicer boats than yours for that kind of money.

I've rejected over $70k for it--twice. I paid more than you paid for yours
for it. BUC prices and your value formulas are irrelavant when pricing such
boats. The market controls the price paid for such boats, and around here
there is high demand for traditional, good-looking boats, and a virtually
non-existent supply. The fact that mine is a pristine factory boat with
every conceivable upgrade and addition only makes it more desirable. The
survey we commissioned when we bought it specifies a new-boat replacement
cost in excess of $200K.

-your boat won't win any beauty contests

In most aspects of more classical boat design, you're mostly right. But
we do get a lot of compliments. I myself prefer the looks of most older
boats, so the 35s5 is a compromise in that respect. On the other hand
her hull is nicely shaped and her cabin trunk tapered and unique.
Compared to most other "modern" designs she has an interesting look
that most find attractive.

Is that what people tell you: "my that's an . . . interesting-looking
boat"?

Even more striking perhaps were the later
versions with UFO ports and I don't find that unatractive either. My
idea of a beautiful boat currently in production....Robin Hood
(formerly the Cape Dory 36), Alerion 37 Yawl (maybe these aren't built
now) and some of those Marshall cats....but as for modern boats most
prefer my 35s5 over any modern Catalina, Pearson, Beneteau Oceanus,
Hunter, Express, J Boat and so on.
But no matter. The great thing about boats is that they need only be
beautiful in the eyes of their masters. The boat who is beautiful to
everyone is the most generic.

The people who compliment our boat are generally those with better, more
attractive boats of their own, such as similar CCA-type boats, Grand Banks
trawlers, or high-end boats such as Swans and Aldens. Most Hunter and
Catalina owners just stare at it, clueless, wondering what it is.

Max

Maxi's Boat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Bottom line: I've been offered more than you paid for your boat. Nuf
said.


C'mon, Maxi. If some whacko offers you 15-25K above market it's rare
and you know it.

Open your eyes, Bubbles. "Market" varies from locale to locale. As you
pointed out, there are lots of such boats where you are. Here there are
almost none, and the demand for them is high. Brokers leave their cards
under my dodger, with a note stating that they have buyers for my boat.

You're not going to be able to get 60K for the
Seasprite based on some previous offer. True values are usually well
below 45K for ANY Seasprite and no one pays much for 2nd hand
electronics these days.
Now get over yourself!

We have another SS34 in our port, an owner-finished one, albeit a beautiful
job inside and out, at the marina next door. The guy paid $66K for it in
Maine, and I think he got a bargain. So does he. His is a masthead cutter
rig with a bowsprit that really doesn't look right on a CCA-type boat, but
it is functional and sails well. His equipment is minimal, but in good
condition.

Max

Maxi's Boat
 

Open your eyes, Bubbles. "Market" varies from locale to locale. As
you
pointed out, there are lots of such boats where you are. Here there
are
almost none, and the demand for them is high.


Maxi, you can tell all the stories you want, but your boat does not
cost more than mine and is unlikely to fetch more on the used market.
This is the first time anyone ever talked to me about a sailboat being
worth considerably more in one area near another. Any smart buyer
simply goes to where the better prices are and pays a bit more to ship
or sail home if he has time. I bought my 35s5 in Florida. My friend
bought his Tartan 37 in Maryland. Someone paid 77K for a 35s5 in Texas
last year. Does that mean 35s5's are worth that?
C'mon, Dude. No one is paying 60K for your boat. They can have a Cape
Dory 36 for that.


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

The people who compliment our boat are generally those with better,
more
attractive boats of their own, such as similar CCA-type boats, Grand
Banks
trawlers, or high-end boats such as Swans and Aldens. Most Hunter and
Catalina owners just stare at it, clueless, wondering what it is.


That's a sad statement for the sailors in your area. Most Catalin and
Hunter owners here already owned a boat like yours. In fact we have a
new Hunter 35 owner here who came out of a Alberg 35 Yawl (One of my
favorites). The young lady we sail with out of HYC restored a Pearson
Wanderer before buying a Catalina 32. Like me she has a new family and
wanted a superior platform to keep sailing. City Island and the whole
area is loaded with boats like yours and most people know what they
are.


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

I've rejected over $70k for it--twice.


Wow, dude. Now it's twice? You don't think that, days after you said
you had one offer, it sounds a bit suspect to change it to two?
The first season I had my C&C 32 a fellow stopped over. He loved C&C
boats and really liked Alien. He said he'd pay 35K for her in a
heartbeat. After my second season I let him know she was for sale..and
for less than 35K. Guess what? He didn't buy her.
You be sure to let us know when your boat sells for 70K plus...or
whatever, dude. Rock on.



RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

It's the hottest selling
color ever. Just go to any boat show and start counting the green
hulls. It's
astounding! EVERYBODY wants green.


LOL! But in all seriousness, I'm not attempting to denegrate Maxi's
boat. It's a classic hull and I love that people continue to sail and
maintain them. Green is no longer as popular, but it works for that
boat.
Maxi says he paid more than 57K for his boat. Lordy! I hope not. Maybe
HE is the second offer!



RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message
k.net...


-your boat won't win any beauty contests

In most aspects of more classical boat design, you're
mostly right. But
we do get a lot of compliments. I myself prefer the
looks of most older
boats, so the 35s5 is a compromise in that respect. On
the other hand
her hull is nicely shaped and her cabin trunk tapered
and unique.
Compared to most other "modern" designs she has an
interesting look
that most find attractive.

Is that what people tell you: "my that's an . . .
interesting-looking
boat"?



They say the same thing about a Mac26X.



--
Scotty
''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with
any degree of credibility, comment on the courage
of fellow sailors'' ....F.B.
http://tinyurl.com/pzdl8

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

The people who compliment our boat are generally those with better,
more
attractive boats of their own, such as similar CCA-type boats, Grand
Banks
trawlers, or high-end boats such as Swans and Aldens. Most Hunter and
Catalina owners just stare at it, clueless, wondering what it is.


That's a sad statement for the sailors in your area. Most Catalin and
Hunter owners here already owned a boat like yours. In fact we have a
new Hunter 35 owner here who came out of a Alberg 35 Yawl (One of my
favorites). The young lady we sail with out of HYC restored a Pearson
Wanderer before buying a Catalina 32. Like me she has a new family and
wanted a superior platform to keep sailing. City Island and the whole
area is loaded with boats like yours and most people know what they
are.

What ever gave you the impression that your area was anything like mine?

Max

Maxi's Boat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

I've rejected over $70k for it--twice.


Wow, dude. Now it's twice? You don't think that, days after you said
you had one offer, it sounds a bit suspect to change it to two?
The first season I had my C&C 32 a fellow stopped over. He loved C&C
boats and really liked Alien. He said he'd pay 35K for her in a
heartbeat. After my second season I let him know she was for sale..and
for less than 35K. Guess what? He didn't buy her.
You be sure to let us know when your boat sells for 70K plus...or
whatever, dude. Rock on.

I'll be sure to do that for ya, Bubbles. Not that you'll believe it. Not
that I care.

Max

Maxi's Boat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
Maxi says he paid more than 57K for his boat. Lordy! I hope not. Maybe
HE is the second offer!

That's all you paid for that Bendy? I thought they were more valuable than
that. However the photos show a pretty stripped, bare-bones boat, so I
guess it's not surprising.

I paid $62K for my boat six years ago. The surveyor thought it was a fair
price at worst, a bargain at best.

Max

Maxi's Boat
 

What ever gave you the impression that your area was anything like
mine?



I know it's not. Well maintained restored classics are commonplace
here. Sounds like you live in the land of Catalina over there.

RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

What ever gave you the impression that your area was anything like
mine?



I know it's not. Well maintained restored classics are commonplace
here. Sounds like you live in the land of Catalina over there.

Catalinas, Beneteaus, and Hunters. We have some nice boats, but they are
rare enough that when a new Moody or Hinckley sails into our area, they
attract sailors like flies to rotting meat.

The previous owner of our boat socked over $40K into her just before we
bought her. She attracts a lot of attention, so much so that we have
constant lurkers whenever we cruise to other ports. It can become annoying,
despite the compliments.

Max

Maxi's Boat
 

Ted Irwin built some of the flimsiest, most cheaply-constructed boats
in the
history of fiberglass. That said his 37/38 and larger cruisers are
very
popular with sailors here. Most are well-kept.


That was a Typo,...surprised no one spotted it, but then most folks
here really don't know boats. I was obviously refering to the Ericson
Indenpendence 31.


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

At this very moment in our club....Island Packet 35,

Relatively common here.



Really? Only 173 were built up until 1993.


Tartan 37,
We have lots of them around here. Not much interest in them at all,
and
they are difficult to sell unless in pristine condition with lots of
equipment. Most aren't.

Kinda like the Seasprite.


Beautiful and probably well-built. We have several Albergs here,
including
a 37.


Probably?


Bristol 27,
Nice smaller boat, but most are showing their age rather badly
nowadays.


Like any old unrestored boat?


Sweden 39,
A very nice, well-built boat.


But nowhere to sleep if you're over 5'11.


Southern Cross,
Same builder as my Sea Sprite 34: Clark E. Ryder.

Okay.


Pacific Seacraft Dana 24 and 33


The PS Dana is a great 24 footer, solid, and seaworthy. Probably too
expensive for most buyers of 24' boats.

You aint kidding.

To my knowledge, PS never built a
33' boat.


Correct...I meant the 31.


We have a few oldsters here, but most switch to trawlers or get out
of
boating altogether before they hit 70.


The owner of the Bristol 27 is 68. The owner of the Ericson 34 is 74!



The interior of that boat is what draws most comments. Either
people like
Phillipe Starcke's interiors, or they don't. I like 'em.


We get approached because the boat doesn't look like most others. Her
unusual aft section, squared off ports and sleek hull certainly nothing
like a Catalina or Hunter. You're right about the interior. People tend
to love it. I still prefer the main cabin layout of the C&C 32. I like
dinettes.


People simply love her
decks and interior. A boat like the Seasprite will always be admired
and I'm always happy to see the old boats, though I'm beyond the desire
to maintain or sail one now.


The most prominent boats are Hunters and Catalinas, with
Beneteaus coming in a near third.

How many are like mine? Most folks go for the Oceanus.


I'm looking at a '93 Sabre 38 in pristine condition, but the owner
will have to budge on his price a bit if we're to connect.

Nice boat, but I don't like the way they put the mast so far forward,
though it helps with the interior. It's an odd rig that is somewhat
underpowered. We had one here in brokerage that did not sell due to a
crazy price. Then it was repo'd!


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Ted Irwin built some of the flimsiest, most cheaply-constructed boats
in the
history of fiberglass. That said his 37/38 and larger cruisers are
very
popular with sailors here. Most are well-kept.


That was a Typo,...surprised no one spotted it, but then most folks
here really don't know boats. I was obviously refering to the Ericson
Indenpendence 31.

I wondered about that. I wasn't aware that Irwin built any such boat, and
was aware that Ericson had one, but I don't follow Irwins well enough to
know. I thought perhaps you meant a Citation 31. And that Ericson I-31 was
one seriously ugly boat.

Max

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 23:23:17 GMT, "Maxprop" said:

We have a few oldsters here, but most switch to trawlers or get out of
boating altogether before they hit 70.

Hmm. Back when I was looking I looked at a 27' Italian boat that was being
sold by an 89 year old owner. He decided he had finally gotten too old.

There are always exceptions to every rule. I used to skydive with an
oldtimer. Walt was in his late 60s when I began jumping, and he continued
for a few years after I quit. He was in his upper 80s when he died, and
some said he made a few jumps in the years between his 80th birthday and his
death.

Max

Maxi's Boat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

At this very moment in our club....Island Packet 35,

Relatively common here.



Really? Only 173 were built up until 1993.

That's a lot of boats. How many have been built to date is a more important
number. Most around here are newer. They all have the transom with
the--drum roll, please--swim platform.

Tartan 37,
We have lots of them around here. Not much interest in them at all,
and
they are difficult to sell unless in pristine condition with lots of
equipment. Most aren't.

Kinda like the Seasprite.

There were only 46 Sea Sprite 34 hulls built. We have two in our port, and
both are pristine. The other one is owner-finished, but very nicely done.
That said, he paid about $5K less for his than I did for mine. His is a
cutter with a big bowsprit, which looks really odd on a CCA-type boat. But
it's a very clean boat. I have no idea how most of the Sea Sprites are.
They were built in 23' (Alberg designed), 28', 30', and 34', the last three
designed by Bill Luders. And the vast majority of them are in New England.


Beautiful and probably well-built. We have several Albergs here,
including
a 37.


Probably?

I really don't know. I looked the 37' over carefully when it was for sale,
but found some issues with the construction that turned me off. I suspect
that overall the boats were probably built well, but it probably depends
more on who built them than on the designer. Alberg designs have been built
by several different companies and individuals over the decades.

Bristol 27,
Nice smaller boat, but most are showing their age rather badly
nowadays.


Like any old unrestored boat?

I've seen no restored Bristols here, except one that was "claimed" to have
been restored, but really just had some cosmetic spucing-up. It was like
the others--pretty rough and well-used.


Sweden 39,
A very nice, well-built boat.


But nowhere to sleep if you're over 5'11.

Maybe Swedes don't grow as big as you, Bubbles.

Southern Cross,
Same builder as my Sea Sprite 34: Clark E. Ryder.

Okay.


Pacific Seacraft Dana 24 and 33


The PS Dana is a great 24 footer, solid, and seaworthy. Probably too
expensive for most buyers of 24' boats.

You aint kidding.

To my knowledge, PS never built a
33' boat.


Correct...I meant the 31.

That's a nice, if small, design. I prefer the Crealock 34s and 37s, but the
31 is a great singlehander or couple's boat.

We have a few oldsters here, but most switch to trawlers or get out
of
boating altogether before they hit 70.


The owner of the Bristol 27 is 68. The owner of the Ericson 34 is 74!

We have a couple in our marina with a Tartan 34, both of whom are in their
seventies. We also have a couple who own a newish Hunter 410, and he just
turned 70 (they sail almost daily). We also had a dentist and his wife who
recently sold their Sabre 34, both of whom are in their upper 70s. You can
always find older sailors, but you'll find far more oldtimers in powerboats,
trawlers, or sitting at home watching the boob tube.


The interior of that boat is what draws most comments. Either
people like
Phillipe Starcke's interiors, or they don't. I like 'em.


We get approached because the boat doesn't look like most others. Her
unusual aft section, squared off ports and sleek hull certainly nothing
like a Catalina or Hunter. You're right about the interior. People tend
to love it. I still prefer the main cabin layout of the C&C 32. I like
dinettes.

I forgot to mention C&Cs, of which we have a lot around here. Most are
older and run-down, but we have a few newer ones on Lake Michigan now that
there is a dealership here again. The new ones look cheaply built compared
with the older ones.


People simply love her
decks and interior. A boat like the Seasprite will always be admired
and I'm always happy to see the old boats, though I'm beyond the desire
to maintain or sail one now.


The most prominent boats are Hunters and Catalinas, with
Beneteaus coming in a near third.

How many are like mine? Most folks go for the Oceanus.

There is a 38s5 in Chicago that I've seen from time to time. And there used
to be a 35s5 in our port until about three years ago. It was a wreck--the
owners raced it hard and never did any maintenance. It sold for less than
$30K, but it was junk and the sails--all 14 of 'em--were junk as well. We
do have quite a few First series boats on the Lake--most are in the 40' and
up range, but I've seen a couple of 36.7s in Chicago, and those boats are
really fast for their lengths. Lots of the Firsts are older, say from the
late 80s through the mid-90s.

I'm looking at a '93 Sabre 38 in pristine condition, but the owner
will have to budge on his price a bit if we're to connect.

Nice boat, but I don't like the way they put the mast so far forward,
though it helps with the interior. It's an odd rig that is somewhat
underpowered. We had one here in brokerage that did not sell due to a
crazy price. Then it was repo'd!

I've sailed this one and it certainly seems like a good sailor to me. It's
relatively fast, weatherly, sails off the wind very well, and PHRFs about
the same as your boat, but is heavy enough to have a gentle motion in a
seaway. This one won't be repo'd--the owner paid cash for it in '93. It's
pristine, but overpriced.

Max

Maxi's Boat
 

I thought perhaps you meant a Citation 31. And that Ericson I-31 was
one seriously ugly boat.



Check it out, Maxi....pretty nice looking cruiser.

http://bajayachts.com/ericson-31/ima...cson-31-01.gif

http://e31.no-ip.com/photos.asp?imag...ort%20view.jpg

Just 73 were built....They also built this 36 foot model...and I
actually toyed with buying one for a while!

http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/5/...?1152304459000

They are rare to market and I could not find a good example.


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

Really? Only 173 were built up until 1993.
That's a lot of boats. How many have been built to date is a more
important
number.

IP redesigned the boat after that and newer models sail much better in
a wider range of conditions. 173 were built.


I really don't know. I looked the 37' over carefully when it was
for sale,
but found some issues with the construction that turned me off. I
suspect
that overall the boats were probably built well, but it probably
depends
more on who built them than on the designer. Alberg designs have been
built
by several different companies and individuals over the decades.


Some 37s are rougher than others. I'll tell you this...she sails like a
dream.


Maybe Swedes don't grow as big as you, Bubbles.


Finding a boat where a 6'3 person can sleep happily is a challenge. And
finding one that can handle a couple who prefers to be sexually active
aboard is yet another challenge. The 35s5 was one of the few...and
still not perfect.

You can
always find older sailors, but you'll find far more oldtimers in
powerboats,
trawlers, or sitting at home watching the boob tube.

It's only the "boob" tube if you're watching boobs on it. We watched
The Naked Jungle last night with friends. You can't beat a good killer
ant movie!


I forgot to mention C&Cs, of which we have a lot around here. Most
are
older and run-down, but we have a few newer ones on Lake Michigan now
that
there is a dealership here again. The new ones look cheaply built
compared
with the older ones.

There are a ton of old C&Cs out there, just like Pearsons. The newer
C&Cs were certainly from a company that was struggling for a foothold.
The C&C 34XL may be not as well built or designed below like my 35s5,
but it's really fast and fun to sail.


I've sailed this one and it certainly seems like a good sailor to
me. It's
relatively fast, weatherly, sails off the wind very well, and PHRFs
about
the same as your boat, but is heavy enough to have a gentle motion in a

seaway. This one won't be repo'd--the owner paid cash for it in '93.
It's
pristine, but overpriced.


What's overpriced? The one we had was priced way too high at 169K, then
dropped to 149K where it did attract some interest, but too late for
the owner. That was 3 years ago and I don't think the value had
adjusted much. A realy clean Sabre 38 should be worth 140K easily and
10K more for a super-nice example.


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
That was a Typo,...

You mean, you didn't Google it before posting

Maxprop wrote:
I wondered about that. I wasn't aware that Irwin built any such boat, and
was aware that Ericson had one, but I don't follow Irwins well enough to
know.

A bunch of Irwins were in production under different names.
Ted Irwin was a good designer and a great sailor; don't know
what went wrong with his boat company... caved in to the
beancounters, maybe.


... And that Ericson I-31 was
one seriously ugly boat.


You need your eyes checked. Bruce King has never designed an
ugly boat in his life.

DSK

Maxi's Boat
 

That was a Typo,...


You mean, you didn't Google it before posting


Sorry, Doug, but I've actually been aboard the 31 and you haven't. I
sailed Argo several times in fact...slow, but comfy. You were trying to
sell that Hunter 19 at the time to pursue powerboating!



RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

You need your eyes checked. Bruce King has never designed an
ugly boat in his life.


Perhaps not "ugly" but didn't King design the Ericson 39 flush deck in
the early 70's? I was always fond of it and it's fast for it's day, but
it's all-hull high freeboard design takes a bit of getting used to in
person.
Google it, Doug. I bet you were never aboard one of those either. The
one I sailed was fully restored by her owner, then he sold her and
decided to buy her back a year later at a much higher price.

RB
35s5
NY

Maxi's Boat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

What's overpriced? The one we had was priced way too high at 169K, then
dropped to 149K where it did attract some interest, but too late for
the owner. That was 3 years ago and I don't think the value had
adjusted much. A realy clean Sabre 38 should be worth 140K easily and
10K more for a super-nice example.

The asking price is $175K. It's a fresh-water boat, which generally brings
more, but not that much more.

Max

Maxi's Boat
 

The asking price is $175K. It's a fresh-water boat, which generally
brings
more, but not that much more.


Yep, that's too much to be sure. He sounds like he has his head in the
clouds or really doesn't want to sell.


RB
35s5
NY