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What's disappointing is that Bubbles hooked so many of you into them.

Next he'll be bragging about the new bone china and Waterford crystal that
he just bought. And everyone will be jumping up to take the hook.

Max

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In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:
What's disappointing is that Bubbles hooked so many of you into them.

Next he'll be bragging about the new bone china and Waterford crystal that
he just bought. And everyone will be jumping up to take the hook.

I have some nice Swarovski pieces....

--
Capt. JG @@
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Next he'll be bragging about the new bone china and Waterford crystal
that
he just bought.


Max, the China (it isn't) is actually Seal bone and was originally in
the Museum of Natural History's Frozen Tundra exhibit in the late 60's.
My father gave it to us when we were married. Suzanne doesn't like it,
so it will be included in an auction after my father dies one day far
off. We had it appraised at 30-35K. We also have a Egyptian pottery
piece which we will probably donate to a museum It's insured for 100K
and can be seen in several books.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Next he'll be bragging about the new bone china and Waterford crystal
that
he just bought.


Max, the China (it isn't) is actually Seal bone and was originally in
the Museum of Natural History's Frozen Tundra exhibit in the late 60's.
My father gave it to us when we were married. Suzanne doesn't like it,
so it will be included in an auction after my father dies one day far
off. We had it appraised at 30-35K. We also have a Egyptian pottery
piece which we will probably donate to a museum It's insured for 100K
and can be seen in several books.

Hooked you faster than a bluegill hungry for a worm.

Cha-ching.

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote:
What's disappointing is that Bubbles hooked so many of you into them.

Next he'll be bragging about the new bone china and Waterford crystal that
he just bought. And everyone will be jumping up to take the hook.

I agree with you, Max. It's gotten so bad that I don't have time to keep up
anymore. Lost my "fun" with the newsgroup because of the "bubble trolls".

I know there are many here that enjoyed the banter, until it has become
"below the belt" so to speak. Just read Snotty or Ganz.

LP

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

Hooked you faster than a bluegill hungry for a worm.


Yep, but those bowls are worth more than your boat. Hey, I notice you
never answered about your funny claim that your boat costs what mine
does!
Now THAT was a hook!

Yes, I did. You claimed my boat was a Seafarer, which it isn't. As usual
you were clueless. Apparently you chose to "miss" my response.

My boat not only cost more than yours, it's now worth far more than yours.
Yours is depreciating, while mine is appreciating, and demand for gorgeous,
supremely-equipped examples like Clover mean she's sold before I make the
decision to part with her.

Max

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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
news:KQdAg.1747$W01.1746@dukeread08...

"Maxprop" wrote:
What's disappointing is that Bubbles hooked so many of
you into them.

Next he'll be bragging about the new bone china and
Waterford crystal that
he just bought. And everyone will be jumping up to take
the hook.

I agree with you, Max. It's gotten so bad that I don't
have time to keep up
anymore. Lost my "fun" with the newsgroup because of the
"bubble trolls".


Well at least some good came out of it.

S

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
news:KQdAg.1747$W01.1746@dukeread08...

"Maxprop" wrote:
What's disappointing is that Bubbles hooked so many of
you into them.

Next he'll be bragging about the new bone china and
Waterford crystal that
he just bought. And everyone will be jumping up to take
the hook.

I agree with you, Max. It's gotten so bad that I don't
have time to keep up
anymore. Lost my "fun" with the newsgroup because of the
"bubble trolls".


Well at least some good came out of it.

S






BITE ME!

LP

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:36:30 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Hooked you faster than a bluegill hungry for a worm.


Yep, but those bowls are worth more than your boat. Hey, I notice you
never answered about your funny claim that your boat costs what mine
does!
Now THAT was a hook!

Yes, I did. You claimed my boat was a Seafarer, which it isn't. As usual
you were clueless. Apparently you chose to "miss" my response.

My boat not only cost more than yours, it's now worth far more than yours.
Yours is depreciating, while mine is appreciating, and demand for
gorgeous,
supremely-equipped examples like Clover mean she's sold before I make the
decision to part with her.

Max


The last SeaSprite sold on Yacht World sat for a very long time. The
asking
price was 57,500. It finally sold for $42,500.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatFullDetails.jsp;jsessionid=cW03Zg6-M1X9?boat_id=1491250&ybw=&units=Feet&currency=USD& access=Public&listing_id=1791&url=

CWM

You, too, appear to be clueless, BB.

There were only 46 SS34s built, and the majority were owner-finished boats.
The few factory-finished ones were mostly earlier numbers, below 20, and
they were considerably superior to the owner-finished examples for a variety
of reasons. They command substantially higher prices as a rule, of course
condition can be a mitigating factor. Mine is factory and exceptionally
well-equipped, including all the electronic bells and whistles, such as
radar, color graphic chart plotter/GPS, autopilot, sail instruments, etc.
The list of options and upgrades would take several pages of 8x10 paper to
list. And the boat's condition is bristol.

But of course nothing is worth more than someone is willing to pay for it.
I currently have two anxious would-be buyers, both with cash in hand,
who've offered me more than I paid for it, which is fortunate because the
BUC prices reflect boats that have sold over a period of time, and all of
them have been owner-finished examples with limited equipment and ample
problems. Good examples of any boat sell quickly--poor examples take
forever to sell, but eventually do.

Max

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"Charlie Krusty Morgan" wrote


I hear that there has been so much attention being paid,
and mention
made, that BB is thinking about coming back to ASA. He
didn't realise
that everyone would miss him so much. He thought they
would be glad he
left. That's apparently not the case. Keep yapping.


Oh, so you *do* know our resident asshole.
Tell me, do you 'talk' to him very often?
Does he answer you back?
Ever get into an argument with 'him'?

Bwahahahaha

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Oh, so you *do* know our resident asshole.


I won't stand for anyone bashing Doug like that. He's not just the
resident asshole, he's honorary scum.


RB
35s5
NY

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Scotty wrote:
"Charlie Krusty Morgan" wrote


I hear that there has been so much attention being paid,
and mention
made, that BB is thinking about coming back to ASA. He
didn't realise
that everyone would miss him so much. He thought they
would be glad he
left. That's apparently not the case. Keep yapping.


Oh, so you *do* know our resident asshole.
Tell me, do you 'talk' to him very often?
Does he answer you back?
Ever get into an argument with 'him'?

Bwahahahaha

He's been busted so many times he should come back as a puppet named
Kia.

Joe

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Bwahahahahaha!



RB
35s5
NY

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...


That boat was much newer than yours and after two years on the market,
finally sold for 42,500. NO clues needed.

Once again your cluelessness is apparent. Age is virtually irrelevant in
older boats. Condition, equipment, upgrades, and maintenance are
everything. Then again you'd probably by a beat up two-year old boat
because it was newer than an immaculate five-year old one with loads of
extras.

That boat had a big
advantage over yours because they didn't have to find someone who
liked the boat and could also accept a hull that had been painted
green. That would turn off a lot of potential buyers as surely as if
it was painted hot pink.

Flag blue and forest green are the two most popular topside colors today,
according to Practical Sailor. Tartan hasn't sold more than a handful of
white hulls in the past six years. Clueless as usual.

I hear that there has been so much attention being paid, and mention
made, that BB is thinking about coming back to ASA. He didn't realise
that everyone would miss him so much. He thought they would be glad he
left. That's apparently not the case. Keep yapping.

We miss him like the bubonic plague, smallpox, and polio.

Max

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Once again your cluelessness is apparent. Age is virtually irrelevant
in
older boats. Condition, equipment, upgrades, and maintenance are
everything. Then again you'd probably by a beat up two-year old boat
because it was newer than an immaculate five-year old one with loads of

extras.



Maxi, you may be impressed with extras. But brokers know that when you
buy a nice piece of electronics, it's usually going to be a "gift" for
the new owner. Electronics turnover is faster than ever now and prices
continue to drop. Unless you sell before the electronics are 2-3 years
old, they will be deemed "old" and an educated buyer won't pay for
them. I know I didn't.


Flag blue and forest green are the two most popular topside colors
today,
according to Practical Sailor. Tartan hasn't sold more than a handful
of
white hulls in the past six years. Clueless as usual.

Painted boats, even classic ones, can be effected by age of paint
regardless of the job quality. As a broker I know that a top level
paint job could be a problem for buyers if it's more than 7-8 years
old. Again, educated buyers will know that the paint may be coming to
the end of it's lifecycle.
Maxi, outside of your stories, there's just not a single ounce of
evidence to support your nice story about the S34's value. It's a nice
boat though.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Once again your cluelessness is apparent. Age is virtually irrelevant
in
older boats. Condition, equipment, upgrades, and maintenance are
everything. Then again you'd probably by a beat up two-year old boat
because it was newer than an immaculate five-year old one with loads of

extras.



Maxi, you may be impressed with extras. But brokers know that when you
buy a nice piece of electronics, it's usually going to be a "gift" for
the new owner. Electronics turnover is faster than ever now and prices
continue to drop. Unless you sell before the electronics are 2-3 years
old, they will be deemed "old" and an educated buyer won't pay for
them. I know I didn't.

Who's talking about electronics? I'm referring to myriad other upgrades.
Electronics may help you sell a boat, but they won't add much to the asking
price. For a supposed broker you are rather uninformed.

Flag blue and forest green are the two most popular topside colors
today,
according to Practical Sailor. Tartan hasn't sold more than a handful
of
white hulls in the past six years. Clueless as usual.


Painted boats, even classic ones, can be effected by age of paint
regardless of the job quality. As a broker I know that a top level
paint job could be a problem for buyers if it's more than 7-8 years
old. Again, educated buyers will know that the paint may be coming to
the end of it's lifecycle.
Maxi, outside of your stories, there's just not a single ounce of
evidence to support your nice story about the S34's value. It's a nice
boat though.

Any need to support my testimony to you would imply that I care what you
think.

Max

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 02:58:26 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
. ..


That boat was much newer than yours and after two years on the market,
finally sold for 42,500. NO clues needed.

Once again your cluelessness is apparent. Age is virtually irrelevant in
older boats.

That will come as quite a surprise to the entire industry!

Nope. Only to the habitually clueless, such as yourself.


Condition, equipment, upgrades, and maintenance are
everything. Then again you'd probably by a beat up two-year old boat
because it was newer than an immaculate five-year old one with loads of
extras.

That boat had a big
advantage over yours because they didn't have to find someone who
liked the boat and could also accept a hull that had been painted
green. That would turn off a lot of potential buyers as surely as if
it was painted hot pink.

Flag blue and forest green are the two most popular topside colors today,
according to Practical Sailor.

Practical Sailor? Bwhahahahahahahahaha!

Tartan hasn't sold more than a handful of
white hulls in the past six years. Clueless as usual.


They've probably sold a lot more white hulls than GREEN ones. It's a color
that
puts a lot of people off. It's in the same category as black hulls as far
as
saleability.

The word "probably" clearly indicates that you are clueless.

I hear that there has been so much attention being paid, and mention
made, that BB is thinking about coming back to ASA. He didn't realise
that everyone would miss him so much. He thought they would be glad he
left. That's apparently not the case. Keep yapping.

We miss him like the bubonic plague, smallpox, and polio.


Then keep mentioning him. He's glad you can't seem to forget him and move
on. It
makes him think he should come back. It would improve the group, wouldn't
it?
You must think so, since you miss his presense so much. So far we seem to
have
at least three regulars voting for his return. Sounds sort of like a
mandate.

Sure, bring him back. The worthless, ****-for-brains idiot is an easy
target in ASA.

Max

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Who's talking about electronics?


Uh, you were. It helps to remember previous posts, Maxi. You spoke of
your boat with all the electronics and bells and whistles.


I'm referring to myriad other upgrades.

That's nice, but few make much difference. Which ones...solid vang?
Hydro-backstay?


Electronics may help you sell a boat, but they won't add much to the
asking
price. For a supposed broker you are rather uninformed.

Maxi repeats what I say, then calls me uninformed!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!


Any need to support my testimony to you would imply that I care what you
think.


Well if that's the case STOP responding to these obvious trolls and be
a man for once in your life.
Meanwhile, THIS example is EXCELLENT and sold below 50K.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1791&url =


RB
35s5
NY

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"Rusty Morgan" wrote
.

Oh, and please thank Dung King for posting a photo online
with his house number
clearly showing on it!


So what? It's not like you're going to show up at his house
you cowardly piece of ****.

SV

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Well if that's the case STOP responding to these obvious trolls and be
a man for once in your life.
Meanwhile, THIS example is EXCELLENT and sold below 50K.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1791&url =

Not bad for an owner-finished boat with no equipment, dated canvas and not
much of it, or upgrades. A factory boat would have brought an additional
$10K. to $15K Add $40K of upgrades, including new sails, to it and it would
have brought at least another $10K.

Thanks for supporting my argument.

Max

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Not bad for an owner-finished boat with no equipment, dated canvas and
not
much of it, or upgrades. A factory boat would have brought an
additional
$10K. to $15K Add $40K of upgrades, including new sails, to it and it
would
have brought at least another $10K.

Thanks for supporting my argument.


Sorry, Maxi. There is no info, data or links to even hint at what you
claim. Until you can produce ANYTHING showing your boat has a value
over 60K in the real world, you're just telling stories.
I'd much rather have a Tartan 37 for that price, and so would most savy
sailors. I'm doing a canvas job for one at my club and it's beautiful
and faster than your boat, not to mention a cruising legend.
So stop your tall tales and produce some facts or just be happy with
your boat and stop trying to justify it's value with price. It's sad.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Not bad for an owner-finished boat with no equipment, dated canvas and
not
much of it, or upgrades. A factory boat would have brought an
additional
$10K. to $15K Add $40K of upgrades, including new sails, to it and it
would
have brought at least another $10K.

Thanks for supporting my argument.


Sorry, Maxi. There is no info, data or links to even hint at what you
claim. Until you can produce ANYTHING showing your boat has a value
over 60K in the real world, you're just telling stories.
I'd much rather have a Tartan 37 for that price, and so would most savy
sailors. I'm doing a canvas job for one at my club and it's beautiful
and faster than your boat, not to mention a cruising legend.
So stop your tall tales and produce some facts or just be happy with
your boat and stop trying to justify it's value with price. It's sad.

It's true. That you don't believe it matter not one whit, primarily because
you aren't the one who will eventually buy this boat, nor will you have any
influence on the potential buyer.

What is significant is that in another five years my boat will still be
worth $60K+ and yours will be just another Beneteau with its healthy
depreciation, worth around $35K, give or take. Unless you add some
Sunbrella canvas and some serious upgrades, like a windlass, solar panels,
inverter, new sails, and on and on ad nauseum, your boat will be hard to
sell as well.

So much for the vaunted 35s5.

Max

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It's true. That you don't believe it matter not one whit, primarily
because
you aren't the one who will eventually buy this boat, nor will you have
any
influence on the potential buyer.


No one believes it because there's no evidence to support it. Every
Seasprite online is selling for much less. But you have the magic
Seasprite, right? These are stories that work on some dumb buyers, but
most don't fall for it. You're right about one thing, I won't ever buy
that boat. There are better choices, even in it's range and age. I'd
take a Tartan 37 over it 100%.

What is significant is that in another five years my boat will still
be
worth $60K+ and yours will be just another Beneteau with its healthy
depreciation, worth around $35K, give or take.

This pretty much proves you are clueless about the market. The 35s5 has
gone up in value over 5 years as prices for newer First series boats
went up. Care to explain how it will drop by nearly half in 5 years?
With sailboats depreciation is closely linked to current new market IF
the company is still around. Witness the 35s5, 38s5, 35.5, C&C 34+,
along with some Tartans and Sabres.
5 years ago you could buy a nice clean 35s5 for 45-50K. Check the
average selling prices now.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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It's true. That you don't believe it matter not one whit, primarily
because
you aren't the one who will eventually buy this boat, nor will you have
any
influence on the potential buyer.


No one believes it because there's no evidence to support it.

Only you and that wizard of wizards, BB.

Every
Seasprite online is selling for much less. But you have the magic
Seasprite, right? These are stories that work on some dumb buyers, but
most don't fall for it. You're right about one thing, I won't ever buy
that boat. There are better choices, even in it's range and age. I'd
take a Tartan 37 over it 100%.

Good for you. You're not the type to want a traditional CCA-style boat, so
I wouldn't expect you to buy a SS. My wife told me tonight that she recalls
a SS34 recently on yachtworld.com that was well-equipped and listed for
$65K. She further stated that it was only listed for a short time, implying
that the owner either pulled it or sold it. Tends to dispel your
contentions about the boat.


What is significant is that in another five years my boat will still
be
worth $60K+ and yours will be just another Beneteau with its healthy
depreciation, worth around $35K, give or take.

This pretty much proves you are clueless about the market. The 35s5 has
gone up in value over 5 years as prices for newer First series boats
went up. Care to explain how it will drop by nearly half in 5 years?

Sure. It's a Beneteau, it's newer, and it's still depreciating. I've seen
no evidence that they have been appreciating, and the trend with boats in
the same general category and age as yours is that they will continue to
depreciate up to a point. If you use your boat without making constant
improvements and upgrades, it will depreciate. Mine probably would as well,
were we not making consistent upgrades.

With sailboats depreciation is closely linked to current new market IF
the company is still around. Witness the 35s5, 38s5, 35.5, C&C 34+,
along with some Tartans and Sabres.

Which are generally depreciating, the newer Tartans and Sabres perhaps
excepted. These are in a quality range substantially above your Beneteau,
and the newest boats keep going up in price. Beneteau has held the line
pretty well on price, but then they are boats built to a price, not a
cost-is-no-object boat. As I said, a boat with no upgrades and heavy use
will continue to depreciate, regardless of who made it.

5 years ago you could buy a nice clean 35s5 for 45-50K. Check the
average selling prices now.

I recall looking at them a while back and I don't recall any of them in that
price range. They cost around $90K to $100K new and are slightly above half
that now.

Max

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$65K. She further stated that it was only listed for a short time,
implying
that the owner either pulled it or sold it. Tends to dispel your
contentions about the boat.


What nonsense. Didn't you note that the Yachtworld ad I googled up was
old? You can find these ads after their pulled via google, so where is
that RECENT ad?
I've never heard more BS with no evidence since the OJ trial!


RB
35s5
NY

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote


A Tartan or Sabre has nothing on a Beneteau


Bwahahahahah

I think I'll post this on the Tartan group.





--
Scotty
''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with
any degree of credibility, comment on the courage
of fellow sailors'' ....F.B.
http://tinyurl.com/pzdl8

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I think I'll post this on the Tartan group.




Ever sail a Tartan 34, Scotty? Did you ever look at the interior fit
and finish or stand at the helm with the backstay against your head if
you're taller than 5'10?
Please post it to the Tartan group, you coward!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


RB
35s5
NY

Scotty: the biggest ass ever in ASA
 

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha


I'm on the Tartan list, Vermon. Awaiting your post.



RB
35s5
NY

the biggest fish ever in ASA
 

Damn this fish has a big mouth, and so many hooks in it.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha


--
"Swab Rob" wrote

I think I'll post this on the Tartan group.




Ever sail a Tartan 34, Scotty? Did you ever look at the
interior fit
and finish or stand at the helm with the backstay against
your head if
you're taller than 5'10?
Please post it to the Tartan group, you coward!


RB, ''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with
any degree of credibility, comment on the courage
of fellow sailors'' ....F.B.
http://tinyurl.com/pzdl8

the biggest ass fish ever in ASA
 

Stop jumping into my boat! You stink !



--
"Swab Rob" wrote
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha


I'm a Tart . Awaiting your post.



RB
''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with
any degree of credibility, comment on the courage
of fellow sailors'' ....F.B.
http://tinyurl.com/pzdl8

the biggest fish ever in ASA
 

Nutsy,

You wrote;...interior fit
and finish or stand at the helm with the backstay against
your head if
you're taller than 5'10? ----------.

Did it ever occur to you to sit down? You can in a Tartan you know.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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$65K. She further stated that it was only listed for a short time,
implying
that the owner either pulled it or sold it. Tends to dispel your
contentions about the boat.


What nonsense. Didn't you note that the Yachtworld ad I googled up was
old? You can find these ads after their pulled via google, so where is
that RECENT ad?
I've never heard more BS with no evidence since the OJ trial!

Sorry, she said it was SOUNDINGS, not yachtworld.com. Either way, my wife
does not prevaricate.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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If you use your boat without making constant
improvements and upgrades, it will depreciate. Mine probably would as
well,
were we not making consistent upgrades.


Your boat has hit it's market plateau. It should not drop if you
maintain her. The 35s5 has not hit a plateau and was driven up because
she is modern enough to still give a buyer much of what newer designs
have. If Beneteau prices make another jump that can bring up her value
like it did a few years ago.

A temporary phenomenon at best. The 35s5 will still depreciate, as you've
implied by "not" hitting "a plateau."

Which are generally depreciating, the newer Tartans and Sabres
perhaps
excepted. These are in a quality range substantially above your
Beneteau


A Tartan or Sabre has nothing on a Beneteau 35s5, Maxi.

LOL. Hogwash. Tartans and Sabres are built to a specification, price
notwithstanding. Beneteaus are built to a price, specifications
notwithstanding. Big difference. Huge difference. Beneteau cuts corners
to achieve a price point. Personally I think Catalina builds a more solid,
better-finished boat these days than Beneteau. The last 393 we looked at
had so many joinerwork flaws as to be ugly below.

You still have
not investigated this. The 35s5 was part of Beneteau's attempt to build
a boat on a higher level. Her fit and finish is ABOVE a Sabre or Tartan
of the same age.

Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I've seen your boat and I've seen
Tartans and Sabres, and there is a substantial difference. If you honestly
believe that Beneteau built your boat to a "higher standard" you are guilty
of believing your own BS and hype.

We looked at plenty. Beneteau was serious about the
effort and had her interiors made overseas. The 35s5's cost when new
and outfitted was to (sic) high though.

During the same period similarly-sized Ericsons, Tartans, Sabres, Island
Packets, and others all sold for more. Beneteau may have overpriced the
Starcke boats, but they were still not in the same league as the ones I've
mentioned. And I doubt if you'd be able to convince anyone but Suzy of your
contention.

Both surveyors noted that the 35s5
was built above the standard of Oceanus

That's akin to saying that a Ford Festiva is built above the standard of a
Yugo.

and current first boats. I
suggest you step aboard a new First 36.7, then check out a 35s5. The
35s5 is far beyond it in quality by a country mile.

Can't see it. Didn't then, don't now. But feel free to delude yourself.
After all you own one of those "high standard" boats.

I recall looking at them a while back and I don't recall any of them
in that
price range. They cost around $90K to $100K new and are slightly above
half
that now.

A fully geared up 35s5 new was about 100-110K, too much in 1988-1999
against boats with better and longer established reputations. Average
price now is 63'900. Low is 54'500 and high is 72'700. Every 35s5 we
investigated last year sold, including the 2 that were beaten to an
inch of their lives and probably not worth buying...still sold in the
mid 50's!

Proving what?

Max

Minivans: positively the dumbest, most boring threads ever in ASA
 

Do you have any experience with older Sabres... mid-80s vintage?

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

If you use your boat without making constant
improvements and upgrades, it will depreciate. Mine probably would as
well,
were we not making consistent upgrades.


Your boat has hit it's market plateau. It should not drop if you
maintain her. The 35s5 has not hit a plateau and was driven up because
she is modern enough to still give a buyer much of what newer designs
have. If Beneteau prices make another jump that can bring up her value
like it did a few years ago.

A temporary phenomenon at best. The 35s5 will still depreciate, as you've
implied by "not" hitting "a plateau."

Which are generally depreciating, the newer Tartans and Sabres
perhaps
excepted. These are in a quality range substantially above your
Beneteau


A Tartan or Sabre has nothing on a Beneteau 35s5, Maxi.

LOL. Hogwash. Tartans and Sabres are built to a specification, price
notwithstanding. Beneteaus are built to a price, specifications
notwithstanding. Big difference. Huge difference. Beneteau cuts corners
to achieve a price point. Personally I think Catalina builds a more
solid, better-finished boat these days than Beneteau. The last 393 we
looked at had so many joinerwork flaws as to be ugly below.

You still have
not investigated this. The 35s5 was part of Beneteau's attempt to build
a boat on a higher level. Her fit and finish is ABOVE a Sabre or Tartan
of the same age.

Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I've seen your boat and I've seen
Tartans and Sabres, and there is a substantial difference. If you
honestly believe that Beneteau built your boat to a "higher standard" you
are guilty of believing your own BS and hype.

We looked at plenty. Beneteau was serious about the
effort and had her interiors made overseas. The 35s5's cost when new
and outfitted was to (sic) high though.

During the same period similarly-sized Ericsons, Tartans, Sabres, Island
Packets, and others all sold for more. Beneteau may have overpriced the
Starcke boats, but they were still not in the same league as the ones I've
mentioned. And I doubt if you'd be able to convince anyone but Suzy of
your contention.

Both surveyors noted that the 35s5
was built above the standard of Oceanus

That's akin to saying that a Ford Festiva is built above the standard of a
Yugo.

and current first boats. I
suggest you step aboard a new First 36.7, then check out a 35s5. The
35s5 is far beyond it in quality by a country mile.

Can't see it. Didn't then, don't now. But feel free to delude yourself.
After all you own one of those "high standard" boats.

I recall looking at them a while back and I don't recall any of them
in that
price range. They cost around $90K to $100K new and are slightly above
half
that now.

A fully geared up 35s5 new was about 100-110K, too much in 1988-1999
against boats with better and longer established reputations. Average
price now is 63'900. Low is 54'500 and high is 72'700. Every 35s5 we
investigated last year sold, including the 2 that were beaten to an
inch of their lives and probably not worth buying...still sold in the
mid 50's!

Proving what?

Max

Minivans: positively the dumbest, most boring threads ever in ASA
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Do you have any experience with older Sabres... mid-80s vintage?

Only the one our septuagenarian friends sold. It was an '84. Not terribly
fast, but a solid, well-built boat. It had some minor problems, but was
essentially sound.

Max

Minivans: positively the dumbest, most boring threads ever in ASA
 

Sorry, she said it was SOUNDINGS, not yachtworld.com. Either way, my
wife
does not prevaricate.


I have Soundings dating back for months. Which issue?


RB
35s5
NY