Maxi Medical Center!
 

Right, but she cannot start one without a doctor's order.


Uh, yeah...so? When will she be starting IV's on board?


Actually she can't, by law. IF she does, she's putting her license and
perhaps her neck on the legal line. She does so at her own risk.

Duh!!! Anyone who renders medical aid does so at legal risk, dummy!
Better to have an RN try if it comes to that. Good lord!

She's the director of the step-down unit (intermediate care, and
ICU-overflow) in the largest hospital in South Bend, IN. She's worked
as a
nurse in ICU, CCU, PICU, med-surg, orthopaedics, and has taught
pediatrics
in a nursing school. She's also worked as the director of nursing in
two
long-term care facilities. She's published many professional
periodical
articles and has co-authored two books on pediatric intensive care
nursing.


I see, so no ER training at the hospital or in the field. Keep her off
my boat!


Are you implying there is something wrong with Hatians? You're
quite a
racist and a bigot for a liberal.

No, I'm just not a politically correct toad like you to not admit the
reality of it. Are you aware that the Hatian schooling is basically on
a CCP level in many cases? Are you aware that these same "nurses" often
have very limited language skills and zero understanding of EC for
patients? Upper end hospitals use them in reduced capacity.

How many times do I have to say this: if a nurse performs such procedures
in the field without medical approval, she does so at the peril of her
license.

I guess your will have to let you die then! Buh bye.
This is not about legality. It's about the ability to take positive
action in a medical emergency. We now ALL KNOW your wife will avoid
that lawsuit at the expense of others.
Good one, Maxi! Let's see you backpedal out of it!


She also took a special series of courses in burn care and
emergency treatment which was part of her deal in St. Francis, all part
of her Critical Care focus.


Wooo, wooo. Sounds as if she's had a fairly typical education.

Burn care is a specific area of nursing. Ask your wife. Nursing is now
finely broken down into specialized areas. Suzanne plans to study
several more before going for Nurse Practitioner.

See above. My daughter is also an RN (BSN, MSN) in an intensive
care unit
in a major Indianapolis hospital. My mother was an RN as well.

Wow. Suzanne is already talking about stepping up the ladder. Some
folks are happy with being a nurse and that's a fine choice.


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Right, but she cannot start one without a doctor's order.


Uh, yeah...so? When will she be starting IV's on board?


Actually she can't, by law. IF she does, she's putting her license and
perhaps her neck on the legal line. She does so at her own risk.

Duh!!! Anyone who renders medical aid does so at legal risk, dummy!
Better to have an RN try if it comes to that. Good lord!

She's the director of the step-down unit (intermediate care, and
ICU-overflow) in the largest hospital in South Bend, IN. She's worked
as a
nurse in ICU, CCU, PICU, med-surg, orthopaedics, and has taught
pediatrics
in a nursing school. She's also worked as the director of nursing in
two
long-term care facilities. She's published many professional
periodical
articles and has co-authored two books on pediatric intensive care
nursing.


I see, so no ER training at the hospital or in the field. Keep her off
my boat!


Are you implying there is something wrong with Hatians? You're
quite a
racist and a bigot for a liberal.

No, I'm just not a politically correct toad like you to not admit the
reality of it. Are you aware that the Hatian schooling is basically on
a CCP level in many cases? Are you aware that these same "nurses" often
have very limited language skills and zero understanding of EC for
patients? Upper end hospitals use them in reduced capacity.

How many times do I have to say this: if a nurse performs such
procedures
in the field without medical approval, she does so at the peril of her
license.

I guess your will have to let you die then! Buh bye.
This is not about legality. It's about the ability to take positive
action in a medical emergency. We now ALL KNOW your wife will avoid
that lawsuit at the expense of others.
Good one, Maxi! Let's see you backpedal out of it!


She also took a special series of courses in burn care and
emergency treatment which was part of her deal in St. Francis, all part
of her Critical Care focus.


Wooo, wooo. Sounds as if she's had a fairly typical education.

Burn care is a specific area of nursing. Ask your wife. Nursing is now
finely broken down into specialized areas. Suzanne plans to study
several more before going for Nurse Practitioner.

See above. My daughter is also an RN (BSN, MSN) in an intensive
care unit
in a major Indianapolis hospital. My mother was an RN as well.

Wow. Suzanne is already talking about stepping up the ladder. Some
folks are happy with being a nurse and that's a fine choice.


She's been a nurse for less than 8 months and already she is expert in
emergency medicine, burn medicine and critical care.

Training is not experience.

Maxi Medical Center!
 

She's been a nurse for less than 8 months and already she is expert in
emergency medicine, burn medicine and critical care.

Training is not experience.


She's at a top hospital, off student probation and with her own
patients. She's doing very well and has an eye towards the future.
Having her skills available is still a plus as I originally listed
them. She's part of our emergency inventory as it were!

Did you know that doctors and nurses have been sued for NOT taking
action? Did you know that doctors and nurses have been sued for taking
correct action? Did you know ANYONE can be sued after attempting
emergency care?

Maxi has no point and you don't even half 1/32 of his attempted point.
Bob C, remember when you were clever by playing both sides? Now you're
just another stooge here like Scotty and Doug. Still worse.....you're
not even good at it. Maybe you need a vacation?



RB
35s5
NY

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Did you know that doctors and nurses have been sued for NOT taking
action? Did you know that doctors and nurses have been sued for taking
correct action? Did you know ANYONE can be sued after attempting
emergency care?


Obviously Suzy hasn't trained you well enough. As a matter of LAW, a nurse
or doctor is required to stop and render assisstance. Wasn't that revealed
to Sluzy as part of her extensive training?



Maxi has no point and you don't even half 1/32 of his attempted point.
Bob C, remember when you were clever by playing both sides? Now you're
just another stooge here like Scotty and Doug. Still worse.....you're
not even good at it. Maybe you need a vacation?

You know you are over the target when there is flak.


Lloyd

Maxi Medical Center!
 

New York Law:



SECTION 3000-A. EMERGENCY MEDICAL TREATMENT.

1.. Except as provided in subdivision six of section six thousand six
hundred eleven, subdivision two of section six thousand five hundred
twenty-seven, subdivision one of section six thousand nine hundred nine and
sections six thousand five hundred forty-seven and six thousand seven
hundred thirty-seven of the education law, any person who voluntarily and
without expectation of monetary compensation renders first aid or emergency
treatment at the scene of an accident or other emergency outside a hospital,
doctor's office or any other place having proper and necessary medical
equipment, to a person who is unconscious, ill, or injured, shall not be
liable for damages for injuries alleged to have been sustained by such
person or for damages for the death of such person alleged to have occurred
by reason of an act or omission in the rendering of such emergency treatment
unless it is established that such injuries were or such death was caused by
gross negligence on the part of such person. Nothing in this section shall
be deemed or construed to relieve a licensed physician, dentist, nurse,
physical therapist or registered physician's assistant from liability for
damages for injuries or death caused by an act or omission on the part of
such person while rendering professional services in the normal and ordinary
course of his or her practice.
2.. (i) A person who, or entity, partnership, corporation, firm or society
that, purchases or makes available resuscitation equipment that facilitate
first aid, an automated external defibrillator or an epinephrine
auto-injector device as required by law or local law, or (ii) the emergency
health care provider with a collaborative agreement under section three
thousand-b of this article with respect to an automated external
defibrillator, or (iii) the emergency health care provider with a
collaborative agreement under section three thousand-c of this article with
respect to use of an epinephrine auto-injector device shall not be liable
for damages arising either from the use of that equipment by a person who
voluntarily and without expectation of monetary compensation renders first
aid or emergency treatment at the scene of an accident or medical emergency,
or from the use of defectively manufactured equipment; provided that this
subdivision shall not limit the person's or entity's, partnership's,
corporation's, firm's, society's or the emergency health care provider's
liability for his, her or its own negligence, gross negligence or
intentional misconduct.

Maxi Medical Center!
 

--
"Swab Rob" wrote

Maxi has no point and you don't even half 1/32 of his
attempted point.


That would be 1/64, stupid.


--
Scotty
''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with
any degree of credibility, comment on the courage
of fellow sailors'' ....F.B.
http://tinyurl.com/pzdl8

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Duh!!! Anyone who renders medical aid does so at legal risk, dummy!
Better to have an RN try if it comes to that. Good lord!

Nope. Properly-trained people can render first aid and are protected under
good samaritan laws provided the standards of care are met. The scope of
the first aid given is the issue here. You can render as much first aid as
your wife can, but neither you nor she can perform medical procedures
without legal risk.


She's the director of the step-down unit (intermediate care, and
ICU-overflow) in the largest hospital in South Bend, IN. She's worked
as a
nurse in ICU, CCU, PICU, med-surg, orthopaedics, and has taught
pediatrics
in a nursing school. She's also worked as the director of nursing in
two
long-term care facilities. She's published many professional
periodical
articles and has co-authored two books on pediatric intensive care
nursing.


I see, so no ER training at the hospital or in the field. Keep her off
my boat!

Not to worry. Among her greater attributes is the ability to detect fools
and idiots when she sees them.


Are you implying there is something wrong with Hatians? You're
quite a
racist and a bigot for a liberal.

No, I'm just not a politically correct toad like you to not admit the
reality of it.

Which equals racist.

Are you aware that the Hatian schooling is basically on
a CCP level in many cases? Are you aware that these same "nurses" often
have very limited language skills and zero understanding of EC for
patients? Upper end hospitals use them in reduced capacity.

How many times do I have to say this: if a nurse performs such
procedures
in the field without medical approval, she does so at the peril of her
license.

I guess your will have to let you die then! Buh bye.
This is not about legality. It's about the ability to take positive
action in a medical emergency. We now ALL KNOW your wife will avoid
that lawsuit at the expense of others.
Good one, Maxi! Let's see you backpedal out of it!

Either my wife or I will render the necessary care to each other or to our
family members. But if YOU were on our boat and needed a trache, adios
amigo.

She also took a special series of courses in burn care and
emergency treatment which was part of her deal in St. Francis, all part
of her Critical Care focus.


Wooo, wooo. Sounds as if she's had a fairly typical education.

Burn care is a specific area of nursing. Ask your wife.

I did. She says it's a routine nursing school subject.

Nursing is now
finely broken down into specialized areas. Suzanne plans to study
several more before going for Nurse Practitioner.

Good for her. As she grows educationally and professionally, I wonder what
her perception of an uneducated, stagnated husband will be?


See above. My daughter is also an RN (BSN, MSN) in an intensive
care unit
in a major Indianapolis hospital. My mother was an RN as well.

Wow. Suzanne is already talking about stepping up the ladder. Some
folks are happy with being a nurse and that's a fine choice.

My daughter is a Clinical Nurse Specialist in both ICU and OB and is about
to undertake schooling to become a Nurse Anesthetist. Nurse Practioners--a
declining specialty--work under her supervision. And by the way
Bubbles--Nurse Practioners are still nurses.

Give it up, Bubbles--you're way in over your head here.

Max

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Reverend Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
New York Law:



SECTION 3000-A. EMERGENCY MEDICAL TREATMENT.

1.. Except as provided in subdivision six of section six thousand six
hundred eleven, subdivision two of section six thousand five hundred
twenty-seven, subdivision one of section six thousand nine hundred nine
and sections six thousand five hundred forty-seven and six thousand seven
hundred thirty-seven of the education law, any person who voluntarily and
without expectation of monetary compensation renders first aid or
emergency treatment at the scene of an accident or other emergency outside
a hospital, doctor's office or any other place having proper and necessary
medical equipment, to a person who is unconscious, ill, or injured, shall
not be liable for damages for injuries alleged to have been sustained by
such person or for damages for the death of such person alleged to have
occurred by reason of an act or omission in the rendering of such
emergency treatment unless it is established that such injuries were or
such death was caused by gross negligence on the part of such person.
Nothing in this section shall be deemed or construed to relieve a licensed
physician, dentist, nurse, physical therapist or registered physician's
assistant from liability for damages for injuries or death caused by an
act or omission on the part of such person while rendering professional
services in the normal and ordinary course of his or her practice.
2.. (i) A person who, or entity, partnership, corporation, firm or
society that, purchases or makes available resuscitation equipment that
facilitate first aid, an automated external defibrillator or an
epinephrine auto-injector device as required by law or local law, or (ii)
the emergency health care provider with a collaborative agreement under
section three thousand-b of this article with respect to an automated
external defibrillator, or (iii) the emergency health care provider with a
collaborative agreement under section three thousand-c of this article
with respect to use of an epinephrine auto-injector device shall not be
liable for damages arising either from the use of that equipment by a
person who voluntarily and without expectation of monetary compensation
renders first aid or emergency treatment at the scene of an accident or
medical emergency, or from the use of defectively manufactured equipment;
provided that this subdivision shall not limit the person's or entity's,
partnership's, corporation's, firm's, society's or the emergency health
care provider's liability for his, her or its own negligence, gross
negligence or intentional misconduct.

The so-called "good samaritan law."

Max

Maxi Medical Center!
 

Nope. Properly-trained people can render first aid and are protected under
good samaritan laws provided the standards of care are met. The scope of
the first aid given is the issue here. You can render as much first aid as
your wife can, but neither you nor she can perform medical procedures
without legal risk.

I can't believe you're droning on about legal risk. If someone aboard
is injured and Suzanne is their best hope, she'll render aid regardless
of legal factors. What kind of "nurse" are you married to that wouldn't
do this?


Which equals racist.

Like said. Your brainwashed. Saying a black man has dark skin is not
racist. And saying the these Hatian nurses are generally pretty awful.
BTW, we have three doctors in our family, one is a renowned heart
specialist and another a now retired brain surgeon. My best friend's
wife is a nurse practitioner with her own practice. You did know that a
NP can start a practice, right? Quite a leap from a lowly nurse when
there's a specialty.



Either my wife or I will render the necessary care to each other or to our
family members. But if YOU were on our boat and needed a trache, adios
amigo.


Sorry, my wife would not hesitate to try to save a life if she was the
best chance. She or I would not blink because it's not a family member.
I guess she's just too young in her career to do otherwise. If she did
behave like your wife, she'd probably just want to quit anyway. Sounds
like my wife, who volunteered for two years as a CCP while working in
publishing had a calling. Your wife sought a paycheck.


I did. She says it's a routine nursing school subject.

Let's hope you DIDN'T ask your wife. She'd have a clue that there are
advanced training classes in burn treatment that are from from
standard.


Good for her. As she grows educationally and professionally, I wonder what
her perception of an uneducated, stagnated husband will be?

Why, planning on having me near fatally stabbed near your wife so you
can marry Suzanne? BWahahaha!

And by the way
Bubbles--Nurse Practioners are still nurses.

A NP can do a LOT more than a RN can. She can open a practice, hand out
meds on TT diagnosis and make 6 figures out of the box. We know this
first hand of course.


Give it up, Bubbles--you're way in over your head here.

Yeah, I'm choking!!! Help, missus Maxipad! Oh...cough, cough...damn
lawsuits!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAA! Maxi, nice job of shooting you and your 1st lady with
the same bullet!


RB
35s5
NY

Max

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


I can't believe you're droning on about legal risk. If someone aboard
is injured and Suzanne is their best hope, she'll render aid regardless
of legal factors. What kind of "nurse" are you married to that wouldn't
do this?

So your wife disregards the law? All she can legally do is save the life,
she can't treat an ailment. You are saying she will treat them regardless of
the law.




Which equals racist.

Like said. Your brainwashed. Saying a black man has dark skin is not
racist. And saying the these Hatian nurses are generally pretty awful.

Racist! One is a genetic trait, another is lack of aptitude based upon race.
RB the racist!


BTW, we have three doctors in our family, one is a renowned heart
specialist and another a now retired brain surgeon.

Yawn!

My best friend's
wife is a nurse practitioner with her own practice. You did know that a
NP can start a practice, right? Quite a leap from a lowly nurse when
there's a specialty.

Is there a nurse practitioner in the house?





Either my wife or I will render the necessary care to each other or to
our
family members. But if YOU were on our boat and needed a trache, adios
amigo.

Will he take the hook?



Sorry, my wife would not hesitate to try to save a life if she was the
best chance. She or I would not blink because it's not a family member.

Do you know that for sure? Is she that much of an enabler/co-dependent? I
guess so since she supports you.


I guess she's just too young in her career to do otherwise. If she did
behave like your wife, she'd probably just want to quit anyway. Sounds
like my wife, who volunteered for two years as a CCP while working in
publishing had a calling. Your wife sought a paycheck.

aahahahahahahaa!!!!!!




I did. She says it's a routine nursing school subject.

Let's hope you DIDN'T ask your wife. She'd have a clue that there are
advanced training classes in burn treatment that are from from
standard.

Is that the class Suzzette took?



Good for her. As she grows educationally and professionally, I wonder
what
her perception of an uneducated, stagnated husband will be?

See above comment. She will help anyone without judgement or conditions. RB
is her unconditional love.



Why, planning on having me near fatally stabbed near your wife so you
can marry Suzanne? BWahahaha!

Those dark circles under the eyes! Zombie!


And by the way
Bubbles--Nurse Practioners are still nurses.

A NP can do a LOT more than a RN can. She can open a practice, hand out
meds on TT diagnosis and make 6 figures out of the box. We know this
first hand of course.

Yes, she can do all that and more - in Mexico!




Give it up, Bubbles--you're way in over your head here.

Yeah, I'm choking!!! Help, missus Maxipad! Oh...cough, cough...damn
lawsuits!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAA! Maxi, nice job of shooting you and your 1st lady with
the same bullet!

RB does not know NY good samaritan law.

Maxi Medical Center!
 

In fact, one is specifically barred from administering aid beyond one's
training. I know this is true for non-professionals in California. For
example, if I have (and I do have) a CPR cert., I can't trache someone. It's
beyond my training. If I do, I could be sued.

One suggestion would be to buy and be trained on a defribrillator.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


I can't believe you're droning on about legal risk. If someone aboard
is injured and Suzanne is their best hope, she'll render aid regardless
of legal factors. What kind of "nurse" are you married to that wouldn't
do this?

So your wife disregards the law? All she can legally do is save the life,
she can't treat an ailment. You are saying she will treat them regardless
of the law.




Which equals racist.

Like said. Your brainwashed. Saying a black man has dark skin is not
racist. And saying the these Hatian nurses are generally pretty awful.

Racist! One is a genetic trait, another is lack of aptitude based upon
race. RB the racist!


BTW, we have three doctors in our family, one is a renowned heart
specialist and another a now retired brain surgeon.

Yawn!

My best friend's
wife is a nurse practitioner with her own practice. You did know that a
NP can start a practice, right? Quite a leap from a lowly nurse when
there's a specialty.

Is there a nurse practitioner in the house?





Either my wife or I will render the necessary care to each other or to
our
family members. But if YOU were on our boat and needed a trache, adios
amigo.

Will he take the hook?



Sorry, my wife would not hesitate to try to save a life if she was the
best chance. She or I would not blink because it's not a family member.

Do you know that for sure? Is she that much of an enabler/co-dependent? I
guess so since she supports you.


I guess she's just too young in her career to do otherwise. If she did
behave like your wife, she'd probably just want to quit anyway. Sounds
like my wife, who volunteered for two years as a CCP while working in
publishing had a calling. Your wife sought a paycheck.

aahahahahahahaa!!!!!!




I did. She says it's a routine nursing school subject.

Let's hope you DIDN'T ask your wife. She'd have a clue that there are
advanced training classes in burn treatment that are from from
standard.

Is that the class Suzzette took?



Good for her. As she grows educationally and professionally, I wonder
what
her perception of an uneducated, stagnated husband will be?

See above comment. She will help anyone without judgement or conditions.
RB is her unconditional love.



Why, planning on having me near fatally stabbed near your wife so you
can marry Suzanne? BWahahaha!

Those dark circles under the eyes! Zombie!


And by the way
Bubbles--Nurse Practioners are still nurses.

A NP can do a LOT more than a RN can. She can open a practice, hand out
meds on TT diagnosis and make 6 figures out of the box. We know this
first hand of course.

Yes, she can do all that and more - in Mexico!




Give it up, Bubbles--you're way in over your head here.

Yeah, I'm choking!!! Help, missus Maxipad! Oh...cough, cough...damn
lawsuits!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAA! Maxi, nice job of shooting you and your 1st lady with
the same bullet!

RB does not know NY good samaritan law.

Maxi Medical Center!
 

So your wife disregards the law? All she can legally do is save the
life,
she can't treat an ailment.

Ailment on a daysail or short cruise on the LIS??? Golly! Explain to
everyone what you mean.


You are saying she will treat them regardless of
the law.

In an emergency where her failure to act could be a fatal choice, yep.


Racist! One is a genetic trait, another is lack of aptitude based
upon race.


A good example of why you never win these debates and Maxi does even
worse. Lack of aptitude is due to training common to Hatians, a failing
of their schooling system. You made the genetic leap and now proved to
everyone that YOU are racist. SMACKDOWN!


Yawn!

By a boat. You'll sleep better.


Will he take the hook?

You know full well that I start these threads with one purpose and
everyone takes the bait.


Sorry, my wife would not hesitate to try to save a life if she was the
best chance. She or I would not blink because it's not a family member.



Do you know that for sure? Is she that much of an enabler/co-dependent?
I
guess so since she supports you.



publishing had a calling. Your wife sought a paycheck.
aahahahahahahaa!!!!!!


It's really not funny, but Maxi has exposed his wife as what some would
call a career nurse. She's certainly not someone who wanted to ease
suffering or she'd put Maxi quietly to sleep.


Is that the class Suzzette took?


Emergency burn care and treatments. It's a whole section of classes
beyond the normal nursing program and you can't take it before
graduating either.


RB
is her unconditional love.


Ohh, ya got me there!


Like I said, Bob. You were once good at this by playing both
sides...now your just another dog fish nipping at whatever I toss into
the water. I'm sorry you came to this as you're totally reliant on my
posts to support yours.


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi Medical Center!
 

--
"Swab Rob" wrote
.
BTW, we have three doctors in our family, one is a
renowned heart
specialist and another a now retired brain surgeon.


Maybe he has some spare parts laying around that he could
stuff into your head.

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Like I said, Bob. You were once good at this by playing both
sides...now your just another dog fish nipping at whatever I toss into
the water. I'm sorry you came to this as you're totally reliant on my
posts to support yours.

You are but a pillar.

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Which equals racist.

Like said. Your brainwashed. Saying a black man has dark skin is not
racist. And saying the these Hatian nurses are generally pretty awful.
BTW, we have three doctors in our family, one is a renowned heart
specialist and another a now retired brain surgeon. My best friend's
wife is a nurse practitioner with her own practice. You did know that a
NP can start a practice, right? Quite a leap from a lowly nurse when
there's a specialty.

Now you're voicing prejudice against nurses. What a blatant bigot you are.
Careful, Bubbles--you're going to have your left-wing membership card
revoked.

Either my wife or I will render the necessary care to each other or to
our
family members. But if YOU were on our boat and needed a trache, adios
amigo.


Sorry, my wife would not hesitate to try to save a life if she was the
best chance. She or I would not blink because it's not a family member.
I guess she's just too young in her career to do otherwise. If she did
behave like your wife, she'd probably just want to quit anyway.

You have absolutely no idea of how my wife would behave. You're basing her
actions upon the discussion we've had, which has no relevance to her beliefs
or feelings whatsoever. But I wouldn't expect less from such a cardinal
bigot.

I did. She says it's a routine nursing school subject.

Let's hope you DIDN'T ask your wife. She'd have a clue that there are
advanced training classes in burn treatment that are from from
standard.

There are advanced courses in every aspect of nursing. You never implied
Suzy had taken anything beyond the routine. Burn care is really rather
routine, however. Let's talk advanced cardiac life support and care,
reading the strips, knowing the indicators of impending MI, knowing the
blood chemistry values that spell disaster--those sorts of things. That's
advanced nursing training, the kind my daughter has had. Burn care is
fairly basic, even in those units that specialize in it.

Good for her. As she grows educationally and professionally, I wonder
what
her perception of an uneducated, stagnated husband will be?

Why, planning on having me near fatally stabbed near your wife so you
can marry Suzanne? BWahahaha!

Not me, but I'd keep an eye on Suzy. I'm sure the slender, young, handsome
physicians at her hospital look pretty damned impressive next to you.


And by the way
Bubbles--Nurse Practioners are still nurses.

A NP can do a LOT more than a RN can. She can open a practice, hand out
meds on TT diagnosis and make 6 figures out of the box. We know this
first hand of course.

Depends upon the locale. Around here they all work for physicians or
hospitals. They can have their own practices, but few have tried and those
who did failed miserably, mostly because they couldn't do a lot of the
things that physicians can. People want one-stop medical care these days.
NPs simply don't have the scope of practice to compete. I'd be very
surprised if they could succeed in NYC either. Dream on.

What's really pathetic about you, Bubbles, is that you have to tout your
wife's accomplishments. None of your own, eh?

Max

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...

One suggestion would be to buy and be trained on a defribrillator.

The purchase of home defibrillation units generally includes training, at
least it does in this state (Indiana).

Max

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

A good example of why you never win these debates and Maxi does even
worse. Lack of aptitude is due to training common to Hatians, a failing
of their schooling system. You made the genetic leap and now proved to
everyone that YOU are racist. SMACKDOWN!

If you weren't such a blatant racist, you might actually learn to spell
Haitian correctly. Apparently they don't warrant the effort in your case.

It's really not funny, but Maxi has exposed his wife as what some would
call a career nurse. She's certainly not someone who wanted to ease
suffering or she'd put Maxi quietly to sleep.

What a boy scout you are. 99% of nurses do what they do for a paycheck.
I'm only excluding the missionaries and Peace Corps nurses. If you believe
otherwise you're an idiot. Some, like my wife, work for the betterment of
their profession, but they expect to be paid, and paid well, for it. Your
wife simply knows that she must support an indigent husband.

Emergency burn care and treatments. It's a whole section of classes
beyond the normal nursing program and you can't take it before
graduating either.

Another Bubbles lie. It's taught as part of any baccalaureate program. By
the way, does you wife have a BS in nursing?????

Max

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..



--
"Swab Rob" wrote
.
BTW, we have three doctors in our family, one is a
renowned heart
specialist and another a now retired brain surgeon.


Maybe he has some spare parts laying around that he could
stuff into your head.

What a waste of perfectly good spare parts.

Max

Maxi Medical Center!
 

What a boy scout you are. 99% of nurses do what they do for a
paycheck.
I'm only excluding the missionaries and Peace Corps nurses. If you
believe
otherwise you're an idiot. Some, like my wife



Uh, Maxi, it's a bit late to try and flip your stories. You've already
made it clear that your wife wouldn't risk a lawsuit if she was a the
only hope. Especially if not a family member. She's quite the
humanitarian!


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi Medical Center!
 

Dave wrote:
On 28 Jul 2006 03:10:50 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

You're not surprised because you have virtually no command of English.

You've provided much muddle-headed nonsense from fools similarly
inclined. But you're simply wrong. Again.


You clearly believe that aptitude is a fixed quality. It's not.
Websters #3 supports this.
You can find developmental aspects of aptitude everywhere.
You're wrong. You don't know English. Your boat is sh*t and you're no
sailor.



RB
35s5
NY

Maxi Medical Center!
 

I deliberately chose the word "aptitude".

He fell for it. Dave wins.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 28 Jul 2006 03:10:50 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

You're not surprised because you have virtually no command of English.

You've provided much muddle-headed nonsense from fools similarly
inclined. But you're simply wrong. Again.

Maxi Medical Center!
 

I don't believe that's the case out here. You can take a course through the
RX, but I don't believe there's any requirement to do that in order to buy
one.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...

One suggestion would be to buy and be trained on a defribrillator.

The purchase of home defibrillation units generally includes training, at
least it does in this state (Indiana).

Max

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...


There are advanced courses in every aspect of nursing. You never implied
Suzy had taken anything beyond the routine. Burn care is really rather
routine, however. Let's talk advanced cardiac life support and care,
reading the strips, knowing the indicators of impending MI, knowing the
blood chemistry values that spell disaster--those sorts of things. That's
advanced nursing training, the kind my daughter has had. Burn care is
fairly basic, even in those units that specialize in it.


Suzette can not read the strip. She may know ABC but not PQRST. The
indicators of impending myocardial infarction - do you mean the electrical
indicators? Delay between QRS and ST and elevated ST segment. What
additional factors are indicative on a 12 lead? Blood chemistry - elevated
catecholamine levels, check the calcium levels. The blood tests must be
ordered by a doctor, the nurse only sees the results. Doctors are the only
ones allowed to diagnose the strip, not the techs or the nurses. Reading a
12 lead strip is fairly complex.

Maxi Medical Center!
 

The blood tests must be
ordered by a doctor, the nurse only sees the results. Doctors are the
only
ones allowed to diagnose the strip, not the techs or the nurses.
Reading a
12 lead strip is fairly complex.


Bob in addition to smacking yourself down because you failed to
understand what aptitude meant, you also have no idea what modern
nurses do. Here's a hint, Bob. Suzanne had to be able to read a 10 lead
strip before being hired. At a heart speciality hospital, like St.
Francis uses 10. Yes, it's complex, but she had to learn it.
SMACKDOWN again!


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

The blood tests must be
ordered by a doctor, the nurse only sees the results. Doctors are the
only
ones allowed to diagnose the strip, not the techs or the nurses.
Reading a
12 lead strip is fairly complex.


Bob in addition to smacking yourself down because you failed to
understand what aptitude meant, you also have no idea what modern
nurses do. Here's a hint, Bob. Suzanne had to be able to read a 10 lead
strip before being hired. At a heart speciality hospital, like St.
Francis uses 10. Yes, it's complex, but she had to learn it.
SMACKDOWN again!

And who uses a ten lead?

The industry standard is 12 lead.

http://www.ecglibrary.com/norm.html

You can have a ten lead ECG just like a five wheeled sportscar, but 12 lead
is used in practice.

Kablam!

1. In what location in the heart would the P wave have the maximum
amplitude?

2. If the maximum surface potential of a three lead ECG is 150 mV, what can
this indicate?

3. What portions of the 12 lead ECG would one read to rule out hypertrophy?

4. How can one spot AF on a twelve lead?

5. Is an EMG more sensitive to AF than a ECG?

6. How are PVC's indicated on a strip?

7. Who is Einthoven?

Kablam! Do you even know where ten lead comes from?

Bet you don't. Judging from what you said (I'm sure Suzy supplied the info)
she is very green. About 6 months of cardiac experience, but none of it
diagnostic.

Maxi Medical Center!
 

The industry standard is 12 lead.


Bob, this troll failed because my wife is actually a nurse at a leading
heart hospital. They use 9-10 leads. If you want to ease off on the
googling, try picking up of a copy of Brunner and Suddarth's Textbook
of Medical-Surgical Nursing. Placement is shown with 9 leads. Which
lead is the best indicator, Bob?

Kinda silly. This is like your efforts to google up a background of
sailing. No "smackdown" or "Kaboom." Just sort of embarassing for you.
You've fallen far, my friend.

G'night.


RB
35s5
NY

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

The industry standard is 12 lead.

Besides the Frank and 3 lead AVL the industry standard is 12 lead:

http://www.cvrti.utah.edu/~macleod/b.../labnotes/ecg/


Using a 9 or 10 lead each set their own morphological parameters and each
require a whole new set of learning. I'm sure you know this, right? Google
"inverse problem" and "cardiac surface potentials".




Bob, this troll failed because my wife is actually a nurse at a leading
heart hospital.

That hospital is not a leading heart hospital (check out the Cleveland
Clinic sometime) and you wife is an entry level nurse.

They use 9-10 leads. If you want to ease off on the
googling, try picking up of a copy of Brunner and Suddarth's Textbook
of Medical-Surgical Nursing.

That's a nursing book. It's for nurses.


Placement is shown with 9 leads. Which
lead is the best indicator, Bob?

12 leads, it is used throughout the industry. Let's "Google" 9 lead ECG and
see what comes up:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/013...lance&n=283155
whoops!

http://ehs.umbc.edu/CE/12-LeadECG/Multi-LeadMedics.html In all fairness 9
lead is mentioned, but where is the 10 lead you spoke of? hmmm????????

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
9 leads mentioned here as a modified 3 channel holter, but no 10 leads. 12
lead still the gold standard!

http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php...l2n1/chest.xml
St Francis recommends 12 lead here! Ooops!

http://www.stfrancishospitals.org/De...agei d=P00198
Oh no! St Francis calls out for 12 lead again!


AND OH MY GOD! OH NO!!!!!!! ST. FRANCIS ON LONG ISLAND WANTS NURSES THAT
CAN READ 12 LEAD ECG'S ONLY!!!!!!!!

http://8.7.96.79/work_with_us/detail.cfm?id=4

Category: Patient Support Staff
Department: K1
Title: Med/Surg Nurse Extender
Responsibilities: Provide direct patient care including bathing, toileting,
hydration, nutrition, ambulation, turning and positioning patients. Selected
technical skills include phlebotomy, 12 lead EKG's, arrhythmia detection,
vital signs, and glucose monitoring. Documentation of patient activities.
Requirements: H.S. Diploma required. Previous hospital experience or
Certified Nursing Assistant preferred.
FTE: Part Time
Shift:Evenings, 3P - 11P, including alternate weekends
Location: Roslyn


THERE WE HAVE IT. Suzy's textbook says 10, er, 9 lead and the standards for
ST Francis is 12 lead - says so on their Long Island web page. sO WHICH IS
IT?




Kinda silly. This is like your efforts to google up a background of
sailing. No "smackdown" or "Kaboom." Just sort of embarassing for you.
You've fallen far, my friend.


SMACKDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAJOR BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SMACKEROOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't own a boat and I am not a nurse!

one more time:

MAJOR SMACKEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GASP

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

The industry standard is 12 lead.

Besides the Frank and 3 lead AVL the industry standard is 12 lead:

http://www.cvrti.utah.edu/~macleod/b.../labnotes/ecg/


Using a 9 or 10 lead each set their own morphological parameters and each
require a whole new set of learning. I'm sure you know this, right? Google
"inverse problem" and "cardiac surface potentials".




Bob, this troll failed because my wife is actually a nurse at a leading
heart hospital.

That hospital is not a leading heart hospital (check out the Cleveland
Clinic sometime) and you wife is an entry level nurse.

They use 9-10 leads. If you want to ease off on the
googling, try picking up of a copy of Brunner and Suddarth's Textbook
of Medical-Surgical Nursing.

That's a nursing book. It's for nurses.


Placement is shown with 9 leads. Which
lead is the best indicator, Bob?

12 leads, it is used throughout the industry. Let's "Google" 9 lead ECG
and see what comes up:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/013...lance&n=283155
whoops!

http://ehs.umbc.edu/CE/12-LeadECG/Multi-LeadMedics.html In all fairness 9
lead is mentioned, but where is the 10 lead you spoke of? hmmm????????

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract 9
leads mentioned here as a modified 3 channel holter, but no 10 leads. 12
lead still the gold standard!

http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php...l2n1/chest.xml
St Francis recommends 12 lead here! Ooops!

http://www.stfrancishospitals.org/De...agei d=P00198
Oh no! St Francis calls out for 12 lead again!


AND OH MY GOD! OH NO!!!!!!! ST. FRANCIS ON LONG ISLAND WANTS NURSES THAT
CAN READ 12 LEAD ECG'S ONLY!!!!!!!!

http://8.7.96.79/work_with_us/detail.cfm?id=4

Category: Patient Support Staff
Department: K1
Title: Med/Surg Nurse Extender
Responsibilities: Provide direct patient care including bathing,
toileting, hydration, nutrition, ambulation, turning and positioning
patients. Selected technical skills include phlebotomy, 12 lead EKG's,
arrhythmia detection, vital signs, and glucose monitoring. Documentation
of patient activities.
Requirements: H.S. Diploma required. Previous hospital experience or
Certified Nursing Assistant preferred.
FTE: Part Time
Shift:Evenings, 3P - 11P, including alternate weekends
Location: Roslyn


THERE WE HAVE IT. Suzy's textbook says 10, er, 9 lead and the standards
for ST Francis is 12 lead - says so on their Long Island web page. sO
WHICH IS IT?




Kinda silly. This is like your efforts to google up a background of
sailing. No "smackdown" or "Kaboom." Just sort of embarassing for you.
You've fallen far, my friend.


SMACKDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAJOR BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SMACKEROOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't own a boat and I am not a nurse!

one more time:

MAJOR SMACKEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GASP

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Crantz,

You really do know your cardiology. What do you do for a living?

Lloyd

Maxi Medical Center!
 

"Swab Rob" wrote
BTW, we have three doctors in our family, one is a
renowned heart
specialist and another a now retired brain surgeon.



Now that was funny

Scotty wrote:
Maybe he has some spare parts laying around that he could
stuff into your head.


Nah, the gardener already took care of it.

DSK