Seidelmann review
 

Practical sailor reviewed the Seidelmann 299/30T. I've heard that it
BLASTS the boat, gear and sailing qualities.
Anyone got a copy of this or a member? Don't post the whole
review...just snip the good stuff!!!

Here's an owner review where I learned about it!!!

As far as I know I am the third owner since 1986.
I purchased the boat in December 2003. I first launched it in May of
2004. It was originally named "On The Lam". I immediately
changed the name to Daydreams. I first heard about Sedielmann boats
in the early 80's. I belonged to a boating club and was sailing
Watkins; some club members were sailing Seidelmann 299's. They spoke
highly of the Seidelmann's. I haven't been very lucky finding
published review of Seidelmann boats. The boats are mentioned in the
Practical Sailor boat buying guide. What is there is not very
favorable.
Significant problems found on my boat:
- headliner was falling down
- the bottom had many small blisters (pox) in the gel coat
- the chain plates and genoa tracks needed re-bedding
All of he above were easily repaired. The toughest problem was curing
the pox. The bottom had many small blisters...a real problem on MANY of
these boats.
There were also a number of minor through deck leaks, so I re-bedded
the chain plates, genoa track, and hatch cover.
The topsides gel coat was very oxidized and efforts to bring it back
with compound and polish did not work.
The Original CDI furler is of rather
poor quality. There are no bearing just two plastic parts to slide
against each other.
The list goes on. Avoid, avoid AVOID!!!!


Good boat pick, Scotty!!!!!!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAA!

Ha hah!


RB
35s5
NY



RB
35s5
NY

Seidelmann review
 

http://www.seidelmann-owners.com/Sei...99_Review2.pdf

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Scotty wrote:
http://www.seidelmann-owners.com/Seidelmann299_Review2.pdf



Bwahahahahahahaha!!! Well that's pathetic!!! Scotty posts a Sail Boat
announcement (NOT a review, folks!) and he's got a good boat???
I wonder if Scotty Potty thinks he owns a quality boat...? It's
possible! He was dumb enough or poor enough (or both) to buy one!


RB
35s5
NY

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Do you have any clue as to what I own?



"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..

Scotty wrote:

http://www.seidelmann-owners.com/Seidelmann299_Review2.pdf




Bwahahahahahahaha!!! Well that's pathetic!!! Scotty posts
a Sail Boat
announcement (NOT a review, folks!) and he's got a good
boat???
I wonder if Scotty Potty thinks he owns a quality boat...?
It's
possible! He was dumb enough or poor enough (or both) to
buy one!


RB
35s5
NY

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Looks like a nice boat...

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"j" ganz @@
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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http://www.seidelmann-owners.com/Sei...99_Review2.pdf

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Capt. JG wrote:
Looks like a nice boat...





So does an Oday 28.



RB
35s5
NY

Seidelmann review
 

Sounds like an older boat with some wear and tear and easily solved
problems. Ignore the boat pox as being irrelevant "make work" chatter
from boat yards and have fun sailing.



Hmmmm. I wonder why my former C&C 32, which sat on land with no care at
all for 10 years had none of these issues...or any issues.
I also wonder why my Pearson 30, which also sat for 6 years with no
care had no issues whatsoever.

Ask a good surveyor and they'll tell you sailboats to avoid like the
plague:
US Yachts
Ticon
Chrysler (Ticon bought molds)
O'Day (not all of them)
Seidelmann....the only boat to rival US Yachts on the garbage meter!
Hunter (Not all of them)
Goman Express
Macgregor

RB
35s5
NY

Seidelmann review
 

Rob:

Unused boats do not wear out. Boats that sit out of the water for 10
yrs do not get boat pox.
Next time, think before you post.
None of us here expect any boat of yours to get any wear.


Capt. Rob wrote:
Sounds like an older boat with some wear and tear and easily solved
problems. Ignore the boat pox as being irrelevant "make work" chatter
from boat yards and have fun sailing.



Hmmmm. I wonder why my former C&C 32, which sat on land with no care at
all for 10 years had none of these issues...or any issues.
I also wonder why my Pearson 30, which also sat for 6 years with no
care had no issues whatsoever.

Ask a good surveyor and they'll tell you sailboats to avoid like the
plague:
US Yachts
Ticon
Chrysler (Ticon bought molds)
O'Day (not all of them)
Seidelmann....the only boat to rival US Yachts on the garbage meter!
Hunter (Not all of them)
Goman Express
Macgregor

RB
35s5
NY

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No manufacture has had a bigger blister (pox) problem than Beneteau.

Beneteau - European Hunter

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wrote in message
ps.com...
Rob:

Unused boats do not wear out. Boats that sit out of the
water for 10
yrs do not get boat pox.
Next time, think before you post.
None of us here expect any boat of yours to get any wear.


Ask a good surveyor and they'll tell you sailboats to
avoid like the


Ask a good surveyor and he'll tell you that each individual
boat is different from the next, even if from the same mfg..
That is why you get a boat surveyed!


--
Scotty
''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with
any degree of credibility, comment on the courage
of fellow sailors'' ....F.B.

Seidelmann review
 

Ask a good surveyor and he'll tell you that each individual
boat is different from the next, even if from the same mfg..
That is why you get a boat surveyed!



Right, according to mono-brain cell Scotty Potty, poor design and
construction for a given model won't play a hand!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Scotty you own total trash. Make all the excuses for
it you want. The only thing that sad boat deserves is pitty. Sadly it
got YOU!

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA!!!


RB
35s5
NY

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote

Right, according to mono-brain cell Scotty Potty, poor
design and
construction for a given model won't play a hand!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Scotty you own total trash. Make all the
excuses for
it you want. The only thing that sad boat deserves is
pitty. Sadly it
got YOU!


Your jeliousy is showing....again!


Scotty, I love my boat!

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Scotty, I love my boat!




What kind of whacko keeps yelling that he "loves his boat?"

The kind who really needs people to believe it...because he doesn't.



RB
35s5
NY

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote
Scotty, I love my boat!




What kind of whacko keeps yelling that he "loves his
boat?"


Someone who loves their boat.


--
Scotty
''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with
any degree of credibility, comment on the courage
of fellow sailors'' ....F.B.

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Rob:

Every year of sailing for me equals two for you because our season in
Florida is all year long. Furthermore, as a boat broker, you ought to
know that boats in Florida are subjected to considerably more aging
than boats uip north simply due to the heat and greater UV (if you dont
know this, you need a different job). Consequently, I normally see
many more worn out boats than you. My attitude toward boats is like my
attitude toward my truck, I believe in automotive and boat immortality.
An old boat is never beyond repair, its simply a matter of degree.
All the things you described about the boat are simply due to wear and
not to design flaws. The boat may have design flaws but you failed to
mention any. For example, the CDI furler was not standard equipment on
the boat so cannot be mentioned as a design flaw. As far as that goes,
newer CDI furlers have bearings (mine does). If you are going to say a
particular boat design is crap, at least say why instead of
justmentioning normal wear. Your judgement seems impaired.

Scotty wrote:
--
"Swab Rob" wrote
Scotty, I love my boat!




What kind of whacko keeps yelling that he "loves his
boat?"


Someone who loves their boat.


--
Scotty
''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with
any degree of credibility, comment on the courage
of fellow sailors'' ....F.B.

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Every year of sailing for me equals two for you because our season in
Florida is all year long.


Total BS. I bought my boat in Florida and the hot season is so rough
that most people sail very little. You wait for winter for the good
sailing, just as we wait for summer and fall.


RB
35s5
NY

Seidelmann review
 

On 23 Jul 2006 16:45:08 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:


Every year of sailing for me equals two for you because our season in
Florida is all year long.


Total BS. I bought my boat in Florida and the hot season is so rough
that most people sail very little. You wait for winter for the good
sailing, just as we wait for summer and fall.


RB
35s5
NY


Absolute hogwash as usual from boobspittle. I also sail the upper
Gulf of Mexico which is the sailing ground referred to. It is
outstanding four season sailing. Most of the sailing is in the
spring, summer, and fall, but boats do not have to come out for the
winter so many sail in the winter, picking their weather. Many
"frostbite regattas" in the winter.

Frank

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Most of the sailing is in the
spring, summer, and fall, but boats do not have to come out for the
winter so many sail in the winter, picking their weather.


Frank, you just confirmed what I said. It's seasonal there as well.
When I was in Florida three times starting in August, ending in
October, very few boats were sailing...more in October. Brutal hot
weather.
I have a friend living in St. Petersburg who sails a Compac and he says
he sailed more when he lived it CT. It's too hot in Florida too often.


RB
35s5
NY

Seidelmann review
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Most of the sailing is in the
spring, summer, and fall, but boats do not have to come out for the
winter so many sail in the winter, picking their weather.


Frank, you just confirmed what I said. It's seasonal there as well.
When I was in Florida three times starting in August, ending in
October, very few boats were sailing...more in October. Brutal hot
weather.
I have a friend living in St. Petersburg who sails a Compac and he says
he sailed more when he lived it CT. It's too hot in Florida too often.


RB
35s5
NY

Here in N. FL, there are only 3 months where it is uncomfortable to
sail, July, Aug and Sept. However, most people like me sail anyway but
just a little less than other months. Our boats are in the salt water
all year. That in combo with the increased Uv ages a boat here much
faster than up north. Consequently, I see many more boats than Rob
does that are simply worn out. Even being a boat broker, Rob has very
little real world boating experience (or driving experience)..

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On 24 Jul 2006 08:24:08 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:


Most of the sailing is in the
spring, summer, and fall, but boats do not have to come out for the
winter so many sail in the winter, picking their weather.


Frank, you just confirmed what I said.


No, what you said is that people in Forida don't sail in the summer
because it is brutally hot, discounting the OP's claim to sail year
round. He sails on the upper Gulf of Mexico, out of the St Marks
area. It is nice year round and there is no off season. Picking the
weather in the winter simply means that there are a few days you might
choose not to sail when a strong front comes from the north. Happens
infrequently, and many will still sail those times if they are not in
shallow water marinas where the channels go too shallow at low tide to
get out.

When I was shopping for my last boat, I did so in February in Warwick,
RI. It was sad to see all those dirty boats jammed up on stands in
the yard for the winter. That doesn't happen in Florida or anywhere
on the Gulf.

There is Florida and then there is Florida. It ain't all the same.
But even with that, I have friends in South Florida who sail all
year.




RB
35s5
NY

Seidelmann review
 

Frank Boettcher wrote:
On 24 Jul 2006 08:24:08 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:


Most of the sailing is in the
spring, summer, and fall, but boats do not have to come out for the
winter so many sail in the winter, picking their weather.


Frank, you just confirmed what I said.


No, what you said is that people in Forida don't sail in the summer
because it is brutally hot, discounting the OP's claim to sail year
round. He sails on the upper Gulf of Mexico, out of the St Marks
area. It is nice year round and there is no off season. Picking the
weather in the winter simply means that there are a few days you might
choose not to sail when a strong front comes from the north. Happens
infrequently, and many will still sail those times if they are not in
shallow water marinas where the channels go too shallow at low tide to
get out.

When I was shopping for my last boat, I did so in February in Warwick,
RI. It was sad to see all those dirty boats jammed up on stands in
the yard for the winter. That doesn't happen in Florida or anywhere
on the Gulf.

There is Florida and then there is Florida. It ain't all the same.
But even with that, I have friends in South Florida who sail all
year.




RB
35s5
NY

Furthermo

Boats kept in warm water yr round suffer far more corrossion than up
north. They suffer far, far more marine growth, they suffer so much
more rot and damage due to mold that ther is really no comparison
between boats in a tropical climate and those up north. My guess is
that boats in Florida age about 3x as fast as boats up north. Around
here, teak oil would have to be applied every two weeks to work. All
the standard wood sealers are a waste of time as they last so short a
time.
The point is that Rob appears to be unable to tell the diff between
design flaws and wear so I'd say that he is unqualified to be a boat
broker.

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wrote in message
ups.com...
Furthermo
.
The point is that Rob appears to be unable to tell the
diff between
design flaws and wear so I'd say that he is unqualified to
be a boat
broker.


He is unqualified to be in the human race!

Amen!

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Bob**** wrote...

Every year of sailing for me equals two for you because our season
in
Florida is all year long.


Total BS. I bought my boat in Florida and the hot season is so rough
that most people sail very little. You wait for winter for the good
sailing, just as we wait for summer and fall.


There it is again. "rough" This time, it's the season that's too
"rough" for you.
You've never actually been to Florida, have you? If you weren't so
flabbily overweight (and if you had visited Florida), you'd notice
that people *DO* sail in Florida all 12 months of the year. But only
when it isn't too "rough". What a pussy.
And what the **** is "rough" weather or "rough" seasons?

Cap'n Crunch

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There it is again. "rough" This time, it's the season that's too
"rough" for you.
You've never actually been to Florida, have you?


By rough I meant NO AIR at all. Races have been called because of it.
I was in Florida to first see the boat and sail it, then again to let
Suzanne see it, then again to have final sail and close.

Here's Heart of Gold (Previously Windward First) with her PO, about 2
months before we bought her in October. This is a municipal marina
about 20 minutes from Salt Creek.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/spflorida.jpg

and here she is after delivery here at my facility...
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/del3.jpg

Note the lack of palm trees, DUMBASS!!!!


Bwahahahahhahahaha!


RB
35s5
NY

Seidelmann review
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
There it is again. "rough" This time, it's the season that's too
"rough" for you.
You've never actually been to Florida, have you?


By rough I meant NO AIR at all. Races have been called because of it.
I was in Florida to first see the boat and sail it, then again to let
Suzanne see it, then again to have final sail and close.

Here's Heart of Gold (Previously Windward First) with her PO, about 2
months before we bought her in October. This is a municipal marina
about 20 minutes from Salt Creek.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/spflorida.jpg

and here she is after delivery here at my facility...
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/del3.jpg

Note the lack of palm trees, DUMBASS!!!!


Bwahahahahhahahaha!


RB
35s5
NY

Yes, there is wind in Florida in the summer........if you know when and
what type. In the area he bought his boat Tampa Bay), there are
frequently afternoon sea breezes from the west but they also bring
nasty thunderstorms off the Gulf. You can sail in them but you have to
know when to stop just before the storms.
Around here (Tallahassee), Palm trees are not common but we plant them
just to make silly tourists know they are in FL. Rob truly thinks plam
trees mean Florida.......

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"Cap'n Crunch" wrote in message
. ..

Bob**** wrote...

Every year of sailing for me equals two for you because our season in
Florida is all year long.


Total BS. I bought my boat in Florida and the hot season is so rough
that most people sail very little. You wait for winter for the good
sailing, just as we wait for summer and fall.


There it is again. "rough" This time, it's the season that's too "rough"
for you.

Rough: (ala Bubbles) 1) wind in excess of 5 kts., 2) waves in excess of 1',
3) any form of precipitation, 4) attempting to sail without a few extra crew
who know how to sail since Bubbles doesn't, 5) not having a TV cable and
power cable long enough to provided uninterrupted soap operas.

You've never actually been to Florida, have you? If you weren't so
flabbily overweight (and if you had visited Florida), you'd notice that
people *DO* sail in Florida all 12 months of the year. But only when it
isn't too "rough". What a pussy.
And what the **** is "rough" weather or "rough" seasons?

See above. Bubbles doesn't buy boats for their sailing characteristics--he
buys them for their purported bragging rights, dockside comfort, and a BIG
swim platform.

Max

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Rob truly thinks plam
trees mean Florida.......



Poor Scumsucker Dave thinks there are palm trees on City Island!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! He's as dumb as he is heartless!!! Go bang a dead
Panda, scumbag!



RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

There it is again. "rough" This time, it's the season that's too
"rough" for you.
You've never actually been to Florida, have you?


By rough I meant NO AIR at all. Races have been called because of it.

Yeah, if they exceed the 90 minute limit. Duh.

Max

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Rough: (ala Bubbles) 1) wind in excess of 5 kts., 2) waves in excess of
1',
3) any form of precipitation, 4) attempting to sail without a few extra
crew
who know how to sail since Bubbles doesn't, 5) not having a TV cable
and
power cable long enough to provided uninterrupted soap operas.
Max


Sorry...you made all that up. When we have poor sailing weather with
little wind and lots of heat, we say "it's rough out there!"

It also means abrasive, nasty and quite a few other things. Pass
remedial English and get back to us. I'm off to my boat!


RB
35s5
NY

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote ...
By rough I meant NO AIR at all. Races have been
called because of it.



Yeah, if they exceed the 90 minute limit. Duh.


Oh boy. How about when everyone is just sitting, moving
backwards with
the current

The smart ones will anchor.

SV

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:21:06 -0400, "Scotty"

wrote:

"Swab Rob" wrote ...
By rough I meant NO AIR at all. Races have been
called because of it.



Yeah, if they exceed the 90 minute limit. Duh.


Oh boy. How about when everyone is just sitting, moving
backwards with
the current

The smart ones will anchor.

SV

And what would you do, Scotty?


Whatever the skipper tells me to do.

SV

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There are palm trees in the Matrix.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
By rough I meant NO AIR at all. Races have been called because of it.



Yeah, if they exceed the 90 minute limit. Duh.


Oh boy. How about when everyone is just sitting, moving backwards with
the current and not having fun to the point that the little 3.5's are
started up and everyone heads home? Is the race "called" then, Maxi?

Not according to the racing rules. If any boats continue to participate,
the race isn't called until the 90 minute limit is met.

As usual, you're completely clueless.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Here's Heart of Gold (Previously Windward First) with her PO, about 2
months before we bought her in October. This is a municipal marina
about 20 minutes from Salt Creek.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/spflorida.jpg


Holey Moley.... that looks like a SMALL boat for being a 35 footer!!!

CM-

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:MjUxg.133655$A8.120520@clgrps12...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Here's Heart of Gold (Previously Windward First) with
her PO, about 2
months before we bought her in October. This is a
municipal marina
about 20 minutes from Salt Creek.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/spflorida.jpg


Holey Moley.... that looks like a SMALL boat for being a
35 footer!!!


35 footer? Mooron, you;re drunk, that's a MacGregor 26 X.
26 footer!

SV

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:MjUxg.133655$A8.120520@clgrps12...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Here's Heart of Gold (Previously Windward First) with
her PO, about 2
months before we bought her in October. This is a
municipal marina
about 20 minutes from Salt Creek.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/spflorida.jpg


Holey Moley.... that looks like a SMALL boat for being a
35 footer!!!


35 footer? Mooron, you;re drunk, that's a MacGregor 26 X.
26 footer!

Oh!.... here I thought I'd needed to get a bigger screen!! Phew!
Now where did I put my bottle?

CM-