Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

I had a rather unpleasant experience sailing on July 4th. One of my
guests managed to break the head while pumping. On the up-stroke he
completely separated the top of the pump assembly tearing out six
screws in the process. Since the price of a new pump is only a few
dollars less than the price of a new toilet I decided to replace. I
removed the old Jabsco compact manual toilet and went to West Marine
where a sales person highly recommended the Jabsco Compact Electric
Toilet. This is an extra $400 over the manual model but I started to
think that it might not be a bad idea. To be honest, I am getting
tired of explaining the workings of a marine toilet to guests who
manage to forget everything you told them when they actually go to use
the head. Everyone knows how to push a button. I certainly don't want
a repeat of the July 4th fiasco. So here are my questions for anyone
who has installed this electric toilet. Are you happy with it? I
notice that all the photos of this toilet show the motor on the back
of the toilet, is it adjustable so that it will work to the right
(while facing the toilet) where there is more room on my boat? Any and
all advice will be greatly appreciated.

Ken

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

You might want to try asking Peggy Hall on rec.boats.cruising.

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"Ken" wrote in message
...

I had a rather unpleasant experience sailing on July 4th. One of my
guests managed to break the head while pumping. On the up-stroke he
completely separated the top of the pump assembly tearing out six
screws in the process. Since the price of a new pump is only a few
dollars less than the price of a new toilet I decided to replace. I
removed the old Jabsco compact manual toilet and went to West Marine
where a sales person highly recommended the Jabsco Compact Electric
Toilet. This is an extra $400 over the manual model but I started to
think that it might not be a bad idea. To be honest, I am getting
tired of explaining the workings of a marine toilet to guests who
manage to forget everything you told them when they actually go to use
the head. Everyone knows how to push a button. I certainly don't want
a repeat of the July 4th fiasco. So here are my questions for anyone
who has installed this electric toilet. Are you happy with it? I
notice that all the photos of this toilet show the motor on the back
of the toilet, is it adjustable so that it will work to the right
(while facing the toilet) where there is more room on my boat? Any and
all advice will be greatly appreciated.

Ken

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Everyone knows how to push a button. I certainly don't want
a repeat of the July 4th fiasco.


We had an electric head on our C&C 32 and it was 100% reliable and no
problem for anyone. On our current Beneteau we have the conventional
pump head and it's a PIA to explain it's workings to people and simply
less effective. We're converting to the electric before next season. If
you have a lot of guests, it's VERY worthwhile.
Ours had no provision for pumping if power failed. We never drained our
batteries flat, but I could see how a manual backup is not a bad idea.
If you own a boat with two heads, I'd keep one as a manual, which is
what my friend did on his Tayana. Good luck!


RB
35s5
NY

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Swab Rob" the racist wrote

On our current Beneteau we have the conventional
pump head and it's a PIA to explain it's workings
to dumb white people.
We're converting to the electric before next season. If
you have a lot of black guests, it's VERY worthwhile.

RB
35s5 ...''Soultrain''
NYC Bro !

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Having had both, I'd opt for the manual hands down. If you flush while off
shore power and und sail, the drain on the battery is tremeous...
"Ken" wrote in message
...

I had a rather unpleasant experience sailing on July 4th. One of my
guests managed to break the head while pumping. On the up-stroke he
completely separated the top of the pump assembly tearing out six
screws in the process. Since the price of a new pump is only a few
dollars less than the price of a new toilet I decided to replace. I
removed the old Jabsco compact manual toilet and went to West Marine
where a sales person highly recommended the Jabsco Compact Electric
Toilet. This is an extra $400 over the manual model but I started to
think that it might not be a bad idea. To be honest, I am getting
tired of explaining the workings of a marine toilet to guests who
manage to forget everything you told them when they actually go to use
the head. Everyone knows how to push a button. I certainly don't want
a repeat of the July 4th fiasco. So here are my questions for anyone
who has installed this electric toilet. Are you happy with it? I
notice that all the photos of this toilet show the motor on the back
of the toilet, is it adjustable so that it will work to the right
(while facing the toilet) where there is more room on my boat? Any and
all advice will be greatly appreciated.

Ken

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Having had both, I'd opt for the manual hands down. If you flush while
off
shore power and und sail, the drain on the battery is tremeous...



This is bad advice. The power drain is actually small and Katy does not
know the power setup of the boat at all. If she had it and it drained
her batteries, then she simply didn't know how to configure her house
supply.
An electric head makes plenty of sense if you have set it up correctly.
Our 35s5 has three group 27's and it will be no problem. The best setup
is with boats that have two heads so you can designate one for guests
with the electric.


RB
35s5
NY

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


This is bad advice. The power drain is actually small and Katy does not
know the power setup of the boat at all. If she had it and it drained
her batteries, then she simply didn't know how to configure her house
supply.

Draws 250 watts peak:

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/boate...37045-data.pdf

150 watts continuous. That's over 10 amps.

The top of the line deep cycle battery can do 10 amps for about 2 hours.
Assuming one minute flushes, that 120 flushes using 60 gallons of water.



An electric head makes plenty of sense if you have set it up correctly.
Our 35s5 has three group 27's and it will be no problem. The best setup
is with boats that have two heads so you can designate one for guests
with the electric.

Three toilets! Is that enough?

Talk about a lady's boat.




RB
35s5
NY

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"katysails" wrote ...

If you flush while off
shore power and und sail,

Not a problem for bob.

SV

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

I agree. In the long term for distance cruising, manual is better. It
doesn't take long to teach someone how to use a manual head. We had an
electric for about 1000 miles. It worked, but people felt that they could
put regular TP in it, and as a result it jammed a few times. They're nice at
the dock or for day sails, but after that they're a PITA (no pun intended).

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"katysails" wrote in message
...
Having had both, I'd opt for the manual hands down. If you flush while
off
shore power and und sail, the drain on the battery is tremeous...
"Ken" wrote in message
...

I had a rather unpleasant experience sailing on July 4th. One of my
guests managed to break the head while pumping. On the up-stroke he
completely separated the top of the pump assembly tearing out six
screws in the process. Since the price of a new pump is only a few
dollars less than the price of a new toilet I decided to replace. I
removed the old Jabsco compact manual toilet and went to West Marine
where a sales person highly recommended the Jabsco Compact Electric
Toilet. This is an extra $400 over the manual model but I started to
think that it might not be a bad idea. To be honest, I am getting
tired of explaining the workings of a marine toilet to guests who
manage to forget everything you told them when they actually go to use
the head. Everyone knows how to push a button. I certainly don't want
a repeat of the July 4th fiasco. So here are my questions for anyone
who has installed this electric toilet. Are you happy with it? I
notice that all the photos of this toilet show the motor on the back
of the toilet, is it adjustable so that it will work to the right
(while facing the toilet) where there is more room on my boat? Any and
all advice will be greatly appreciated.

Ken

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

You seem to be assuming that with an electric head all you have to do is to
tell your guests to press the button when they are ready to flush.
If you did any serious sailing you would realise that you still have to
train your guests to open and then shut seacocks before and after use or one
day you are going to have a flood. If your head is below the water line you
do not even have to be sailing for this to be a necessity.
Edgar
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


An electric head makes plenty of sense if you have set it up correctly.
Our 35s5 has three group 27's and it will be no problem. The best setup
is with boats that have two heads so you can designate one for guests
with the electric.


RB
35s5
NY

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Cedar bucket. Period.

Respectfully
Adm. Neil®

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"Ken" wrote in message

:: I had a rather unpleasant experience sailing on July 4th. One of my
:: guests managed to break the head while pumping. On the up-stroke he
:: completely separated the top of the pump assembly tearing out six
:: screws in the process. Since the price of a new pump is only a few
:: dollars less than the price of a new toilet I decided to replace. I
:: removed the old Jabsco compact manual toilet and went to West
Marine
:: where a sales person highly recommended the Jabsco Compact Electric
:: Toilet. This is an extra $400 over the manual model but I started
to
:: think that it might not be a bad idea. To be honest, I am getting
:: tired of explaining the workings of a marine toilet to guests who
:: manage to forget everything you told them when they actually go to
use
:: the head. Everyone knows how to push a button. I certainly don't
want
:: a repeat of the July 4th fiasco. So here are my questions for
anyone
:: who has installed this electric toilet. Are you happy with it? I
:: notice that all the photos of this toilet show the motor on the
back
:: of the toilet, is it adjustable so that it will work to the right
:: (while facing the toilet) where there is more room on my boat? Any
and
:: all advice will be greatly appreciated.
::
:: Ken

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Edgar" wrote

If you did any serious sailing

Bwahahahahah Oh my Edgar, you *are* the funny one today.

;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:53:46 +0200, "Edgar"
wrote:


If you did any serious sailing you would realise that you still have to
train your guests to open and then shut seacocks before and after use or one
day you are going to have a flood. If your head is below the water line you
do not even have to be sailing for this to be a necessity.
Edgar


And if you did any serious sailing you would know that some boats are
equipped with holding tanks and do not require that seacocks be opened
or closed by guests.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:53:46 +0200, "Edgar"

wrote:


If you did any serious sailing you would realise that you
still have to
train your guests to open and then shut seacocks before
and after use or one
day you are going to have a flood. If your head is below
the water line you
do not even have to be sailing for this to be a
necessity.
Edgar


And if you did any serious sailing you would know that
some boats are
equipped with holding tanks and do not require that
seacocks be opened
or closed by guests.

So, where does the flush water come from?

Scotty, a non serious sailor

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Scotty... is Ken serious? We close the thru hulls for head intake underway,
and we instruct guest on how to open them. Holding tanks are the other end,
but Ken seems to be sucking from the wrong end of the pipe.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:53:46 +0200, "Edgar"

wrote:


If you did any serious sailing you would realise that you
still have to
train your guests to open and then shut seacocks before
and after use or one
day you are going to have a flood. If your head is below
the water line you
do not even have to be sailing for this to be a
necessity.
Edgar


And if you did any serious sailing you would know that
some boats are
equipped with holding tanks and do not require that
seacocks be opened
or closed by guests.

So, where does the flush water come from?

Scotty, a non serious sailor

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Well, I did say serious sailing and to me that means offshore. Ok, if you
want to let them fill the holding tank when it is perfectly acceptable to
send it straight overboard.

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:53:46 +0200, "Edgar"
wrote:


If you did any serious sailing you would realise that you still have to
train your guests to open and then shut seacocks before and after use or
one
day you are going to have a flood. If your head is below the water line
you
do not even have to be sailing for this to be a necessity.
Edgar


And if you did any serious sailing you would know that some boats are
equipped with holding tanks and do not require that seacocks be opened
or closed by guests.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:39:02 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote:


So, where does the flush water come from?

Scotty, a non serious sailor



The Sink. Fresh Water= Less Odor.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:03:26 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Scotty... is Ken serious? We close the thru hulls for head intake underway,
and we instruct guest on how to open them. Holding tanks are the other end,
but Ken seems to be sucking from the wrong end of the pipe.


Look, I asked for advice from people who have electric heads. If you
don't have one why are you wasting your time trying to impress us with
how much more knowledgable and experience you have than anyone else.
It is time for you to get a life. You might even think about steping
on to a boat, for instance.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Edgar" wrote in message
...
Well, I did say serious sailing and to me that means offshore. Ok, if you
want to let them fill the holding tank when it is perfectly acceptable to
send it straight overboard.

Ballast!

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:39:02 -0400, "Scotty"

wrote:


So, where does the flush water come from?

Scotty, a non serious sailor



The Sink. Fresh Water= Less Odor.

I do that on 3-4 day sails, but you said ''serious
sailing''. In that case it would be a horrible waste of
fresh water, no?

Scotty

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Understand that Jon is GAY and therefore an expert on anything related to
assholes.... gawd knows he's packed enough of them.

CM-

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:03:26 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Scotty... is Ken serious? We close the thru hulls for head intake
underway,
and we instruct guest on how to open them. Holding tanks are the other
end,
but Ken seems to be sucking from the wrong end of the pipe.


Look, I asked for advice from people who have electric heads. If you
don't have one why are you wasting your time trying to impress us with
how much more knowledgable and experience you have than anyone else.
It is time for you to get a life. You might even think about steping
on to a boat, for instance.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Have one or have experience with them? I travelled 1000 miles with one. How
about you? So, I ask again, are you serious? Do you know anything about the
subject? I think not.

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"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:03:26 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Scotty... is Ken serious? We close the thru hulls for head intake
underway,
and we instruct guest on how to open them. Holding tanks are the other
end,
but Ken seems to be sucking from the wrong end of the pipe.


Look, I asked for advice from people who have electric heads. If you
don't have one why are you wasting your time trying to impress us with
how much more knowledgable and experience you have than anyone else.
It is time for you to get a life. You might even think about steping
on to a boat, for instance.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Understand that Mooron is a very, very angry guy, with some personality
problems. Mooron is apparently an expert when it comes to being gay.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:Rfasg.129108$S61.11966@edtnps90...
Understand that Jon is GAY and therefore an expert on anything related to
assholes.... gawd knows he's packed enough of them.

CM-

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:03:26 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Scotty... is Ken serious? We close the thru hulls for head intake
underway,
and we instruct guest on how to open them. Holding tanks are the other
end,
but Ken seems to be sucking from the wrong end of the pipe.


Look, I asked for advice from people who have electric heads. If you
don't have one why are you wasting your time trying to impress us with
how much more knowledgable and experience you have than anyone else.
It is time for you to get a life. You might even think about steping
on to a boat, for instance.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Ken, that's fine for a very short sail. But, any serious sailing requires
the conservation of fresh water.

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"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:39:02 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote:


So, where does the flush water come from?

Scotty, a non serious sailor



The Sink. Fresh Water= Less Odor.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Also true.. if you're far enough offshore, you don't use the holding tank.

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"Edgar" wrote in message
...
Well, I did say serious sailing and to me that means offshore. Ok, if you
want to let them fill the holding tank when it is perfectly acceptable to
send it straight overboard.

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:53:46 +0200, "Edgar"
wrote:


If you did any serious sailing you would realise that you still have to
train your guests to open and then shut seacocks before and after use or
one
day you are going to have a flood. If your head is below the water line
you
do not even have to be sailing for this to be a necessity.
Edgar


And if you did any serious sailing you would know that some boats are
equipped with holding tanks and do not require that seacocks be opened
or closed by guests.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Oh, and I apologize for the "wrong end of the pipe" comment. You're a newbie
here, and I should have given you a break.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Have one or have experience with them? I travelled 1000 miles with one.
How about you? So, I ask again, are you serious? Do you know anything
about the subject? I think not.

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"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:03:26 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Scotty... is Ken serious? We close the thru hulls for head intake
underway,
and we instruct guest on how to open them. Holding tanks are the other
end,
but Ken seems to be sucking from the wrong end of the pipe.


Look, I asked for advice from people who have electric heads. If you
don't have one why are you wasting your time trying to impress us with
how much more knowledgable and experience you have than anyone else.
It is time for you to get a life. You might even think about steping
on to a boat, for instance.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Well, personally, I like to go away a bit thristy.

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:47:00 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Ken, that's fine for a very short sail. But, any serious sailing requires
the conservation of fresh water.

Where did you read that?

CWM

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Why don't you carry dehydrated water?

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Maybe he adheres to the Bobspit Rule of Sailing, ''Never
sail more than 15 minutes motoring time from your slip''.

Scotty

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Ken, that's fine for a very short sail. But, any serious
sailing requires
the conservation of fresh water.

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"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:39:02 -0400, "Scotty"

wrote:


So, where does the flush water come from?

Scotty, a non serious sailor



The Sink. Fresh Water= Less Odor.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

But you still need some flush water which would come in
through a through hull, no?





"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Also true.. if you're far enough offshore, you don't use
the holding tank.

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"Edgar" wrote in message
...
Well, I did say serious sailing and to me that means
offshore. Ok, if you
want to let them fill the holding tank when it is
perfectly acceptable to
send it straight overboard.

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:53:46 +0200, "Edgar"

wrote:


If you did any serious sailing you would realise that
you still have to
train your guests to open and then shut seacocks
before and after use or
one
day you are going to have a flood. If your head is
below the water line
you
do not even have to be sailing for this to be a
necessity.
Edgar


And if you did any serious sailing you would know that
some boats are
equipped with holding tanks and do not require that
seacocks be opened
or closed by guests.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Capt. JG" wrote ...
. Mooron is apparently an expert when it comes to being
gay.

So, he is correct about you then?

;)

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Scotty" wrote in message

"Capt. JG" wrote ...
. Mooron is apparently an expert when it comes to being
gay.

So, he is correct about you then?

;)

Hah..... Too Funny!! I got Ganz KF'd so I don't have to read his whiny
replies.
Good to see he still bites at every cast... he's so Gay!

CM

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote

"Capt. JG" wrote ...
. Mooron is apparently an expert when it comes to being
gay.

So, he is correct about you then?

;)

Hah..... Too Funny!! I got Ganz KF'd so I don't have to
read his whiny
replies.
Good to see he still bites at every cast... he's so Gay!

if you say so, you're the expert!

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
"Capt.Mooron" wrote

"Capt. JG" wrote ...
. Mooron is apparently an expert when it comes to being
gay.

So, he is correct about you then?

;)

Hah..... Too Funny!! I got Ganz KF'd so I don't have to
read his whiny
replies.
Good to see he still bites at every cast... he's so Gay!

if you say so, you're the expert!

According to Ganz...

CM-

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Mooron doesn't have me KF'd. It really is sad to see someone go from being
so angry to having to lie to people.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
"Capt.Mooron" wrote

"Capt. JG" wrote ...
. Mooron is apparently an expert when it comes to being
gay.

So, he is correct about you then?

;)

Hah..... Too Funny!! I got Ganz KF'd so I don't have to
read his whiny
replies.
Good to see he still bites at every cast... he's so Gay!

if you say so, you're the expert!

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

A very sad, angry guy... we feel sorry for you Mooron. I suggest getting
some psychiatric help.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:55hsg.135161$771.87698@edtnps89...

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
"Capt.Mooron" wrote

"Capt. JG" wrote ...
. Mooron is apparently an expert when it comes to being
gay.

So, he is correct about you then?

;)

Hah..... Too Funny!! I got Ganz KF'd so I don't have to
read his whiny
replies.
Good to see he still bites at every cast... he's so Gay!

if you say so, you're the expert!

According to Ganz...

CM-

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

A saw a can of that once. It had a little bean rattling around in it.

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...
Why don't you carry dehydrated water?

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

Yeah... but not fresh water from the boat. That's just a waste of good
water.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
But you still need some flush water which would come in
through a through hull, no?





"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Also true.. if you're far enough offshore, you don't use
the holding tank.

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"Edgar" wrote in message
...
Well, I did say serious sailing and to me that means
offshore. Ok, if you
want to let them fill the holding tank when it is
perfectly acceptable to
send it straight overboard.

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:53:46 +0200, "Edgar"

wrote:


If you did any serious sailing you would realise that
you still have to
train your guests to open and then shut seacocks
before and after use or
one
day you are going to have a flood. If your head is
below the water line
you
do not even have to be sailing for this to be a
necessity.
Edgar


And if you did any serious sailing you would know that
some boats are
equipped with holding tanks and do not require that
seacocks be opened
or closed by guests.

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote:

Why don't you carry dehydrated water?

Capt. Neal does! He's brilliant...how do you think he flushes his cedar
bucket? :-)

LP

Manual or Electric Head? It is time to Replace.
 

"Admeril Neil®" wrote

Cedar bucket. Period.

Only for guys too lazy to fix their head(s).

None of you have any sense

Glad you could join us, you found you match, I see.

LP