Amen!!!
 

Colorado altitude works wonders:

Enron Founder Kenneth Lay Dies at 64
By KRISTEN HAYS, AP Business Writer
15 minutes ago

HOUSTON - Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay, who was convicted of helping
perpetuate one of the most sprawling business frauds in U.S. history, has
died of a heart attack in Colorado. He was 64.

A secretary at his church and another secretary for his lead criminal
lawyer, Michael Ramsey, both confirmed the death. Lay, who lived in Houston,
frequently vacationed in Colorado.

Lay, who faced life in prison, was scheduled to be sentenced Oct. 23.

Nicknamed "Kenny Boy" by President Bush, Lay led Enron's meteoric rise from
a staid natural gas pipeline company formed by a 1985 merger to an energy
and trading conglomerate that reached No. 7 on the Fortune 500 in 2000 and
claimed $101 billion in annual revenues.

He was convicted May 25 along with former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling of
defrauding investors and employees by repeatedly lying about Enron's
financial strength in the months before the company plummeted into
bankruptcy protection in December 2001. Lay was also convicted in a separate
non-jury trial of bank fraud and making false statements to banks, charges
related to his personal finances.

Lay had built Enron into a high-profile, widely admired company, the
seventh-largest publicly traded in the country. But Enron collapsed after it
was revealed the company's finances were based on a web of fraudulent
partnerships and schemes, not the profits that it reported to investors and
the public.

When Lay and Skilling went on trial in U.S. District Court Jan. 30, it had
been expected that Lay, who enjoyed great popularity throughout Houston as
chairman of the energy company, might be able to charm the jury. But during
his testimony, Lay ended up coming across as irritable and combative.

He also sounded arrogant, defending his extravagant lifestyle, including a
$200,000 yacht for wife Linda's birthday party, despite $100 million in
personal debt and saying "it was difficult to turn off that lifestyle like a
spigot."

Both he and Skilling maintained that there had been no wrongdoing at Enron,
and that the company had been brought down by negative publicity that
undermined investors' confidence.

His defense didn't help his case with jurors.

"I wanted very badly to believe what they were saying," juror Wendy Vaughan
said after the verdicts were announced. "There were places in the testimony
I felt their character was questionable."

Lay was born in Tyrone, Mo. and spent his childhood helping his family make
ends meet. His father ran a general store and sold stoves until he became a
minister. Lay delivered newspapers and mowed lawns to pitch in. He attended
the University of Missouri, found his calling in economics, and went to work
at Exxon Mobil Corp. predecessor Humble Oil & Refining upon graduation.

He joined the Navy, served his time at the Pentagon, and then served as
undersecretary for the Department of the Interior before he returned to
business. He became an executive at Florida Gas, then Transco Energy in
Houston, and later became CEO of Houston Natural Gas. In 1985, HNG merged
with InterNorth in Omaha, Neb. to form Enron, and Lay became chairman and
CEO of the combined company the next year.

Amen!!!
 

Bob Crantz wrote:

Colorado altitude works wonders:

Enron Founder Kenneth Lay Dies at 64
By KRISTEN HAYS, AP Business Writer
15 minutes ago

I'd demand a DNA test of the corpse, any missing itinerants reported in
the area? Check the airport!

Cheers
Marty

Amen!!!
 

Too bad. I wanted to see him in jail. At least his legacy of thievery is in
tact.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
Colorado altitude works wonders:

Enron Founder Kenneth Lay Dies at 64
By KRISTEN HAYS, AP Business Writer
15 minutes ago

HOUSTON - Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay, who was convicted of helping
perpetuate one of the most sprawling business frauds in U.S. history, has
died of a heart attack in Colorado. He was 64.

A secretary at his church and another secretary for his lead criminal
lawyer, Michael Ramsey, both confirmed the death. Lay, who lived in
Houston, frequently vacationed in Colorado.

Lay, who faced life in prison, was scheduled to be sentenced Oct. 23.

Nicknamed "Kenny Boy" by President Bush, Lay led Enron's meteoric rise
from a staid natural gas pipeline company formed by a 1985 merger to an
energy and trading conglomerate that reached No. 7 on the Fortune 500 in
2000 and claimed $101 billion in annual revenues.

He was convicted May 25 along with former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling of
defrauding investors and employees by repeatedly lying about Enron's
financial strength in the months before the company plummeted into
bankruptcy protection in December 2001. Lay was also convicted in a
separate non-jury trial of bank fraud and making false statements to
banks, charges related to his personal finances.

Lay had built Enron into a high-profile, widely admired company, the
seventh-largest publicly traded in the country. But Enron collapsed after
it was revealed the company's finances were based on a web of fraudulent
partnerships and schemes, not the profits that it reported to investors
and the public.

When Lay and Skilling went on trial in U.S. District Court Jan. 30, it had
been expected that Lay, who enjoyed great popularity throughout Houston as
chairman of the energy company, might be able to charm the jury. But
during his testimony, Lay ended up coming across as irritable and
combative.

He also sounded arrogant, defending his extravagant lifestyle, including a
$200,000 yacht for wife Linda's birthday party, despite $100 million in
personal debt and saying "it was difficult to turn off that lifestyle like
a spigot."

Both he and Skilling maintained that there had been no wrongdoing at
Enron, and that the company had been brought down by negative publicity
that undermined investors' confidence.

His defense didn't help his case with jurors.

"I wanted very badly to believe what they were saying," juror Wendy
Vaughan said after the verdicts were announced. "There were places in the
testimony I felt their character was questionable."

Lay was born in Tyrone, Mo. and spent his childhood helping his family
make ends meet. His father ran a general store and sold stoves until he
became a minister. Lay delivered newspapers and mowed lawns to pitch in.
He attended the University of Missouri, found his calling in economics,
and went to work at Exxon Mobil Corp. predecessor Humble Oil & Refining
upon graduation.

He joined the Navy, served his time at the Pentagon, and then served as
undersecretary for the Department of the Interior before he returned to
business. He became an executive at Florida Gas, then Transco Energy in
Houston, and later became CEO of Houston Natural Gas. In 1985, HNG merged
with InterNorth in Omaha, Neb. to form Enron, and Lay became chairman and
CEO of the combined company the next year.

Amen!!!
 

He'll be living in the lava lakes forever now.....hope he likes hot
weather....

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Too bad. I wanted to see him in jail. At least his legacy of thievery is
in
tact.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
Colorado altitude works wonders:

Enron Founder Kenneth Lay Dies at 64
By KRISTEN HAYS, AP Business Writer
15 minutes ago

HOUSTON - Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay, who was convicted of helping
perpetuate one of the most sprawling business frauds in U.S. history,
has
died of a heart attack in Colorado. He was 64.

A secretary at his church and another secretary for his lead criminal
lawyer, Michael Ramsey, both confirmed the death. Lay, who lived in
Houston, frequently vacationed in Colorado.

Lay, who faced life in prison, was scheduled to be sentenced Oct. 23.

Nicknamed "Kenny Boy" by President Bush, Lay led Enron's meteoric rise
from a staid natural gas pipeline company formed by a 1985 merger to an
energy and trading conglomerate that reached No. 7 on the Fortune 500 in
2000 and claimed $101 billion in annual revenues.

He was convicted May 25 along with former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling of
defrauding investors and employees by repeatedly lying about Enron's
financial strength in the months before the company plummeted into
bankruptcy protection in December 2001. Lay was also convicted in a
separate non-jury trial of bank fraud and making false statements to
banks, charges related to his personal finances.

Lay had built Enron into a high-profile, widely admired company, the
seventh-largest publicly traded in the country. But Enron collapsed
after
it was revealed the company's finances were based on a web of fraudulent
partnerships and schemes, not the profits that it reported to investors
and the public.

When Lay and Skilling went on trial in U.S. District Court Jan. 30, it
had
been expected that Lay, who enjoyed great popularity throughout Houston
as
chairman of the energy company, might be able to charm the jury. But
during his testimony, Lay ended up coming across as irritable and
combative.

He also sounded arrogant, defending his extravagant lifestyle, including
a
$200,000 yacht for wife Linda's birthday party, despite $100 million in
personal debt and saying "it was difficult to turn off that lifestyle
like
a spigot."

Both he and Skilling maintained that there had been no wrongdoing at
Enron, and that the company had been brought down by negative publicity
that undermined investors' confidence.

His defense didn't help his case with jurors.

"I wanted very badly to believe what they were saying," juror Wendy
Vaughan said after the verdicts were announced. "There were places in
the
testimony I felt their character was questionable."

Lay was born in Tyrone, Mo. and spent his childhood helping his family
make ends meet. His father ran a general store and sold stoves until he
became a minister. Lay delivered newspapers and mowed lawns to pitch in.
He attended the University of Missouri, found his calling in economics,
and went to work at Exxon Mobil Corp. predecessor Humble Oil & Refining
upon graduation.

He joined the Navy, served his time at the Pentagon, and then served as
undersecretary for the Department of the Interior before he returned to
business. He became an executive at Florida Gas, then Transco Energy in
Houston, and later became CEO of Houston Natural Gas. In 1985, HNG
merged
with InterNorth in Omaha, Neb. to form Enron, and Lay became chairman
and
CEO of the combined company the next year.

Amen!!!
 

"katysails" wrote:
He'll be living in the lava lakes forever now.....hope he likes hot
weather....

I didn't know katy was Jesus Christ! I thought judgment was reserved for
the "end times"...

LP

Amen!!!
 

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message

I thought judgment was reserved for
the "end times"...

When one is speaking of eternity there is no such thing as "end times".

I believe you may be in the VIP line for your lava filled hot tub.

Amen!

Amen!!!
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote:
"Lady Pilot" wrote in message

I thought judgment was reserved for
the "end times"...

When one is speaking of eternity there is no such thing as "end times".

I'm talking about the times as we know it now, before judgment.

I believe you may be in the VIP line for your lava filled hot tub.

Yeah, but I'm a long way down the line, behind people that hate and wish
other fellow sailors dead. Like katysails wishing Capt. Neal dead. Where's
the outrage? Everyone was really ****ed when BB did the same thing to Ole
Thom. Would that make them hypocrites?

LP

Amen!!!
 

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
news:7VBsg.26488$8q.15035@dukeread08...

"Bob Crantz" wrote:
"Lady Pilot" wrote in message

I thought judgment was reserved for
the "end times"...

When one is speaking of eternity there is no such thing as "end times".

I'm talking about the times as we know it now, before judgment.

I believe you may be in the VIP line for your lava filled hot tub.

Yeah, but I'm a long way down the line, behind people that hate and wish
other fellow sailors dead. Like katysails wishing Capt. Neal dead.
Where's the outrage? Everyone was really ****ed when BB did the same
thing to Ole Thom. Would that make them hypocrites?


No, not really if one believes that all human life is not equal. Why then is
it ok to want Hitler to die? Why the death penalty? Why self defense?

I think it is natural for people to wish someone would die. The revealing
part is their reasoning for it. I remember back in the 70's and 80's praying
very hard for God to kill every Communist on earth. On that point I think
God let me down, but he did make Ronald Reagan the President and sure
enough, mega Commie ass was whipped!

Today, rather than pray for someone's death, I pray extra hard for God to
resurrect Barry Goldwater from the grave and make him President. Even though
Barry said that anyone who mixed religion and politics should go to hell, I
think God understood what Barry really meant.

Who do you wish for God to pull out of the ground and bring back to life? He
can do that you know.

Glory!

Amen!!!
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote :

"Lady Pilot" wrote:
Yeah, but I'm a long way down the line, behind people that hate and wish
other fellow sailors dead. Like katysails wishing Capt. Neal dead.
Where's the outrage? Everyone was really ****ed when BB did the same
thing to Ole Thom. Would that make them hypocrites?


No, not really if one believes that all human life is not equal.

So are you saying that God loves one person more than another?

Why then is it ok to want Hitler to die? Why the death penalty? Why self
defense?

You are comparing Capt. Neal to Hitler? Hmmm.
The death penalty is consequences. Self defense is just that...

I think it is natural for people to wish someone would die. The revealing
part is their reasoning for it.

I don't think it is natural for someone claiming to be a Christian. Maybe
Catholic, Islam, or just an athesist would come up with something like
wishing someone would die.

Today, rather than pray for someone's death, I pray extra hard for God to
resurrect Barry Goldwater from the grave and make him President. Even
though Barry said that anyone who mixed religion and politics should go to
hell, I think God understood what Barry really meant.

I would be praying about something a little more important, like current
politics and world conditions.

Who do you wish for God to pull out of the ground and bring back to life?
He can do that you know.

I don't have anyone that I wish God would bring back to life.

I don't wish any harm to come to any of my enemies either.

LP

Amen!!!
 

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
news:BADsg.26644$8q.9833@dukeread08...

"Bob Crantz" wrote :

"Lady Pilot" wrote:
Yeah, but I'm a long way down the line, behind people that hate and wish
other fellow sailors dead. Like katysails wishing Capt. Neal dead.
Where's the outrage? Everyone was really ****ed when BB did the same
thing to Ole Thom. Would that make them hypocrites?


No, not really if one believes that all human life is not equal.

So are you saying that God loves one person more than another?

Absolutely! God can be pretty mean. Look at all those he casts into the
lakes of lava. Does he do it because he loves them?



Why then is it ok to want Hitler to die? Why the death penalty? Why self
defense?

You are comparing Capt. Neal to Hitler? Hmmm.
The death penalty is consequences. Self defense is just that...

No, Hitler was shorter in stature. Did you want Hitler to live?



I think it is natural for people to wish someone would die. The revealing
part is their reasoning for it.

I don't think it is natural for someone claiming to be a Christian. Maybe
Catholic, Islam, or just an athesist would come up with something like
wishing someone would die.

So you are not in favor of the death penalty?

When someone is very sick and dying, you do not see death as a relief?

For the chosen few, dying means going to heaven.



Today, rather than pray for someone's death, I pray extra hard for God to
resurrect Barry Goldwater from the grave and make him President. Even
though Barry said that anyone who mixed religion and politics should go
to hell, I think God understood what Barry really meant.

I would be praying about something a little more important, like current
politics and world conditions.


Barry Goldwater would fix all the current politics and world conditions. I
am helping God in my prayers by pointing out the correct remedy for this
world. Goldwater in '08!

http://conservativebuys.com/cgi-bin/...htgear/1107915

http://conservativebuys.com/cgi-bin/...htgear/1107863

and last, but certainly not least:

http://www.cafepress.com/willisms.15335840

Jesus prefers the last one!



Who do you wish for God to pull out of the ground and bring back to life?
He can do that you know.

I don't have anyone that I wish God would bring back to life.

Not even Jesus?



I don't wish any harm to come to any of my enemies either.


I want to see evil crushed!


I'm beginning to think that you have no set of consistent values, or are a
hypocrite. Who did you vote for in '64? hmmm?