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Joe's boat has a hull speed of 13 knots.

Faster than a Swan 53!!!!



RB
35s5
NY

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Someone here has a 95 foot sailboat? Details, please! Photos?

CWM


Joe has claimed his motorsailor has a hull speed of 13 knots and sails
at over 9. It's 43 LOA, which makes it not only faster than my 35s5,
but also faster than a J133! It's the fastest sailing steel boat foot
for foot in the world.
Joe claims to know something about boats. 13 knots, folks. Faster than
a Jeneau 54 or Beneteau 57, faster even than a Swan 57 or Saga 48!!!!

Wowee Zoweeee!


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt" Rob wrote:
Joe has claimed his motorsailor has a hull speed of 13 knots and sails
at over 9. It's 43 LOA, which makes it not only faster than my 35s5,
but also faster than a J133!

A J-133 can go a lot faster than 9 or even 13 knots. Try
sailing one some time.

Joe claims to know something about boats. 13 knots, folks. Faster than
a Jeneau 54 or Beneteau 57, faster even than a Swan 57 or Saga 48!!!!

Wowee Zoweeee!


Charlie Morgan wrote:
Applying Froudes formula for hull speed, a 43 foot boat with a
displacement hull has a theoretical hull speed of about 8.79 knots.

That depends on the speed-length ratio, which of course
dependend on prismatic coefficient and length/beam ratio
among other things.

"Hull Speed" is not a carved-in-stone absolute figure.

DSK

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"Hull Speed" is not a carved-in-stone absolute figure.




True, but do you think's Joe's boat sails at 13 knots....it's "hull
speed?"

C'Mon, Doug. IF I said that you'd be drooling like Michael Jackson at a
Chucky Cheese.



RB
35s5
NY

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DSK wrote:
"Capt" Rob wrote:
Joe has claimed his motorsailor has a hull speed of 13 knots and sails
at over 9. It's 43 LOA, which makes it not only faster than my 35s5,
but also faster than a J133!

A J-133 can go a lot faster than 9 or even 13 knots. Try
sailing one some time.

Joe claims to know something about boats. 13 knots, folks. Faster than
a Jeneau 54 or Beneteau 57, faster even than a Swan 57 or Saga 48!!!!

Wowee Zoweeee!


Charlie Morgan wrote:
Applying Froudes formula for hull speed, a 43 foot boat with a
displacement hull has a theoretical hull speed of about 8.79 knots.

That depends on the speed-length ratio, which of course
dependend on prismatic coefficient and length/beam ratio
among other things.

"Hull Speed" is not a carved-in-stone absolute figure.

Correct you are Doug.

Bonehead failed to mention to Charlie that I also claimed to dimple my
hull like the underside of a Lexus to reduce drag with a ball pien
hammer to accomplish that speed. Bob took it hook line and sinker
.....now Charlie's sucking on his gills hoping to get a strand of chum.

Joe

DSK

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Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:05:20 -0400, DSK wrote:

Charlie Morgan wrote:
Applying Froudes formula for hull speed, a 43 foot boat with a
displacement hull has a theoretical hull speed of about 8.79 knots.

That depends on the speed-length ratio, which of course
dependend on prismatic coefficient and length/beam ratio
among other things.

"Hull Speed" is not a carved-in-stone absolute figure.

DSK

I believe I mentioned both the method I used to come up with that
figure, and I used the word "theoretical". Froudes formula is widely
accepted around the world for figuring approximate theoretical hull
speed. Where did you derive the notion that I felt it was carved in
stone? Do you know of some special reason (bordering on magic) why
Joe's boat would have a hull speed of 13 knots? I think the figure I
gave is probably close to the truth, or maybe even a bit optimistic.
If you think it is far off, I'd appreciate knowing your reasoning.

CWM

Your are just a **** hair shy of the true hull speed of my boat
Charlie.
Don't tell bonehead.

Joe

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Charlie Morgan wrote:

I just found what may a glaring error in my calculation. See if you
can figure it out.


You wanted to say: I just found what may BE a glaring error in my
calculation.

Instead of the nonsence you typed......grammer Nazi.

Joe
CWM

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"Hull Speed" is not a carved-in-stone absolute figure.


Charlie Morgan wrote:
I believe I mentioned both the method I used to come up with that
figure, and I used the word "theoretical". Froudes formula is widely
accepted around the world for figuring approximate theoretical hull
speed.

Yes, and he still uses a more-or-less arbitrary speed/length
ratio (usually given as 1.34), and also recognized that some
hulls can exceed this more easily than others.

.... Where did you derive the notion that I felt it was carved in
stone? Do you know of some special reason (bordering on magic) why
Joe's boat would have a hull speed of 13 knots? I think the figure I
gave is probably close to the truth, or maybe even a bit optimistic.
If you think it is far off, I'd appreciate knowing your reasoning.


Boats exceed their their theoretical hull speeds quite
often. Big heavy boats usually do it for only short periods
of time admittedly. "Hull Speed" is not a speed limit but a
wave-train limit. How can an 18 foot sailboat go faster than
20 knots?

You might do better to work backwrds... start with Joe's
figure of 13 knots and then figure what speed-length ratio
his boat would need to achieve for that, and look among the
design books to see what other types of craft (if any)
acheive that ratio.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
Do you guys have some bad history between yourselves or something?

Everyone here has some bad history between each other at one point or other.

It's all in good fun.... if you keep the topic directly sailing related...
they become confused.. get bored and eventually succumb to logic.

Good luck

CM-

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Capt. Rob wrote:

Joe's boat has a hull speed of 13 knots.

Faster than a Swan 53!!!!



RB
35s5
NY


Apparently you don't believe it. Joe has a fast boat, and in a good
wind, he can probably get up out of the water sufficiently that hull
speed doesn't matter anyway. - Try that on a Swan 53!

jim

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

DSK wrote:
"Capt" Rob wrote:
Joe has claimed his motorsailor has a hull speed of 13 knots and sails
at over 9. It's 43 LOA, which makes it not only faster than my 35s5,
but also faster than a J133!

A J-133 can go a lot faster than 9 or even 13 knots. Try
sailing one some time.

Joe claims to know something about boats. 13 knots, folks. Faster than
a Jeneau 54 or Beneteau 57, faster even than a Swan 57 or Saga 48!!!!

Wowee Zoweeee!


Charlie Morgan wrote:
Applying Froudes formula for hull speed, a 43 foot boat with a
displacement hull has a theoretical hull speed of about 8.79 knots.

That depends on the speed-length ratio, which of course
dependend on prismatic coefficient and length/beam ratio
among other things.

"Hull Speed" is not a carved-in-stone absolute figure.

Correct you are Doug.

Bonehead failed to mention to Charlie that I also claimed to dimple my
hull like the underside of a Lexus to reduce drag with a ball pien
hammer to accomplish that speed. Bob took it hook line and sinker
....now Charlie's sucking on his gills hoping to get a strand of chum.

The speed of sound in water is much faster than air. How big are those
dimples?

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

The speed of sound in water is much faster than air. How big are those
dimples?

You know darn well RedCloud got those "dimples" with the ball peen hammer
Joe was using to remove the barnacles.

CM-

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote:
Someone here has a 95 foot sailboat? Details, please! Photos?

Perhaps you are refering to me? I mentioned a client that had a 93 foot a
couple of months ago in Central America. No one hear was interested in
talking about sailboats, it was all about Kia mini-vans. But it explains
why they don't have a life and post here all day. :-)

http://members.cox.net/capt.neal/Fal...Clouds_028.jpg

LOA: 93'
LWL: 81'
BEAM: 20' 7"
DRAFT: 9' 6"
GUESTS: 6
GUEST CABINS: 3
FLAG: US
YEAR BUILT: 1993
DESIGNER: Nelson / Marek
BUILDER: Able Marine, Maine
ENGINE: Isuzu, 330HP
MAX SPEED: 12 Knots
RANGE
(under power): 1,500 NM @ 11 Knots
PROP: Hundested w/
variable pitch four-blade prop

THRUSTER: Lewmar Hydraulic Bow Thruster
FUEL: 1,000 gallons
WATER: 600 gallons
DISPL: 71 tons
TENDER:
· 2003 16' Achilles (ten man) inflatable w/ 30HP Honda outboard

EQUIPMENT:
· One Generator, two alternators
· One Water Maker
· Air Conditioning, throughout
· Clothes Washer and Dryer
· Autopilot
· Two Radars
· Electronic Chart

ENTERTAINMENT:

Television - Salon and Aft Cabin
Video - DVD and VHS
Music - Master Stereo in Main Salon
Speaker Locations - Salon, Deck, and Cockpit


ADVENTU

Fishing Gear - Rods and wide variety of tackle
Snorkel and Diving Equipment
Brownies Third Lung



SAFETY:

Adult Life Jackets
Two Man Overboard Modules
· Two 6 Person SAR Life Rafts w/ portable water makers
· Two state of the art EPIRB's


COMMUNICATIONS:

· KVH Satcom for telephone, fax, email & television
· Secondary Iridium Mobile Satellite Phone
· Tri Band Cellular Telephones



SAILS:

· Mainsail
· Furling reaching Genoa

Furling 100% Self Tacking Jib

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote:

You know darn well RedCloud got those "dimples" with the ball peen hammer
Joe was using to remove the barnacles.

You know...I think you are onto something. I can just envision Joe doing
just that.

LP

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Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 01:18:04 -0500, "Lady Pilot" wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote:
Someone here has a 95 foot sailboat? Details, please! Photos?

Perhaps you are refering to me? I mentioned a client that had a 93 foot a
couple of months ago in Central America. No one hear was interested in
talking about sailboats, it was all about Kia mini-vans. But it explains
why they don't have a life and post here all day. :-)


No, it turns out it's "Joe" from Texas, who must be pretty new to boats, as he
thinks (insists!) that "hull speed" and "top speed" are the same thing. He made
a simple mistake, and then kept repeating it. He tends to make a lot of those.
His boat's theoretical hull speed is no where near what he claimed.

CWM

Charlie,

You are dumber than ****. And still sucking on the troll bait hanging
outta Bubbles gills.
If you feel you have the need to flop about the deck, find some fresh
bait.

Joe

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Charlie Horse wrote:


Charlie,

You are dumber than ****. And still sucking on the troll bait hanging
outta Bubbles gills.
If you feel you have the need to flop about the deck, find some fresh
bait.

Joe

I'm not the one who made an ass of himself claiming his boat defied the laws of
physics, and then insisting he was correct even after the error was pointed out
and proven to him, Joe.


No you are the asshole who failed to see a troll. In the same troll
that your butt buddy Bob took, hook line and sinker, I also claimed to
reach 13 kt by using a hammer to dimple my hull like a golf ball, or
Lexus. Only a total retard like Robert, and now you... would fall for
such a troll. That's OK you look better and natural with a hook in your
lip Charlie, it matches the swastika carved in your forehead.

Joe

CWM

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote:

His boat's theoretical hull speed is no where near what he claimed.

I will take your word for it, since I don't know. I posted a link to his
boat, it could be even smaller than I told you earlier.

LP