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Extremism is no vice!
By JENNIFER TALHELM
WASHINGTON Jun 23, 2006 (AP)- A Republican gubernatorial candidate's call for creation of a forced labor camp for illegal immigrants drew rebukes Friday from two GOP lawmakers, who labeled it a low point in the immigration debate. Don Goldwater, nephew of the late Sen. Barry Goldwater, caused an international stir this week when EFE, a Mexican news service, quoted him as saying he wanted to hold undocumented immigrants in camps to use them "as labor in the construction of a wall and to clean the areas of the Arizona desert that they're polluting." The article described Goldwater's plan as a "concentration camp" for migrants. Goldwater, a candidate for governor in Arizona, said in a statement Friday that his comments were taken out of context. He said he was calling for a work program for convicted nonviolent felons, similar to "tried and tested, effective and accepted practices" used by state and local jails. But two Republicans, Arizona Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jim Kolbe, called Goldwater's comments "deeply offensive" and asked state Republicans to reject his candidacy in the Sept. 12 primary. "That Mr. Goldwater is either unaware of or indifferent to the loaded symbolism, injustice and un-Americanism of his 'plan' to address the many serious issues caused by illegal immigration reveals his flaws as a candidate and a stunning lack of respect for the basic values of a generous and decent society," McCain said in a statement. Kolbe said that if the comments are true, Goldwater "has demonstrated his complete unworthiness for public office, and I am confident he will be soundly rejected by Republicans from the party of Barry Goldwater, who consistently demonstrated his compassion and respect for all people. This is a sad day in the national debate on immigration policy." McCain and Kolbe favor a guest-worker program for illegal immigrants. Goldwater made a similar comment at an April anti-immigration rally. "Build us that wall now!" Goldwater said, referring to a proposal to add 700 miles of fences along the U.S.-Mexico border. He promised then that if elected, he would put illegal immigrants in a tent city on the border and use their labor to build the wall. AMEN!!!! |
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Bob Crantz wrote:
By JENNIFER TALHELM WASHINGTON Jun 23, 2006 (AP)- A Republican gubernatorial candidate's call for creation of a forced labor camp for illegal immigrants drew rebukes Friday from two GOP lawmakers, who labeled it a low point in the immigration debate. Don Goldwater, nephew of the late Sen. Barry Goldwater, caused an international stir this week when EFE, a Mexican news service, quoted him as saying he wanted to hold undocumented immigrants in camps to use them "as labor in the construction of a wall and to clean the areas of the Arizona desert that they're polluting." The article described Goldwater's plan as a "concentration camp" for migrants. Goldwater, a candidate for governor in Arizona, said in a statement Friday that his comments were taken out of context. He said he was calling for a work program for convicted nonviolent felons, similar to "tried and tested, effective and accepted practices" used by state and local jails. But two Republicans, Arizona Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jim Kolbe, called Goldwater's comments "deeply offensive" and asked state Republicans to reject his candidacy in the Sept. 12 primary. "That Mr. Goldwater is either unaware of or indifferent to the loaded symbolism, injustice and un-Americanism of his 'plan' to address the many serious issues caused by illegal immigration reveals his flaws as a candidate and a stunning lack of respect for the basic values of a generous and decent society," McCain said in a statement. Kolbe said that if the comments are true, Goldwater "has demonstrated his complete unworthiness for public office, and I am confident he will be soundly rejected by Republicans from the party of Barry Goldwater, who consistently demonstrated his compassion and respect for all people. This is a sad day in the national debate on immigration policy." McCain and Kolbe favor a guest-worker program for illegal immigrants. Goldwater made a similar comment at an April anti-immigration rally. "Build us that wall now!" Goldwater said, referring to a proposal to add 700 miles of fences along the U.S.-Mexico border. He promised then that if elected, he would put illegal immigrants in a tent city on the border and use their labor to build the wall. AMEN!!!! I know what we can do with all these illegal immigrants! We can putt hem to work on our farms for very low wages and fill an employ,ment gap that exists because unemployed Americans won't do that kind of work.... |
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OzOne wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:11:43 -0400, katy scribbled thusly: I know what we can do with all these illegal immigrants! We can putt hem to work on our farms for very low wages and fill an employ,ment gap that exists because unemployed Americans won't do that kind of work.... Isn't that what they're already doing? Hell, in California, 90% of menial work appears to be done by illegals. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. well, duh, OZ...it's a reply to a Crantz blurb... |
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OzOne wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:35:14 -0400, katy scribbled thusly: well, duh, OZ...it's a reply to a Crantz blurb... Sorry, I only read 10% of what's here these days. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. I suppose I should have doen the emoticon thing, but I've never got into that... |
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OzOne wrote: On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:11:43 -0400, katy scribbled thusly: I know what we can do with all these illegal immigrants! We can putt hem to work on our farms for very low wages and fill an employ,ment gap that exists because unemployed Americans won't do that kind of work.... Isn't that what they're already doing? Hell, in California, 90% of menial work appears to be done by illegals. Oh...wan't the real numbers on illegal immigration Info submitted to rebuke Sen. McCain's story about the Senate bill on Amnesty and his statistics of how many American people are FOR this bill. Feel free to forward this to as many friends and political representatives as you wish. 2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigration 62% of all "undocumented immigrants" in the United States are working for cash and not paying taxes, predominantly illegal aliens, working without a green card; 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens; 83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens; 86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens; 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Albuquerque are illegal aliens; More than 380,000 "anchor babies" were born in the United States in 2005 were to parents who are illegal aliens; making those 380,000 babies automatically U.S. Citizens. 97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayer; More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers; 24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally; 40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally; 48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally; 29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually; More than 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages; More than 53% of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens; More than half of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border; More than 43% of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens; More than 41% of all unemployment checks issued in the United States are to illegal aliens; 58% of all Welfare payments in the United States are issued to illegal aliens; Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties in the United States are illegal aliens; 14 out of 31 TV stations in L. A. Are Spanish-only; 16 out of 28 TV stations in Phoenix are Spanish-only; 15 out of 24 TV stations in Albuquerque are Spanish-only; 21 radio stations in L. A. Are Spanish-only; 17 radio stations in Phoenix are Spanish-only; 17 radio stations in Albuquerque are Spanish-only; More than 34% of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens; More than 24% of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are non-English-speaking; More than 39% of California students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens; More than 42% of California students in grades 1-12 are non-English-speaking; In Los Angeles County, 5.1 million people speak English; 3.9 million speak Spanish; More than 71% of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by illegal aliens or transport "coyotes"; 47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens; 63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens; 66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66%, 98% are illegal aliens; Less than 2% of illegal aliens in the United States are picking crops, but 41% are on welfare; Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration; The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University]; The estimated profit to U.S. Corporations and businesses employing illegal aliens in 2005 was more than $2.36 TRILLION dollars; The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican illegal alien is $55,000.00 cost to the American taxpayer in a 5-year span. Thats said..... I'm all for legal immigration. Joe Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Joe wrote:
Info submitted to rebuke Sen. McCain's story about the Senate bill on Amnesty and his statistics of how many American people are FOR this bill. Feel free to forward this to as many friends and political representatives as you wish. I know most of these "facts" were actually made up, but who cares? So Joe, are you claiming that you found these on the Internet, so they must be true? Didn't you even bother to read them? You're lucky we don't have an gullibility test to maintain citizenship - you wouldn't last 2 seconds. |
Extremism is no vice!
Jeff wrote: Joe wrote: Info submitted to rebuke Sen. McCain's story about the Senate bill on Amnesty and his statistics of how many American people are FOR this bill. Feel free to forward this to as many friends and political representatives as you wish. I know most of these "facts" were actually made up, but who cares? So Joe, are you claiming that you found these on the Internet, so they must be true? Didn't you even bother to read them? You're lucky we don't have an gullibility test to maintain citizenship - you wouldn't last 2 seconds. Guess it is bunk that in Texas, the $3.9 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could: Cover more than the $2.3 billion shortfall identified by the Texas Federation for Teachers for such things as textbooks and pension contributions. Make Texas' salaries for teachers more competitive by national standards, thereby reducing costly attrition, and recruit the 5,000 new teachers needed each year. And thats just Texas... Joe |
Extremism is no vice!
Maybe we shouldn't let relatives run for public office
either... Seahag (I liked Ike) "Bob Crantz" wrote in message . .. By JENNIFER TALHELM WASHINGTON Jun 23, 2006 (AP)- A Republican gubernatorial candidate's call for creation of a forced labor camp for illegal immigrants drew rebukes Friday from two GOP lawmakers, who labeled it a low point in the immigration debate. Don Goldwater, nephew of the late Sen. Barry Goldwater, caused an international stir this week when EFE, a Mexican news service, quoted him as saying he wanted to hold undocumented immigrants in camps to use them "as labor in the construction of a wall and to clean the areas of the Arizona desert that they're polluting." The article described Goldwater's plan as a "concentration camp" for migrants. Goldwater, a candidate for governor in Arizona, said in a statement Friday that his comments were taken out of context. He said he was calling for a work program for convicted nonviolent felons, similar to "tried and tested, effective and accepted practices" used by state and local jails. But two Republicans, Arizona Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jim Kolbe, called Goldwater's comments "deeply offensive" and asked state Republicans to reject his candidacy in the Sept. 12 primary. "That Mr. Goldwater is either unaware of or indifferent to the loaded symbolism, injustice and un-Americanism of his 'plan' to address the many serious issues caused by illegal immigration reveals his flaws as a candidate and a stunning lack of respect for the basic values of a generous and decent society," McCain said in a statement. Kolbe said that if the comments are true, Goldwater "has demonstrated his complete unworthiness for public office, and I am confident he will be soundly rejected by Republicans from the party of Barry Goldwater, who consistently demonstrated his compassion and respect for all people. This is a sad day in the national debate on immigration policy." McCain and Kolbe favor a guest-worker program for illegal immigrants. Goldwater made a similar comment at an April anti-immigration rally. "Build us that wall now!" Goldwater said, referring to a proposal to add 700 miles of fences along the U.S.-Mexico border. He promised then that if elected, he would put illegal immigrants in a tent city on the border and use their labor to build the wall. AMEN!!!! |
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"katy" wrote: OzOne wrote: katy scribbled thusly: well, duh, OZ...it's a reply to a Crantz blurb... Sorry, I only read 10% of what's here these days. I suppose I should have doen the emoticon thing, but I've never got into that... Look what you have to look forward to!8^p~~~~ |
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Seahag wrote:
"katy" wrote: OzOne wrote: katy scribbled thusly: well, duh, OZ...it's a reply to a Crantz blurb... Sorry, I only read 10% of what's here these days. I suppose I should have doen the emoticon thing, but I've never got into that... Look what you have to look forward to!8^p~~~~ :P |
Extremism is no vice!
Joe wrote:
Jeff wrote: Joe wrote: Info submitted to rebuke Sen. McCain's story about the Senate bill on Amnesty and his statistics of how many American people are FOR this bill. Feel free to forward this to as many friends and political representatives as you wish. I know most of these "facts" were actually made up, but who cares? So Joe, are you claiming that you found these on the Internet, so they must be true? Didn't you even bother to read them? You're lucky we don't have an gullibility test to maintain citizenship - you wouldn't last 2 seconds. Guess it is bunk that in Texas, the $3.9 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could: Cover more than the $2.3 billion shortfall identified by the Texas Federation for Teachers for such things as textbooks and pension contributions. Make Texas' salaries for teachers more competitive by national standards, thereby reducing costly attrition, and recruit the 5,000 new teachers needed each year. And thats just Texas... Sorry Joe - your propensity for posting total nonsense - such as the bit about "More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal" - means that everything you post must be considered probable nonsense. And remember, these children that you don't want to educate are American citizens who will be funding your Social Security check. |
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Jeff wrote:
Joe wrote: Jeff wrote: Joe wrote: Info submitted to rebuke Sen. McCain's story about the Senate bill on Amnesty and his statistics of how many American people are FOR this bill. Feel free to forward this to as many friends and political representatives as you wish. I know most of these "facts" were actually made up, but who cares? So Joe, are you claiming that you found these on the Internet, so they must be true? Didn't you even bother to read them? You're lucky we don't have an gullibility test to maintain citizenship - you wouldn't last 2 seconds. Guess it is bunk that in Texas, the $3.9 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could: Cover more than the $2.3 billion shortfall identified by the Texas Federation for Teachers for such things as textbooks and pension contributions. Make Texas' salaries for teachers more competitive by national standards, thereby reducing costly attrition, and recruit the 5,000 new teachers needed each year. And thats just Texas... Sorry Joe - your propensity for posting total nonsense - such as the bit about "More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal" - means that everything you post must be considered probable nonsense. And remember, these children that you don't want to educate are American citizens who will be funding your Social Security check. More likely voting for our euthanization.... |
Extremism is no vice!
Jeff wrote: Joe wrote: Jeff wrote: Joe wrote: Info submitted to rebuke Sen. McCain's story about the Senate bill on Amnesty and his statistics of how many American people are FOR this bill. Feel free to forward this to as many friends and political representatives as you wish. I know most of these "facts" were actually made up, but who cares? So Joe, are you claiming that you found these on the Internet, so they must be true? Didn't you even bother to read them? You're lucky we don't have an gullibility test to maintain citizenship - you wouldn't last 2 seconds. Guess it is bunk that in Texas, the $3.9 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could: Cover more than the $2.3 billion shortfall identified by the Texas Federation for Teachers for such things as textbooks and pension contributions. Make Texas' salaries for teachers more competitive by national standards, thereby reducing costly attrition, and recruit the 5,000 new teachers needed each year. And thats just Texas... Sorry Joe - your propensity for posting total nonsense - such as the bit about "More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal" - means that everything you post must be considered probable nonsense. Let me help you understand the non-sence. Of the women on Medi-Cal (a medical wefare system for the poor) that give birth in CA 66% are from illegal immigrants. Extra note(Not all births in CA. are by mothers on MediCal) And remember, these children that you don't want to educate are American citizens who will be funding your Social Security check. Let's educate the kids. But let's also understand we are paying for it, not the one's responsible for the kid. I do not expect or even care if I get Social security or not. If I were planning on the govt to take care of me in my old age I'd be out cruising now, instead of working for a secure future. You may be OK with unlawful immigration, I'm not. Why should others like the Chinese, Russians, ect. have to legally complete the process, get a sponser, learn english, ect..ect.. and become legal citizens?....a process that takes years and lots of effort. Oh..they pay taxes NOW when they work. Some people think its worth the time, money, and effort to become an American citizen. They take great pride in the accomplishment, and rightly so. Joe |
Extremism is no vice!
Joe wrote:
Jeff wrote: Joe wrote: Jeff wrote: Joe wrote: Info submitted to rebuke Sen. McCain's story about the Senate bill on Amnesty and his statistics of how many American people are FOR this bill. Feel free to forward this to as many friends and political representatives as you wish. I know most of these "facts" were actually made up, but who cares? So Joe, are you claiming that you found these on the Internet, so they must be true? Didn't you even bother to read them? You're lucky we don't have an gullibility test to maintain citizenship - you wouldn't last 2 seconds. Guess it is bunk that in Texas, the $3.9 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could: Cover more than the $2.3 billion shortfall identified by the Texas Federation for Teachers for such things as textbooks and pension contributions. Make Texas' salaries for teachers more competitive by national standards, thereby reducing costly attrition, and recruit the 5,000 new teachers needed each year. And thats just Texas... Sorry Joe - your propensity for posting total nonsense - such as the bit about "More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal" - means that everything you post must be considered probable nonsense. Let me help you understand the non-sence. Of the women on Medi-Cal (a medical wefare system for the poor) that give birth in CA 66% are from illegal immigrants. Extra note(Not all births in CA. are by mothers on MediCal) You're just digging the hole deeper. Its very clear what your "fact" is trying to say; now you're trying to twist it around to make some sense. In fact, the quote was originally a misquote of the stat that 62% of births in LA are to Hispanic mothers And remember, these children that you don't want to educate are American citizens who will be funding your Social Security check. Let's educate the kids. But let's also understand we are paying for it, not the one's responsible for the kid. I do not expect or even care if I get Social security or not. If I were planning on the govt to take care of me in my old age I'd be out cruising now, instead of working for a secure future. You may be OK with unlawful immigration, I'm not. No, I'm against stupid claims and idiots who propagate them. If you're going to make factual claims, its best if they are true. Why should others like the Chinese, Russians, ect. have to legally complete the process, get a sponser, learn english, ect..ect.. and become legal citizens?....a process that takes years and lots of effort. Oh..they pay taxes NOW when they work. Some people think its worth the time, money, and effort to become an American citizen. They take great pride in the accomplishment, and rightly so. Joe |
Extremism is no vice!
Jeff wrote: Joe wrote: Jeff wrote: Joe wrote: Jeff wrote: Joe wrote: Info submitted to rebuke Sen. McCain's story about the Senate bill on Amnesty and his statistics of how many American people are FOR this bill. Feel free to forward this to as many friends and political representatives as you wish. I know most of these "facts" were actually made up, but who cares? So Joe, are you claiming that you found these on the Internet, so they must be true? Didn't you even bother to read them? You're lucky we don't have an gullibility test to maintain citizenship - you wouldn't last 2 seconds. Guess it is bunk that in Texas, the $3.9 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could: Cover more than the $2.3 billion shortfall identified by the Texas Federation for Teachers for such things as textbooks and pension contributions. Make Texas' salaries for teachers more competitive by national standards, thereby reducing costly attrition, and recruit the 5,000 new teachers needed each year. And thats just Texas... Sorry Joe - your propensity for posting total nonsense - such as the bit about "More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal" - means that everything you post must be considered probable nonsense. Let me help you understand the non-sence. Of the women on Medi-Cal (a medical wefare system for the poor) that give birth in CA 66% are from illegal immigrants. Extra note(Not all births in CA. are by mothers on MediCal) You're just digging the hole deeper. Its very clear what your "fact" is trying to say; now you're trying to twist it around to make some sense. In fact, the quote was originally a misquote of the stat that 62% of births in LA are to Hispanic mothers Show us the mis-quote. Seems you have all the facts Jeffery. And remember, these children that you don't want to educate are American citizens who will be funding your Social Security check. Let's educate the kids. But let's also understand we are paying for it, not the one's responsible for the kid. I do not expect or even care if I get Social security or not. If I were planning on the govt to take care of me in my old age I'd be out cruising now, instead of working for a secure future. You may be OK with unlawful immigration, I'm not. No, I'm against stupid claims and idiots who propagate them. If you're going to make factual claims, its best if they are true. If you know the truth then set us free! A study conducted by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, D.C., and released in August, said that illegal immigrants cost the federal government $10 billion more than they pay in taxes. The federal government pays about $2.2 billion in medical treatment for uninsured immigrants, according to the report. It pays $1.9 billion in food assistance programs, such as food stamps and school lunches, for low-income families. And it pays $1.4 billion in aid to schools that educate illegal immigrant children. But hey whats a buncha Billions of Dollars ...right Jeff...It's just numbers. Oh and Jeff, thats the federal govt, you should see the bill that the states get stuck with.. Joe |
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Joe wrote:
Sorry Joe - your propensity for posting total nonsense - such as the bit about "More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal" - means that everything you post must be considered probable nonsense. Let me help you understand the non-sence. Of the women on Medi-Cal (a medical wefare system for the poor) that give birth in CA 66% are from illegal immigrants. Extra note(Not all births in CA. are by mothers on MediCal) You're just digging the hole deeper. Its very clear what your "fact" is trying to say; now you're trying to twist it around to make some sense. In fact, the quote was originally a misquote of the stat that 62% of births in LA are to Hispanic mothers Show us the mis-quote. Seems you have all the facts Jeffery. What's the matter Joe, short term memory problems? I repeated your quote exactly once already. Here is is again: "More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers;" Now this claim is quite different from your new explanation the 66% of Medi-cal births are to illegals. If you're actually claiming these two statements are the same, then you've wasted the education we lavished on you. Perhaps you should leave and make some room for someone who would appreciate all we have to offer. If you go looking for the facts behind this issue, you'll find that even anti-illegal immigrant groups only claim that 36% of Medi-cal births are to illegal mothers - this is quite different from even your backpedal. This by itself is quite startling, but you had to turn into something so outlandish that only an idiot would believe it. .... You may be OK with unlawful immigration, I'm not. No, I'm against stupid claims and idiots who propagate them. If you're going to make factual claims, its best if they are true. If you know the truth then set us free! A study conducted by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, blah blah blah Sorry Joe, you've lost all credibility, now everything you claim has as much believability as Boobie's claims to being a sailor. |
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Jeff wrote: blah blah blah Sorry Joe, I've lost all credibility, now everything I claim has as much believability as Boobie's claims to being a sailor. No doubt...good luck with your Mexican funded Social Security income. Joe |
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Joe wrote:
Jeff wrote: blah blah blah Sorry Joe, I've lost all credibility, now everything I claim has as much believability as Boobie's claims to being a sailor. Wow! How clever you are! No doubt...good luck with your Mexican funded Social Security income. Without immigrants we will turn into a second class power. Ironic, isn't it? You really don't get it, Joe. The point is that people who are in favor of much tighter enforcement are embarrassed by the stupid made up nonsense you try to pass off as facts. You'd make more sense if you claimed they were trying to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids. All you're doing is convincing people that those against illegal immigrants are idiots. |
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Jeff wrote: Joe wrote: Jeff wrote: blah blah blah Sorry Joe, I've lost all credibility, now everything I claim has as much believability as Boobie's claims to being a sailor. Wow! How clever you are! No doubt...good luck with your Mexican funded Social Security income. Without immigrants we will turn into a second class power. Ironic, isn't it? No not at all. I'm all for legal immigration...Gee I thought I said that. But hey...It's all hype right Jeff? Just pie in the sky numbers amigo. Joe |
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Joe wrote:
No doubt...good luck with your Mexican funded Social Security income. Jeff wrote: Without immigrants we will turn into a second class power. Ironic, isn't it? Well, I never heard any stories about how the welcome mat was put out for my family when they showed up here. Jeff wrote: You really don't get it, Joe. The point is that people who are in favor of much tighter enforcement are embarrassed by the stupid made up nonsense you try to pass off as facts. You'd make more sense if you claimed they were trying to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids. All you're doing is convincing people that those against illegal immigrants are idiots. I wonder if Joe can play the banjo? http://www.austinlizards.com/songs/t...nt_mothers.mp3 http://www.austinlizards.com/teenage...t_mothers.html Without addressing the reason(s) for the tremendous numbers of poor people willing to come here illegally, there's almost no point in trying to slow down the flow. If the Feds went to a dozen randomly selected large corporations, checked for the presence of illegal immigrants, and arrested the CEO and Board, the problem would go away. Of course, so would a magnificent source of campaign contributions... hmm, does anybody think there might be a pattern? Better turn it over to the Department of Connecting The Dots. Meanwhile, I recommend learning a little Spanish. It'll expand your potential cruising grounds too. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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DSK wrote: I wonder if Joe can play the banjo? Yes...but that song is offensive...almost racist Doug. The issue is not a dislike of Mexican's. I get along great with and respect many and most of the Mexican's that work here in the yard, and I have worked with over the years. I've worked in Mexico for 2 years straight. I like the culture and find the people humble, hard working, and mostly good people. http://www.austinlizards.com/songs/t...nt_mothers.mp3 http://www.austinlizards.com/teenage...t_mothers.html Without addressing the reason(s) for the tremendous numbers of poor people willing to come here illegally, there's almost no point in trying to slow down the flow. Why not? Maybe by doing nothing here we are encouraging and supporting more corruption south of the border. If we put a stop to illegal immigration perhaps the leaders south of the border would do more to provide it's own citizens with profitable work. Seems Mexicos leaders are to busy printing maps and guides to sneek the problem across the border for the gringos to deal with. Very cost effective. If the Feds went to a dozen randomly selected large corporations, checked for the presence of illegal immigrants, and arrested the CEO and Board, the problem would go away. Exactly, if we enforced current laws, there would not be a problem. If I dropped a dime to INS it would be easy to get every contractor doing bottom jobs shut down here. Well except they have way bigger fish to deal with and could care less. Maybe we should think about ****canning the director of the INS and keep firing them until we can find one who will enforce the laws we put them in charge of enforcing. You are right, we need a few Enron type trials of CEO's ect using illegal labor. Of course, so would a magnificent source of campaign contributions... hmm, does anybody think there might be a pattern? Better turn it over to the Department of Connecting The Dots. Yeah...I thought John McCain could not be bought, but it seems the farmers in AZ must shove a huge heeping pile of money on his desk every year. Meanwhile, I recommend learning a little Spanish. It'll expand your potential cruising grounds too. You planing on cruising Texas and California or NY Amigo?. Need real world tips on entering port in Mexico? My company always had a big box of goodies for the Port Captian and customs to share on the galley table ready to be seized. American smokes, Playboy magazines, Couple cases whiskey......cash...ect. Then the PeMex guys, Mayor, Dispatcher, ect.ect.ect. Lot's of cash came in handy.. Joe Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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I wonder if Joe can play the banjo?
Joe wrote: Yes...but that song is offensive...almost racist Doug. No, it isn't. Read the words to the song, it does not say one word against teen-agers, immgrants, welfare mothers, or drug addicts. OTOH it is making fun of bigots, so perhaps it is "racist" in that sense. If the Feds went to a dozen randomly selected large corporations, checked for the presence of illegal immigrants, and arrested the CEO and Board, the problem would go away. Exactly, if we enforced current laws, there would not be a problem. If I dropped a dime to INS it would be easy to get every contractor doing bottom jobs shut down here. Well except they have way bigger fish to deal with and could care less. Maybe we should think about ****canning the director of the INS and keep firing them until we can find one who will enforce the laws we put them in charge of enforcing. You are right, we need a few Enron type trials of CEO's ect using illegal labor. The most likely outcome, in today's political world, would be a rapid re-writing of the laws on hiring illegal immigrants... written by the CEOs themselves... Meanwhile, I recommend learning a little Spanish. It'll expand your potential cruising grounds too. You planing on cruising Texas and California or NY Amigo?. Already have, actually. And will definitely go back. I would like to cruise lots of the Gulf... just not in hurricane season! Need real world tips on entering port in Mexico? My company always had a big box of goodies for the Port Captian and customs to share on the galley table ready to be seized. American smokes, Playboy magazines, Couple cases whiskey......cash...ect. Then the PeMex guys, Mayor, Dispatcher, ect.ect.ect. Lot's of cash came in handy.. I did some work on tankers down there, just played stupid when getting shaken down. The company man was *very* eager to get me aboard and get his ship fixed, so he took care of it. That approach won't work travelling on private means, though. DSK |
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