Do the math, Bubbles. You'll never break even with that Prius over,
say, a
Corolla or especially a Yaris or the small Scion hatchback. There is
no
hybrid currently built that will save money overall in the long


Max....
1) What about emissions?
2) What about investing in real world fuel saving technology for the
future?
3) What about the fact that the new Prius and Camry hybrids are also
far more comfortable cars than the typical econobox?
4) What about NOT giving MORE money to big oil and the middle men?


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote...
Do the math, Bubbles. You'll never break even with that Prius over, say, a
Corolla or especially a Yaris or the small Scion hatchback. There is no
hybrid currently built that will save money overall in the long

Max....
1) What about emissions?
2) What about investing in real world fuel saving technology for the
future?
3) What about the fact that the new Prius and Camry hybrids are also
far more comfortable cars than the typical econobox?
4) What about NOT giving MORE money to big oil and the middle men?

Come on man, tell it like it is! Hybrids actually take MORE energy and make
MORE pollution to manufacture, maintain and drive than an equivalent econobox.
The real reason anybody buys one is to impress their friends.

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Do the math, Bubbles. You'll never break even with that Prius over,
say, a
Corolla or especially a Yaris or the small Scion hatchback. There is
no
hybrid currently built that will save money overall in the long


Max....
1) What about emissions?

What about 'em? Like the percentage of hybrid cars is gonna make a
significant difference? Why not pure electric commuter cars, if you really
want to lower emissions? Toyota produced a RAV 4 pure electric car, but it
didn't sell, so they dropped it. Apparently no one is really THAT
interested in reducing auto-produced emissions.

2) What about investing in real world fuel saving technology for the
future?

Hybrids aren't the answer. Question: when all those monstrous hybrid
batteries are defunct, what do you propose to do with all the plastic shells
and the sulfated lead? Turbocharging small engines makes more sense in the
long run for fuel conservation--it's cheaper to produce, easily as
economical, and emission would be roughly the same. So does buring ethanol,
which produces water and carbon dioxide, as opposed to the complex
hydrocarbon emissions gasoline-burning autos produce.

3) What about the fact that the new Prius and Camry hybrids are also
far more comfortable cars than the typical econobox?

Do you really want to reduce emission and burn less fuel, or do you simply
want a comfortable car. Might I suggest a Lincoln Navigator for *real*
comfort. Incidentally, the Camry hybrid is not intended to help conserve
fuel--it's primary purpose is to provide *more power* for the same amount of
fuel burned by smaller, more anemic engines. Same with the Toyota
Highlander hybrid and others. Only the Honda Civic hybrid, the ugly Honda
2-place Insight, and the Prius are really meant as "green" cars.

4) What about NOT giving MORE money to big oil and the middle men?

Big Oil is gonna get your hard-earned cash one way or another, at least
until some real alternatives become reality. Of course as soon as one
mentions ethanol, JLRogers and Old Thom get their hackles up, contending
that only petroleum can power our vehicles. Well guess what--some day the
planet's petroleum will be in such short supply that people either won't
drive vehicles powered with the stuff, or only the extremely rich will be
able to drive cars. Hydrogen fuel cells are a viable alternative, but of
course the big oil mavens can give you dozens of "sound" reasons why that
will never happen, either.

There's plenty of crude in the Earth to power our vehicles for the rest of
our lives. However if you give a **** about your ancestors, you might
consider developing alternatives before they become absolute necessities.

Max

Hey Nutsy,

Have you even looked at the Ford Explore Hybred? It sure looks like it
could make a 6'5" body comfortable. Milage is good and it sure as hell
has more power; Enough for a real SUV, not a make believe.

Have you looked`or not?

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
The Corolla can get 44 MPG on the highway. Around town, city driving it
can go as low as 34 mpg, especially with ethanol.

The Toyota Yaris should do even better, and without the price penalty of the
hybrid Prius.

Max

That might work, but I like The 3rd row of seats on the Tribeca, for
people it's a "JOKE"...why bother putting them in..( and try to get
into them* giggle*...you can't even fit all the camera gear).

The radio is a real loser...you would think that for a top of the line
SUBARU, they would install a decent radio.

The pick up is very sluggish...LOT'S OF RPM NOISE..BUT YOU DON'T pick
up speed, It's OK in the city were 0-30 rarely happens in under 80
seconds.

I do get lots of looks in the tribeca, and the paint must shine bright
because most people grimance and squint.

Capt. Suzy
35s5
NY

That might work, but I like The 3rd row of seats on the Tribeca, for
people it's a "JOKE"...why bother putting them in..( and try to get
into them* giggle*...you can't even fit all the camera gear).

The radio is a real loser...you would think that for a top of the line

SUBARU, they would install a decent radio.


The pick up is very sluggish...LOT'S OF RPM NOISE..BUT YOU DON'T pick
up speed, It's OK in the city were 0-30 rarely happens in under 80
seconds.


What 3rd row? We passed on that silly feature. We have a custom stereo
with Icom DVD. Look it up. Top of the line. The Tribeca is the same
speed as a Lexus RX-330 and is hardly slow...oh and it's the quitest
SUV, even more so than the lexus!
Good research there, Joe!


RB
35s5
NY

Joe

???

Nutsy,

If you have access to E85 fuel, you should look into a Flex-fuel Car.

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
We may trade away the Tribeca or Outback for a Toyota Prius next week.
We drove one for two days and got 48 MPG and it was a nice ride...sort
of like being on a Star Trek shuttle.
I could care less about what the car costs so long as I'm not giving
the money to oil. I filled up the Prius ONCE! Amazing little car, but
with an interior sized like a Camry. And of course way fewer emissions.
Time to match sailing with a car that's environmntally friendly to the
very wind we sail by!

Why not ride a bicycle and give nothing to Big Oil?

Max