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Capt.Mooron March 25th 06 07:55 PM

Interesting things you can't do with a Laptop
 
Kind of like Bobsprit..... has the latest and greatest electronic gizmos,
but no clue of the basics and no idea how to use the information provided.
It's a symptom suffered by many Power Boaters. I remember when handheld GPSs
came out and the majority of users had no idea what NAD27 was... never mind
that you had to have a start waypoint to return to.

The "Spaceship" bridge phase of sailing will hopefully be a short one.....
otherwise many people will go broke updating electronic equipment every 2
years. Massive amounts of the latest electronic navigation equipment for a
coastal sailing vessel generally indicates the level of incompetence of the
owner. That kind of stuff belongs on a power boat.

BTW- I have found out that people who do not use their sounder very much
while sailing ...generally are much more attentive to their chart and
charted soundings.. ergo less likely to hit bottom as often. It's just a
personal observation.

CM


"Scotty" wrote in message
...
To each his own. I don't think I used my GPS once, last
season, but I stay within the Chess. Bay and use paper
charts. I always have the log on, for speed readings. I also
use oil lamps and try to keep battery consumption as low as
possible since I generally motor less than 10 minutes out of
the slip.

I get a kick out of putzes who NEED all the latest , best
electronic gizmos but don't really sail anywhere. My slip
neighbor with a Bendy 36 has his pedestal so full of stuff
it looks vulgar, yet he barely sails at all. But, it's his
boat, so , ''whatever floats your boat.''...

Scotty




"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:Pl2Vf.8881$%H.206@clgrps13...
Simply put..... I keep it to a minimum.... no undue

electronics.. I went
through that phase. No sir.... I'm not a fan. Unless it's

absolutely
required for the journey, I don't want it aboard. My goal

is to reduce the
electronics onboard to a bare minimum. I study the charts

and use them to
reference triangulations by bearing fixes. I carry a spare

handheld GPS..
but hardly use it. I almost never have either log nor

depth turned on while
underway. Radar is the only exception I will make since it

is almost
mandatory in my heavy fog area with the possibility of

high speed vessels
navigating on GPS Chart Plotters [few have the radar

ability]

I do have full electronics aboard and have used a laptop

before... you can
have it.. it's a bother and of little benefit. I'm leaning

towards oil
lamps... even down to oil/kerosene nav lights as primary

with electronic
back-up secondary.

Electronics are for Power Boaters... they run on power and

they need the
data ASAP at their speed. I'm out for the pleasure of

sailing and take my
time.... since I have the time it takes.

CM



"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message

...
God yes CM. Electronic charts are great. They are
FREE, portable and with the right software they talk to

you.
Did I mention electronic charts are FREE now?

I am so tired of storing paper charts. I just spent a

few
hours throwing out charts last week and I wish I could
toss them all out.. I have so many I could heat my

house
with them. Get rid of them? Absolutely, and good

riddance.

Power boater? Heck, those are the people with room
to store and lay out paper charts.

And finally, please don't ever compare me to Swabbie.
You really wounded me with that one. I'll never forgive
you. grin

What about the rest of it CM? Do you use digital
communication on Overproof? What about music?
That is the main reason I've been building up this
little laptop I was given. I just need an Echo Indigo
PC Card and I'll be done with hardware upgrades.
It will be the perfect little music system for the boat.
And yes it will be my back of navigation system.


"Capt.Mooron" wrote
Electronic Charts???? Fricken Power Boater!!!

You're starting to sound like Bobsprit!!!

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote
Lots of you must be using a laptop for a chart

display.
Particularly now that electronic charts are free.

What software are you running on your laptop?

Here is what I'm using.
Nobeltec, Winlink, Waypoint+, iTunes

Things I'm looking at:
http://www.hffax.de/index.html
http://www.waypoint.org/













Scotty March 25th 06 08:05 PM

Interesting things you can't do with a Laptop
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:zehVf.4455$B_1.2384@edtnps89...
Kind of like Bobsprit.....


Who?



BTW- I have found out that people who do not use their

sounder very much
while sailing ...generally are much more attentive to

their chart and
charted soundings.. ergo less likely to hit bottom as

often. It's just a
personal observation.



My sounder doesn't work half the time, so I leave it off. I
find that I give lots more room to bars/reefs than maybe I
need to. So what.

Scotty





David March 25th 06 08:36 PM

Interesting things you can do with a Laptop
 
Are there free charts for central America and the Carribean? I have
been using the free SeaQuest chart plotting softwa
http://www.sping.com/seaclear/ and using the free NOAA charts for
continental US...


Frank Boettcher March 25th 06 08:47 PM

Interesting things you can do with a Laptop
 
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:19:18 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
wrote:

Electronic Charts???? Fricken Power Boater!!!

The first time I saw them was on a sailing vessel. I was amazed. Guy
started with the Gulf of Mexico and just kept punching the drill down
button until he got to the farewell buoy for the Gulfport small craft
harbor.

You're starting to sound like Bobsprit!!!


No maybe you are. It may take a large hook retractor to get that
thing out of my mouth.

Frank

CM

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
Lots of you must be using a laptop for a chart display.
Particularly now that electronic charts are free.

What software are you running on your laptop?

Here is what I'm using.
Nobeltec, Winlink, Waypoint+, iTunes

Things I'm looking at:
http://www.hffax.de/index.html
http://www.waypoint.org/





Capt.Mooron March 26th 06 03:16 AM

Interesting things you can do with a Laptop
 
Next thing you know Frank.... you'll be sailing a totally automated,
electronic miracle.... then the power will fail.

I agree it's cool stuff... next year's models will be even cooler. It's
almost required on a power boat, due to the inherent incompetence portrayed
by a large number of their ilk. Seriously... I am dedicated to removing all
but the most basic electronic systems aboard.

There is no way you will convince me that a cluster of digital instruments
is either required nor denotes a better standard of sailing/navigation. If
such was the case... Bobsprit would surely hold court.

Stick to the Basics....

CM


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:19:18 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
wrote:

Electronic Charts???? Fricken Power Boater!!!

The first time I saw them was on a sailing vessel. I was amazed. Guy
started with the Gulf of Mexico and just kept punching the drill down
button until he got to the farewell buoy for the Gulfport small craft
harbor.

You're starting to sound like Bobsprit!!!


No maybe you are. It may take a large hook retractor to get that
thing out of my mouth.

Frank

CM

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
Lots of you must be using a laptop for a chart display.
Particularly now that electronic charts are free.

What software are you running on your laptop?

Here is what I'm using.
Nobeltec, Winlink, Waypoint+, iTunes

Things I'm looking at:
http://www.hffax.de/index.html
http://www.waypoint.org/







Capt.Mooron March 26th 06 03:29 AM

Interesting things you can't do with a Laptop
 
"Scotty" wrote in message

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
Kind of like Bobsprit.....


Who?


The big dumpy guy that buffs hulls with an industrial grade grinder in NYC.

BTW- I have found out that people who do not use their

sounder very much
while sailing ...generally are much more attentive to

their chart and
charted soundings.. ergo less likely to hit bottom as

often. It's just a
personal observation.



My sounder doesn't work half the time, so I leave it off. I
find that I give lots more room to bars/reefs than maybe I
need to. So what.


Yes Sir! .. there is nothing more Manly than sailing using only your
ability to read the wind, the water and the boat.
I laugh at the neck craners keeping an eye on the indicator at the mast
head... the instrument gawkers who constantly flick between instruments.
The shavers who press tight to foul ground following the limits of their
instrument read-outs!

CM



Joe March 26th 06 03:39 AM

Interesting things you can do with a Laptop
 
Stick to the Basics....

CM



You do not have roller furlers do you?

Joe


Capt.Mooron March 26th 06 04:00 AM

Interesting things you can do with a Laptop
 
I hank my sails on like any real man would elect to do.... had he the
opportunity.

CM

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Stick to the Basics....

CM



You do not have roller furlers do you?

Joe




Scout March 26th 06 10:20 AM

Interesting things you can do with a Laptop
 
thanks Katy, and Scotty.
Scout

"katy" wrote in message
...
Scout wrote:
Bart,
do you have a link for those free charts?
Scout

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
Lots of you must be using a laptop for a chart display.
Particularly now that electronic charts are free.

What software are you running on your laptop?

Here is what I'm using.
Nobeltec, Winlink, Waypoint+, iTunes

Things I'm looking at:
http://www.hffax.de/index.html
http://www.waypoint.org/




NOAA:
http://www.nauticalcharts.gov/viewer...CoastTable.htm




Frank Boettcher March 26th 06 05:50 PM

Interesting things you can do with a Laptop
 
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 02:16:03 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
wrote:

Next thing you know Frank.... you'll be sailing a totally automated,
electronic miracle.... then the power will fail.


statistically possible, but not necessarily probable.

I agree it's cool stuff... next year's models will be even cooler. It's
almost required on a power boat, due to the inherent incompetence portrayed
by a large number of their ilk. Seriously... I am dedicated to removing all
but the most basic electronic systems aboard.


So you don't use GPS or autopilot, or the two integrated with
electronic charts? Certainly, they are not necessary for offshore,
but in some areas of coastal cruising they are a delightful. If you
sail in an area where every approach is a potential grounding, having
electronic help in the form of established waypoints and up to date
notice to mariners would be considered a good thing, wouldn't it.?

I chartered a week in the Sea of Abaco a few years ago and don't know
how they could charter the area before the electronic aids. Everybody
would stay fetched up on sand bars all the time.

There is no way you will convince me that a cluster of digital instruments
is either required nor denotes a better standard of sailing/navigation. If
such was the case... Bobsprit would surely hold court.


I made the transition from RDF to ADF to Loran to GPS. Never felt
like I was losing anything during the progression. With regard to
Bobsprit, of course, I've never had an entertainment center aboard any
boat I've owned or chartered

Stick to the Basics....


Learn the basics thoroughly, but take advantage of technology
improvements.

CM


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:19:18 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
wrote:

Electronic Charts???? Fricken Power Boater!!!

The first time I saw them was on a sailing vessel. I was amazed. Guy
started with the Gulf of Mexico and just kept punching the drill down
button until he got to the farewell buoy for the Gulfport small craft
harbor.

You're starting to sound like Bobsprit!!!


No maybe you are. It may take a large hook retractor to get that
thing out of my mouth.

Frank

CM

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
Lots of you must be using a laptop for a chart display.
Particularly now that electronic charts are free.

What software are you running on your laptop?

Here is what I'm using.
Nobeltec, Winlink, Waypoint+, iTunes

Things I'm looking at:
http://www.hffax.de/index.html
http://www.waypoint.org/








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