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John W. Bienko March 14th 06 12:24 PM

Magnetic North
 
I understand the above is tracking southward.
What are the implications of this phenomenon?


katy March 14th 06 01:01 PM

Magnetic North
 
John W. Bienko wrote:
I understand the above is tracking southward.
What are the implications of this phenomenon?

Vast....

Martin Baxter March 14th 06 05:00 PM

Magnetic North
 
"Capt.Mooron" wrote:

The Magnetic North is in constant motion....... while you are in constant
ignorance.... try to spend more time learning your craft if you want to be
a sailor.


Too much Overproof last night?

Cheers
Marty

Capt. JG March 14th 06 07:10 PM

Magnetic North
 
He's off his meds again. He's angry with everyone it seems.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
"Capt.Mooron" wrote:

The Magnetic North is in constant motion....... while you are in
constant
ignorance.... try to spend more time learning your craft if you want to
be
a sailor.


Too much Overproof last night?

Cheers
Marty




Bob Crantz March 14th 06 10:30 PM

Magnetic North
 
If the North Pole is moving all around and the South Pole isn't I'd really
be worried.

Amen!


"John W. Bienko" wrote in message
...
I understand the above is tracking southward.
What are the implications of this phenomenon?




Maxprop March 15th 06 03:42 AM

Magnetic North
 

"John W. Bienko" wrote in message
...
I understand the above is tracking southward.
What are the implications of this phenomenon?


Joe's boat will begin to point east somewhat.

Max



Maxprop March 15th 06 03:44 AM

Magnetic North
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:aRBRf.32319$dg.26585@clgrps13...
The Magnetic North is in constant motion....... while you are in
constant ignorance.... try to spend more time learning your craft if you
want to be a sailor.


Much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with you here. The agonic
line used to run smack dab through my home when I was a kid. Now it's about
100 miles east.

Max



Maxprop March 15th 06 03:44 AM

Magnetic North
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
"Capt.Mooron" wrote:

The Magnetic North is in constant motion....... while you are in
constant
ignorance.... try to spend more time learning your craft if you want to
be
a sailor.


Too much Overproof last night?


Every night. Makes him surly the following day. Which is every day.

Max



Capt.Mooron March 15th 06 12:59 PM

Magnetic North
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message
Much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with you here. The agonic
line used to run smack dab through my home when I was a kid. Now it's
about 100 miles east.


When you have to confirm property limits from a survey completed in 1951...
and that survey is based on Magnetic North bearings... Geological Survey of
Canada can provide the exact location as well as path of travel of the
Magnetic North for any year recorded. I have been to the Magnetic North in
1983.

CM



Maxprop March 15th 06 01:24 PM

Magnetic North
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:GcURf.29453$M52.23124@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
Much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with you here. The agonic
line used to run smack dab through my home when I was a kid. Now it's
about 100 miles east.


When you have to confirm property limits from a survey completed in
1951... and that survey is based on Magnetic North bearings...


I'm guessing that by the current magnetic survey, my property must be in
Ohio by now.

Geological Survey of Canada can provide the exact location as well as path
of travel of the Magnetic North for any year recorded. I have been to the
Magnetic North in 1983.


Did you see God? Or Elvis?

Max




Scotty March 15th 06 01:46 PM

Magnetic North
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:GcURf.29453$M52.23124@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
Much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with you

here. The agonic
line used to run smack dab through my home when I was a

kid. Now it's
about 100 miles east.


When you have to confirm property limits from a survey

completed in
1951... and that survey is based on Magnetic North

bearings...

I'm guessing that by the current magnetic survey, my

property must be in
Ohio by now.

Geological Survey of Canada can provide the exact

location as well as path
of travel of the Magnetic North for any year recorded. I

have been to the
Magnetic North in 1983.


Did you see God? Or Elvis?


He's Canadjun, he saw Wayne Gretzky.

SV



Joe March 15th 06 02:02 PM

Magnetic North
 
Did your compass spin?
How did water act when you flushed? (clockwise, counterclockwise spin)
or did it just drop straight down?
Did the magnetic field feel diffrent coming thru the top of your head?
Did you get dizzy with the earth spinning under your feet?
Was there a pole there? If not did you put one in?
Was it cold?
Find any astroids or metorites laying around?
If you walk around the pole are you walking around the world?

Joe


katy March 15th 06 02:18 PM

Magnetic North
 
Maxprop wrote:
"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:GcURf.29453$M52.23124@edtnps89...
"Maxprop" wrote in message
Much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with you here. The agonic
line used to run smack dab through my home when I was a kid. Now it's
about 100 miles east.

When you have to confirm property limits from a survey completed in
1951... and that survey is based on Magnetic North bearings...


I'm guessing that by the current magnetic survey, my property must be in
Ohio by now.

Geological Survey of Canada can provide the exact location as well as path
of travel of the Magnetic North for any year recorded. I have been to the
Magnetic North in 1983.


Did you see God? Or Elvis?

Max



sheesh...everyone knows he saw Santa Claus....

Bob Crantz March 15th 06 02:19 PM

Magnetic North
 
Joe,

The magnetic field has practically no effect on the coriolus forces. You are
confusing the magnetic pole with the axis of rotation.

However, there are piles of dead birds to be found at the poles. Birds, and
other animals, have small bits of paramagnetic material in their skulls that
help with direction finding. Once they get near the poles they try to fly
straight up and eventually fall to the ground from exhaustion.

An even bigger problem is GPS navigation near the true poles. To a GPS unit
all direction is lost at the pole. That is why airline routes do not fly
directly over the pole.

Did you know you boat will stop rusting at the magnetic pole?

Amen!


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Did your compass spin?
How did water act when you flushed? (clockwise, counterclockwise spin)
or did it just drop straight down?
Did the magnetic field feel diffrent coming thru the top of your head?
Did you get dizzy with the earth spinning under your feet?
Was there a pole there? If not did you put one in?
Was it cold?
Find any astroids or metorites laying around?
If you walk around the pole are you walking around the world?

Joe




Bob Crantz March 15th 06 02:41 PM

Magnetic North
 
Try this experiment:

Place large magnetics on the inside of the hull. Notice that rusts stops in
that area on either side of the hull.

Have you ever seen a rusty magnet?

Amen!


"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Did you know you boat will stop rusting at the magnetic pole?


No please tell me more.

Joe




Bob Crantz March 15th 06 02:45 PM

Magnetic North
 
Read this:

http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/secti...0512030401.htm


The magnetic field binds the steel, so it is much harder for rust to form.

Use strong magnets!

Amen!

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Did you know you boat will stop rusting at the magnetic pole?


No please tell me more.

Joe




Bob Crantz March 15th 06 02:47 PM

Magnetic North
 
The electric field version of rust prevention:

http://www.olbis.com.au/ap_template/parentpage_rust.asp


"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Did you know you boat will stop rusting at the magnetic pole?


No please tell me more.

Joe




Joe March 15th 06 02:49 PM

Magnetic North
 
Thats going to be hard, I do not have any rust on my hull inside or out
;0(.]

I made a magnet out of a nail and it rusted...

Joe


Joe March 15th 06 02:56 PM

Magnetic North
 
Your link says nothing about a magnetic field reducing rust Bob.

My neighbor works as an engineer designing down hole tools for the
oilfield, perffereators lowered down the hole and exploded to fracture
the rock to release more oil. Anyhow he says the make high explosives
out of rust.

Joe


Martin Baxter March 15th 06 03:14 PM

Magnetic North
 
Bob Crantz wrote:

Joe,


However, there are piles of dead birds to be found at the poles. Birds, and
other animals, have small bits of paramagnetic material in their skulls that
help with direction finding. Once they get near the poles they try to fly
straight up and eventually fall to the ground from exhaustion.


You have a wonderfully inventive imagination!

An even bigger problem is GPS navigation near the true poles. To a GPS unit
all direction is lost at the pole.


Why would this be? I don't see why the location algorithym should become
invalid at these locations.

Cheers
Marty

Joe March 15th 06 03:17 PM

Magnetic North
 
Whatta scam.

here is my fav quote "The System will not prevent rust stains forming
on porous paint because the porous paint is not an adequate dielectric"

Nooooooooo ****. Bwahahahahahahah

You know what Bob....... I have found over the years with a regular
coat of non-porous paint something magical happens and no rust forms..
its frickin Amazing. I think it may be the static electricity powered
magnatism induced from the paint brush. I should patent my magnetic
field inducing brushes. I can paint straighter with my aluminum beenie
on too!

Joe

Joe


Bob Crantz March 15th 06 03:30 PM

Magnetic North
 
Some scam indeed:

http://www.magnetpaints.com/underbody.asp

Used heavily in the maritime industry!

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Whatta scam.

here is my fav quote "The System will not prevent rust stains forming
on porous paint because the porous paint is not an adequate dielectric"

Nooooooooo ****. Bwahahahahahahah

You know what Bob....... I have found over the years with a regular
coat of non-porous paint something magical happens and no rust forms..
its frickin Amazing. I think it may be the static electricity powered
magnatism induced from the paint brush. I should patent my magnetic
field inducing brushes. I can paint straighter with my aluminum beenie
on too!

Joe

Joe




Bob Crantz March 15th 06 04:05 PM

Magnetic North
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:

Joe,


However, there are piles of dead birds to be found at the poles. Birds,
and
other animals, have small bits of paramagnetic material in their skulls
that
help with direction finding. Once they get near the poles they try to fly
straight up and eventually fall to the ground from exhaustion.


You have a wonderfully inventive imagination!

An even bigger problem is GPS navigation near the true poles. To a GPS
unit
all direction is lost at the pole.


Why would this be? I don't see why the location algorithym should become
invalid at these locations.


Ooops!

It's the singularity for inertial navigational platforms, not GPS. The GPS
reference are satellites. The inertial system includes the rotation of the
earth. At the pole, there is no rotation.

I almost burned in hell for that one!

Amen!



Cheers
Marty




Martin Baxter March 15th 06 04:59 PM

Magnetic North
 
Bob Crantz wrote:


Why would this be? I don't see why the location algorithym should become
invalid at these locations.


Ooops!

It's the singularity for inertial navigational platforms, not GPS. The GPS
reference are satellites. The inertial system includes the rotation of the
earth. At the pole, there is no rotation.

I almost burned in hell for that one!


We'll forgive you this time, don't let it happen again; say two Our
Fathers and a Hail Mary.

Cheers
Marty

Maxprop March 15th 06 06:48 PM

Magnetic North
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:GcURf.29453$M52.23124@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
Much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with you

here. The agonic
line used to run smack dab through my home when I was a

kid. Now it's
about 100 miles east.

When you have to confirm property limits from a survey

completed in
1951... and that survey is based on Magnetic North

bearings...

I'm guessing that by the current magnetic survey, my

property must be in
Ohio by now.

Geological Survey of Canada can provide the exact

location as well as path
of travel of the Magnetic North for any year recorded. I

have been to the
Magnetic North in 1983.


Did you see God? Or Elvis?


He's Canadjun, he saw Wayne Gretzky.


But he ain't dead yet. At least not until his wife's gambling "buddies"
knock him off.

Max



Maxprop March 15th 06 06:50 PM

Magnetic North
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
Read this:

http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/secti...0512030401.htm


The magnetic field binds the steel, so it is much harder for rust to form.

Use strong magnets!


Indeed. A great docking aid when the pilings are ferrous. Dock lines
become optional.

Max



Maxprop March 15th 06 06:51 PM

Magnetic North
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:

Joe,


However, there are piles of dead birds to be found at the poles. Birds,
and
other animals, have small bits of paramagnetic material in their skulls
that
help with direction finding. Once they get near the poles they try to
fly
straight up and eventually fall to the ground from exhaustion.


You have a wonderfully inventive imagination!

An even bigger problem is GPS navigation near the true poles. To a GPS
unit
all direction is lost at the pole.


Why would this be? I don't see why the location algorithym should become
invalid at these locations.


Ooops!

It's the singularity for inertial navigational platforms, not GPS. The GPS
reference are satellites. The inertial system includes the rotation of the
earth. At the pole, there is no rotation.

I almost burned in hell for that one!


Were your cerebral algorithms scrambled slightly?

Max



Maxprop March 15th 06 06:53 PM

Magnetic North
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:


Why would this be? I don't see why the location algorithym should
become
invalid at these locations.


Ooops!

It's the singularity for inertial navigational platforms, not GPS. The
GPS
reference are satellites. The inertial system includes the rotation of
the
earth. At the pole, there is no rotation.

I almost burned in hell for that one!


We'll forgive you this time, don't let it happen again; say two Our
Fathers and a Hail Mary.


A sizeable donation to the First Church of the Microwave Poodle would help,
too.

(That would be a California church, Bob.)

Max



Capt. JG March 15th 06 07:58 PM

Magnetic North
 
"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:


Why would this be? I don't see why the location algorithym should
become
invalid at these locations.

Ooops!

It's the singularity for inertial navigational platforms, not GPS. The
GPS
reference are satellites. The inertial system includes the rotation of
the
earth. At the pole, there is no rotation.

I almost burned in hell for that one!


We'll forgive you this time, don't let it happen again; say two Our
Fathers and a Hail Mary.


A sizeable donation to the First Church of the Microwave Poodle would
help, too.

(That would be a California church, Bob.)


We're civilized out here. You're in a fly-over state. :-)

Besides, we're anti-religion.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Bob Crantz March 15th 06 08:11 PM

Magnetic North
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:

Joe,


However, there are piles of dead birds to be found at the poles. Birds,
and
other animals, have small bits of paramagnetic material in their skulls
that
help with direction finding. Once they get near the poles they try to
fly
straight up and eventually fall to the ground from exhaustion.

You have a wonderfully inventive imagination!

An even bigger problem is GPS navigation near the true poles. To a GPS
unit
all direction is lost at the pole.

Why would this be? I don't see why the location algorithym should become
invalid at these locations.


Ooops!

It's the singularity for inertial navigational platforms, not GPS. The
GPS reference are satellites. The inertial system includes the rotation
of the earth. At the pole, there is no rotation.

I almost burned in hell for that one!


Were your cerebral algorithms scrambled slightly?

Max

No, but the Moire patterns flashed.

Amen!



Bart Senior March 16th 06 09:23 PM

Magnetic North
 
Correction. Far Left of it.

"Maxprop" wrote in
Joe's boat will begin to point east somewhat.




Bart Senior March 16th 06 09:25 PM

Magnetic North
 
Where was this? Chicago?

"Maxprop" wrote
The agonic line used to run smack dab through my home when I was a kid.
Now it's about 100 miles east.





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