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Bart Senior March 6th 06 04:41 AM

Seamanship Question #33
 
We might have covered this once before, however,
it is worth repeating. After someone answers it
correctly, I'll tell you a real world story relating
to it.

Why is it a good idea to hand pump your bilge every
day when sailing on the ocean? [1 pt]



Frank Boettcher March 6th 06 01:30 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:41:42 -0500, "Bart Senior"
wrote:

We might have covered this once before, however,
it is worth repeating. After someone answers it
correctly, I'll tell you a real world story relating
to it.

Why is it a good idea to hand pump your bilge every
day when sailing on the ocean? [1 pt]



Depending on the source of power for your electric pump it can reduce
the strain on your battery bank and save recharge fuel.

It keeps the diaphragm in the pump flexed and ascertains that it is
primed and working properly.

Joe March 6th 06 02:30 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
I'd rather have a dry bilge while sailing the ocean Bart.


If you're sailing one of Ozes boats it would be wise to hand pump the
bilge just to make sure the keel hasent started failing ;0)

Joe


thunder March 6th 06 02:51 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 23:41:42 -0500, Bart Senior wrote:

We might have covered this once before, however, it is worth repeating.
After someone answers it correctly, I'll tell you a real world story
relating to it.

Why is it a good idea to hand pump your bilge every day when sailing on
the ocean? [1 pt]


It's one way to detect any changes in the amount of water in the bilge.


Bart Senior March 6th 06 05:20 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
True. With a Bavaria, I'd check the bilge constantly.

"Joe" wrote
If you're sailing one of Ozes boats it would be wise to hand pump the
bilge just to make sure the keel hasn't started failing ;0)




Bart Senior March 6th 06 05:28 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
Correct. This is the most important reason. 1 point to you.

A fellow I know was moving his boat south last fall. He had
had a hard grounding last season, and during the passage
south the keel started working back and forth. The electric
bilge pump kept up with it, but when the power failed
during the last two days of the trip, it required 100 pumps
an hour to keep it dry.

If they had hand pumped the bilge they would have saved
their batteries, and been aware of the problem early on.

"thunder" wrote
Bart Senior wrote:

Why is it a good idea to hand pump your bilge every day when sailing on
the ocean? [1 pt]


It's one way to detect any changes in the amount of water in the bilge.





Bart Senior March 6th 06 05:30 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
It was not the answer I was looking for, but it's a good answer
Frank.worth 1 point. Thanks.

"Frank Boettcher" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote:

Why is it a good idea to hand pump your bilge every
day when sailing on the ocean? [1 pt]


Depending on the source of power for your electric pump it can reduce
the strain on your battery bank and save recharge fuel.

It keeps the diaphragm in the pump flexed and ascertains that it is
primed and working properly.




[email protected] March 6th 06 06:00 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
Why do people still think external keels are safer?


Bob March 8th 06 08:42 AM

Seamanship Question #33
 

Bart Senior wrote:
Correct. This is the most important reason. 1 point to you.


If they had hand pumped the bilge they would have saved
their batteries, and been aware of the problem early on.


Why is it a good idea to hand pump your bilge every day when sailing on
the ocean? [1 pt]


It's one way to detect any changes in the amount of water in your bilge.


I'm not a real sailor but I would like to be
someday......................... So you are telling me that nobody does
an hourly visual look to the bilge to see what lurking down there? I
guess that is probably to nast of a job for real saliors.

Here is a question I will give 10 points to anybody who knows the
correct answe

"Columbus discovered America in __________________."

Go to it .


DSK March 8th 06 12:13 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
First of all, "Bob" is a bad luck name around here. Might
want to change it.

Bob wrote:
I'm not a real sailor but I would like to be
someday.........................


DEfine "real"

... So you are telling me that nobody does
an hourly visual look to the bilge to see what lurking down there?


I dunno about hourly, that seems excessive. Daily would
probably do it. And noted in the log.

... I
guess that is probably to nast of a job for real saliors.


Why would it be a "nast" job? Is the bilge dirty?
If so, clean it! It's a boat not a stable yard.

Here is a question I will give 10 points to anybody who knows the
correct answe

"Columbus discovered America in __________________."


Columbus didn't discover America. For one thing, it wasn't
named that, for another, Columbus thought he was in China,
for yet another, he "discovered" a small island in the
Caribbean (nobody knows exactly which one), for yet another
the Vikings & the Irish had been to North America long before.

Counting the hours until I can get back to work on the boat

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Maxprop March 8th 06 01:00 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 

"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...


I'm not a real sailor but I would like to be
someday......................... So you are telling me that nobody does
an hourly visual look to the bilge to see what lurking down there? I
guess that is probably to nast of a job for real saliors.


If you must do an hourly inspection of the bilge, you would have to be quite
unfamiliar with your boat. Daily is sufficient, if you know what condition
the packing glad is in, not to mention that most bilges have automatic pumps
which will alert you to an incoming water problem should one occur. Only
the highly paranoid would do an hourly inspection, once familiar with the
boat.

Here is a question I will give 10 points to anybody who knows the
correct answe

"Columbus discovered America in ____absentia______________."


Max



katy March 8th 06 01:34 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
Bob wrote:
Bart Senior wrote:
Correct. This is the most important reason. 1 point to you.


If they had hand pumped the bilge they would have saved
their batteries, and been aware of the problem early on.


Why is it a good idea to hand pump your bilge every day when sailing on
the ocean? [1 pt]


It's one way to detect any changes in the amount of water in your bilge.


I'm not a real sailor but I would like to be
someday......................... So you are telling me that nobody does
an hourly visual look to the bilge to see what lurking down there? I
guess that is probably to nast of a job for real saliors.

Here is a question I will give 10 points to anybody who knows the
correct answe

"Columbus discovered America in __________________."

Go to it .

Columbus didn't discover America; he discovered Santo Domingo....

Joe March 8th 06 02:14 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
I have to dis-agree Doug, I think it is wise to view your bilges more
often than once a day. I like to do it at a min of once every 6 hours
while underway. First thing in watch change

joe


Frank Boettcher March 8th 06 02:21 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
On 8 Mar 2006 06:14:45 -0800, "Joe" wrote:

I have to dis-agree Doug, I think it is wise to view your bilges more
often than once a day. I like to do it at a min of once every 6 hours
while underway. First thing in watch change

joe



Agree with Joe. On a delivery of a new boat, wind conditions changed
creating additional heel. An improperly designed anti-siphon loop
started taking on water. A once a day bilge check might have been a
disaster. Our watches were set at four hours and it was on the check
list.

Frank

Bart Senior March 8th 06 03:02 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
It is easier to manually pump the bilge. Most
often a manual pump is located on deck near
the helm. If the bilge is expected to be dry and
that is found not to be the case, further investigation
would be warranted.

Should you actually inspect the bilge? Yes periodically.
How often is up to you. I've found that even small
cracks that can't be sealed will leak water. The
important thing to remember is to check it often. I've
often read of people waking up to find water over the
cabin sole. Checking often, either by using a manual
bilge pump and or visual inspection might give you the
extra time needed to save the boat.

The lesson here is it is a good idea to manually
pump the bilge because it makes it more obvious
if water is coming into the boat, while electric
bilge pumps make such problems transparent
until they are more severe. Also, it saves your
batteries and give you a bit of exercise.

Use your manual bilge pump often to ensure it
works, and have spare parts on hand. Having
more than one pump is a smart idea also.

By the way, you get to be a real sailor by actually
sailing, by being humble enough to realize that you
can learn from everyone, and finally by being smart
enough to recognize that the subject is one that
requires deep and constant study to master.

"Bob" wrote

Bart Senior wrote:
If they had hand pumped the bilge they would have saved
their batteries, and been aware of the problem early on.


Why is it a good idea to hand pump your bilge every
day when sailing on the ocean? [1 pt]


It's one way to detect any changes in the amount of
water in your bilge.


I'm not a real sailor but I would like to be
someday......................... So you are telling me that nobody does
an hourly visual look to the bilge to see what lurking down there? I
guess that is probably to nast of a job for real saliors.




Maxprop March 8th 06 07:25 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 

"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...
On 8 Mar 2006 06:14:45 -0800, "Joe" wrote:

I have to dis-agree Doug, I think it is wise to view your bilges more
often than once a day. I like to do it at a min of once every 6 hours
while underway. First thing in watch change

joe



Agree with Joe. On a delivery of a new boat, wind conditions changed
creating additional heel. An improperly designed anti-siphon loop
started taking on water. A once a day bilge check might have been a
disaster. Our watches were set at four hours and it was on the check
list.


A new sportfisherman, built in NC and being delivered to the Miami Boat
Show, sank in the Neuse River just off Oriental about a month or so ago.
Seems the dripless gland on one of the shafts ruptured and allowed the bilge
to flood, ultimately sinking the boat and killing both delivery pilots
aboard. I wonder if they ever checked the bilge prior to its flooding.

Max



Joe March 8th 06 10:07 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
Columbus discoverded America in...... a Sailboat!

Joe


DSK March 9th 06 12:10 AM

Seamanship Question #33
 
"Joe" wrote:
I have to dis-agree Doug, I think it is wise to view your bilges more
often than once a day. I like to do it at a min of once every 6 hours
while underway. First thing in watch change




Frank Boettcher wrote:
Agree with Joe. On a delivery of a new boat, wind conditions changed
creating additional heel. An improperly designed anti-siphon loop
started taking on water. A once a day bilge check might have been a
disaster. Our watches were set at four hours and it was on the check
list.


In an unfamiliar boat, or on a delivery (which would also be
in an unfamiliar boat), sure. But in a well-found boat that
you know and have confidence in?

On my own boats I've gone weeks without looking in the
bilge, nor having any reason to. On somebody elses boat I
might look more often, especially at first... if they asked
me to check once per watch, OK. Once per hour? I would
wonder what made them so paranoid.

DSK


Bob March 9th 06 09:20 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 

DSK wrote:

But in a well-found boat that
you know and have confidence in?


On my own boats I've gone weeks without looking in the
bilge, nor having any reason to.
Once per hour? I would wonder what made them so paranoid.
DSK


Life on the water.

Do you allow smoking on your boat too?


DSK March 9th 06 09:30 PM

Seamanship Question #33
 
On my own boats I've gone weeks without looking in the
bilge, nor having any reason to.
Once per hour? I would wonder what made them so paranoid.
DSK



Bob wrote:
Life on the water.


Without doing proper maintenance?


Do you allow smoking on your boat too?


Yes, but only after sex.

DSK


Scotty March 10th 06 01:32 AM

Seamanship Question #33
 

"Bob" wrote in message
Here is a question I will give 10 points to anybody who

knows the
correct answe

"Columbus discovered America in _____a boat_____________."



Scotty




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