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Dubai deal had Coast Guard at sea - pol BY KENNETH R. BAZINET and MICHAEL McAULIFF DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU WASHINGTON - The Coast Guard feared it didn't have enough intel to decide whether Dubai's purchase of U.S. port operations posed a terrorist threat to the nation, a Republican senator revealed yesterday. "There are many intelligence gaps, concerning the potential for DPW [Dubai Ports World] or P&O [Peninsular and Oriental] assets to support terrorist operations, that precludes an overall threat assessment," says a Coast Guard memo released by Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine). Collins revealed the contents of the declassified memo at a Senate homeland security hearing as the White House hinted it could kill any legislation aimed at stopping Dubai Ports World from buying facilities now run by England's P&O ports. The Coast Guard last night said the document Collins cited was written early in its initial review and does not reflect the final, classified analysis. "This transaction, when taking into account strong security assurances by DP World, does not compromise U.S. security," a Coast Guard spokesman, Commander Jeff Carter, said in a statement. After Collins made her disclosure yesterday, the Coast Guard gave her and other senators a briefing behind closed doors on its classified report. But when Collins emerged, she wasn't satisfied by what she heard. "I am more convinced than ever that the process was truly flawed," said Collins. Rep. Pete King (R-L.I.), her counterpart on the House Homeland Security Committee, scoffed at the White House's new probe of the port deal. "They seem to be interpreting 'investigation' as an opportunity to educate us," he said. "It's a very condescending position." The latest developments came as the White House showed signs of getting on top of the furor over the deal, with DP World's agreement over the weekend to a retroactive 45-day investigation of its purchase. That news prompted Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) to soften his stance on the deal after first threatening to deep-six it with legislation. The White House believes that threat is all but dead. "Sen. Frist has said that he will ask the Senate to hold off on legislation," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. A source confirmed the administration believes Frist will stop any bills from coming to a vote, such as a bipartisan measure introduced yesterday by Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
Yeah, I just heard this last night. My question is why did Bush lie about it
when he said everyone was aboard with the plan? Or, was he misinformed, dumb, or making things up... it just makes no sense. Even Rove would know that this would come out quickly. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Dubai deal had Coast Guard at sea - pol BY KENNETH R. BAZINET and MICHAEL McAULIFF DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU WASHINGTON - The Coast Guard feared it didn't have enough intel to decide whether Dubai's purchase of U.S. port operations posed a terrorist threat to the nation, a Republican senator revealed yesterday. "There are many intelligence gaps, concerning the potential for DPW [Dubai Ports World] or P&O [Peninsular and Oriental] assets to support terrorist operations, that precludes an overall threat assessment," says a Coast Guard memo released by Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine). Collins revealed the contents of the declassified memo at a Senate homeland security hearing as the White House hinted it could kill any legislation aimed at stopping Dubai Ports World from buying facilities now run by England's P&O ports. The Coast Guard last night said the document Collins cited was written early in its initial review and does not reflect the final, classified analysis. "This transaction, when taking into account strong security assurances by DP World, does not compromise U.S. security," a Coast Guard spokesman, Commander Jeff Carter, said in a statement. After Collins made her disclosure yesterday, the Coast Guard gave her and other senators a briefing behind closed doors on its classified report. But when Collins emerged, she wasn't satisfied by what she heard. "I am more convinced than ever that the process was truly flawed," said Collins. Rep. Pete King (R-L.I.), her counterpart on the House Homeland Security Committee, scoffed at the White House's new probe of the port deal. "They seem to be interpreting 'investigation' as an opportunity to educate us," he said. "It's a very condescending position." The latest developments came as the White House showed signs of getting on top of the furor over the deal, with DP World's agreement over the weekend to a retroactive 45-day investigation of its purchase. That news prompted Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) to soften his stance on the deal after first threatening to deep-six it with legislation. The White House believes that threat is all but dead. "Sen. Frist has said that he will ask the Senate to hold off on legislation," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. A source confirmed the administration believes Frist will stop any bills from coming to a vote, such as a bipartisan measure introduced yesterday by Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Yeah, I just heard this last night. My question is why did Bush lie about it when he said everyone was aboard with the plan? Or, was he misinformed, dumb, or making things up... it just makes no sense. Even Rove would know that this would come out quickly. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Arrogance. Rove is probably the most arrogant of the bunch. John Cairns |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
Probably true, but that didn't address my questions.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:28:36 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Yeah, I just heard this last night. My question is why did Bush lie about it when he said everyone was aboard with the plan? Or, was he misinformed, dumb, or making things up... it just makes no sense. Even Rove would know that this would come out quickly. I suspect we have here another instance of what we're seeing a lot of lately--the bureaucrat who voices his views in the process of an agency's reaching its final conclusion, doesn't prevail in the final analysis, and decides to take his views to the press. It should definitely not be a career-enhancing move for the leaking bureaucrat. |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
Apparently, they are so silly that the deal has been scuttled at least for
the time being. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:19:00 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Probably true, but that didn't address my questions. That's because they were silly questions. Only in your mind does saying that all of the departments were in agreement mean that no one in the whole process of evaluation expressed any reservations. Only in your own mind would the guy at the top be aware of the individual views of every bureaucrat who had any input to the decision. |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
"Capt. JG" wrote
...... My question is why did Bush lie about it ..... Politicians react differently than other people. If I ask -say- your age, your first response is likely the truth. That's so common that police and courts put more faith in it (Raes Gestae (sp?) evidence) than other testimony. With sociopaths like Bush just the opposite is true - their first instinct is to lie. Oddly, we all know this yet our own tendency toward honesty misleads us into believing them. Think about it. Given the man's track record of whoppers why do we expect anything but lies? |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion nowclassified.
"Capt. JG" wrote
...... My question is why did Bush lie about it ..... Vito wrote: Politicians react differently than other people. If I ask -say- your age, your first response is likely the truth. That's so common that police and courts put more faith in it (Raes Gestae (sp?) evidence) than other testimony. With sociopaths like Bush just the opposite is true - their first instinct is to lie. I disagree strongly. I don't think President Bush lies deliberately at all. It's more like what you get if you ask a precocious 5 year old to solve a calculus equation. One key point is that Bush *believes* what he's saying. I'm sure he honestly did think that Saddam's WMD's were the biggest threat to America. He is at the mercy of his advisors & what they tell him. I'm equally sure that he thought his energy policy from 2000 to 2005 was the best thing for America, and sees no contradiction at all with his statements on energy policy for 2006 (which sounded like an Al Gore speech from 1999). Oddly, we all know this yet our own tendency toward honesty misleads us into believing them. Think about it. Given the man's track record of whoppers why do we expect anything but lies? It's not the first time we have had a President who was largely a figurehead. It's not the first time we have had a President who was a figurehead for rapacious profiteers. However, it is the first time (that I know of) we have been in such a position politically, economically, militarily, all at once. Bad luck? DSK |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
DSK wrote:
It's not the first time we have had a President who was largely a figurehead. It's not the first time we have had a President who was a figurehead for rapacious profiteers. Yeah, but certainly not since WWII and probably not since the 19th century. I don't think Harding was this bad. However, it is the first time (that I know of) we have been in such a position politically, economically, militarily, all at once. Bad luck? Criminal negligance on the part of the Silent, Boomer, and post Boomer generations, namely most of the people born from 1925 to the early 80's. Never have there been so many Americans with their collective heads up their collective asses. My Silent generation parents have done what they do best, remaining silent. My Dad said point blank that he didn't want to know what was going on. Doesn't prevent them from stating the most idiot ignorance based opinions possible. Boomers have been incredibly narrowly focused on their own pet issues to the exclusion of all else, particularly the right wing 'christians' and their dream of an American theocracy. Post boomers have done what the Lost generation and all other previous post Boomer-type generations have done: concentrate on surviving day to day and trying not to think about the future. |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion nowclassified.
katysails wrote:
You obviously don't remember Jimmy Carter....the puppet Presidnet.... ??? I do remember Carter as President (in fact it doesn't seem that long ago). Whose puppet was he? What I recall of President Carter's political maneuvering is that he consistently tried to do what would be best in the long run, and as a result consistently alienated just about everybody. His whole philosophy was the President should not work for the benefit of special interest groups. Sounds great in theory, didn't work so well in practice (partly, I think, because of Carter's personality). Criminal negligance on the part of the Silent, Boomer, and post Boomer generations, namely most of the people born from 1925 to the early 80's. Never have there been so many Americans with their collective heads up their collective asses. I disagree with that entirely...those people you speak of are responsible for the civil rights movement, great scientific gains, and overall progress.... I think he meant now, not then. DSK |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion nowclassified.
"Capt. JG" wrote:
Carter was a lot of things, many of which I disliked, but he wasn't a puppet. Yup, it's kind of funny outside of the USA, or more precisely, most of the people I know quite liked Carter and think his Presidency was one of the best! Cheers Marty |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion nowclassified.
DSK wrote:
katysails wrote: You obviously don't remember Jimmy Carter....the puppet Presidnet.... ??? I do remember Carter as President (in fact it doesn't seem that long ago). Whose puppet was he? What I recall of President Carter's political maneuvering is that he consistently tried to do what would be best in the long run, and as a result consistently alienated just about everybody. His whole philosophy was the President should not work for the benefit of special interest groups. Sounds great in theory, didn't work so well in practice (partly, I think, because of Carter's personality). Criminal negligance on the part of the Silent, Boomer, and post Boomer generations, namely most of the people born from 1925 to the early 80's. Never have there been so many Americans with their collective heads up their collective asses. I disagree with that entirely...those people you speak of are responsible for the civil rights movement, great scientific gains, and overall progress.... I think he meant now, not then. DSK His cabinet ....which he ahd to replace...over and over again...ok, so he was a poor choice of character, but he kept making the same mistake...I'll retract the puppet and replace it with naive... |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion nowclassified.
about President Carter
katysails wrote: His cabinet ....which he ahd to replace...over and over again...ok, so he was a poor choice of character, but he kept making the same mistake...I'll retract the puppet and replace it with naive... I'd agree with that. Partly being naive and partly his idealistic convictions. It's great for people to be idealistic, don't get me wrong. But it's a bummer to be consistently sideswiped by do-gooders... and I think the whole country go tired of it. DSK |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:28:09 -0500, DSK wrote:
katysails wrote: You obviously don't remember Jimmy Carter....the puppet Presidnet.... ??? I do remember Carter as President (in fact it doesn't seem that long ago). Whose puppet was he? What I recall of President Carter's political maneuvering is that he consistently tried to do what would be best in the long run, ........ I agree with that statement. I don't remember if it was Powell or Schwartztcoph who when asked about who was mostly responsible for the effectiveness of the weapon systems during Desert Storm said that Jimmy Carter hated war so much he wanted them, when necessary, to be quick with minimal loss of life. So he approved and proposed many of the smart weapon systems research projects. While I don't always agree with his positions today, I do admire him as the most active and involved ex president ever. Frank DSK |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
He was a lousy pres, but is a great ex-pres.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote: Carter was a lot of things, many of which I disliked, but he wasn't a puppet. Yup, it's kind of funny outside of the USA, or more precisely, most of the people I know quite liked Carter and think his Presidency was one of the best! Cheers Marty |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
Damn right. He sure stopped smiling pretty quickly.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:32:46 -0500, Martin Baxter said: Yup, it's kind of funny outside of the USA, or more precisely, most of the people I know quite liked Carter and think his Presidency was one of the best! Not too surprising. They didn't have to live through that disaster first hand. |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
Me too.. and I'm a liberal.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message .. . about President Carter katysails wrote: His cabinet ....which he ahd to replace...over and over again...ok, so he was a poor choice of character, but he kept making the same mistake...I'll retract the puppet and replace it with naive... I'd agree with that. Partly being naive and partly his idealistic convictions. It's great for people to be idealistic, don't get me wrong. But it's a bummer to be consistently sideswiped by do-gooders... and I think the whole country go tired of it. DSK |
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Dave,
Don't you think that the Head Man should have a better idea of just how many "are on board" and how the elected representative in the Gov. feel? I get the feeling that Bush wants his way and be damn to those that elected him; IF THEY DON"T AGREE!" I hate "LAME DUCK" politicians. |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:32:46 -0500, Martin Baxter said: Yup, it's kind of funny outside of the USA, or more precisely, most of the people I know quite liked Carter and think his Presidency was one of the best! Not too surprising. They didn't have to live through that disaster first hand. I dunno. I sort of liked double-digit inflation and the devaluation of the dollar abroad. Then again I like jock itch and toenail fungus too. Max |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
"DSK" wrote
I disagree strongly. I don't think President Bush lies deliberately at all. ..... One key point is that Bush *believes* what he's saying..... Our positions are not necessarily mutualy exclusive. I've had the misfortune to know a couple people like Bush personally. Again, if one asks most people a simple question they will instinctively tell the truth unless that truth threatens them. You or I could easily claim to have 120 ft crewed yachts instead of my old catalina or your trawler but we do not. Some might argue that our parents crippled us by instilling an instinctive honesty. Pathological liars do not share that liability - the give answers they believe best suit their own interests. It may even be true, or partly true, sometimes. Then they convince themselves it is true, eventually loosing track of what is real and what is not. As you say, Bush could pass a lie detector test claiming that Saddam had WMDs he was about to share with bin Ladin. That's what makes them different than garden variety liars (Like Clinton and his BJ) and also so dangerous. |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
"katy" wrote
wrote: Criminal negligance on the part of the Silent, Boomer, and post Boomer generations, namely most of the people born from 1925 to the early 80's. Never have there been so many Americans with their collective heads up their collective asses. I disagree with that entirely...those people you speak of are responsible for the civil rights movement, great scientific gains, and overall progress.... You're right katy. That's the trouble with youthful ignorance. They don't believe that just 50 year ago blacks couldn't go to white schools or even drink from white fountains, that birth control as well as abortion were illegal, that police commonly beat confessions out of people, that most Americans thot women couldn't have orgasms, that there was no interstate system or space travel, that an orange was a treat found in your xmas stocking, nobody'd ever tasted a kiwi, that not one in ten graduated college, and so on. They expect their "silent" parents to support them until they are 30. Mark's mommy prolly still washes his skivies! My Silent generation parents have done what they do best, remaining silent. My Dad said point blank that he didn't want to know what was going on. Worse yet, it never occurs to them that dad may be burned out from getting his head busted at demonstrations and his ass busted trying to support and educate his ungrateful son - that maybe Dad expects HIM to take over where he left off. Ah, spoiled brat syndrome. ..... You'll get over it when you grow up. I wonder ..... |
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"Dave" wrote
Not too surprising. They didn't have to live through that disaster first hand. Carter didn't create the financial disaster he inherited. When JFK took office "Sound as a Dollar" was a maxim. Then we overextended ourselves to finance the Vietnam war, the space program, and LBJ's welfare state, not to mention the Cold War, without raising taxes to fund these new 'programs'. So, confidence in the dollar collapsed and Nixon had to take us off the silver standard. The only thing that saved the dollar was that 'Big Oil' agreed to accept only dollars for oil. The government was desperate for money and had only three ways to get it: tax it, create it or borrow it. They chose to create it, causing inflation, and borrow it internally, causing high interest rates. Meanwhile 'Big Oil' got to enjoy a 'shortage' that skyrocketed profits without any investigation. That's the mess Jimmy Otter inherited and could do little about. Reagan "fixed" it by going overseas and mortgaging America to borrow $trillions and throw a party. Bush follows in his footsteps. He even has his own war. |
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Vito wrote:
Pathological liars do not share that liability - the give answers they believe best suit their own interests. It may even be true, or partly true, sometimes. Then they convince themselves it is true, eventually loosing track of what is real and what is not. You talking about GW or Bubbles? Cheers Marty |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion nowclassified.
Dave wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:35:56 -0500, "Vito" wrote: Carter didn't create the financial disaster he inherited. Always nice to know what the current fairy tale of the left is. It never ceases to amaze my how many people can ascribe the economic tides of the world to a single individual: If you're a left wingnut than it wasn't Carters fault, if you're a a right wing whacko then JWB didn't do it, it was all Clintons' fault. The last guy that had that kind of power spoke German and didn't last too long. Cheers Marty |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion nowclassified.
Dave wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:28:36 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Yeah, I just heard this last night. My question is why did Bush lie about it when he said everyone was aboard with the plan? Or, was he misinformed, dumb, or making things up... it just makes no sense. Even Rove would know that this would come out quickly. I suspect we have here another instance of what we're seeing a lot of lately--the bureaucrat who voices his views in the process of an agency's reaching its final conclusion, doesn't prevail in the final analysis, and decides to take his views to the press. It should definitely not be a career-enhancing move for the leaking bureaucrat. I don't often agree with you Dave, but here I think you're correct. For crying out loud something on the order of 80, yes eighty of your major ports are already operated by foreign firms, what's five more? The port operators are not responsible for security, customs, screening of containers, scrutinizing ship's manifests or crew lists, these duties all fall to various Federal agencies. What we are seeing here is typical posturing and blustering by politicians from both sides, they are taking advantage of the rather gullible mainstream media and the now frightened and paranoid general populace's ignorance. Cheers Marty |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
Well, he lasted from 1933 to 1945. Seems to me that was plenty long enough.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:35:56 -0500, "Vito" wrote: Carter didn't create the financial disaster he inherited. Always nice to know what the current fairy tale of the left is. It never ceases to amaze my how many people can ascribe the economic tides of the world to a single individual: If you're a left wingnut than it wasn't Carters fault, if you're a a right wing whacko then JWB didn't do it, it was all Clintons' fault. The last guy that had that kind of power spoke German and didn't last too long. Cheers Marty |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:35:56 -0500, "Vito" wrote: Carter didn't create the financial disaster he inherited. Always nice to know what the current fairy tale of the left is. It never ceases to amaze my how many people can ascribe the economic tides of the world to a single individual: If you're a left wingnut than it wasn't Carters fault, if you're a a right wing whacko then JWB didn't do it, it was all Clintons' fault. The last guy that had that kind of power spoke German and didn't last too long. Well, he lasted from 1933 to 1945. Seems to me that was plenty long enough. About 12 years too long. Max |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
"Dave" wrote...
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:35:56 -0500, "Vito" wrote: Carter didn't create the financial disaster he inherited. Always nice to know what the current fairy tale of the left is. This from guy who believes a man named Jesus died for his sins and will take him to heaven. |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion now classified.
"Martin Baxter" wrote
Dave wrote: "Vito" wrote: Carter didn't create the financial disaster he inherited. Always nice to know what the current fairy tale of the left is. It never ceases to amaze my how many people can ascribe the economic tides of the world to a single individual: If you're a left wingnut than it wasn't Carters fault, if you're a a right wing whacko then JWB didn't do it, it was all Clintons' fault. True. But one needn't be a left wing nut to agree with you and say that Carter himself didn't create the problems he inherited. One simply needs to be realistic. FWIW I'm a Goldwater Conservative. |
USCG " many intelligence gaps" in Port Deal. New opinion nowclassified.
Vito wrote:
"Martin Baxter" wrote Dave wrote: "Vito" wrote: Carter didn't create the financial disaster he inherited. Always nice to know what the current fairy tale of the left is. It never ceases to amaze my how many people can ascribe the economic tides of the world to a single individual: If you're a left wingnut than it wasn't Carters fault, if you're a a right wing whacko then JWB didn't do it, it was all Clintons' fault. True. But one needn't be a left wing nut to agree with you and say that Carter himself didn't create the problems he inherited. One simply needs to be realistic. FWIW I'm a Goldwater Conservative. I rather liked what Goldwater stood for, but he seemed to scare the hell out of a lot of voters; could of had something to do with that ad where the little girl gets vaporized in an atomic explosion. ;-) Cheers Marty |
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