"Capt. JG" wrote:

Carter was a lot of things, many of which I disliked, but he wasn't a
puppet.

Yup, it's kind of funny outside of the USA, or more precisely, most of
the people I know quite liked Carter and think his Presidency was one of
the best!

Cheers
Marty

DSK wrote:
katysails wrote:

You obviously don't remember Jimmy Carter....the puppet Presidnet....


???
I do remember Carter as President (in fact it doesn't seem that long
ago). Whose puppet was he?

What I recall of President Carter's political maneuvering is that he
consistently tried to do what would be best in the long run, and as a
result consistently alienated just about everybody. His whole philosophy
was the President should not work for the benefit of special interest
groups.

Sounds great in theory, didn't work so well in practice (partly, I
think, because of Carter's personality).


Criminal negligance on the part of the Silent, Boomer, and post Boomer
generations, namely most of the people born from 1925 to the early
80's. Never have there been so many Americans with their collective
heads up their collective asses.



I disagree with that entirely...those people you speak of are
responsible for the civil rights movement, great scientific gains, and
overall progress....


I think he meant now, not then.

DSK

His cabinet ....which he ahd to replace...over and over again...ok,
so he was a poor choice of character, but he kept making the same
mistake...I'll retract the puppet and replace it with naive...

about President Carter

katysails wrote:
His cabinet ....which he ahd to replace...over and over again...ok, so
he was a poor choice of character, but he kept making the same
mistake...I'll retract the puppet and replace it with naive...

I'd agree with that.

Partly being naive and partly his idealistic convictions.

It's great for people to be idealistic, don't get me wrong.
But it's a bummer to be consistently sideswiped by
do-gooders... and I think the whole country go tired of it.

DSK

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:28:09 -0500, DSK wrote:

katysails wrote:
You obviously don't remember Jimmy Carter....the puppet Presidnet....


???
I do remember Carter as President (in fact it doesn't seem
that long ago). Whose puppet was he?

What I recall of President Carter's political maneuvering is
that he consistently tried to do what would be best in the
long run, ........

I agree with that statement. I don't remember if it was Powell or
Schwartztcoph who when asked about who was mostly responsible for the
effectiveness of the weapon systems during Desert Storm said that
Jimmy Carter hated war so much he wanted them, when necessary, to be
quick with minimal loss of life. So he approved and proposed many of
the smart weapon systems research projects.

While I don't always agree with his positions today, I do admire him
as the most active and involved ex president ever.

Frank



DSK

He was a lousy pres, but is a great ex-pres.

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote:

Carter was a lot of things, many of which I disliked, but he wasn't a
puppet.

Yup, it's kind of funny outside of the USA, or more precisely, most of
the people I know quite liked Carter and think his Presidency was one of
the best!

Cheers
Marty

Damn right. He sure stopped smiling pretty quickly.

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www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:32:46 -0500, Martin Baxter said:

Yup, it's kind of funny outside of the USA, or more precisely, most of
the people I know quite liked Carter and think his Presidency was one of
the best!

Not too surprising. They didn't have to live through that disaster first
hand.

Me too.. and I'm a liberal.

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
about President Carter

katysails wrote:
His cabinet ....which he ahd to replace...over and over again...ok, so he
was a poor choice of character, but he kept making the same
mistake...I'll retract the puppet and replace it with naive...

I'd agree with that.

Partly being naive and partly his idealistic convictions.

It's great for people to be idealistic, don't get me wrong. But it's a
bummer to be consistently sideswiped by do-gooders... and I think the
whole country go tired of it.

DSK

Dave,

Don't you think that the Head Man should have a better idea of just how
many "are on board" and how the elected representative in the Gov. feel?
I get the feeling that Bush wants his way and be damn to those that
elected him; IF THEY DON"T AGREE!"

I hate "LAME DUCK" politicians.

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:32:46 -0500, Martin Baxter said:

Yup, it's kind of funny outside of the USA, or more precisely, most of
the people I know quite liked Carter and think his Presidency was one of
the best!

Not too surprising. They didn't have to live through that disaster first
hand.

I dunno. I sort of liked double-digit inflation and the devaluation of the
dollar abroad. Then again I like jock itch and toenail fungus too.

Max

"DSK" wrote
I disagree strongly. I don't think President Bush lies
deliberately at all. .....
One key point is that Bush *believes* what he's saying.....

Our positions are not necessarily mutualy exclusive. I've had the misfortune to
know a couple people like Bush personally. Again, if one asks most people a
simple question they will instinctively tell the truth unless that truth
threatens them. You or I could easily claim to have 120 ft crewed yachts
instead of my old catalina or your trawler but we do not. Some might argue that
our parents crippled us by instilling an instinctive honesty.

Pathological liars do not share that liability - the give answers they believe
best suit their own interests. It may even be true, or partly true, sometimes.
Then they convince themselves it is true, eventually loosing track of what is
real and what is not.

As you say, Bush could pass a lie detector test claiming that Saddam had WMDs he
was about to share with bin Ladin. That's what makes them different than garden
variety liars (Like Clinton and his BJ) and also so dangerous.