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Bob Crantz February 19th 06 07:59 PM

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Perry Design Review: Bavaria 38
Carefully detailed, sturdy cruiser with remarkable layout

1/1998
by Bob Perry
Sailing



Classic forms will not work on a 38-foot center-cockpit boat if you expect
the boat to compete with the interiors of current Euro-style models. There
are just no traditional models for this type of volumetric distribution.
Most of the Euro-styled models marketed in the United States push interior
volumes to new levels so that the interior of a modern 38 rivals the
interiors of older 45-footers. This requires careful manipulation of
aesthetic elements.

I think the J&J design group has done an excellent job with the look of this
basically chubby-proportioned boat. I say chubby because the beam is 13
feet, 1 inch on an LOA of 38 feet, 6 inches. This hull is not svelte by any
standard.

Side decks are modest but useable. The cabin trunk perimeter at the deck
usually governs sheeting angles because it limits chainplate and jib-track
placement. In this case the sheeting angle to the chainplates is almost 16
degrees. I try for 12.5 to 13 degrees on most designs to ensure tight
sheeting of genoas. Of course for a pure cruising boat of corpulent
proportions, tight sheeting angles might be unimportant.

The toughest part of this type of deck design is incorporating a cockpit
that does not resemble a hot tub in its dimensions. Any divot that the
cockpit takes out of the cabintrunk will be a direct reduction of useable
volume below. The Bavaria 38 cockpit avoids this pitfall and shows a
relatively roomy cockpit with angles and faceted seat backs. While the seats
appear narrow, they are long enough to stretch out on for a nap. All in all
it's a well-proportioned cabintrunk that belies the volume contained. Note
the fixed windshield and recessed bow well for chain and rode.

The photos of the Bavaria's interior show beautifully detailed joinerwork
with solid wood trim and veneered surfaces. The layout is remarkable for a
boat this size. There are accommodations for two couples with the forward
V-berth converting to a double berth with the addition of a filler piece.
Nothing seems undersized below. There is a head with adjoining shower stall
that would do justice to a much larger boat.

A distinct advantage of the center-cockpit configuration is the ability to
create a separate engine room under the cockpit. This gives excellent access
to the machinery. The galley, while not huge, is generous in size and
features many drawers and lockers.

The rig is unusual: an almost-masthead fractional rig. I'm not sure what the
advantage is with this minimal offset. Why not just go to a straight
masthead arrangement? The mainsheet traveler can be aft of the cockpit and
at the end of the boom in this center-cockpit layout. This is far better
than the usual midboom sheeting we see today. The SA/D is 17.8.

The keel and rudder look as though they were designed for performance. Two
keels are available: a deep draft of 6 feet 4 inches; and a shoal draft of 5
feet 1 inch. The D/L is 215.

Structurally the Bavaria complies with Germanischer Lloyds requirements.
There is even a Kevlar layer in the bow to enhance the impact resistance of
the hull shell forward.

The Bavaria appears to be a carefully detailed design that will appeal to
families looking for a comfortable and strong cruising boat with far better
than average accommodations.

Carefully detailed, sturdy cruiser with remarkable layout.
LOA 38'6"
LWL 32'7"
Beam 13'1"
Draft 6'5" (deep draft), 5'1" (shoal draft)
Displacement 16,537.5 lbs.
Ballast 6,394.5 lbs.
Sail Area 722.15 sq. ft.
SA/D 17.8
D/L 215
L/B 2.94
Auxiliary Volvo Penta MD22L 50-horsepower diesel
Fuel 58.08 gals.
Water 102.96 gals.


Wow! And this interior didn't win any awards?????

http://www.abavela.com/boats/bavaria38/bav38_salon.jpg

This is a real swim platform:



http://www.nautic-tours.de/Schiffe/B...a38Match-b.gif

http://www.anchorlift.com/web/pictur...Bavaria_38.jpg



The head is so large one can fart and hear the echo!



http://www.charterlink.co.nz/boats/P...0head%20lr.jpg



http://www.dalmatiancoast.com/holida...1050/38-wc.JPG



Three cabins!

Three cabins!!!!!

True luxury!!!

For just dollars more than a 35s5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



What was Robbie thinking?????????



Amen!









Maxprop February 19th 06 11:29 PM

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...


For just dollars more than a 35s5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



What was Robbie thinking?????????


He was thinking that sooner or later the kid would destroy the big-screen TV
and he'd have to put in a megabuck front projection unit, thus leaving too
little money to buy a really fine yacht, like Ozzy's new Bavaria.

Max



Capt. Rob February 19th 06 11:54 PM

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He was thinking that sooner or later the kid would destroy the
big-screen TV
and he'd have to put in a megabuck front projection unit


Hey, that's exactly what I was gonna post! Well, one thing's for sure.
Ozzy and I both have nicer boats than Bob Crantz!
But which Bavaria 38 did Ozzy buy?


RB
35s5
NY


Capt.Mooron February 20th 06 01:24 PM

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OzOne wrote in message
Not the one Bob showed.
Mine has a normal aft cockpit and the galley is U shaped just port of
the companionway steps.
It would also be the Exclusive....best of everything incl SS plow and
chain, instrument pack, cabin heater etc etc etc....


Heh Ozone..... it's good to see Bob considers your Bavaria as comparable to
his 35s5. Please don't point out that your Bavaria has real wood inside...
Bobsprit is a little touchy since he found out that was imitation woodgrain
imprinted shelf liner on his boat. I've tried to tell him not to worry... he
still has the "honeycombed" bulkheads and swimplatform to ride on.

Good to see you back.

CM



Joe February 20th 06 01:34 PM

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Hey OZ are you sure that anchor is not CHROME...


Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

Joe


Capt. Rob February 20th 06 03:00 PM

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Bavaria has real wood inside...
Bobsprit is a little touchy since he found out that was imitation
woodgrain
imprinted shelf liner on his boat. I've tried to tell him not to
worry... he
still has the "honeycombed" bulkheads and swimplatform to ride on.


BTW, I see that the Bavaria 38 is yet another boat with a 3 cabin
charter verson. Guess what? No room for me to sleep yet again. Still
worse, the boat is expensive. What did Ozzy pay? He said less than
100K, which still sounds like a Express 30 more worth!
I do like the Bavaria boats, but we couldn't do anything over 37 feet
due to our slip constraints. I'll say one thing, it's not very fast for
it's size compared to a First 36.7. Then again Ozzy makes money with
his boats so that's not a concern. Anyway...that Bavaria's swim
platform makes her a 35 footer, right?

RB
35s5
NY


Bob Crantz February 20th 06 07:46 PM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
He was thinking that sooner or later the kid would destroy the
big-screen TV
and he'd have to put in a megabuck front projection unit


Hey, that's exactly what I was gonna post! Well, one thing's for sure.
Ozzy and I both have nicer boats than Bob Crantz!



That's debatable.


But which Bavaria 38 did Ozzy buy?


RB
35s5
NY




Capt.Mooron February 20th 06 07:56 PM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Bavaria has real wood inside...
Bobsprit is a little touchy since he found out that was imitation
woodgrain
imprinted shelf liner on his boat. I've tried to tell him not to
worry... he
still has the "honeycombed" bulkheads and swimplatform to ride on.


BTW, I see that the Bavaria 38 is yet another boat with a 3 cabin
charter verson. Guess what? No room for me to sleep yet again. Still
worse, the boat is expensive. What did Ozzy pay? He said less than
100K, which still sounds like a Express 30 more worth!
I do like the Bavaria boats, but we couldn't do anything over 37 feet
due to our slip constraints. I'll say one thing, it's not very fast for
it's size compared to a First 36.7. Then again Ozzy makes money with
his boats so that's not a concern. Anyway...that Bavaria's swim
platform makes her a 35 footer, right?


Man I'd love to see a comparison of the crew condition/moral between a 35s5
and a Bavaria after a Trans Pacific. I bet the crew on the 35s5 wouldn't be
anywhere near as beat due to the ease of cleaning the interior. What was
Ozone thinking??? He'll be elbow deep in wood work for the next 5
years.!!!???

CM



Lloyd Bonafide February 20th 06 08:09 PM

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ahahahahahahahahahaaahaaaahaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaa!!!! !

What a **** poor short reign RB had on the "best boat". In fact, he didn't
even get it into the water before being easily outdone. Let's see:

RB's boat : sits in storage

Ozzie's 38 : sailing across the Pacific.

RB is the tidy bowl sailor for sure!

aahahaaaahaaaaahaaahaaaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaahaahaaaa!! !

Ozzies boat has more miles under the keel in the month after he purchases it
than RB's boat will have for the duration of his ownership!!!!


aaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaha aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaahahahahaahahahahaaaaaaaaa aaa!!!!!!!


Lloyd Bonafide



Capt.Mooron February 20th 06 08:29 PM

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I'm confident that Bobsprit will eventually leave the confines of his bay by
boat.....

Dollars to Doughnuts.. it's a Cruise Ship!

Bobsprit will then have a revelation... that he is indeed a Power Boater!!

He'll sell the 35s5 and buy a Nordhaven Trawler!

CM


"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...
ahahahahahahahahahaaahaaaahaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaa!!!! !

What a **** poor short reign RB had on the "best boat". In fact, he didn't
even get it into the water before being easily outdone. Let's see:

RB's boat : sits in storage

Ozzie's 38 : sailing across the Pacific.

RB is the tidy bowl sailor for sure!

aahahaaaahaaaaahaaahaaaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaahaahaaaa!! !

Ozzies boat has more miles under the keel in the month after he purchases
it than RB's boat will have for the duration of his ownership!!!!


aaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaha aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaahahahahaahahahahaaaaaaaaa aaa!!!!!!!


Lloyd Bonafide





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