Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

A real sailor's view of the French boat.

Of course every boat show has its requisite pod of Beneteaus, 8 of them
accessible from a single stairway where the marketing people put the
big "B" sticker on your chest as you give them your e-mail address.
The boats were the way they always are; full of headroom and furniture
with shiny sprayed on varnish, with mid-level hardware, undersized
rigs, the ever-annoying Bennie glue-on headliners, and undersized rigs.
Most Beneteaus excel at being throwaway cruisers, taking reasonable
care of their inhabitants for a handful of good years. They do almost
everything reasonably. Having spent over 10,000 miles on Bennies of
various sizes, they **** you off too, but not like when Bavaria keel
bolts fail or anything like that. It's more like "this water system
must have been designed by a blind child with dyslexia" or "I love
having to use an angle grinder and dust mask to be able to get at a
bolt that will tighten this stanchion up." There was a nice sign at
the entrance to the stern of the 36.7 advertising that something like
50 boats were in the Great Lakes OD fleets already. You have to give
props to that kind of growth for a boat that is just not that
interesting. And that traveller looks like just the thing to take a
chunk out of the shins every race. Brilliant. Hey, at least it's
cheap and slow. The most interesting part of the Beneteau displays is
the people who spend their time on them, especially the really cruise
center cockpit boats. If these center cockpit boats bring more people
out on the water, I'm all for them, as long as I don't have to sail
with those people. When I first came back to the US after years
working on boats in the Med and Caribbean, I discovered that non-racers
in the US think Beneteaus are exotic boats that guarantee awesome
performance and prestige. They don't realize that just because
something is French or has a big swim platform doesn't mean it's
exotic, and that Renault is a French company too. You know what? I
just realized that Americans think Renaults are exotic and prestigious
as well.

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

Fags like Rob buy them

That says it all.

He's given them an even worse name.

Lloyd


"Ringmaster" wrote in message
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A real sailor's view of the French boat.

Of course every boat show has its requisite pod of Beneteaus, 8 of them
accessible from a single stairway where the marketing people put the
big "B" sticker on your chest as you give them your e-mail address.
The boats were the way they always are; full of headroom and furniture
with shiny sprayed on varnish, with mid-level hardware, undersized
rigs, the ever-annoying Bennie glue-on headliners, and undersized rigs.
Most Beneteaus excel at being throwaway cruisers, taking reasonable
care of their inhabitants for a handful of good years. They do almost
everything reasonably. Having spent over 10,000 miles on Bennies of
various sizes, they **** you off too, but not like when Bavaria keel
bolts fail or anything like that. It's more like "this water system
must have been designed by a blind child with dyslexia" or "I love
having to use an angle grinder and dust mask to be able to get at a
bolt that will tighten this stanchion up." There was a nice sign at
the entrance to the stern of the 36.7 advertising that something like
50 boats were in the Great Lakes OD fleets already. You have to give
props to that kind of growth for a boat that is just not that
interesting. And that traveller looks like just the thing to take a
chunk out of the shins every race. Brilliant. Hey, at least it's
cheap and slow. The most interesting part of the Beneteau displays is
the people who spend their time on them, especially the really cruise
center cockpit boats. If these center cockpit boats bring more people
out on the water, I'm all for them, as long as I don't have to sail
with those people. When I first came back to the US after years
working on boats in the Med and Caribbean, I discovered that non-racers
in the US think Beneteaus are exotic boats that guarantee awesome
performance and prestige. They don't realize that just because
something is French or has a big swim platform doesn't mean it's
exotic, and that Renault is a French company too. You know what? I
just realized that Americans think Renaults are exotic and prestigious
as well.

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

hey where did you find this gem?

Ringmaster wrote:
A real sailor's view of the French boat.

Of course every boat show has its requisite pod of Beneteaus, 8 of them
accessible from a single stairway where the marketing people put the
big "B" sticker on your chest as you give them your e-mail address.

Sure. It's the mass marketing machine at work.

The boats were the way they always are; full of headroom and furniture
with shiny sprayed on varnish, with mid-level hardware, undersized
rigs, the ever-annoying Bennie glue-on headliners, and undersized rigs.
Most Beneteaus excel at being throwaway cruisers, taking reasonable
care of their inhabitants for a handful of good years. They do almost
everything reasonably.

They're a mass-produced boat. The idea is to not excel at
any one thing but be satisfactory at many things, chiefly to
look glossy at boat shows & not attract too much bad
publicity with sinkings ;)


... Having spent over 10,000 miles on Bennies of
various sizes, they **** you off too, but not like when Bavaria keel
bolts fail or anything like that. It's more like "this water system
must have been designed by a blind child with dyslexia" or "I love
having to use an angle grinder and dust mask to be able to get at a
bolt that will tighten this stanchion up."

What do you expect on a mass produced boat?

... There was a nice sign at
the entrance to the stern of the 36.7 advertising that something like
50 boats were in the Great Lakes OD fleets already. You have to give
props to that kind of growth for a boat that is just not that
interesting. And that traveller looks like just the thing to take a
chunk out of the shins every race. Brilliant. Hey, at least it's
cheap and slow.

???

Now here the guy is way off base. The Ben 36.7 is neither
cheap nor slow. It's not a multi or a sportboat sure, but
it's a heck of a lot faster than almost any other 36 footer
with it's cabin space, including many of the custom jobs.


... The most interesting part of the Beneteau displays is
the people who spend their time on them, especially the really cruise
center cockpit boats. If these center cockpit boats bring more people
out on the water, I'm all for them, as long as I don't have to sail
with those people.

Snob.

... When I first came back to the US after years
working on boats in the Med and Caribbean, I discovered that non-racers
in the US think Beneteaus are exotic boats that guarantee awesome
performance and prestige. They don't realize that just because
something is French or has a big swim platform doesn't mean it's
exotic, and that Renault is a French company too. You know what? I
just realized that Americans think Renaults are exotic and prestigious
as well.


Compared to Simca, a Renault is not only exotic &
prestigious, it's big & comfy too. ;)

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

If these center cockpit boats bring more people
out on the water, I'm all for them, as long as I don't have to sail
with those people.


What an unpleasant and bitter sounding fellow. I see he's not credited
in any way and of course this has nothing at all to do with the 35s5
which garnered positive reviews from nearly everyone. Then again I've
never heard anyone claim that the 36.7 wasn't a blast to sail either.
Loco sure knows boats!

RB
35s5
NY

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

Rob owns no boat.


"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...
Fags like Rob buy them

That says it all.

He's given them an even worse name.

Lloyd


"Ringmaster" wrote in message

oups.com..
..
A real sailor's view of the French boat.

Of course every boat show has its requisite pod of
Beneteaus, 8 of them
accessible from a single stairway where the marketing
people put the
big "B" sticker on your chest as you give them your
e-mail address.
The boats were the way they always are; full of headroom
and furniture
with shiny sprayed on varnish, with mid-level hardware,
undersized
rigs, the ever-annoying Bennie glue-on headliners, and
undersized rigs.
Most Beneteaus excel at being throwaway cruisers, taking
reasonable
care of their inhabitants for a handful of good years.
They do almost
everything reasonably. Having spent over 10,000 miles
on Bennies of
various sizes, they **** you off too, but not like when
Bavaria keel
bolts fail or anything like that. It's more like "this
water system
must have been designed by a blind child with dyslexia"
or "I love
having to use an angle grinder and dust mask to be able
to get at a
bolt that will tighten this stanchion up." There was a
nice sign at
the entrance to the stern of the 36.7 advertising that
something like
50 boats were in the Great Lakes OD fleets already. You
have to give
props to that kind of growth for a boat that is just not
that
interesting. And that traveller looks like just the
thing to take a
chunk out of the shins every race. Brilliant. Hey, at
least it's
cheap and slow. The most interesting part of the
Beneteau displays is
the people who spend their time on them, especially the
really cruise
center cockpit boats. If these center cockpit boats
bring more people
out on the water, I'm all for them, as long as I don't
have to sail
with those people. When I first came back to the US
after years
working on boats in the Med and Caribbean, I discovered
that non-racers
in the US think Beneteaus are exotic boats that
guarantee awesome
performance and prestige. They don't realize that just
because
something is French or has a big swim platform doesn't
mean it's
exotic, and that Renault is a French company too. You
know what? I
just realized that Americans think Renaults are exotic
and prestigious
as well.

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

... When I first came back to the US after years
working on boats in the Med and Caribbean, I discovered that non-racers
in the US think Beneteaus are exotic boats that guarantee awesome
performance and prestige. They don't realize that just because
something is French or has a big swim platform doesn't mean it's
exotic, and that Renault is a French company too. You know what? I
just realized that Americans think Renaults are exotic and prestigious
as well.



He's wrong.

Amongst this group of sailors there is only one fool.

Amen!

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

F**k the French.


--
Albert Frankenstein


"Ringmaster" wrote in message
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A real sailor's view of the French boat.

any positive words written about the French righteously snipped

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

Amongst this group of sailors there is only one fool.


The guy with a trawler, yes, we know.


RB
35s5
NY

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

On 13 Feb 2006 08:19:47 -0800, "Ringmaster" wrote:

If these center cockpit boats bring more people
out on the water, I'm all for them, as long as I don't have to sail
with those people. .......


I've got to confess, the times that I've done bareboat charters, I've
always gone for the center cockpits.

Frank

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

.... If these center cockpit boats bring more people
out on the water, I'm all for them, as long as I don't have to sail
with those people. .......


I dunno, I've never subscribed to the "more is better"
theory with regard to people.


Frank Boettcher wrote:
I've got to confess, the times that I've done bareboat charters, I've
always gone for the center cockpits.


We've chartered a couple of CC boats. It's different. I
personally don't care much for their looks or their handling
unless they're at least 45 feet, although there are a few
pretty cool smaller ones.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

We've chartered a couple of CC boats. It's different. I
personally don't care much for their looks or their handling
unless they're at least 45 feet, although there are a few
pretty cool smaller ones.


S2 made a smallish CC boat that actually sailed surprisingly well.

RB
35s5
NY

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

We've chartered a couple of CC boats. It's different. I
personally don't care much for their looks or their handling
unless they're at least 45 feet, although there are a few
pretty cool smaller ones.


Capt. Rob wrote:
S2 made a smallish CC boat that actually sailed surprisingly well.


S2 made a couple of them, actually. Gee you sure know your
boats!

DSK

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
.... If these center cockpit boats bring more people
out on the water, I'm all for them, as long as I don't have to sail
with those people. .......


I dunno, I've never subscribed to the "more is better" theory with regard
to people.


Frank Boettcher wrote:
I've got to confess, the times that I've done bareboat charters, I've
always gone for the center cockpits.


We've chartered a couple of CC boats. It's different. I personally don't
care much for their looks or their handling unless they're at least 45
feet, although there are a few pretty cool smaller ones.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...31781966CEtrUK

Spent a week on this Moody 38 CC. Thought it was a pig to weather, would
have to try one without the inmast furling to properly evaluate it. That
being said, the aft cabin was pretty nice, a real aft cabin AND it had a
pilot berth between the aft cabin and main salon.

John Cairns

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John Cairns wrote:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...31781966CEtrUK

Spent a week on this Moody 38 CC. Thought it was a pig to weather, would
have to try one without the inmast furling to properly evaluate it. That
being said, the aft cabin was pretty nice, a real aft cabin AND it had a
pilot berth between the aft cabin and main salon.

John Cairns


Moody gets most things right IMHO, but even a CC with good
sailing performance still doesn't feel the same. For one
thing, you're too far removed from the rudder & too high up.
Maybe it just feels that way to me from having spent so much
time on racing dinghies. There's a Moody 33 or 34 CC in our
marina that's a nice looking boat, seems to have at least
average sailing performance for a racer-cruiser.

Now I wonder why Bobsprit didn't mention the Moody series?
Or the Sirena which is actually pretty & fast? I wonder why
some people never have any trouble figuring out who the real
sailors in this bunch are... ;)

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
John Cairns wrote:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...31781966CEtrUK

Spent a week on this Moody 38 CC. Thought it was a pig to weather, would
have to try one without the inmast furling to properly evaluate it. That
being said, the aft cabin was pretty nice, a real aft cabin AND it had a
pilot berth between the aft cabin and main salon.

John Cairns

Moody gets most things right IMHO, but even a CC with good sailing
performance still doesn't feel the same. For one thing, you're too far
removed from the rudder & too high up. Maybe it just feels that way to me
from having spent so much time on racing dinghies. There's a Moody 33 or
34 CC in our marina that's a nice looking boat, seems to have at least
average sailing performance for a racer-cruiser.

Now I wonder why Bobsprit didn't mention the Moody series? Or the Sirena
which is actually pretty & fast? I wonder why some people never have any
trouble figuring out who the real sailors in this bunch are... ;)

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Gonna guess it's because he's never seen, much less sailed one :)

John Cairns

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Now I wonder why Bobsprit didn't mention the Moody series?
Or the Sirena which is actually pretty & fast?


Doug, you're such a putz. We looked at the Moody 36 CC and the sleeping
quarters were horrible. The 36 looks good under sail, but has too much
cabin trunk height for it's LOA., like most.
Doug, when it comes to boats, my mind contains yours at this point.
Thursday I'm doing a broker survey on a Shannon 38. Every sail one of
those, Doug? I have. Go power your trawler somewhere like a good little
ex-sailor.


Bwahahahahahahahahahhahaa!


RB
35s5
NY

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

Of course sloco shows us his ass yet again. The 36.7 offers a nearly
unbeatable combo of speed and cruising comforts. The interior is not
high quality like mine, but it's faster to be sure.
Loco sure knows boats!

LOL........................ Hey dimwit, I didn't write the review.

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
.... If these center cockpit boats bring more people
out on the water, I'm all for them, as long as I don't have to sail
with those people. .......


I dunno, I've never subscribed to the "more is better" theory with regard
to people.


Frank Boettcher wrote:
I've got to confess, the times that I've done bareboat charters, I've
always gone for the center cockpits.


We've chartered a couple of CC boats. It's different. I personally don't
care much for their looks or their handling unless they're at least 45
feet, although there are a few pretty cool smaller ones.

My biggest complaint with CC boats is that they can be very wet unless one
has a very protective dodger with side curtains. Sitting that far forward
over the hull insures getting spray in the face when working to weather in
larger waves..

Max

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
We've chartered a couple of CC boats. It's different. I
personally don't care much for their looks or their handling
unless they're at least 45 feet, although there are a few
pretty cool smaller ones.


S2 made a smallish CC boat that actually sailed surprisingly well.

And it was so futt buckin' ugly that anyone with anything resembling
aesthetic sensibilities would be offended just walking by it on the dock.

Max

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

Spent a week on this Moody 38 CC. Thought it was a pig to weather, would
have to try one without the inmast furling to properly evaluate it. That
being said, the aft cabin was pretty nice, a real aft cabin AND it had a
pilot berth between the aft cabin and main salon.

Sorry to hear about its windward capability. That boat is high on our list
of replacements for our current vessel. They certainly look beautiful, and
well-made. Guess I'd better sail one before spending much time wanting one.

Max

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My biggest complaint with CC boats is that they can be very wet

Yeah, especially on their undersides!

--
Albert Frankenstein


"Maxprop" wrote in message
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snipped for brevity

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"Ringmaster" wrote in message
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Of course sloco shows us his ass yet again. The 36.7 offers a nearly
unbeatable combo of speed and cruising comforts. The interior is not
high quality like mine, but it's faster to be sure.
Loco sure knows boats!

LOL........................ Hey dimwit, I didn't write the review.

Shhhh. You'll only confuse him.

Max

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

And it was so futt buckin' ugly that anyone with anything resembling
aesthetic sensibilities would be offended just walking by it on the
dock.


True, it was ugly, but Sloco already owns an ugly boat with a bad
interior, so what's one more?


RB
35s5
NY

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You didn't attribute it to anyone else, ring-a-round. You did endorse
it by
posting it, though.


Yup...and he also thought the Pearson 30 was 30 feet long. Sloco also
things the Catalina 350 is HUGE!!!!

Bwahahahahahahaha!


RB
35s5
NY

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

Maxprop wrote:
My biggest complaint with CC boats is that they can be very wet unless one
has a very protective dodger with side curtains. Sitting that far forward
over the hull insures getting spray in the face when working to weather in
larger waves..


Once they get up to LOA over about 45 feet, that's not a
problem.

If you're thinking of a boat like the Moody 38CC, consider
an Oyster instead.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

Yeah, especially on their undersides!


What an idiot...and worse...not even funny.

RB
35s5
NY

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:37:15 -0500, DSK wrote:

.... If these center cockpit boats bring more people
out on the water, I'm all for them, as long as I don't have to sail
with those people. .......


I dunno, I've never subscribed to the "more is better"
theory with regard to people.


Frank Boettcher wrote:
I've got to confess, the times that I've done bareboat charters, I've
always gone for the center cockpits.


We've chartered a couple of CC boats. It's different. I
personally don't care much for their looks or their handling
unless they're at least 45 feet, although there are a few
pretty cool smaller ones.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Something about the short CC boats that look fat, top heavy and
awkward. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I always liked the
look of the Endeavour 42 CC.

I chartered a Hunter Passage 42 CC and was actually surprised at how
well it sailed. I expected much less.

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

Something about the short CC boats that look fat, top heavy and
awkward. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I always liked the
look of the Endeavour 42 CC.



This guy is a frikin idiot.



RB
35s5
NY

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

On 14 Feb 2006 08:57:24 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Something about the short CC boats that look fat, top heavy and
awkward. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I always liked the
look of the Endeavour 42 CC.



This guy is a frikin idiot.



RB
35s5
NY


Regularly boobsprit drifts into areas he is mentally ill equipped to
be in and makes certain claims. Historically, in the admittedly few
times where my knowledge is greater than the average of the group, or
by virtue of personal experience I am the highest knowledge holder in
an area, I've challeneged his ridiculous assertions. For the most
part, those challenges have been ignored. I can only assume he is a
busted liar when that happens.

Yet he seems to have no qualms about belittling my opinions or
personal preferences where no claims are made. He can't seem to
distinguish the difference.

What a sad, pathetic little man.

Frank

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

Yet he seems to have no qualms about belittling my opinions


What opinions? That CC boats under 45 feet look fat? Do masts also look
tall to you? What about razors...sharp? You have nothing new or
enlightening to offer here and everyone knows it. What boat do you
sail, Frank? Do you even OWN a boat????

Puhlease!


RB
35s5
NY

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

Spent a week on this Moody 38 CC. Thought it was a pig to weather, would
have to try one without the inmast furling to properly evaluate it. That
being said, the aft cabin was pretty nice, a real aft cabin AND it had a
pilot berth between the aft cabin and main salon.

Sorry to hear about its windward capability. That boat is high on our
list of replacements for our current vessel. They certainly look
beautiful, and well-made. Guess I'd better sail one before spending much
time wanting one.

Max

I would try to get a model without the in mast for a test sail then, with
the layout it really is a nice cruiser. It is fairly wet upwind also, needs
a dodger.

John Cairns

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

On 14 Feb 2006 14:21:05 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

What boat do you
sail, Frank? Do you even OWN a boat????

Puhlease!


RB
35s5
NY


Well, since the answers to those questions, my sailing history and
past and current ownership, have been answered often and fairly
recently what could it be:

Boobsprit is an arrogant SOB who only reads those that post to his
trolls?

Boobsprit is suffering from ADD or possibly dumb as a post and can't
focus or remember anything?

Boobsprit has just tossed out another bait to see if I will get
defensive and defend my sailing resume?

Think I'll go with all of the above.

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

Spent a week on this Moody 38 CC. Thought it was a pig to weather, would
have to try one without the inmast furling to properly evaluate it. That
being said, the aft cabin was pretty nice, a real aft cabin AND it had a
pilot berth between the aft cabin and main salon.

Sorry to hear about its windward capability. That boat is high on our
list of replacements for our current vessel. They certainly look
beautiful, and well-made. Guess I'd better sail one before spending much
time wanting one.

Max

I would try to get a model without the in mast for a test sail then, with
the layout it really is a nice cruiser. It is fairly wet upwind also,
needs a dodger.

A cordial youngish couple pulled into our marina on one in August of '04.
Flag blue hull and everything shining like new. It had a rather tall
dodger, and they claimed it kept them dry and comfortable. I don't recall
if theirs had in-mast RF, but I'd never opt for that. But that boat got me
wishing I could find a nice, recent example. We'll definitely do a sail
trial before signing anything. I may not have to worry, however--there are
very few of them stateside.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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You didn't attribute it to anyone else, ring-a-round. You did endorse
it by
posting it, though.


Yup...and he also thought the Pearson 30 was 30 feet long. Sloco also
things the Catalina 350 is HUGE!!!!

For 35' LOA, it is fairly voluminous below, and the cockpit is big enough
for some limited entertaining. Is your 35s5 as large below?

Max

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:
My biggest complaint with CC boats is that they can be very wet unless
one has a very protective dodger with side curtains. Sitting that far
forward over the hull insures getting spray in the face when working to
weather in larger waves..


Once they get up to LOA over about 45 feet, that's not a problem.

If you're thinking of a boat like the Moody 38CC, consider an Oyster
instead.

I love Oysters, but I'm not aware that they have anything in the 38' range,
at least nothing recent. Further, they generally cost more than Moodys.

Guess I should qualify my statement: we've been looking at boats in the
40-45' range, and after spending some time on several examples in that size
range (Moorings 445, Saga 43, Catalina 42, Hunter 410, others) we've decided
that 38' doesn't give up much in interior volume, nor in average hull speed
over a typical 150-200 mile day. It does make maneuvering in close
quarters, and finding slips, easier. And they generally cost less than
boats of comparable quality over 40'. The Moody is one of the few
higher-quality boats in that size.

Max

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...

Something about the short CC boats that look fat, top heavy and
awkward.

That's always been my take as well. One of the better-looking shorter CC
boats was S2's 35' Graham & Schlageter designed hull with a cruising CC deck
arrangement. And they were ultra fast downwind. Beyond that, I've never
though boats below about 44' looked good with CCs.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Something about the short CC boats that look fat, top heavy and
awkward. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I always liked the
look of the Endeavour 42 CC.



This guy is a frikin idiot.

Let me get this straight--this guy's an idiot because he expressed an
opinion, and it differs from your own?????

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Yet he seems to have no qualms about belittling my opinions


What opinions? That CC boats under 45 feet look fat?

Sure sounds like an opinion to moi.

Do masts also look
tall to you? What about razors...sharp?

How do these analogies relate to his opinion about boats appearing fat? I
doubt if it's universally accepted that CC boats under 45' look "fat." To
the contrary, shorter CC boats have sold well over the years. S2 built a
bunch of 'em, so did Beneteau, Irwin, Morgan, and others. And obviously
some people thought they were attractive.

You have nothing new or
enlightening to offer here and everyone knows it. What boat do you
sail, Frank? Do you even OWN a boat????

Some have been posing the same questions to you, IIRC.

Max

Beneteau - a sailor/reviewer's thoughts
 

See what I was talking about?

--
"Swab Rob" the girly sailor....


Doug, you're such a putz. We looked at the Moody 36 CC and
the sleeping
quarters were horrible.