Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

You decide:

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Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:27:19 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

You decide:

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As with Irac, he is probably right but not for the stated reasons.

The biggest threat to the United States is the disruption of the flow
of energy from producing regions to the U. S. That would result in
utter chaos, mass unemployment and a depression that would make '29
look like a picnic.

If Iran is the highest and most imminent possibility of that happening
then it is the biggest threat to the U. S.

That is what Irac was all about, not WMD's. When they invaded Kuwait,
it was the first step in complete domination of the region to get
control of the energy resources. That was still S. H.'s goal prior
to the second war.

It all has to do with what may be a futile attempt to stabilize the
energy markets and avoid the catastrophic outcomes in the U. S.that
would occur if the spigot is turned off.

It is never pitched this way because the voting public does not have
enough understanding of macro economics to be comfortable with it. So
it gets pitched as a more understandable threat.

IMHO

Frank

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

Isn't almost all of Iran's income from oil?

Isn't it in their best interest to promote demand for oil?

Is the threat that they will blow themselves up and diminish the oil supply?

Did oil dollars pay for their atomic development program?

Iran has invaded/attacked less countries than France.

France has atomic weapons.

What is the actual source/cause of the danger/threat?

Amen!

"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:27:19 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

You decide:

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...i?ArtNum=19036



As with Irac, he is probably right but not for the stated reasons.

The biggest threat to the United States is the disruption of the flow
of energy from producing regions to the U. S. That would result in
utter chaos, mass unemployment and a depression that would make '29
look like a picnic.

If Iran is the highest and most imminent possibility of that happening
then it is the biggest threat to the U. S.

That is what Irac was all about, not WMD's. When they invaded Kuwait,
it was the first step in complete domination of the region to get
control of the energy resources. That was still S. H.'s goal prior
to the second war.

It all has to do with what may be a futile attempt to stabilize the
energy markets and avoid the catastrophic outcomes in the U. S.that
would occur if the spigot is turned off.

It is never pitched this way because the voting public does not have
enough understanding of macro economics to be comfortable with it. So
it gets pitched as a more understandable threat.

IMHO

Frank

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:45:09 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

Isn't almost all of Iran's income from oil?

Probably, but I'm talking about the region, Kuwait, SA....

Isn't it in their best interest to promote demand for oil?

Yes, if you are talking about free enterprise. We are not talking
about that in this region. We are talking about keeping the energy
spigots out of the hands of dictators and "religious" fanatics who
might use it to "bring down the infidels" and prop up their own power
position. The people who might have interest in using the oil for
their benefit will not get to vote on that.

Is the threat that they will blow themselves up and diminish the oil supply?

No, that they will create a destablized market. Top dictator has the
spigot. Demand is still there within countries that are not
considered the "top infidel"

Did oil dollars pay for their atomic development program?

Probably.

Iran has invaded/attacked less countries than France.

France has atomic weapons.

France doesn't have energy.

What is the actual source/cause of the danger/threat?

If you live in the U. S. and you are sitting in the dark, cold and
hungry without a job, your neighbor becomes the threat. That
situation can be created by destabilization of the energy markets.

IMHO

Frank

Amen!

"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:27:19 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

You decide:

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...i?ArtNum=19036



As with Irac, he is probably right but not for the stated reasons.

The biggest threat to the United States is the disruption of the flow
of energy from producing regions to the U. S. That would result in
utter chaos, mass unemployment and a depression that would make '29
look like a picnic.

If Iran is the highest and most imminent possibility of that happening
then it is the biggest threat to the U. S.

That is what Irac was all about, not WMD's. When they invaded Kuwait,
it was the first step in complete domination of the region to get
control of the energy resources. That was still S. H.'s goal prior
to the second war.

It all has to do with what may be a futile attempt to stabilize the
energy markets and avoid the catastrophic outcomes in the U. S.that
would occur if the spigot is turned off.

It is never pitched this way because the voting public does not have
enough understanding of macro economics to be comfortable with it. So
it gets pitched as a more understandable threat.

IMHO

Frank

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:45:09 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

Isn't almost all of Iran's income from oil?

Probably, but I'm talking about the region, Kuwait, SA....

Isn't it in their best interest to promote demand for oil?

Yes, if you are talking about free enterprise. We are not talking
about that in this region. We are talking about keeping the energy
spigots out of the hands of dictators and "religious" fanatics who
might use it to "bring down the infidels" and prop up their own power
position. The people who might have interest in using the oil for
their benefit will not get to vote on that.


Religious fanatics are a serious threat.

They cannot be bribed with riches.

Same for people of strong moral convictions, except they do not want to go
out an kill infidels.


Is the threat that they will blow themselves up and diminish the oil
supply?

No, that they will create a destablized market. Top dictator has the
spigot. Demand is still there within countries that are not
considered the "top infidel"


If someone offered a free energy device that would destabilize the market
also.

What is really at risk here is the current American way of life.



Did oil dollars pay for their atomic development program?

Probably.

Iran has invaded/attacked less countries than France.

France has atomic weapons.

France doesn't have energy.

France has atomic reactors supplying most of its electricity.



What is the actual source/cause of the danger/threat?

If you live in the U. S. and you are sitting in the dark, cold and
hungry without a job, your neighbor becomes the threat.

No, if your neighbor is sitting in the cold and dark, then he is a threat.

The disaffected peoples of the Mid East are sitting in the cold and dark.

If they can be supplied with elements of the American way of life they will
become fat and happy and no longer will the region be a breeding ground for
terrorists.

Or, they can be made to realize they are thin and unhappy because of their
repressive governments and should overthrow them.

Send them small, covert satellite television receivers!

Amen!


That
situation can be created by destabilization of the energy markets.

IMHO

Frank

Amen!

"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:27:19 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

You decide:

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...i?ArtNum=19036



As with Irac, he is probably right but not for the stated reasons.

The biggest threat to the United States is the disruption of the flow
of energy from producing regions to the U. S. That would result in
utter chaos, mass unemployment and a depression that would make '29
look like a picnic.

If Iran is the highest and most imminent possibility of that happening
then it is the biggest threat to the U. S.

That is what Irac was all about, not WMD's. When they invaded Kuwait,
it was the first step in complete domination of the region to get
control of the energy resources. That was still S. H.'s goal prior
to the second war.

It all has to do with what may be a futile attempt to stabilize the
energy markets and avoid the catastrophic outcomes in the U. S.that
would occur if the spigot is turned off.

It is never pitched this way because the voting public does not have
enough understanding of macro economics to be comfortable with it. So
it gets pitched as a more understandable threat.

IMHO

Frank

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

In article ,
Frank Boettcher wrote:
As with Irac, he is probably right but not for the stated reasons.

The biggest threat to the United States is the disruption of the flow
of energy from producing regions to the U. S. That would result in
utter chaos, mass unemployment and a depression that would make '29
look like a picnic.

If Iran is the highest and most imminent possibility of that happening
then it is the biggest threat to the U. S.

That is what Irac was all about, not WMD's. When they invaded Kuwait,
it was the first step in complete domination of the region to get
control of the energy resources. That was still S. H.'s goal prior
to the second war.

It all has to do with what may be a futile attempt to stabilize the
energy markets and avoid the catastrophic outcomes in the U. S.that
would occur if the spigot is turned off.

It is never pitched this way because the voting public does not have
enough understanding of macro economics to be comfortable with it. So
it gets pitched as a more understandable threat.

IMHO

In my view, the biggest threat to the US is Pakistan. They, through
their AQ Khan blackmarket retailer, sold dangerous stuff to Iran,
Libya, probably N. Korean, and possibly terrorists. We have yet to
fully understand what and to whom nuclear information and hardware was
sold. He would sell to anyone with cash. He and his buddies are living
in luxury outside of Islamabad.

--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

I think the biggest threat to the USA and freedom around the globe is
the muslim's

Again we wake up this morning to see video on CNN showing rampaging
Muslims around
the world. In Europe, the Middle East, the Pacific Rim ... Muslim Mobs
spreading mayhem. It seems that these mighty mad Muslims are rioting
and
firing their ever-present AK-47s into the air because of cartoons. Yup
....
this latest epidemic of Muslim outrage comes to us because some
newspapers
in Norway and Denmark published some cartoons depicting Mohammed. In
fact
.... here is one of my favorites!


Admit it, this turban/bomb thing is "just right" and could be the next
big
fashion hit on the Muslim street!


Muslim outrage huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just
some
lowlights:


- Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City.
No Muslim outrage.


- Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to
escape a
burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.


- Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to
school
in Indonesia. A Christian school.
No Muslim outrage.


- Muslims murder teachers in the new Iraq for trying to teach Muslim
children subjects other than memorizing the Koran..
No Muslim outrage.


- Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and
hotels in
Egypt.
No Muslim outrage.


- A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six
children under the age of twelve.
No Muslim outrage.


- Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan,
Russia.
Muslims shoot children in the back.
No Muslim outrage.


- Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich
Summer
Olympics.
No Muslim outrage.


- Muslims hijack a TWA flight and to enforce their demands they shoot
an
unarmed U.S. sailor passenger and throw his body out on the tarmac.
No outrage.


- Muslims hijack a cruise ship and push a wheelchair bound elderly
jewish
man into the sea .
No Muslin outrage.


- Muslims blow up a Pan Am flight over Scotland killing hundreds.
No outrage.


- Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children
in
Israel.
No Muslim outrage.


- Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways
and
busses. Over 700 are injured.
No Muslim outrage.


- Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder.
No Muslim outrage.


- Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali.
No Muslim outrage.


- Muslim newspapers publish anti-Christian and anti-Semitic cartoons.
No Muslim outrage


- Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one
of the
125+ shooting wars around the world.
No Muslim outrage.


- Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their
shoes,
then hang them from a bridge.
No Muslim outrage.


- Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish satirical cartoons depicting

Mohammed .
Muslims are outraged!


Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses.
Death,
destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no
Muslim
outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his

turban and all hell breaks loose.


Come on, is this really about cartoons? They're rampaging and burning
flags.
They're looking for Europeans to kidnap. They're threatening innkeepers
and
generally raising holy Muslim hell not because of any outrage over a
cartoon. They're outraged because it is a basic part of the Islamic
jihadist
culture to be outraged. If you are Muslim you don't really need a
reason.
You just need an excuse. Wandering around, destroying property,
murdering
children, firing guns into the air and feigning outrage over the
slightest
perceived insult is to a jihadist what tailgating is to a Steeler's
fan. (if
you are American or have American family/friends you will know what I'm

talking about)


I have heard again and again these bloodthirsty murderers do not
represent
the majority of the world's Muslims. That may be true. When though,
will
this vast number of "peaceful" Muslims become outraged at the behavior
of
the jihadists? When will they take to the streets to express their
outrage
at the radicals who are making their religion the object of worldwide
hatred
and ridicule? Islamic writer Salman Rushdie wrote of these silent
Muslims in
a New York Times article three years ago. "As their ancient, deeply
civilized culture of love, art and philosophical ref lection is
hijacked by
paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants, fanatics and
violence junkies, why are they not screaming?"


Indeed. Why not?


Could it be that large numbers of peaceful Muslims are themselves too
terrified of reprisals to speak up? Or could it be that the
radicalization
of Islamic culture is so far along that the silent Muslim majority
secretly
agrees with the jihadists but is unwilling to say so in public?


SB
35s5
NY

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Frank Boettcher wrote:
As with Irac, he is probably right but not for the stated reasons.

The biggest threat to the United States is the disruption of the flow
of energy from producing regions to the U. S. That would result in
utter chaos, mass unemployment and a depression that would make '29
look like a picnic.

If Iran is the highest and most imminent possibility of that happening
then it is the biggest threat to the U. S.

That is what Irac was all about, not WMD's. When they invaded Kuwait,
it was the first step in complete domination of the region to get
control of the energy resources. That was still S. H.'s goal prior
to the second war.

It all has to do with what may be a futile attempt to stabilize the
energy markets and avoid the catastrophic outcomes in the U. S.that
would occur if the spigot is turned off.

It is never pitched this way because the voting public does not have
enough understanding of macro economics to be comfortable with it. So
it gets pitched as a more understandable threat.

IMHO

In my view, the biggest threat to the US is Pakistan. They, through
their AQ Khan blackmarket retailer, sold dangerous stuff to Iran,
Libya, probably N. Korean, and possibly terrorists. We have yet to
fully understand what and to whom nuclear information and hardware was
sold. He would sell to anyone with cash. He and his buddies are living
in luxury outside of Islamabad.


I can't see how Pakistan is possibly a threat. After all, we're selling them
nuclear capable fighter jets.

Furthermore, they are a country that is very friendly, safe and open to
foriegners. Bin Laden has been living there for years, with a 50 million
dollar price on his head, in safety.

The strong military government maintains order.

They are so peace loving they even backed down moments from nuclear war with
their neighbor India.

I can't think of a closer friend, rather than threat, in the Middle East.

Amen!

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
In my view, the biggest threat to the US is Pakistan. They, through
their AQ Khan blackmarket retailer, sold dangerous stuff to Iran,
Libya, probably N. Korean, and possibly terrorists. We have yet to
fully understand what and to whom nuclear information and hardware was
sold. He would sell to anyone with cash. He and his buddies are living
in luxury outside of Islamabad.


I can't see how Pakistan is possibly a threat. After all, we're selling them
nuclear capable fighter jets.

Furthermore, they are a country that is very friendly, safe and open to
foriegners. Bin Laden has been living there for years, with a 50 million
dollar price on his head, in safety.

The strong military government maintains order.

They are so peace loving they even backed down moments from nuclear war with
their neighbor India.

I can't think of a closer friend, rather than threat, in the Middle East.

They're the best we can get.


--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

Isn't almost all of Iran's income from oil?
No - its from control of the stock market

Isn't it in their best interest to promote demand for oil?
Probably

Is the threat that they will blow themselves up and diminish the oil
supply?

Now you're just daydreaming. That would be the best thing for us. Even
a nuke would leave the place free and clear in 10 years

Did oil dollars pay for their atomic development program?
Probably not considering how much of the stock market that region
controls.

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

Isn't almost all of Iran's income from oil?
No - its from control of the stock market

Isn't it in their best interest to promote demand for oil?
Probably

Is the threat that they will blow themselves up and diminish the oil
supply?

Now you're just daydreaming. That would be the best thing for us. Even
a nuke would leave the place free and clear in 10 years

Did oil dollars pay for their atomic development program?
Probably not considering how much of the stock market that region
controls (about 43% acording to one report I read a while back).

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote
"Frank Boettcher" wrote

Yes, if you are talking about free enterprise. We are not talking
about that in this region. We are talking about keeping the energy
spigots out of the hands of dictators and "religious" fanatics who
might use it to "bring down the infidels" and prop up their own power
position. The people who might have interest in using the oil for
their benefit will not get to vote on that.


Religious fanatics are a serious threat.

A rogue bear wandering around your cabin is a threat unless you take the
initiative and shoot him. Sea Lions are threatening SoCal because the folks
there lack the gumption to thin them out. Iran, North Korea, et al are threats
for the same reason - most Americans lack the gumption to eliminate their
threat.

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

How about letting the religious fanatics from both sides go at it while the
rest of the world goes on with their lives?

Amen!



"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Bob Crantz" wrote
"Frank Boettcher" wrote

Yes, if you are talking about free enterprise. We are not talking
about that in this region. We are talking about keeping the energy
spigots out of the hands of dictators and "religious" fanatics who
might use it to "bring down the infidels" and prop up their own power
position. The people who might have interest in using the oil for
their benefit will not get to vote on that.


Religious fanatics are a serious threat.

A rogue bear wandering around your cabin is a threat unless you take the
initiative and shoot him. Sea Lions are threatening SoCal because the
folks
there lack the gumption to thin them out. Iran, North Korea, et al are
threats
for the same reason - most Americans lack the gumption to eliminate their
threat.

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

Which stock market do they control?

Wouldn't it be even more effective then to nuke the stock market to get at
the Iranians?

Amen!


"Da Kine" wrote in message
oups.com...
Isn't almost all of Iran's income from oil?
No - its from control of the stock market

Isn't it in their best interest to promote demand for oil?
Probably

Is the threat that they will blow themselves up and diminish the oil
supply?

Now you're just daydreaming. That would be the best thing for us. Even
a nuke would leave the place free and clear in 10 years

Did oil dollars pay for their atomic development program?
Probably not considering how much of the stock market that region
controls (about 43% acording to one report I read a while back).

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

Simple Logic....

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

"Vito" wrote in message

A rogue bear wandering around your cabin is a threat unless you take the
initiative and shoot him.

Grab a broom and shoo it out the door you left open like most anyone else
would do.

Sea Lions are threatening SoCal because the folks
there lack the gumption to thin them out.

Aw Cripes... you don't have to kill everything that ****es you off or makes
you uncomfortable..... smack a few with a baseball bat... they'll get the
idea to stay the **** out of your way without having to kill them

Iran, North Korea, et al are threats
for the same reason - most Americans lack the gumption to eliminate their
threat.

Yeah... well in that scenario you guys are playing the bear / sea lion...
and it's not even your natural environment. The ragheads and rice pickers
are smackin' you with a stick... but you're to collectively stupid to take a
hint.

CM

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

Bob, I don't know if you mean to impugn me or if you are actually
asking. In the outside chance that you are out of caricature (not miss
spelled), you can check with non-classified - even public record
associated with the USA defense department. That regions people own
43%, collectively, of all the worlds stock markets. It is common
knowledge to anyone that wants to know that sort of thing.

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

I've been all around the world several times and frankly, I'm
afraid of all the fanatical groups, all of the socialist groups and
Brussels sprout. Given a chance to change the world, I would make
everyone drink Guinness stout and make them go sailing naked with
calypso music playing.

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

"Da Kine" wrote in message
oups.com...
I've been all around the world several times and frankly, I'm
afraid of all the fanatical groups, all of the socialist groups and
Brussels sprout. Given a chance to change the world, I would make
everyone drink Guinness stout and make them go sailing naked with
calypso music playing.

Can we skip the 'naked' part? I've seen some of those Europeans and Middle
Easterners, and frankly that's just not a pleasant mental image.

Max

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

That's true! You know they say the best form of birth control after age
40 is nuditiy :-)

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

"Da Kine" wrote in message
ups.com...
That's true! You know they say the best form of birth control after age
40 is nuditiy :-)

"Hanoi Jane" Fonda looked pretty buff in her bikini in "On Golden Pond." I
believe she was well into her forties by then. But your point is well-taken
for most of the population.

Max

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

And, Goldie Hawn... I still can't get her image out of my mind from Laugh
In.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Da Kine" wrote in message
ups.com...
That's true! You know they say the best form of birth control after age
40 is nuditiy :-)

"Hanoi Jane" Fonda looked pretty buff in her bikini in "On Golden Pond."
I believe she was well into her forties by then. But your point is
well-taken for most of the population.

Max

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

There are more and more older babes out there but I think a lot of them
are surgery babes (not that I mind looking at big rubber t*tt*es☺).
The thing is that if you start thinking about how hot the young girls
are you can’t help but start imagining them talking and that sort of
ruins it in a New York minute!

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

"Da Kine" wrote in message
oups.com...
There are more and more older babes out there but I think a lot of them
are surgery babes (not that I mind looking at big rubber t*tt*es?).
The thing is that if you start thinking about how hot the young girls
are you can't help but start imagining them talking and that sort of
ruins it in a New York minute!

My folks repeatedly said, "Children should be seen and not heard." I'm
beginning to glean the truth from that statement. g

Max

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote
How about letting the religious fanatics from both sides go at it while the
rest of the world goes on with their lives?

Be nice if we could but they are too busy making rational people obey their
superstitious laws to fight much.

Remember, according to Bush, each/every one of us began life as a feces.

Brainwashed Populace or is Bush Right?
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:o96Hf.1763$bd4.1232@edtnps84...

"Vito" wrote in message

A rogue bear wandering around your cabin is a threat unless you take the
initiative and shoot him.

Grab a broom and shoo it out the door you left open like most anyone else
would do.

That works for an eastern black bear - chancy on a griz or brown.

Sea Lions are threatening SoCal because the folks
there lack the gumption to thin them out.

Aw Cripes... you don't have to kill everything that ****es you off or makes
you uncomfortable..... smack a few with a baseball bat... they'll get the
idea to stay the **** out of your way without having to kill them

It's not a matter of being uncomfortable, its a matter of good game management.

Iran, North Korea, et al are threats
for the same reason - most Americans lack the gumption to eliminate their
threat.

Yeah... well in that scenario you guys are playing the bear / sea lion...
and it's not even your natural environment. The ragheads and rice pickers
are smackin' you with a stick... but you're to collectively stupid to take a
hint.

My point exactly. If we had any sense Allah would bring a plague on them.