Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

Basically only a few people don't own aging crap, boats bought on tired
budgets with tiring problems.

Me and the 35s5....new enough to be problem free. She needs nothing.
Donal's 33.7.....even newer and sure to need very little.
Jeff's PDQ 36....also a newer vessel and not requiring anything major.

But the rest of the boats here are a sail away from the scrapyard. Some
boats, like Scotty Potty's or Mooron's are long overdo for being cut
up, crushed and parted out.


RB
35s5
NY

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Basically only a few people don't own aging crap, boats bought on tired
budgets with tiring problems.

Me and the 35s5....new enough to be problem free. She needs nothing.
Donal's 33.7.....even newer and sure to need very little.
Jeff's PDQ 36....also a newer vessel and not requiring anything major.

But the rest of the boats here are a sail away from the scrapyard. Some
boats, like Scotty Potty's or Mooron's are long overdo for being cut
up, crushed and parted out.


RB
35s5
NY

Give it 5 years and yours will look exactly like everyone else's...

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

Give it 5 years and yours will look exactly like everyone else's...


I'm afraid not, Katy. Our 35s5 was owned by a Dot-com company and saw
very little use. She was a fresh water boat for most her life and spent
4 whole seasons in indoor storage. The survey noted her
condition/cosmetics as that of a 5 year old vessel.
So it'll be 15 years or so before she looks like your boat or the
others...and we won't have her for much more than 5 years as we're
buying a liveaboard.
And it won't be a trawler...we LOVE sailing.


RB
35s5
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Give it 5 years and yours will look exactly like everyone else's...


I'm afraid not, Katy. Our 35s5 was owned by a Dot-com company and saw
very little use. She was a fresh water boat for most her life and spent
4 whole seasons in indoor storage. The survey noted her
condition/cosmetics as that of a 5 year old vessel.
So it'll be 15 years or so before she looks like your boat or the
others...and we won't have her for much more than 5 years as we're
buying a liveaboard.
And it won't be a trawler...we LOVE sailing.


RB
35s5
NY

I reiterate, in 5 years it will look like any other....

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"katy" wrote in message
...

Give it 5 years and yours will look exactly like everyone
else's...

The difference is, we sail our boats.

Scotty

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Tsk Tsk Tsk..... of course it won't Kitty. Bobsprit has once again purchased
with the mentality of an Off the Shelf, look-a-like, no maintenance vessel
with a stik'n'peel interior. It's a dock condo whore..... it will not
perform to his expectations ... and once again he will blame the vessel
rather than his lack of skills. Bobsprit spends more time waxing the fake
"veneer" and topsides than sailing. He does not buy from the heart..... he
buys based on resale value. A boat to Bob is not an extension of himself ,
nor is it a passion. Bobsprit buys with a powerboater's mentality. He is in
actuality a Power Boater...... and will never be satisfied with any
"stepping stone" unless it has 2 floors, and 2 diesel engines.

Anyone here has a better sailboat than Bobsprit...... because he has no idea
of what a good vessel is. Any boat you buy becomes a project boat. To prove
my point.... how many owners here have not made alterations, improvements or
additions to their boats????

CM

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:
Basically only a few people don't own aging crap, boats bought on tired
budgets with tiring problems.

Me and the 35s5....new enough to be problem free. She needs nothing.
Donal's 33.7.....even newer and sure to need very little.
Jeff's PDQ 36....also a newer vessel and not requiring anything major.

But the rest of the boats here are a sail away from the scrapyard. Some
boats, like Scotty Potty's or Mooron's are long overdo for being cut
up, crushed and parted out. RB
35s5
NY

Give it 5 years and yours will look exactly like everyone else's...

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

Mooron said pointed out

"because he has no idea
of what a good vessel is. Any boat you buy becomes a project boat. To
prove
my point.... how many owners here have not made alterations,
improvements or
additions to their boats????

Indeed you are correct, Bob has never owned a boat long enough to know
anything about it, except what a broker or brocure says.

Next he thinks his stepping stone is going to be a
liveaboard.....Bwahahahahahahahahaha it will never happen.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Mooron said pointed out

"because he has no idea
of what a good vessel is. Any boat you buy becomes a project boat. To
prove
my point.... how many owners here have not made alterations,
improvements or
additions to their boats????

Indeed you are correct, Bob has never owned a boat long enough to know
anything about it, except what a broker or brocure says.

Next he thinks his stepping stone is going to be a
liveaboard.....Bwahahahahahahahahaha it will never happen.

Certainly it will...... when he buys his Trawler. Bobsprit has funding from
his parents and his wife. The only question is... will it be a Nordhaven or
a Cape Hatteras???

CM

CM

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

It will never happen, he's not cut out for it......even on a trawler.


Joe

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

it will not
perform to his expectations .


Too late, Mooron! We already sailed her twice and she's frikin' fast
and fun! Down below is nice and room is much more than your boat. Best
of all we won't have to redo poor craftsmanship as you did. The fit and
finish of the 35s5 is excellent as noted in the surveys.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Too late, Mooron! We already sailed her twice and she's frikin' fast
and fun! Down below is nice and room is much more than your boat. Best
of all we won't have to redo poor craftsmanship as you did. The fit and
finish of the 35s5 is excellent as noted in the surveys.

This statement by someone who has never had the appitude, ability or
capability to effect alterations or improvements beyond having the "yard"
install a sound system.

Fast is relative, I would expect more room with an extra 5 feet of length
and there is little to no up keep nor capability to alter the interior of a
peel'n'stik decor without adding sufficient weight to slow that dock condo
down to barge speeds.... since it depends on it's light weight to generate
those speeds.

Buy a Nordhaven Trawler Bobsprit.... you'll have the room, power and speed
you so desire. Face it man... you just aren't cut out for sailing. You fear
the water and panic at the thought of open sea.

CM

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

This statement by someone who has never had the appitude, ability or
capability to effect alterations or improvements beyond having the
"yard"
install a sound system.


Sorry AGAIN, mooron!
I removed and restored the sole of the C&C 32 along with other interior
teak. I also removed and refit all of the ports to like new condition,
did the same for all teak on the P30, which included the coamings. My
yard never installed any electronics...I do it myself. In fact I just
installed a flush VHS radio and stereo on a Bayliner 34 for the yard.


Fast is relative,

Your boat is slow by nearly any comparable standard.

you'll have the room, power and speed
you so desire.


I have that now. But when will you get something as fast or fun as my
35s5? And of course 35s5's have circumnaviagted. Nordica 30 has not.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote:

35s5's have circumnaviagted. Nordica 30 has not.


Faulty logic there Bob.

Cheers
Marty

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... nothing relative and
certainly nothing based on fact

To save you the time of running out to the Nordica Website and selectively
quoting me again... I'll include the whole dang thing...


" The Nordica 30 is a double ended, masthead sloop with a full keel
and cutaway forefoot. The rudder is a stern hung tiller design. L.O.A. is
29' 10" with a L.W.L. of 25' -1" Some versions were built with a factory
installed bowsprit which increases the L.O.A. to 33'. The interior is
finished with teak and the layout is generally roomy... more so than most
boats of this size and category. The woodwork inside is not always of the
best workmanship and is a common problem with all Nordicas. The layout
includes a galley to port with a propane stove and oven, a single or double
sink and a cooler/icebox. A dinette to port and a settee to stbd. which
includes a nav station with electric panel. The vessel sleeps 4 in comfort
and six maximum. The layout and design of the vessel allows for lots of
storage space. The head clearance of approximately 6' is reasonable, but
limiting to taller persons.

I sail on Great Slave Lake in the Northwest territories and find the
boat to be reasonably quick for a moderate displacement hull and is
downright fast off the wind. It has a very sea kindly motion and is
relatively dry even in the steep waves found here. Some modifications were
done to allow access to all areas of the hull as well to the factory
installed scupper drains which are woefully too small (1/2 inch) to be of
any use. The factory supplied Volvo / 17 hp diesel was replaced with a new
27 hp Yanmar. All in all, a very forgiving boat that handles very well. "




So there you have it... an honest and balanced opinion from an owner. My
Nordica 30 is still ten times the boat your excerise in plastic look-alike
dock condo with the peel'n'stik interior will ever be. It's older, in
better shape and will last longer. When your 35s5 becomes a design
nightmare..... the Nordica will retain her charm, lines and improve with
age.

Then again... I'm happy with my boat and don't want a larger, newer design
every 2 years because unlike you... I don't buy crap.... I know what I want
in a sailboat... I bought based on that criteria.... I bought the largest
vessel I can handle and sail easily by myself.... I understand why I
sail... and it's not powering around a harbour in a sailboat claiming 2 hr
daysails 3 times a week as having more time on boats than anyone else.

Bobsprit... I have seen and met many Power Boaters, some of my best friends
are power boaters, I'd even let my sister date a power boater...... and you
Bobsprit..... have all the credentials and behavioural characteristics of a
dyed in the wool...POWER BOATER!!

Seriously... buy a Nordhaven 46... Be Happy for once.... you do not belong
on a sailboat!

CM

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

The woodwork inside is not always of the
best workmanship and is a common problem with all Nordicas.


Craftsmanship that is COMMONLY POOR is not a good boat. It's a bad
boat. Craftsmanship that is regarded as excellent, as remarked by
owners and reviews and surveys of the 35s5 show a VERY high level.
Why not include the link showing the Nordica 30 that rotted from the
inside out. I've never even seen an O'Day look that bad.
I'm very very very sorry, Mooron, but your boat is low quality and
priced like it.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The woodwork inside is not always of the
best workmanship and is a common problem with all Nordicas.


Craftsmanship that is COMMONLY POOR is not a good boat. It's a bad
boat. Craftsmanship that is regarded as excellent, as remarked by
owners and reviews and surveys of the 35s5 show a VERY high level.
Why not include the link showing the Nordica 30 that rotted from the
inside out. I've never even seen an O'Day look that bad.
I'm very very very sorry, Mooron, but your boat is low quality and
priced like it.

The term regarding craftsmanship is relative Bobsprit.... it's not finished
with 30 coats of varnish like on a Swan or Cabo Rico...... but it's still
real wood, oiled and w-a-a-y-y-y-y-y better than the shelf liner used in
your boat. You can't have any "craftmanship" issues... since your boat has
no craftmanship whatsoever.

Any vessel can suffer abuse.... the very fact that the Nordica 30 in
question was worth repairing indicates the value of the vessel and design.
Whereas your 35s5 wouldn't be worth the time nor effort to renovate.... the
Nordica 30 obviously was.

....and did you realize that several Nordica 20's have not only crossed
oceans but completed circumnavigations as well. I believe only a couple of
dozen Nordica 30's were ever built.....

CM

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote
Basically only a few people don't own aging crap, boats bought on tired
budgets with tiring problems.

Me and the 35s5....new enough to be problem free. She needs nothing.
Donal's 33.7.....even newer and sure to need very little.
Jeff's PDQ 36....also a newer vessel and not requiring anything major.

You are certainly correct in my case - at least partly. My boat does need a lot
of work but I would hardly call her "crap" nor was she bought on a 'tired
budget' (I'm unsure what 'tiring problems' are). In my mind the reason to own a
mid/small size sailboat is the same a owning vintage cars or motorcycles - to
keep them up and enjoy their traditional designs. Otherwise why bother? I can
understand owning a new larger ocean going yacht - something over 65' - but a
new 35' with weird lines to take your family swimming in a cesspool? No thanks.

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

In my mind the reason to own a
mid/small size sailboat is the same a owning vintage cars or
motorcycles - to
keep them up and enjoy their traditional designs.


And this is why I'm smarter than you...and always will be. I want to
sail. I don't want to work on a boat unless I decide to work on boats
for money. If I wanted a traditional design, I'd seek out a RESTORED
boat with very few issues. I prefer sailing to rebuilding interiors as
Mooron was forced to do. I'm also smarter than you because I bought a
boat that sails fast and with a lot of responsivness; something missed
out on by a lot of old-time sailors.
Sounds to me like you need a lot of excuses to stay home and sand wood.
Come spring we'll be sailing 3-4 days a week or more! Keep us posted on
the "project boat."

"Hell, I'm a sailor. I'm glad someone works on those old boats. And
everytime I take my modern 43 foot glass racer out I'm glad it's not
me!"
-Dennis Connor

RB
35s5
NY

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

"Capt" Rob" wrote
Basically only a few people don't own aging crap

Sturgeon's Law: At least 90% of everything made is crap.

This suggests that careful choices are how to avoid crap,
not buying new and certainly not forming opinions based on
advertising.


Me and the 35s5....new enough to be problem free. She needs nothing.

Not a windlass? How about the rod heads in the rigging? They
age, same as swage terminals on wire rigging.



Vito wrote:
You are certainly correct in my case - at least partly. My boat does need a lot
of work but I would hardly call her "crap" nor was she bought on a 'tired
budget' (I'm unsure what 'tiring problems' are).

That's when your money gets exhausted from being bragged
about so much.

.... In my mind the reason to own a
mid/small size sailboat is the same a owning vintage cars or motorcycles - to
keep them up and enjoy their traditional designs. Otherwise why bother?

For mid/small traditional boats, yes. It's a good thing,
worth doing, to bring them forward so the next generation of
sailors will be able to experience them too. OTOH a
mid/small size boat need not be traditional to be worth
owning and/or working on.


... I can
understand owning a new larger ocean going yacht - something over 65' - but a
new 35' with weird lines to take your family swimming in a cesspool? No thanks.


Sounds like you're coming down with a bad case of good
judgement. And Bubbles boat (presuming he really does have
one) isn't "new" other than in grossly relative terms.

Why 'ocean going' at 65'? That's too big IMHO unless you
want professional crew along.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote ...
In my mind the reason to own a
mid/small size sailboat is the same a owning vintage cars or
motorcycles - to
keep them up and enjoy their traditional designs.



I don't want to work on a boat unless I decide to work on
boats
for money.


he just doesn't get it.

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

Not a windlass? How about the rod heads in the rigging? They
age, same as swage terminals on wire rigging.


Rod heads replaced in 03 and 04. Why do I need a windlass? I easily
handled the anchor on the C&C 32. Will I have a much harder time on the
35s5?

RB
35s5
NY

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote ...
Not a windlass? How about the rod heads in the rigging? They
age, same as swage terminals on wire rigging.


Rod heads replaced in 03 and 04. Why do I need a windlass? I
never leave the slip.

BB
35s5 the limo version of the Mac26X
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
In my mind the reason to own a
mid/small size sailboat is the same a owning vintage cars or
motorcycles - to
keep them up and enjoy their traditional designs.


And this is why I'm smarter than you...and always will be.

So you bought a paper-thin hull to sail in a cesspool?? If that's "smart" then
yes you are far smarter than I.

I want to sail.

Then why not buy a full-size boat you can sail to interesting destinations - or
if your crew can't handle such a boat then move to some decent reasonably clean
place? There are nice places where you can sail for hours and see nary a turd
or used condom afloat.

I don't want to work on a boat unless I decide to work on boats
for money.

Money? I thot you already had money?

. I'm also smarter than you because I bought a
boat that sails fast and with a lot of responsivness;

If I wanted speed and responsiveness I'd buy a jet ski and buzz dudes like you.
But I sail for relaxation. When I want an adrenaline high I do something
exciting.

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

"DSK" wrote
Vito wrote:
You are certainly correct in my case - at least partly. My boat does need a
lot
of work but I would hardly call her "crap" nor was she bought on a 'tired
budget' (I'm unsure what 'tiring problems' are).

That's when your money gets exhausted from being bragged
about so much.

That's OK, me rich uncle sends me a couple thousand whenever I need it - in
addition to my salery of course.


.... In my mind the reason to own a
mid/small size sailboat is the same a owning vintage cars or motorcycles -
to
keep them up and enjoy their traditional designs. Otherwise why bother?

OTOH a
mid/small size boat need not be traditional to be worth
owning and/or working on.

True - provided you have a decent place to enjoy her without coming down with
the galloping crud whenever swallowing a bit of spray.


... I can
understand owning a new larger ocean going yacht - something over 65' - but
a
new 35' with weird lines to take your family swimming in a cesspool? No
thanks.


Sounds like you're coming down with a bad case of good
judgement. And Bubbles boat (presuming he really does have
one) isn't "new" other than in grossly relative terms.

Why 'ocean going' at 65'?

wink cuz bubbles can't afford one - heh heh!

Who Doesn't Own a Project Boat???
 

True - provided you have a decent place to enjoy her without coming
down with
the galloping crud whenever swallowing a bit of spray.


You should sail the LIS here. Because of the race, the waters test
better than most beach waters in the USA yearly. Water is very clean.
I've heard about people getting sick on the Chesapeak, LA waters,
Florida (of course) and so on...but not on the LIS. Then again, I'd
stay away from ANY shallow water on the LIS due to sediment
contamination.

RB
35s5
NY