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[email protected] January 11th 06 11:50 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 
Years ago when I bought my boat used, it came with a marine head and
unused holding tank. I forget what brand the head was except that it
was the highest rated one by Practical Sailor. I hated it. No matter
what I did, replacing all hoses, rinsing it, etc, it stank and so did
the boat. I spent more time working on it than all other boat systems
put together. One day in a fit of "I'm gonna simplify my life", I took
it out, wired the thru-hulls shut and replaced it with a porta-potti.
Then I carried that damned thing around in my truck for awhile till a
sailing buddy saw it and asked about it and I gave it to him. I then
gave the holding tank to someone else. Now, both of these people still
act as if I had done them some huge favor when all I wanted to do was
get rid of it. So, for getting rid of the smell of **** and gaining
some storage space, they think I am a great friend, best investment I
ever made.
After 2 porta-pottis, I am still very happy I did this and my boating
life is much easier and less smelly.


Capt. Rob January 11th 06 11:59 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 
After 2 porta-pottis, I am still very happy I did this and my boating
life is much easier and less smelly.


Heads on boats are amazingly simple deviced that boggle the mind often.
I had an electric head on the C&C 32 which worked as reliably as the
one in your home. The Beneteau has a simple hand pump version and I'm
ready to throw a better one in if it starts a fight.

RB
35s5
NY


Capt. JG January 12th 06 12:02 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 
Instead of replacing what is probably a perfectly good head, you would
probably be better served by getting Peggy's book on the subject.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
After 2 porta-pottis, I am still very happy I did this and my boating
life is much easier and less smelly.


Heads on boats are amazingly simple deviced that boggle the mind often.
I had an electric head on the C&C 32 which worked as reliably as the
one in your home. The Beneteau has a simple hand pump version and I'm
ready to throw a better one in if it starts a fight.

RB
35s5
NY




Capt. Rob January 12th 06 12:20 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 
Instead of replacing what is probably a perfectly good head, you would
probably be better served by getting Peggy's book on the subject.

More fun to spend 800 bucks and own a head that's nicer that Scotty's
whole boat!


RB
35s5
NY


Capt.Mooron January 12th 06 12:37 AM

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Oh for Mercy of the Gods!!! I can't believe that anyone would prefer to
hand lug their **** bucket through the salon and claim easy living. Hang
your fat ass over the rail you lazy fin keeler..... or make use of a Cedar
Bucket like Capt. Neal!

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
Years ago when I bought my boat used, it came with a marine head and
unused holding tank. I forget what brand the head was except that it
was the highest rated one by Practical Sailor. I hated it. No matter
what I did, replacing all hoses, rinsing it, etc, it stank and so did
the boat. I spent more time working on it than all other boat systems
put together. One day in a fit of "I'm gonna simplify my life", I took
it out, wired the thru-hulls shut and replaced it with a porta-potti.
Then I carried that damned thing around in my truck for awhile till a
sailing buddy saw it and asked about it and I gave it to him. I then
gave the holding tank to someone else. Now, both of these people still
act as if I had done them some huge favor when all I wanted to do was
get rid of it. So, for getting rid of the smell of **** and gaining
some storage space, they think I am a great friend, best investment I
ever made.
After 2 porta-pottis, I am still very happy I did this and my boating
life is much easier and less smelly.




Capt. Rob January 12th 06 12:43 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 
Oh for Mercy of the Gods!!!


Hey, what's wrong, Mooron? You seem pretty salty these days.


RB
35s5
NY


Scotty January 12th 06 12:53 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 
Porta-potty? Do you only day sail?


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

wrote in message
oups.com...
Years ago when I bought my boat used, it came with a marine

head and
unused holding tank. I forget what brand the head was except

that it
was the highest rated one by Practical Sailor. I hated it. No

matter
what I did, replacing all hoses, rinsing it, etc, it stank and

so did
the boat. I spent more time working on it than all other boat

systems
put together. One day in a fit of "I'm gonna simplify my

life", I took
it out, wired the thru-hulls shut and replaced it with a

porta-potti.
Then I carried that damned thing around in my truck for awhile

till a
sailing buddy saw it and asked about it and I gave it to him.

I then
gave the holding tank to someone else. Now, both of these

people still
act as if I had done them some huge favor when all I wanted to

do was
get rid of it. So, for getting rid of the smell of **** and

gaining
some storage space, they think I am a great friend, best

investment I
ever made.
After 2 porta-pottis, I am still very happy I did this and my

boating
life is much easier and less smelly.




Capt. Rob January 12th 06 12:53 AM

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Porta-potty? Do you only day sail?


A porta potty can take a lot of crap, maybe not from Scotty Potty and
his wife, but from normal humans...yes. And there's always the bucket.
Potty tips his hand again!


RB
35s5...a boat that can take some crap!
NY


Scotty January 12th 06 12:54 AM

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he's not smart enough to fix anything.

SV

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Instead of replacing what is probably a perfectly good head,

you would
probably be better served by getting Peggy's book on the

subject.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
After 2 porta-pottis, I am still very happy I did this and my

boating
life is much easier and less smelly.


Heads on boats are amazingly simple deviced that boggle the

mind often.
I had an electric head on the C&C 32 which worked as reliably

as the
one in your home. The Beneteau has a simple hand pump version

and I'm
ready to throw a better one in if it starts a fight.

RB
35s5
NY






Scotty January 12th 06 12:56 AM

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote


SLURP! Mooron? You seem pretty salty these days.



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John Cairns January 12th 06 01:13 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
Years ago when I bought my boat used, it came with a marine head and
unused holding tank. I forget what brand the head was except that it
was the highest rated one by Practical Sailor. I hated it. No matter
what I did, replacing all hoses, rinsing it, etc, it stank and so did
the boat. I spent more time working on it than all other boat systems
put together. One day in a fit of "I'm gonna simplify my life", I took
it out, wired the thru-hulls shut and replaced it with a porta-potti.
Then I carried that damned thing around in my truck for awhile till a
sailing buddy saw it and asked about it and I gave it to him. I then
gave the holding tank to someone else. Now, both of these people still
act as if I had done them some huge favor when all I wanted to do was
get rid of it. So, for getting rid of the smell of **** and gaining
some storage space, they think I am a great friend, best investment I
ever made.
After 2 porta-pottis, I am still very happy I did this and my boating
life is much easier and less smelly.


If you sail with females aboard, a proper head is priceless.

John Cairns



Scotty January 12th 06 01:18 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 

"Swab Rob" wrote

A porta potty can take a lot of crap,


unlike the chicken Bobspit.




RB
35s5...a boat that can scoop some crap!
NY




Capt. JG January 12th 06 01:31 AM

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Perhaps more fun, but not as smart.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Instead of replacing what is probably a perfectly good head, you would
probably be better served by getting Peggy's book on the subject.

More fun to spend 800 bucks and own a head that's nicer that Scotty's
whole boat!


RB
35s5
NY




Capt. JG January 12th 06 01:31 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 
I was thinking he'd hire someone.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
he's not smart enough to fix anything.

SV

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Instead of replacing what is probably a perfectly good head,

you would
probably be better served by getting Peggy's book on the

subject.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
After 2 porta-pottis, I am still very happy I did this and my

boating
life is much easier and less smelly.


Heads on boats are amazingly simple deviced that boggle the

mind often.
I had an electric head on the C&C 32 which worked as reliably

as the
one in your home. The Beneteau has a simple hand pump version

and I'm
ready to throw a better one in if it starts a fight.

RB
35s5
NY








Capt. Rob January 12th 06 01:52 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 
If you sail with females aboard, a proper head is priceless.



John, you've never been more right about anything.


RB
35s5
NY


Capt.Mooron January 12th 06 01:54 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Oh for Mercy of the Gods!!!


Hey, what's wrong, Mooron? You seem pretty salty these days.


Aw... who the hell knows.... maybe I'm pining for the fiords?

Maybe it's just that I enjoy raking people's butts over the coals....

Nonetheless... it's been fun so far! How about you?

CM



Capt. Rob January 12th 06 02:08 AM

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Nonetheless... it's been fun so far! How about you?


Honestly...I'm tired. Spending a lot of time with Thomas and I'm
grateful for it, but he's tireless and I'm not. Suzanne went to sleep
at 8:00 and I'm only up because my buddy is bringing my radar system
over and a new grill.

RB
35s5
NY


Capt.Mooron January 12th 06 02:27 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Honestly...I'm tired. Spending a lot of time with Thomas and I'm
grateful for it, but he's tireless and I'm not. Suzanne went to sleep
at 8:00 and I'm only up because my buddy is bringing my radar system
over and a new grill.


I'd recommend a puppy for Thomas... or a brother/sister to play with.
Personally... I'd go with the puppy if I were you. Something Thomas can
smack around... like a Lasa Ahpso. It would serve a duel purpose and doesn't
require much space...... plus you can use it to polish and buff the new
boat this spring.

CM



[email protected] January 12th 06 03:56 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 
Once spent 3 weeks aboard with myself, my wife, and two small kids.
Maybe were just less full o' **** than most. My wife suggested the
porta-potti. Yes, I did read everything I could find on marine heads
and replaced the old piping with supposedly impermeable stuff before
deciding to make the switch. I never have head problems and never work
on it now. I just haul it ashore every few days when we use the boat,
no big deal. You have to understand that my wife and I were always
outdoors fanatics so the boat is like luxury to us. We spent our
honeymoon (1980) camping for 3 months along the continental divide in
Colorado and WY. She was finally hurt in a climbing accident (broken
arm, chunk outa her hip and broken toe but still wanted to camp. We
finally gave it up and went back to civilization when the snow was
collapsing the tent every night. AND that was just the beginning so
you can see that having the luxury of a porta-potti and real drinkable
water aboard seems like the Hilton by comparison. My daughters dont
seem to mind the porta-potti either (19 and 9.)


Capt. Rob January 12th 06 11:12 AM

Whats a toilet worth
 
You have to understand that my wife and I were always
outdoors fanatics so the boat is like luxury to us.


Your boat also has an interior that is original and holding up well.
That is like a luxury for Mooron, who had to rebuild his. I knew a few
people who removed thier plumbed heads as you did...just a lot less to
worry about for folks who don't cruise on a regular basis. I do prefer
a plumbed head.
That's the straight poop. Don't worry about Mooron. He's got his "head"
worried about things like this....

http://www.nordicaboats.com/assets/i...etal-L-opt.jpg

And the text from the Nordica 30 website...
"Wasted metal samples from the rudder - this fitting was ABOVE the
waterline! Lack of caulking and or entrapment of moisture within the
rudder caused this type of damage over time."

"Nordica 30, a mediocre boat today, a total kit boat in the future."


RB
35s5
NY


Scotty January 12th 06 01:09 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 
I used to do a lot of back packing. ( PA Blue Mtns. AP Trail) .
My buddy and I would make fun of those with campers and the RV
park crowd. A few years later he bought a camper.
I used to cruise, a week at a time on a Mac 26'. very minimal
accommodations. But we loved it. As I got older I wanted more
room, a decent stove, a real head, stand up room, etc.

Scotty

..
wrote in message
oups.com...
Once spent 3 weeks aboard with myself, my wife, and two small

kids.
Maybe were just less full o' **** than most. My wife suggested

the
porta-potti. Yes, I did read everything I could find on marine

heads
and replaced the old piping with supposedly impermeable stuff

before
deciding to make the switch. I never have head problems and

never work
on it now. I just haul it ashore every few days when we use

the boat,
no big deal. You have to understand that my wife and I were

always
outdoors fanatics so the boat is like luxury to us. We spent

our
honeymoon (1980) camping for 3 months along the continental

divide in
Colorado and WY. She was finally hurt in a climbing accident

(broken
arm, chunk outa her hip and broken toe but still wanted to

camp. We
finally gave it up and went back to civilization when the snow

was
collapsing the tent every night. AND that was just the

beginning so
you can see that having the luxury of a porta-potti and real

drinkable
water aboard seems like the Hilton by comparison. My daughters

dont
seem to mind the porta-potti either (19 and 9.)




Capt. Rob January 12th 06 01:14 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 
Scotty wrote....

"But we loved it. As I got older I wanted more
room, a decent stove, a real head, stand up room, etc. and I wanted
these things more than a boat that was well built or capable of any
real performance. Luckily companies like Siedleman, US Yachts and Mac
cater to my motor home mentality."


RB
35s5...the boat that does it all.
NY


Frank Boettcher January 12th 06 01:55 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 
On 11 Jan 2006 15:50:31 -0800, wrote:

Years ago when I bought my boat used, it came with a marine head and
unused holding tank. I forget what brand the head was except that it
was the highest rated one by Practical Sailor. I hated it. No matter
what I did, replacing all hoses, rinsing it, etc, it stank and so did
the boat. I spent more time working on it than all other boat systems
put together. One day in a fit of "I'm gonna simplify my life", I took
it out, wired the thru-hulls shut and replaced it with a porta-potti.
Then I carried that damned thing around in my truck for awhile till a
sailing buddy saw it and asked about it and I gave it to him. I then
gave the holding tank to someone else. Now, both of these people still
act as if I had done them some huge favor when all I wanted to do was
get rid of it. So, for getting rid of the smell of **** and gaining
some storage space, they think I am a great friend, best investment I
ever made.
After 2 porta-pottis, I am still very happy I did this and my boating
life is much easier and less smelly.


I chased a smell that I kept blaming on the head. Nothing I did to the
head could keep it from being there if I closed up the boat for a few
weeks. Turned out it wasn't from the head at all. Each bilge access
plate was for a different bilge compartment and although when a
certain level was reached they would drain back to the lowest point,
each would hold a small amount of bilge water. I would pump my bilge
before leaving the boat but that very small amount of stagnant water
would cause the most foul odor to build up. I took to dropping about
a quarter teaspoon lysol in each bilge compartment before I left the
boat and the problem was solved.

Frank

katy January 12th 06 02:37 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 
Capt.Mooron wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message


Honestly...I'm tired. Spending a lot of time with Thomas and I'm
grateful for it, but he's tireless and I'm not. Suzanne went to sleep
at 8:00 and I'm only up because my buddy is bringing my radar system
over and a new grill.



I'd recommend a puppy for Thomas... or a brother/sister to play with.
Personally... I'd go with the puppy if I were you. Something Thomas can
smack around... like a Lasa Ahpso. It would serve a duel purpose and doesn't
require much space...... plus you can use it to polish and buff the new
boat this spring.

CM


Beg to differ...Lhasas are not good with children in general (there
are of course exceptions) And because they are brachiocephalic,
their bite is quite severe. A bichon or some other daisy dog type
would be a better apartment dwelling dog but would still enjoy
sailing. Unless you meant that the dog should eat Thomas and then
Bob wouldn't be tired anymore?

Capt.Mooron January 12th 06 02:55 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 

"katy" wrote in message

Beg to differ...Lhasas are not good with children in general (there are of
course exceptions) And because they are brachiocephalic, their bite is
quite severe. A bichon or some other daisy dog type would be a better
apartment dwelling dog but would still enjoy sailing. Unless you meant
that the dog should eat Thomas and then Bob wouldn't be tired anymore?


Well it would have to be a tiny fluffy lap dog.... fluffy so it could do
double duty as a hull buffer. Maybe a miniature poodle..... bet those
things would put a fine sheen on a coat of wax if spun at 400 rpm.

CM





Capt.Mooron January 12th 06 03:25 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Your boat also has an interior that is original and holding up well.
That is like a luxury for Mooron,


....and the owner of a Plastic & Veneer Palace speaks about real wood fit.

BTW- The only refit to any wood was to rip out my galley and replace it with
a stainless steel one. Wood has no place in a galley..... not that you'd
have any concern about an excess of timber on your lightly wood-accented
pretend teak.... VENEER !!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa...

CM



Capt.Mooron January 12th 06 03:25 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 
I used to get airlift by helicopter into heavily forested boreal areas
inaccessible by other means to undertake geotechnical sampling and testing
for weeks at a time.
You were talking about 500 miles from the nearest settlement ...

No trails or paths. No help or possibility of rescue unless you made it back
to camp to access your radio. Camp was often 20 miles away. I'd carry 60lb
sample bags to predetermined clearings for eventual pick-up.

They wondered why I insisted on carrying my Mossberg .12ga and never knew I
also packed a .44 Dan Wesson Handgun under my jacket.

CM

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I used to do a lot of back packing. ( PA Blue Mtns. AP Trail) .
My buddy and I would make fun of those with campers and the RV
park crowd. A few years later he bought a camper.
I used to cruise, a week at a time on a Mac 26'. very minimal
accommodations. But we loved it. As I got older I wanted more
room, a decent stove, a real head, stand up room, etc.

Scotty

.
wrote in message
oups.com...
Once spent 3 weeks aboard with myself, my wife, and two small

kids.
Maybe were just less full o' **** than most. My wife suggested

the
porta-potti. Yes, I did read everything I could find on marine

heads
and replaced the old piping with supposedly impermeable stuff

before
deciding to make the switch. I never have head problems and

never work
on it now. I just haul it ashore every few days when we use

the boat,
no big deal. You have to understand that my wife and I were

always
outdoors fanatics so the boat is like luxury to us. We spent

our
honeymoon (1980) camping for 3 months along the continental

divide in
Colorado and WY. She was finally hurt in a climbing accident

(broken
arm, chunk outa her hip and broken toe but still wanted to

camp. We
finally gave it up and went back to civilization when the snow

was
collapsing the tent every night. AND that was just the

beginning so
you can see that having the luxury of a porta-potti and real

drinkable
water aboard seems like the Hilton by comparison. My daughters

dont
seem to mind the porta-potti either (19 and 9.)






[email protected] January 12th 06 03:33 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 
I admit, I have gotten whimpy in my old (49) age and have given up back
packing, too many "death marches". Had to give up serious caving too
because I get dehydrated withiut knowing it and it nearly kills me. I
actually considered a pop-up camper but my wife nearly gave me hell for
that cuz she loves the tent.
We hated the original pressurized alchohol stove so much that I took it
out. She wanted to try cooking on sterno so I modified the burner
plate stand-offs. Now, we just drop a large size sterno down into the
old burner well and cook. This works better than you'd think as it
traps the heat much better than most sterno cookers. We've done a lot
of simple (read camping style food) meals on it. I decided that I
really do not like methanol stoves as the stuff burns with sucha clear
flame that it seems dangerous.


Capt.Mooron January 12th 06 05:18 PM

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Stoves????? What friggin' kind of KOA camping are you guys doing???

Camping to me is heading out into the wilds with minimal provisions,
sleeping gear and weapons. I cook over an fire and don't pack much in the
way of food except for basics like flour, sugar. salt. lard/margarine,
baking powder, onions, rice, garlic, coffee, tea and some spices. One
carbon steel frying pan and a 1 quart pot, 2 metal cups and fork, spoon and
chopsticks.

A gourmet meal can be made if you know what is edible and are familiar with
your environment.. With the above gear I have bread and can cook whatever I
harvest or kill. I can easily survive for a month with minimal supplies in
remote regions. I can .... because I have bothered to practice ... start a
fire without matches or lighter/ magnifying glass etc.

I can make my location extremely visible or disappear completely. I take
rope. monofilament fishing line and brass wire for fishing &snares as well
as a reloader with powder, bullets and primers for my guns since it takes
half the space as commercial ammo. A tarp is always packed for rain.

BTW - I'm 50 years old and can still do a 2 hour snorkel/ spearfishing run
in the North Atlantic waters.

I think most Americans are Pussies..... Gilligan excluded.... he's a
Mountain Man.

CM


wrote in message
oups.com...
I admit, I have gotten whimpy in my old (49) age and have given up back
packing, too many "death marches". Had to give up serious caving too
because I get dehydrated withiut knowing it and it nearly kills me. I
actually considered a pop-up camper but my wife nearly gave me hell for
that cuz she loves the tent.
We hated the original pressurized alchohol stove so much that I took it
out. She wanted to try cooking on sterno so I modified the burner
plate stand-offs. Now, we just drop a large size sterno down into the
old burner well and cook. This works better than you'd think as it
traps the heat much better than most sterno cookers. We've done a lot
of simple (read camping style food) meals on it. I decided that I
really do not like methanol stoves as the stuff burns with sucha clear
flame that it seems dangerous.




Scotty January 12th 06 09:50 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrotein
remote regions. I can .... because I have bothered to practice

.... start a
fire without matches or lighter/ magnifying glass etc.


BFD, My Boy Scout Troop NEVER used matches ( My policy).

These are little kids, Mooron!

Scotty





Scotty January 12th 06 10:00 PM

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:Ebwxf.78839$AP5.70769@edtnps84...
Stoves????? What friggin' kind of KOA camping are you guys

doing???

I never took a stove while back packing. Who are you yapping at?



Camping to me is heading out into the wilds with minimal

provisions,
sleeping gear and weapons. I cook over an fire and don't pack

much in the
way of food except for basics like flour, sugar. salt.

lard/margarine,
baking powder, onions, rice, garlic, coffee, tea and some

spices. One
carbon steel frying pan and a 1 quart pot, 2 metal cups and

fork, spoon and
chopsticks.



nothing like fresh cooked 'biscuit-on-a-stick' and coffee by the
fire.



SV



Scotty January 12th 06 10:41 PM

Whats a toilet worth
 
Shouldn't you be doing inventory?




"Commode Joe
sleeping gear and weapons. I cook over an fire and don't

pack
much in the
way of food except for basics like flour, sugar. salt.

lard/margarine,
baking powder, onions, rice, garlic, coffee, tea and some

spices. One
carbon steel frying pan and a 1 quart pot, 2 metal cups and

fork, spoon and
chopsticks.a blowjob by the fire.



Commode Joe





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