The Proper Nav Station
 

Have a look at the nav station on the 35s5...

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/int01.jpg

That table slides out and is bigger than any other boat I've seen under
40 feet, big enough for a real chart and perfect for big chart books.
It hinges up for storage below. There is a huge hinged door below for
nav gear and chart stowage behind. All electronics and electrical
controls are localized and are also fitted beneath. The station is also
in easy earshot of the cockpit of course.

Table extended to max size...

http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/24.JPG


RB
35s5....a real sailboat!
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

Aren't you at all concerned about the instruments being just above the stove
top? Seems like bad placement for a number of reasons, the most important of
which is that you might cook the wrong stuff.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Have a look at the nav station on the 35s5...

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/int01.jpg

That table slides out and is bigger than any other boat I've seen under
40 feet, big enough for a real chart and perfect for big chart books.
It hinges up for storage below. There is a huge hinged door below for
nav gear and chart stowage behind. All electronics and electrical
controls are localized and are also fitted beneath. The station is also
in easy earshot of the cockpit of course.

Table extended to max size...

http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/24.JPG


RB
35s5....a real sailboat!
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

Aren't you at all concerned about the instruments being just above the
stove
top? Seems like bad placement for a number of reasons, the most
important of
which is that you might cook the wrong stuff.


???? I think you're confused. There are no instruments near the stove.
The whole galley is on the port side. The Nav is to starboard.

RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

Ok... then what is underneath the chart board?

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Aren't you at all concerned about the instruments being just above the
stove
top? Seems like bad placement for a number of reasons, the most
important of
which is that you might cook the wrong stuff.


???? I think you're confused. There are no instruments near the stove.
The whole galley is on the port side. The Nav is to starboard.

RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

Wow, it has a folding top just like Express yachts had way back in 84.

The Proper Nav Station
 

Wow, it has a folding top just like Express yachts had way back in 84.



Yes, but the Depress 30 and 35 also have interiors that look like 70's
vans. And the 35s5 chart table is still larger than either.
You lose AGAIN!

RB
35s5...beat a Express 35!!!!
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

So, what's underneath it?

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Wow, it has a folding top just like Express yachts had way back in 84.



Yes, but the Depress 30 and 35 also have interiors that look like 70's
vans. And the 35s5 chart table is still larger than either.
You lose AGAIN!

RB
35s5...beat a Express 35!!!!
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

So, what's underneath it?


A large shallow storage area for chart tools. The whole side of the
cabinet beneath also hinges out to reveal a lot of storage. To
starboard is a shelf with a long cover, beneath that is additional
chart stowage. I use a chart book, so that will hold other stuff.
Compared to the C&C 32 there's really more storage than we can use.

RB
35s5
NY

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Interesting... maybe I was thinking of another boat.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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So, what's underneath it?


A large shallow storage area for chart tools. The whole side of the
cabinet beneath also hinges out to reveal a lot of storage. To
starboard is a shelf with a long cover, beneath that is additional
chart stowage. I use a chart book, so that will hold other stuff.
Compared to the C&C 32 there's really more storage than we can use.

RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Interesting... maybe I was thinking of another boat.


You can't afford one!


Regards


Donal
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Can't afford what?

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"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Interesting... maybe I was thinking of another boat.


You can't afford one!


Regards


Donal
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The Proper Nav Station
 

Can't afford what?


A slab of wood with some pensils hidden underneath? I dunno.


RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

Can't afford what?


A slab of wood with some pensils hidden underneath? I dunno.


RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

Donal stopped making sense a long time ago..

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Can't afford what?


A slab of wood with some pensils hidden underneath? I dunno.


RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station for someone that daysails
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Donal stopped making sense a long time ago..

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The original thread is somewhat nonsensical, no? Isn't like bubbles would
need a proper nav station for day sailing LIS, would he? Do you need a
"proper nav station" when you sail a Cal 20 on SF Bay? The only folks that
really need a "proper nav station" are folks that do more navigation than
line of sight day sailing, which is all that bubbles has ever done, and
based on his "steep learning curve", is all that he will ever do. He can
impress the lubbers though, seems to be his forte. Donal's post was quite
appropriate, under the circumstances.

John Cairns

The Proper Nav Station
 

Isn't like bubbles would
need a proper nav station for day sailing LIS, would he?


#1) It remains to be seen how much cruising we'll do.
#2) The thread was about properly sized nav tables, not on who will use
it or how. If I never use it it's still a better nav station than
yours, just like my boat, sitting unused in a wharehouse....is still a
better boat than yours.
#3) Don't you own a Catalina 28, the boat that shows less imagination
of it's owner than even a Catalina 25?



RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station for someone that daysails
 

You're right on. The only time I've used the nav station on the Yamaha 30
was during the teaching of a class.

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"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Donal stopped making sense a long time ago..

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The original thread is somewhat nonsensical, no? Isn't like bubbles would
need a proper nav station for day sailing LIS, would he? Do you need a
"proper nav station" when you sail a Cal 20 on SF Bay? The only folks that
really need a "proper nav station" are folks that do more navigation than
line of sight day sailing, which is all that bubbles has ever done, and
based on his "steep learning curve", is all that he will ever do. He can
impress the lubbers though, seems to be his forte. Donal's post was quite
appropriate, under the circumstances.

John Cairns

The Proper Nav Station for someone that daysails
 

You're right on. The only time I've used the nav station on the Yamaha
30
was during the teaching of a class.


We used the nav station on Alien quite a bit. I used it more as a
writing area when I spent weekends aboard.


RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station for someone that daysails
 

How often did you use beside for writing? Certainly not much I suspect for
an hour or three sail.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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You're right on. The only time I've used the nav station on the Yamaha
30
was during the teaching of a class.


We used the nav station on Alien quite a bit. I used it more as a
writing area when I spent weekends aboard.


RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station for someone that daysails
 

How often did you use beside for writing? Certainly not much I suspect
for
an hour or three sail.

Used it when we went sailing around NY harbor, Thimble Islands, Norwalk
and pretty much any time we took the boat someplace new, like
Centerport or Port Jeff. As a desk it was used often and it's where the
computer was situated as well. A nav station/desk is a nice thing to
have and if we see our long term plans through ours will get plenty of
use over the next 4-5 years. Like the swim platform it's just another
nice thing to have, even better when it's a proper size. The nav table
on Alien, while typical of most boats under 40 feet, was a bit small.


RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station for someone that daysails
 

Actually, I would say that except for day cruising, it's an essential thing
to have.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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How often did you use beside for writing? Certainly not much I suspect
for
an hour or three sail.

Used it when we went sailing around NY harbor, Thimble Islands, Norwalk
and pretty much any time we took the boat someplace new, like
Centerport or Port Jeff. As a desk it was used often and it's where the
computer was situated as well. A nav station/desk is a nice thing to
have and if we see our long term plans through ours will get plenty of
use over the next 4-5 years. Like the swim platform it's just another
nice thing to have, even better when it's a proper size. The nav table
on Alien, while typical of most boats under 40 feet, was a bit small.


RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station for someone that daysails
 

Actually, I would say that except for day cruising, it's an essential
thing
to have.


I agree, but playing the other side of the fence, I have a friend with
a old Galaxy 32. He prefers the fold down dinner table for everything
because it's big. Is it essential? I'm certain that it isn't for most
folks. But it's a classic element of interior design and we all enjoy
seeing it below, especially when done well.


RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station for someone that daysails
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Actually, I would say that except for day cruising, it's an essential
thing
to have.


I agree, but playing the other side of the fence, I have a friend with
a old Galaxy 32. He prefers the fold down dinner table for everything
because it's big. Is it essential? I'm certain that it isn't for most
folks. But it's a classic element of interior design and we all enjoy
seeing it below, especially when done well.


RB
35s5
NY

I think that the chart table is not essential. In most yachts it is not
near the helmsman and is of limited use. Frequently it is not big
enough to use charts on or store charts in. It is often located where
you have to sit on someones head to use it at sea.

I think a good boat has a proper chart stowage area where many charts
can be stowed flat, folded once and not get wet. There should be a
stowage area for books (tide tables, list of light, pilots etc). An
offshore boat should have spot where sights can be worked out with lots
of light and a large table. Coastal navigation and pilotage require the
chart to be handy to the helmsman and in a dry spot. Most people come
up with some neat way of doing that like a large waterproof chart bag
and then use the charts in the cockpit. Some rig up neat plexiglass
covers that let you work right on top in grease pencil. I have never
(except for instruction) seen someone using the bog standard quarter
berth chart table when actually navigating. It simply takes to long to
go up top, take a fix, go below, plot it, and then tell the guy driving
what is going on.

I and most people (I think) prefer to have the chart in hand, with a
plan in a note book or on the chart, a handheld compass or GPS and stand
there at the helm and drive/navigate.

In every boat I have ever been on, the chart table just becomes a place
where stuff accumulates (some of it nav related). Most folks store
charts under bunk mattresses and in places like that.

With a laptop, radar or GPS plotter onboard, the space used by a chart
table can be used for something else. Lets see builders create
innovative spots for that kind of kit that keeps it dry and visible from
the helm in all weather and at all times of the day.

Gaz

The Proper Nav Station for someone that daysails
 

Good points gaz, a nice full size chart table needs to be 37X44".

I like a plexi top and a grease pen myself, with routes pre-drawn in
pencil below.

I perfer to roll charts and stow them above in a rack.

Joe

The Proper Nav Station for someone that daysails
 

That's what I prefer as well. They're handy, but out of the way, and you can
tell what they are with one glance.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Good points gaz, a nice full size chart table needs to be 37X44".

I like a plexi top and a grease pen myself, with routes pre-drawn in
pencil below.

I perfer to roll charts and stow them above in a rack.

Joe

The Proper Nav Station for someone that daysails
 

My cahrt table in my 28' S2 is the cabin sole. Lotsa room and the
tools cant fall any further down. The trick is to do the plotting in
short enough time to not get seasick. Now, with the new Chartkit that
is smaller than the old charts, I may figger out something else. Maybe
a laptop board that holds it so i could use it in the cockpit.

The Proper Nav Station
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote
Have a look at the nav station on the 35s5...

Looks like wasted space too me. A Garmin with map display in the cockpit is
more than adequate for motoring in the LIS. Add a backup GPS driving a laptop
down below for backup on more distant excursions. Get a plastic chart of LIS and
use it for a table cloth in the galley - handier for determining a course than
zooming around on the laptop and you can impress folks by keeping position on it
in grease pencil. Of course if you're into nostalgia .......

The Proper Nav Station
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote
So, what's underneath it?


A large shallow storage area for chart tools.

or a laptop.

The Proper Nav Station
 

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Capt. Rob" wrote
Have a look at the nav station on the 35s5...

Looks like wasted space too me. A Garmin with map display in
the cockpit is
more than adequate for motoring in the LIS.

A Texaco road map would be adequate for what Bubbles does.

SV

The Proper Nav Station
 

A Texaco road map would be adequate for what Bubbles does.


Actually, the City Island diner has Map of the Long Island Sound
place-mats. I stole one and it's even laminated. It says "Not to be
used for navigational purposes" at the bottom, but it works fine.


RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

Not quite, Bob. Happy New Year.



On 3 Jan 2006 06:30:43 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

A Texaco road map would be adequate for what Bubbles does.


Actually, the City Island diner has Map of the Long Island Sound
place-mats. I stole one and it's even laminated. It says "Not to be
used for navigational purposes" at the bottom, but it works fine.


RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

Not quite, Bob. Happy New Year.


Hey, Marc...that you?
Happy new year to you and the wife!
Come for a sail this spring.

RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

Absolutely. Maybe I'll bring the boat up and we'll see what you can
do.


On 3 Jan 2006 07:21:37 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Not quite, Bob. Happy New Year.


Hey, Marc...that you?
Happy new year to you and the wife!
Come for a sail this spring.

RB
35s5
NY

The Proper Nav Station
 

Absolutely. Maybe I'll bring the boat up and we'll see what you can
do.


That would be a lot of fun. I plan to have her ready in early April. I
have to get the rig up and tuned, but other than that she's all set.

RB
35s5
NY