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Swim platforms: The Safer Boat by Design
Swim Platforms: A Matter of Safety
Any way you look at it, a sailboat with a swim platform is a safer vessel by design. Generally viewed as a contrivance of luxury, these platforms have serious merit for the safety conscious. Consider the single handed sailor. Properly tethered to his boat, he may still fall overboard. Have you ever tried to re-board a moving vessel from the water? It can be difficult and may even be impossible, even with a small ladder in reach. With a swim platform a tired sailor will have the best chance to board the boat again. Even a crewed vessel can enjoy the same advantage. If a person falls overboard a very fast retrieval can be made. Several recent MOB fatalities might have been avoided with a platform. Still, the swim platform must be used only when conditions permit. In swells the falling stern can badly injure or even kill the victim before they can be pulled onboard. At anchor the platform also has it's benefits beyond the obvious as an inured swimmer can also be handled with greater ease. Finally, the use of dinghies, and transference of any cargo can be done with a greater degree of safety. The only real liability of the swim platform is that it offers a rescue option that may appear "too easy" and be employed when it shouldn't. MOB drills with and without use of the platform are suggested. So the next time you look at that sexy swim platform and envision it's elements of practical entertainment value, be sure to remember it's added safety benefits as well. Robert B Beneteau First 35s5 NY |
Swim platforms: The Safer Boat by Design
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com... Swim Platforms: A Matter of Safety Any way you look at it, a sailboat with a swim platform is a safer vessel by design. Generally viewed as a contrivance of luxury, these Generally are... platforms have serious merit for the safety conscious. Consider the single handed sailor. Properly tethered to his boat, he may still fall overboard. Have you ever tried to re-board a moving vessel from the water? It can be difficult and may even be impossible, even with a small ladder in reach. With a swim If you're properly tethered, you would never reach the water. platform a tired sailor will have the best chance to board the boat again. Even a crewed vessel can enjoy the same advantage. If a person falls overboard a very fast retrieval can be made. Several recent MOB fatalities might have been avoided with a platform. Still, the swim platform must be used only when conditions permit. In swells the falling stern can badly injure or even kill the victim before they can be pulled onboard. Which is pretty rare, since most MOBs happen when conditions dictate a beam recovery. At anchor the platform also has it's benefits beyond the obvious as an inured swimmer can also be handled with greater ease. Finally, the use of dinghies, and transference of any cargo can be done with a greater degree of safety. The only real liability of the swim platform is that Perhaps, but for distance travel, you have no place to put davits. You have to triail the dinghy, which is a bad idea. it offers a rescue option that may appear "too easy" and be employed when it shouldn't. MOB drills with and without use of the platform are suggested. So the next time you look at that sexy swim platform and envision it's elements of practical entertainment value, be sure to remember it's added safety benefits as well. Robert B Beneteau First 35s5 NY |
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Which is pretty rare, since most MOBs happen when conditions dictate a
beam recovery. And yet Cruising World just had an article where a beam recovery proved impossible and a sailor drowned. Again, the swim platform is an option that MIGHT prove to be a life saver. Perhaps, but for distance travel, you have no place to put davits. You have to triail the dinghy, which is a bad idea. On the LIS, trailing a dinghy works fine and is the prefered method. The clutter and weight of a davits system is unwanted vs. towing a dinghy on occasion. If you're properly tethered, you would never reach the water. Too many cases of too much slack for this to be a viable answer. Again the swim platform option is a plus in the real world. Again, no one is saying the platform is the best way to go, or even the second best. But it can save lives and has done so in the past. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com... Which is pretty rare, since most MOBs happen when conditions dictate a beam recovery. And yet Cruising World just had an article where a beam recovery proved impossible and a sailor drowned. Again, the swim platform is an option that MIGHT prove to be a life saver. Might is the operative word. Perhaps, but for distance travel, you have no place to put davits. You have to triail the dinghy, which is a bad idea. On the LIS, trailing a dinghy works fine and is the prefered method. The clutter and weight of a davits system is unwanted vs. towing a dinghy on occasion. As I said, for distance travel, you have no place to put it. If you're properly tethered, you would never reach the water. Too many cases of too much slack for this to be a viable answer. Again the swim platform option is a plus in the real world. Again, no one is saying the platform is the best way to go, or even the second best. But it can save lives and has done so in the past. Huh? It's not a matter of slack. It's a matter of length. A proper tether will save your life. An improper tether will end it prematurely. |
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Might is the operative word.
Might is a better word than NOT. As I said, the platform is one more option which is better than one less. As I said, for distance travel, you have no place to put it. I can stow it aboard in the locker or place it on the fordeck. It's rolled in that locker now and there's still room for a tea party in there. I also know of folks who tow their dinghies on long cruises. No big deal. It's a matter of length. A proper tether will save your life. An improper tether will end it prematurely. Too much slack was a reference to length. In any case, people make mistakes. And again, the swim platform is one MORE option. Nothing changes that, Jonathan. In a perfect world you don't fall off the boat, you have the tether set correctly, we don't fall off a boat in calm seas, the water is warm, the crew can get a MOB up on the beam....except sometimes none of the above is true. I'll take that swm platform....for it's fun factor, practicality and safety. Now if my boat interior was smaller than other 35 footers with no swim platform I might see another side. But that's not the case. The 35s5 and some others, such as the C&C 99 or C&C 34 XL let you have the cake and eat it too. RB 35s5...a well baked boat! NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com... Might is the operative word. Might is a better word than NOT. As I said, the platform is one more option which is better than one less. Sure, and should is an even more operative word. Most of the time, a swim platform will not be better for MOB recover, and when it's not appropriate, may temp someone to use it. There's nothing wrong with having a swim platform, but to claim that it should be used for an MOB is just wrong-headed. It's easy to say "might" in situations. You might fall off a horse, but the chances of that happening in the next 10 minutes are pretty low. As I said, for distance travel, you have no place to put it. I can stow it aboard in the locker or place it on the fordeck. It's rolled in that locker now and there's still room for a tea party in there. I also know of folks who tow their dinghies on long cruises. No big deal. Actually, it is a big deal for several reasons. If you have to "stow" it that means you'll have to unstow it when you want to use it. I know (well, used to know) folks who shot heroin, but that doesn't make it smart. It's a matter of length. A proper tether will save your life. An improper tether will end it prematurely. Too much slack was a reference to length. In any case, people make mistakes. And again, the swim platform is one MORE option. Nothing changes that, Jonathan. In a perfect world you don't fall off the boat, you have the tether set correctly, we don't fall off a boat in calm seas, the water is warm, the crew can get a MOB up on the beam....except sometimes none of the above is true. I'll take that swm platform....for it's fun factor, practicality and safety. Now if my boat interior was smaller than other 35 footers with no swim platform I might see another side. But that's not the case. The 35s5 and some others, such as the C&C 99 or C&C 34 XL let you have the cake and eat it too. It's a minor option for safety during MOBs. We're not talking about a perfect world. We're talking about being prepared and smart enough to know what to do, so that a MOB is unlikely. For the fun factor and practicality, I have no argument at all. I will even stretch and say that there is some limited safety factor, but not for an MOB. It's not safe for that when an MOB is likely. |
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There's nothing wrong with having a swim
platform, but to claim that it should be used for an MOB is just wrong-headed. Nobody anywhere has said that it should be used as such. I only correctly pointed out that, as in the case of the Comotion rescue of divers, it can work safely. No part of a boat is "safe" unless used properly. Just because some putz might shoot himself in the foot with a flaregun is no reason not to have one aboard. A swim platform can serve as a rescue device in certain rare instances, just like a tether or a flare gun. The difference here is that I know someone who was saved by a platform and there's a recent case of it posted online where three people were saved, so it's a fact...however uncomon. The platform CAN and HAS served as a usable MOB device. Actually, it is a big deal for several reasons. If you have to "stow" it that means you'll have to unstow it when you want to use it. And this is a problem for who? Lots of cruisers stow the dinghy to make better speed. Lighter faster cruisers do best that way. It takes me 15 minutes to inflate the dinghy, less if I use the electric compressor. It's an airdeck so it's fantastic for that. It's a minor option for safety during MOBs. We're not talking about a perfect world. We're talking about being prepared and smart enough to know what to do, so that a MOB is unlikely. I'm sorry, Jonathan. That "minor option" can and HAS saved lives. The crew of Comotion got a medal for it. Last season, some idiot was saved by a platform not far from my club. I guess it would be best if everyone did the exact right things aboard, but as we both know...it's just not reality. Those divers and that guy wouldn't call a platform a "minor option." There's simply no such thing. When it comes to safety you start with the best methods and when those fail, you try every option available. The last could be the one that saves a life. A good case was a fellow who fell off his IP in the slip at Capri. It was March and he was elderly, the cold water hit him fast. Guess what saved him? A swim platform is a MUCH easier way to board a boat from the water. There are plenty of situations where that can become a safety feature. No one's saying it's the best way, but when someone goes overboard I'll take every option available and take none lightly. Sorry, Jonathan. You're simply dead wrong about this, factually and historically. In addition to the case of Comotion, here's yet another rescue using a swim platform...and medal awarded. http://www.ussailing.org/pressreleas...ABHVoyager.htm And the 35s5 swim platform rescue http://www.ussailing.org/Pressreleas...HCommotion.htm RB 35s5 NY |
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Oh..and as a friend recently pointed out....
Many a tired swimmer has been pulled aboard or pulled themselves aboard a swim platform, grateful for the feature. It's actually likely that the swim platform has served as a safety feature countless times. RB 35s5...the safer boat NY |
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But, what you're saying is that this option was a prime consideration in
your purchase of your boat because of its safety feature. Hate to tell you, but I'm dead right... the link below describes a trawler, not a sailboat. He also used a lifesling. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... There's nothing wrong with having a swim platform, but to claim that it should be used for an MOB is just wrong-headed. Nobody anywhere has said that it should be used as such. I only correctly pointed out that, as in the case of the Comotion rescue of divers, it can work safely. No part of a boat is "safe" unless used properly. Just because some putz might shoot himself in the foot with a flaregun is no reason not to have one aboard. A swim platform can serve as a rescue device in certain rare instances, just like a tether or a flare gun. The difference here is that I know someone who was saved by a platform and there's a recent case of it posted online where three people were saved, so it's a fact...however uncomon. The platform CAN and HAS served as a usable MOB device. Actually, it is a big deal for several reasons. If you have to "stow" it that means you'll have to unstow it when you want to use it. And this is a problem for who? Lots of cruisers stow the dinghy to make better speed. Lighter faster cruisers do best that way. It takes me 15 minutes to inflate the dinghy, less if I use the electric compressor. It's an airdeck so it's fantastic for that. It's a minor option for safety during MOBs. We're not talking about a perfect world. We're talking about being prepared and smart enough to know what to do, so that a MOB is unlikely. I'm sorry, Jonathan. That "minor option" can and HAS saved lives. The crew of Comotion got a medal for it. Last season, some idiot was saved by a platform not far from my club. I guess it would be best if everyone did the exact right things aboard, but as we both know...it's just not reality. Those divers and that guy wouldn't call a platform a "minor option." There's simply no such thing. When it comes to safety you start with the best methods and when those fail, you try every option available. The last could be the one that saves a life. A good case was a fellow who fell off his IP in the slip at Capri. It was March and he was elderly, the cold water hit him fast. Guess what saved him? A swim platform is a MUCH easier way to board a boat from the water. There are plenty of situations where that can become a safety feature. No one's saying it's the best way, but when someone goes overboard I'll take every option available and take none lightly. Sorry, Jonathan. You're simply dead wrong about this, factually and historically. In addition to the case of Comotion, here's yet another rescue using a swim platform...and medal awarded. http://www.ussailing.org/pressreleas...ABHVoyager.htm And the 35s5 swim platform rescue http://www.ussailing.org/Pressreleas...HCommotion.htm RB 35s5 NY |
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But, what you're saying is that this option was a prime consideration
in your purchase of your boat because of its safety feature. NEVER EVER did I post such a thing, Jonathan. I like the swim platform mainly because they are a ton of fun, especially for the kids. In fact...in every response to you I've stated that in NO WAY is the platform a prime safety feature. Yet history shows it has been used again and again to save lives and obviously many times not recorded. It's silly to argue otherwise. No one is suggesting the platform be used instead of SOP, only that a swim platform COULD and HAS been a viable option. That gives a 35s5 one more way to save a life in experienced hands. Hate to tell you, but I'm dead right... the link below describes a trawler, not a sailboat. He also used a lifesling. This is getting pretty silly. Trawler, sailboat or Multihull....the swim platform CAN and HAS saved lives. Using it with a lifesling doesn't mean they were able to get the victim aboard without the platform. Clearly they did what worked, which meant using the sling COMBINED with the platform. You're just not making any sense. It's as if you're pretending that I'm saying the platform is the best MOB device, which I never said or implied anywhere. You can't argue with history. Or you can...but not with me. Here's another rescue...keep in mind that the swim platform should never be used during a passive recovery of course. http://www.ussailing.org/safety/Resc...01_erie_oh.htm History, Jonathan. The swim platform HAS saved lives. Is it the best course of action? No one has said that it is. Hell...the swim platform can even save your dog!!!! http://www.pembrokecorgi.org/art_boating.html RB 35s5...the safer boat NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ps.com... NEVER EVER did I post such a thing, Jonathan. I like the swim platform mainly because they are a ton of fun, especially for the kids. Kids really don't like playing in water over their heads until they are SEVERAL years old. So how are you going to back that pig up to the shore? Are you going to tow them in some type of tube behind the boat? Amen! |
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Ok. I stand corrected. However, claiming that it has been used again and
again to "save lives" is a gross exaggeration. I don't think it's silly at all. It seems like a pretty important discussion... especially if someone is mislead into thinking that a swim platform is position of choice to recover someone from the water in all but the most benign conditions. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ps.com... But, what you're saying is that this option was a prime consideration in your purchase of your boat because of its safety feature. NEVER EVER did I post such a thing, Jonathan. I like the swim platform mainly because they are a ton of fun, especially for the kids. In fact...in every response to you I've stated that in NO WAY is the platform a prime safety feature. Yet history shows it has been used again and again to save lives and obviously many times not recorded. It's silly to argue otherwise. No one is suggesting the platform be used instead of SOP, only that a swim platform COULD and HAS been a viable option. That gives a 35s5 one more way to save a life in experienced hands. Hate to tell you, but I'm dead right... the link below describes a trawler, not a sailboat. He also used a lifesling. This is getting pretty silly. Trawler, sailboat or Multihull....the swim platform CAN and HAS saved lives. Using it with a lifesling doesn't mean they were able to get the victim aboard without the platform. Clearly they did what worked, which meant using the sling COMBINED with the platform. You're just not making any sense. It's as if you're pretending that I'm saying the platform is the best MOB device, which I never said or implied anywhere. You can't argue with history. Or you can...but not with me. Here's another rescue...keep in mind that the swim platform should never be used during a passive recovery of course. http://www.ussailing.org/safety/Resc...01_erie_oh.htm History, Jonathan. The swim platform HAS saved lives. Is it the best course of action? No one has said that it is. Hell...the swim platform can even save your dog!!!! http://www.pembrokecorgi.org/art_boating.html RB 35s5...the safer boat NY |
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especially if someone is mislead into thinking that a swim
platform is position of choice to recover someone from the water in all but the most benign conditions. Benign conditions, especially in very cold water, have led to deaths. So we can agree than in certain conditions a swim platform MIGHT come in handy...which is all I ever said. Still, I know someone who would have died without one. RB 35s5 NY |
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Kids really don't like playing in water over their heads until they are
SEVERAL years old. Ever hear of flotation devices and water swimming aids for children? Ever see toddler and infant swimming lessons? The water is over their heads. My best friend's 1 year old daughter had a blast in deep water last summer. Stop making dumb stuff up! You were right about the Sea lions though. RB 35s5 NY |
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But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... especially if someone is mislead into thinking that a swim platform is position of choice to recover someone from the water in all but the most benign conditions. Benign conditions, especially in very cold water, have led to deaths. So we can agree than in certain conditions a swim platform MIGHT come in handy...which is all I ever said. Still, I know someone who would have died without one. RB 35s5 NY |
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But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might
be cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely. I don't agree with that, Jonathan. The ONLY time I went overboard is when it was calm. I was of my guard. I've seen more people go overboard in calm conditions. Sailing hard, folks usually hang on for dear life. It's those easy days that send surprised crew over the side, close to home. In cold water a dumb accident like that could be your last if you can't get back on board easily. I have a few friends who sail the winter here. One has a swim platform....the other doesn't. The one without leaves his lightly tied with a line that can he can easily pull from the water. But the boat with the platform is safer. RB 35s5 NY |
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Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:46:32 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might be cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely. Actually a very large number of MOB's happen in very quiet conditions in the middle of the night. A lot of drowned sailors are recovered with their pants unzipped. Commodore Joe Redcloud Urban myth! |
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Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:01:09 GMT, Gary wrote: Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:46:32 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might be cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely. Actually a very large number of MOB's happen in very quiet conditions in the middle of the night. A lot of drowned sailors are recovered with their pants unzipped. Commodore Joe Redcloud Urban myth! Not at all. Commodore Joe Redcloud Find an authority that makes the "open fly" claim. It's pure bull. |
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Hey Nutsy,
Just as a matter of information; Just how many times have you boarded a boat from the water using a swim platform? http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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Thanks Gary,
I was just about to post the same thing about the " unzipped fly myth." http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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If it happened in cold water, or while alone, its more
serious. In the cases above, it was cause for a lot of teasing for a long time afterward, but no one died. ... It's happened on the LIS a few times. People go over in cold water, but on a calm day and can't get back on board. It's a really sad way to go....a swim platform or at least a reachable ladder can save a life. I've heard that in some cases at night it was call of nature, but it's generally a word of mouth story. I doubt families would be interested in releasing such a detail. RB 35s5 NY |
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Come on Bob. If you're going to troll, at least try and sound reasonable.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might be cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely. I don't agree with that, Jonathan. The ONLY time I went overboard is when it was calm. I was of my guard. I've seen more people go overboard in calm conditions. Sailing hard, folks usually hang on for dear life. It's those easy days that send surprised crew over the side, close to home. In cold water a dumb accident like that could be your last if you can't get back on board easily. I have a few friends who sail the winter here. One has a swim platform....the other doesn't. The one without leaves his lightly tied with a line that can he can easily pull from the water. But the boat with the platform is safer. RB 35s5 NY |
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In your case, I'm sure that's true.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:46:32 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might be cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely. Actually a very large number of MOB's happen in very quiet conditions in the middle of the night. A lot of drowned sailors are recovered with their pants unzipped. Commodore Joe Redcloud |
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Just as a matter of information; Just how many times have you boarded
a boat from the water using a swim platform? Last summer we had our first exposure to swim platforms on three boats: A Catalina 400, Catalina 34 and the 35s5. I did not swim off the 35s5, but others did. We really liked it and it's an obvious bonus for kids. Suzanne said it was the best spot on the boat, letting her feet drag in the water (slowing us down). I don't know about that, but it's certainly a fun feature for swimming and feeding the ducks. On the 400 we boarded from a dinghy and WOW! was that ever easier, even in chop. After a season with the boat I'll let you know how much use it got. RB 35s5...and a hell of nice swim platform! NY |
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You really need to take a long look at your life and where it went so
wrong. You are one of the most habitually hostile people I have ever encountered in usenet. That's quite an accomplishment. Oh, C'mon! Look at poor Sloco. That poor guy is so angry it's comical. Ganzy gets ****ed from time to time, but he's an okay fella. RB 35s5...a calm boat NY |
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Yeah, it's all me. I mean, it's all you. Whatever.. you're a joke.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:56:06 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: In your case, I'm sure that's true. You really need to take a long look at your life and where it went so wrong. You are one of the most habitually hostile people I have ever encountered in usenet. That's quite an accomplishment. Commodore Joe Redcloud |
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Here's a portion of Commode Joe's session with his therapist...
Commode says, "Hey doc, you know how we have been talking about Freudian slips? Well, I had the most amazing one last night. I was eating dinner with my mother, and I meant to say, `please pass the salt,' but instead I said, `You ****ing bitch, you ruined my life.'" -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:57:16 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: You all need to defer to Commode Joe's expertise on the subject of unzipped flies. You are a very angry person Jon. Get help. Commodore Joe Redcloud |
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Just to follow up... check the latest Cruising World. There's a discussion
about MOBs, but the point of interest for you would be the pictures of the Beneteau 393 with swim platform. They're practiciing MOBs and picking them up on the side in very modest conditions. The method discussed in the text highlighted picking people up on the beam on the leeward side. In the recent MOB symposium out here, every senior instructor present, without exception, used the side of the boat for recovery. In fact, one of the guys was asked about swim platforms, and he said that's what they should be used for "not for MOBs, no way, don't do it." -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might be cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely. I don't agree with that, Jonathan. The ONLY time I went overboard is when it was calm. I was of my guard. I've seen more people go overboard in calm conditions. Sailing hard, folks usually hang on for dear life. It's those easy days that send surprised crew over the side, close to home. In cold water a dumb accident like that could be your last if you can't get back on board easily. I have a few friends who sail the winter here. One has a swim platform....the other doesn't. The one without leaves his lightly tied with a line that can he can easily pull from the water. But the boat with the platform is safer. RB 35s5 NY |
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Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:59:04 -0800, (Thom Stewart) wrote: Thanks Gary, I was just about to post the same thing about the " unzipped fly myth." It's almost certain that if you are ever a MOB, you'll be recovered with your zipper down, Thom. Meanwhile, when I was much younger, I had two occasions where I had to pull somebody back onboard while at anchor because they fell overboard while answering the call of nature. It's a pretty common accident, although it isn't always a fatality. If it happened in cold water, or while alone, its more serious. In the cases above, it was cause for a lot of teasing for a long time afterward, but no one died. There is no way to say it is a myth, since I doubt there is a central record kept. I think it's extremely safe to say it has happened many times, and some times it has been fatal. I know of one case in Stamford, CT that was a fatality, so that automatically takes it out of the "myth" category. The guy was a liveaboard, and it was early spring. He was alone and the water was so cold that he ran out of steam before being able to rescue himself. His fly was open when he was recovered. Commodore Joe Redcloud I think they fall over and as they see their life flashing before their eyes they figure they have one more wank. |
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`You ****ing
bitch, you ruined my life.'" Okay, now THAT sounds angry. Take a chill pill, guys. It's a new wonderful year of sailing fun. RB 35s5 NY |
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Bob, it was a paraphrase of a joke on rec.humor.funny.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... `You ****ing bitch, you ruined my life.'" Okay, now THAT sounds angry. Take a chill pill, guys. It's a new wonderful year of sailing fun. RB 35s5 NY |
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Yuck!
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Kids really don't like playing in water over their heads until they are SEVERAL years old. They can grab on to a floating turd and drift in. RB 35s5 the limo version of the Mac26X |
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"Commode Joe " wrote A lot of drowned sailors are recovered with their pants unzipped. Commode Joe Urban myth! Not at all. Happens all the time on my boat. Commode Joe I'm sure it does. SV |
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"Commode Joe" wrote I know of the details in that case, I'm the one who pulled his zipper down. I fell off my dock several years ago BWAHaHahahahahahahaha What a klutz! S |
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fell off my dock several years ago while trying to do someting that
really required two people. I lost my balance and made a step into air. Happens a lot, even to experienced folks. In fact it happened to a friend of mine who owns the Tayana 48 while he was installing rubber molding to his slip. The water was too cold and he barely made it back to shore. Had his Tayana been in the slip, he could have easily gotten aboard via the platform. RB 35s5...the safer boat! NY |
Swim platforms: The Safer Boat by Design
fell off my dock several years ago while trying to do someting that
really required two people. I lost my balance and made a step into air. Happens a lot, even to experienced folks. In fact it happened to a friend of mine who owns the Tayana 48 while he was installing rubber molding to his slip. The water was too cold and he barely made it back to shore. Had his Tayana been in the slip, he could have easily gotten aboard via the platform. RB 35s5...the safer boat! NY |
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