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Maxprop wrote:
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Everyone asks that question. By standard routes maybe Pyramid,
Wetterhorn,
The Bells, Crestone Needle. I think rotted rock makes it more dangerous
(hence "challenging"), it depends on what one considers a challenge.


The rotten rock of North Maroon Peak will kill you about as quickly as
anything. I took a nasty fall on South Maroon once--had to be evac'd by
the local Aspen climbing rescue dudes. Three broken bones and a
concussion. I was even wearing a helmet. They said I was very lucky to
be alive.

Max




I am finding it interesting that so many of you are also climbers as well
as sailors. It seems that the search for the adrenaline rush knows no
bounds.

Anyone run whitewater?

Sorry. We have sea kayaks and do fla****er mostly, but I'm getting more
proficient in the surf.

Max

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Bob Crantz wrote:
http://www.jerberyd.com/climbing/climbers/messner/



Impressive but check out Ellen. Remember she's only 28 and she holds
every long distance solo sailing record. Her feats are the subject of
many studies. Her minimum sleep needs are incredible.

And she does it all alone, for months at a time.

Messner crossed Antartica on foot in 92 days, 2800 kilometers, -60F carrying
all his gear including 200 km in crampons across an icefall. (Messner was in
his 50's and has only 1/2 of a foot).

How much has Ellen sailed in those temperatures?

Ellen has bested by hours and days what others have already done before her.
She relies heavily on new technology. Yes, she has set new records and is a
great competitive sailor.


Messner did the impossible.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Everyone asks that question. By standard routes maybe Pyramid,
Wetterhorn,
The Bells, Crestone Needle. I think rotted rock makes it more dangerous
(hence "challenging"), it depends on what one considers a challenge.

The rotten rock of North Maroon Peak will kill you about as quickly as
anything. I took a nasty fall on South Maroon once--had to be evac'd by
the
local Aspen climbing rescue dudes. Three broken bones and a concussion.
I
was even wearing a helmet. They said I was very lucky to be alive.

Max

I fell on South Maroon also. I skidded down an ice field from the summit
towards the east. I went quite a ways but finally arrested. I was really
close to getting killed, another 30 feet was a cliff. Those two peaks kill
people regularly. We had just done the traverse.

Amen!

The Bells look so harmless and relatively easy from the lake, but they are
among the most treacherous peaks in Colorado. Most people would be
well-advised to simply photograph them. I won't attempt to climb either
peak again. However I would like to do Pyramid some day.

Max

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Maxprop wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message
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Bob Crantz wrote:

"Maxprop" wrote in message

We did 32 Fourteeners before moving out of Colorado, including Elbert,
Massive, and Harvard. Our intent was to do them all, but we ran out of
time. Oddly enough we only experienced electrical activity on Evans
and
Uncompahgre. On Umcompahgre we saw a teen get struck and killed. He
was
fascinated by his long hair standing straight out from his head. We

yelled


at him to get the *%&$*& off the peak, but he just ignored us. We did
Gray's and Torrey's in the snow, same day as most folks do. I was a
pro

ski


patrolman at Breckenridge at the time, and part of our training was
mountaineering, which included climbing and skiing crud in untouched
snowfields. We climbed three Fourteeners to their peaks during our
training.


Have you skied Quandary?

Amen!



I climbed Quandary. That's the one right beside Breck, right. I didn't
ski it though. Summer climb.


Same here. I don't recall anyone skiing it back then, at least no one I
knew. Today however there is almost no limit to what folks will try.
The accessible approaches to Quandary's summit are seriously steep, IIRC.
It's been a while.

Max
Have you ever heard of the Three Peaks Yacht Race?

http://www.sleepmonsters.co.uk/site_3peaks/index.php3

Its a brilliant idea for a different race. The topography here on
Vancouver Island and on the Sunshine Coast is right for a similar event.
What a blast it would be.

Too old for that sort of thing now.

Max

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Quandary to the NE is a big ramp. Real popular for helicopter skiing. I've
skied it about 4 times.

Check out the run he

http://www.14ers.com/photos/Quandary...ndarypeak.html

Nice photos. Looks the same as when I was there 30 years ago. The face we
generally see is the south one, from Hoosier Pass. And it's very steep
there--steeper than I'd care to ski at my age.

Max

"Gary" wrote
I am finding it interesting that so many of you are also climbers as
well as sailors. It seems that the search for the adrenaline rush knows
no bounds.


Yes it does. If it were all about 'adrenaline rush' then
more people would sit at home shooting up adrenaline.

Anyone run whitewater?


Yep

Bob Crantz wrote:
I do a little whitewater. I'm not into climbing for the adrenaline rush. If
anything I try to avoid it.

That's wise.

... My attraction to climbing, especially
mountaineering, is the self reliance, the fitness level required, the broad
skillset required and the seriousness of judgement.

What about the beauty? Gaining a viewpoint of the world
around you that is rare & refined?

... I've seen the
adrenaline junkies get busted up real good on Mt. Edith Cavell in Canada.

Thrill-seeking for it's own sake usually comes to a bad end.

Sailing is similar to mountaineering except there is little requirement for
fitness.

Depends on what kind of boat you sail, and under what
conditions.

Sailors don't have to lug a week or more worth of gear
plus wet
climbing ropes up and down glacial valley walls on their back.

True. But then, it's also said that brains are better than
brawn


.... The closest sailors come to true suffering
is here on this newsgroup, listening to Capt RB all day.


Does anybody actually read more than 1/4 of his posts?

DSK

Bob Crantz wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message
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Bob Crantz wrote:

http://www.jerberyd.com/climbing/climbers/messner/




Impressive but check out Ellen. Remember she's only 28 and she holds
every long distance solo sailing record. Her feats are the subject of
many studies. Her minimum sleep needs are incredible.

And she does it all alone, for months at a time.


Messner crossed Antartica on foot in 92 days, 2800 kilometers, -60F carrying
all his gear including 200 km in crampons across an icefall. (Messner was in
his 50's and has only 1/2 of a foot).

How much has Ellen sailed in those temperatures?

Ellen has bested by hours and days what others have already done before her.
She relies heavily on new technology. Yes, she has set new records and is a
great competitive sailor.


Messner did the impossible.


Not impossible, obviously. They are cut from similar cloth.

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Everyone asks that question. By standard routes maybe Pyramid,
Wetterhorn,
The Bells, Crestone Needle. I think rotted rock makes it more
dangerous
(hence "challenging"), it depends on what one considers a challenge.

The rotten rock of North Maroon Peak will kill you about as quickly as
anything. I took a nasty fall on South Maroon once--had to be evac'd
by
the
local Aspen climbing rescue dudes. Three broken bones and a
concussion.
I
was even wearing a helmet. They said I was very lucky to be alive.

Max

I fell on South Maroon also. I skidded down an ice field from the summit
towards the east. I went quite a ways but finally arrested. I was really
close to getting killed, another 30 feet was a cliff. Those two peaks
kill
people regularly. We had just done the traverse.

Amen!

The Bells look so harmless and relatively easy from the lake, but they are
among the most treacherous peaks in Colorado. Most people would be
well-advised to simply photograph them. I won't attempt to climb either
peak again. However I would like to do Pyramid some day.

Max


It's funny as you get a little older you think twice about what you would
jump at when you were younger. I'd climb them again, but only if in top
form.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
"Gary" wrote
I am finding it interesting that so many of you are also climbers as
well as sailors. It seems that the search for the adrenaline rush knows
no bounds.


Yes it does. If it were all about 'adrenaline rush' then
more people would sit at home shooting up adrenaline.

Anyone run whitewater?


Yep

Bob Crantz wrote:
I do a little whitewater. I'm not into climbing for the adrenaline rush.
If
anything I try to avoid it.

That's wise.

It's also not the point of it.



... My attraction to climbing, especially
mountaineering, is the self reliance, the fitness level required, the
broad
skillset required and the seriousness of judgement.

What about the beauty? Gaining a viewpoint of the world
around you that is rare & refined?

That's icing on the cake. I've gotten to the tops of things in the fog, at
night are so exhausted I never really looked around. Most times it's great
scenery.




... I've seen the
adrenaline junkies get busted up real good on Mt. Edith Cavell in
Canada.

Thrill-seeking for it's own sake usually comes to a bad end.

Thrill seekers should stick to carnival rides.



Sailing is similar to mountaineering except there is little requirement
for
fitness.

Depends on what kind of boat you sail, and under what
conditions.

Of course. Those Olympic sailors train quite hard. How many here can do 300
situps like they do?



Sailors don't have to lug a week or more worth of gear
plus wet
climbing ropes up and down glacial valley walls on their back.

True. But then, it's also said that brains are better than
brawn

Brawn is a last resort.



.... The closest sailors come to true suffering
is here on this newsgroup, listening to Capt RB all day.


Does anybody actually read more than 1/4 of his posts?

If anyone reads 1/4 of his posts, that is true suffering.

Amen

Merry Christmas Doug to you and yours!


DSK