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Thats what Robert Broady is saying. To bad he has to use his foul
puppet to do so.

Joe

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Prisons are training grounds for criminals
where they learn how to rob, cheat, steel,
and evade police.

"Thom Stewart" wrote
I thought our Prisons purpose was to reform.

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Yeah, I didn't have a great time either... got a couple of undeserved
thashings, the worst of which was a dowel rod to the back of my legs, but
then told the person who did it to f*ck off and never went back. Amazingly,
my parents sided with me.

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"Scout" wrote in message
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When I see a nun, I think "child abuser"
The priests have managed to overshadow the vicious beatings we took as
kids in catholic classrooms. I'm not just talking a slap on the wrist, but
violent thrashings for minor infractions. I took a few myself, although my
wife might argue that they straightened me out. Almost lost my hearing
thanks to Sister Rose Marie. She needed some serious anger management.
Scout


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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I can't help it now... every time I see a priest, I think "child
molester."

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message

Errr... if you're a guy and you like young boys, I would think that
would qualify as being gay. But you seem to have some inside knowledge.
g

No inside knowledge needed. One only has to read the papers and watch
TV. The Roman Catholic Church has been most "entertaining."

Max

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Absolutely correct! Therefore, we should strive to eliminate prisons, and
certainly we should not build more of them. We need to prevent people from
committing crimes to begin with.

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"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
Prisons are training grounds for criminals
where they learn how to rob, cheat, steel,
and evade police.

"Thom Stewart" wrote
I thought our Prisons purpose was to reform.

Bye Bye Tookie
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message

Actually, we know quite well how to prevent good guys from going bad. We
just don't avail ourselves of the opportunity.

Okay, I'll bite. How do we do that?

Max

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"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:25:23 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:40:12 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

All pretense of reform was dropped many years ago. We can reform people
if
we spent some time and money on the problem. However, instead, we're
spending our money elsewhere.

For what it costs to keep someone in a federal prison, you could send
them
to
Harvard for the same period of time. When they get out of Harvard, they
could
find a job that pays a lot more than being a punk crook or low level
drug
dealer.

So what you're saying is that if you wish to attend Harvard, don't waste
time studying your ass off, achieving excellent grades and accumulating
academic awards? Rather just break into a store and steal something?

Max


You are apparently on an intellectual par with Sloco. I never suggested
sending
convicted criminals to Harvard. I merely pointed out that a very high
quality
education was less expensive than keeping someone in prison.

Perhaps you simply have no ability to make your points concise and
understandable. Of course it's always easier to blame everyone but yourself
for the misperception.

The problem in the
US is that people think providing a good education is too expensive and
raises
their taxes.

Really? Is that why local, state, and the federal governments throw copious
amounts of money indiscriminatly and ineffectively at education?

My feeling is that if we gave kids the absolutely best education
possible, rather than the half-hearted system we have now, there would be
fewer
candidates for prison, and our net cost would be lower.

Not even close. Unless you have kids that *want* an education, you're
barking up a tree in the wrong forest. The solution must begin at home,
where kids have to be instilled with the desire to be educated, and
convinced that an education is critical to their future well-being. Of
course if their parent(s) is/are clueless to these issues, the kid will be
similarly clueless. The state requires the kid to attend school, which
he/she hates and wants nothing more than to avoid. It can be the best, most
innovative and efficient educational program in existence, but futile if the
kid isn't interested.

Prevent the problem up front, instead of trying to patch it afterwards.

That's always the best concept, but you've got the methods all wrong.

Max

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I think it starts, as you said, with instilling the desire to learn in kids
from their parents. So, part of it is to try and keep families together, or
if that's not possible, ensure that single parents have enough bandwidth to
help their kids and still earn a decent wage.

We need to pay teachers more, since this will attract better teachers. We
need to test kids, but not put the emphasis of teaching to the test.

Of course, all this smacks of socialism, but actually it makes good business
sense.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message

Actually, we know quite well how to prevent good guys from going bad. We
just don't avail ourselves of the opportunity.

Okay, I'll bite. How do we do that?

Max

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Maxprop wrote:
My logic is fine, despite your disagreement.

Hurling insults and repeating oneself endlessly is not
"logic." Did you go to public schools?

DSK

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"Capt. JG" wrote in ...
I think it starts, as you said, with instilling the desire to
learn in kids
from their parents. So, part of it is to try and keep families
together,


Right, there should be laws against single parenting, and homo's
rearing kids.



We need to pay teachers more, since this will attract better
teachers. We
need to test kids, but not put the emphasis of teaching to the
test.


I agree, double their salaries NOW!



Of course, all this smacks of socialism, but actually it makes
good business
sense.


Socialism or liberalism? Same-same.

Scotty

Bye Bye Tookie
 

I think it starts, as you said, with instilling the desire to
learn in kids
from their parents. So, part of it is to try and keep families
together,


Scotty wrote:
Right, there should be laws against single parenting, and homo's
rearing kids.


Nah, we don't need more laws. We should just stone them...
or maybe burn them.





We need to pay teachers more, since this will attract better
teachers. We
need to test kids, but not put the emphasis of teaching to the
test.


How would you avoid this?


I agree, double their salaries NOW!


The funny thing is, liberals act as though we're not already
spending a lot of money on schools; many (perhaps most)
conservatives act as though most teachers decided to become
teachers as a 'get-rich-quick' scheme.






Of course, all this smacks of socialism, but actually it makes
good business
sense.



Socialism or liberalism? Same-same.


It's all communism, comrade.

DSK