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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:55:13 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
scribbled thusly:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...toryid=2005-12
-08T171212Z_01_RID850121_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-IRAN-AHMADINEJAD.xml&rpc=22

From the article.
"Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust
occurred but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the
creation of Israel and continued Western support for it."

Many, me included are just a tad sick of the unforgiving nature of the
holocaust survivors and jews in general.
They are similar to those who still think Japan is run by the same
people who initiated war in the 40's.

The jews are professional victims. They play the holocaust thing for all its
worth. Other groups have been persecuted too, but they moved on.

Time marches on....

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I don't agree at all. It's hard to forget or forgive after an attempt at
genocide. The only way to prevent something like this from happening again
is to make sure no one forgets.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:55:13 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
scribbled thusly:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...JAD.xml&rpc=22

From the article.
"Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust
occurred but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the
creation of Israel and continued Western support for it."

Many, me included are just a tad sick of the unforgiving nature of the
holocaust survivors and jews in general.
They are similar to those who still think Japan is run by the same
people who initiated war in the 40's.

Time marches on....

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:35:53 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
said:

Other groups have been persecuted too, but they moved on.

For you, Bob, I'd recommend a trip to the small white monument outside the
cathedral standing opposite Santa Sophia in Kiev. The sole inscription is
"1932." Ask any one of the residents of Kiev what the inscription means.

and FDR negotiated half of Europe away to that man. more people were
enslaved under totalitarian regimes after ww2 than before. whose side was
fdr under anyway?

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:43:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:

I don't agree at all. It's hard to forget or forgive after an attempt at
genocide. The only way to prevent something like this from happening again
is to make sure no one forgets.

Or keep reminding people until they get thoroughly ****ed off and
start torewrite history?

Why would you think that? Besides, folks have been trying to re-write the
history from day one, practically.

"those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

Haunting words in this day and age.

John Cairns

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:43:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:

I don't agree at all. It's hard to forget or forgive after an attempt at
genocide. The only way to prevent something like this from happening
again
is to make sure no one forgets.

Or keep reminding people until they get thoroughly ****ed off and
start torewrite history?

Why would you think that? Besides, folks have been trying to re-write the
history from day one, practically.

"those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.
We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of
Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in
Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would
cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards
withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will bum,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return.

"those who do learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"

Haunting words in this day and age.

John Cairns

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

So OZ keeps burning his finger?

I agree the new leader in Iran is big trouble.
He's worse than the Ayatolla of the late 70's.

Joe

There are a number of groups that have been trying to do that since the war
ended. It doesn't work.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:43:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:

I don't agree at all. It's hard to forget or forgive after an attempt at
genocide. The only way to prevent something like this from happening again
is to make sure no one forgets.

Or keep reminding people until they get thoroughly ****ed off and
start torewrite history?

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Leave it to Oz to astound people.

Joe

People forget about what happend to the Poles which
was equally as bad. One could argue it was worse
since many more Poles died than Jews.

They also forget to the fact that the allies handed over Poland
to Russia, after pledging to restore Poland to the many
ex-patriot Poles that fought hard in WWII in the Battle of Britain.

OzOne wrote
"Bob Crantz"
scribbled thusly:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...JAD.xml&rpc=22

From the article.
"Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust
occurred but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the
creation of Israel and continued Western support for it."

Many, me included are just a tad sick of the unforgiving nature of the
holocaust survivors and jews in general.
They are similar to those who still think Japan is run by the same
people who initiated war in the 40's.

Time marches on....

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

Never forget, never forget........

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:43:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"

scribbled thusly:

I don't agree at all. It's hard to forget or forgive after an
attempt at
genocide. The only way to prevent something like this from
happening again
is to make sure no one forgets.

Or keep reminding people until they get thoroughly ****ed off
and
start torewrite history?

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...JAD.xml&rpc=22

Funny, I always thought it was whoever happened to be running the House of
Saud.

http://www.nationalreview.com/interr...tory111802.asp

Guess it's kinda difficult to point a finger at someone that has you by the
short hairs.

John Cairns

Dave.... are you a Jew???

CM

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:42:48 -0500, "Bart Senior" .@. said:

People forget about what happend to the Poles which
was equally as bad. One could argue it was worse
since many more Poles died than Jews.

Not quite accurate, Bart. Approximately 6 million Poles, including both
Jews
and Christians, were killed. Approximately half of the 6 million Poles
were
Jews. These numbers exclude the additional 3 million Jews transported from
Hungary, the Czech Republic and elsewhere in Europe, so about half as many
Christian Poles were murdered as Polish and non-Polish Jews. And in terms
of
percentages of the populations the numbers are nowhere near comparable.

That said, few who have visited Auschwitz will forget the photos of the
many
Poles and other Slavs on the walls.

Look Dave.... the world sucks if you can't adapt and go with the flow!
Celts got slaughtered by Romans
Jews got Slaughtered by Germans
Indians got Slaughtered by Cowboys
Witches got burned at the stake
.... and right now we let half the global population starve....

Big Deal!?

No!!..... we have an abundance of humans... your religion is of no
consequence!

CM

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:03:21 +1100, OzOne said:

What was the religion of the American Indian...Oh yeah, that's right,
they were heathens...even better excuse....

Still trying to play the game of pointing at other bad behavior, are we?

OzOne wrote in message
Genocide is never a good thing...

WHY???

CM

OzOne wrote in message
Genocide is never a good thing...
WHY???
Because it attracts the flys!

So do Cheesy Cliches....

Now ...... is Genocide worse than Mass Homocide??

Is War ...Mass Homocide? .... or Genocide?

Is Terorisim a viable strategy to Imperialism?

What is "The Balance of Judgement"??

....and what is a Healthy Sustainable Population of Humans on this planet
Earth???

BTW... Why did you scrotum lickin' Aussies tow the Yankee Line when ordered
to do so? It's a simple word...."NO!

Canada...."We tried to tell'em...." !!!!!

Australia...."We do what we're told..."??????

CM

Because they had scrotums and you canooks don't.

Joe

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote
People forget about what happend to the Poles which
was equally as bad. One could argue it was worse
since many more Poles died than Jews.

They also forget to the fact that the allies handed over Poland
to Russia, after pledging to restore Poland to the many
ex-patriot Poles that fought hard in WWII in the Battle of Britain.

True, maybe, but many Poles were Nazi sympathisers who helped round up Jews
and others.

OzOne wrote
I was referring to the slaughter of entire nations...as a matter of
official policy.

I doubt that was ever the case with Americn Indians. Brits saw America as
essentially empty, and it was from a Euro viewpoint. The Indians, who's
culture demanded alot of space, saw it as already too crowded and once it
became apparent the settlers planned to stay, attacked them to drive them
out. That began generations of fighting but AFAIK there was never any
official policy of extermination equivalent to Nazi policy toward Jews. The
policy, bad enough, was to restrict them to reservations.

If I had offered to buy a cubic mile of space a mile above your land back in
1850, you'd have thot me mad but may have taken my money. Then when I
fenced it off, blocking your view, you'd have been angry. Similar thing
happened to Indians. It never occurred to them that an individual could own
land any more than it's ocurr to a 19th century Euro that a man could own a
mile of space. So when Whitey fenced his new purchase the young bucks cut
his fence leading to confrontation.

It didn't help that the French then the Brits enlisted indians to help fight
their wars, creating a backlash among American civilians.

So nothing has changed in Oz?
OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:08:03 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
scribbled thusly:

Ahhh, so a policy that restricted Indians to reservations when they
roamed free, declaring acts that were part of their culture criminal
causing people who had never seen a solid wall to be caged, and
delivering infected blankets has nothing to do with genocide?

Interesting.

Yeah! Nothing like that ever happened to the aborigines of Oz!

Commodore Joe Redcloud

Bwaaahhahahahahahahahahhahahaaa!
Nah, It didn't.
Back then, they were just plain old shot!

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote
Ahhh, so a policy that restricted Indians to reservations when they
roamed free, declaring acts that were part of their culture criminal
causing people who had never seen a solid wall to be caged, and
delivering infected blankets has nothing to do with genocide?

No. Purely cultural clash. For example, in their culture, if I could steal
your horse and get x miles away it became my horse and you had to steal it
back - all a big game. But Cowboys didn't play fair - they lynched horse
thieves! In indian culture unused property became everybody's property. My
twice great grandfather built a winter house in a protected draw. Upon
returning to Summer House one spring he found it occupied by indians, who he
promptly killed. Right/wrong? Genesis says God forbid us to contemplate
that.

Indians willing to accept Euro culture were and are more or less welcome in
mainstream America. In fact my employer is a tribe. The owners, mostly
college grads, wear business suits or, more likely, jeans when in the
office. If an Indian wants to live as his ancestors then he has to do it on
a reservation designed as much to keep us out as him in. Sort of like a Jew
going to Isreal or me going to Disneyland. Many believe most Indians were
killed but truth is they just blended in. Now the best way to ID an Indian
is by how much Casino stock he owns g.

The blanket legend may or may not be factual. Some less than honest traders
may have sold blankets from hospitals but it is doubtful that was ever
official government policy. Many whites feared and thus hated indians and
hate makes people do strange things.

"Dave" wrote
True, Vito, but are you no succumbing to Bart's error of trying to justify
bad behavior by pointing at other bad behavior?

Sorry.