Mooron's Nav Station
 

Mooron, I think you missed my query on the Nordica 30's nav station.
Being a proper seaboat, she must have a nav station with a well sized
chart table. Can I see a pic?

The 35s5 has a nice chart table....quite large and ample with stowage
below for charts and nav tools.

Table retracted:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/23.JPG

Table full:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/24.JPG

I don't see a nav station in any Nordica 30 pics...probably just the
angle or some interiors screwed up by owners.


RB
35s5
NY

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
The 35s5 has a nice chart table....quite large and ample with stowage
below for charts and nav tools.

That's good. So, you won't be hitting any more rocks within
sight of your slip, when you have a serious & manly nav
table like that?


Table retracted:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/23.JPG

Oops! It's retractable??!?

Excuse me, I have to go clean the coffee off my desk.

DSK

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Mooron, please ignore Doug. He owns a trawler and probably doesn't even
use paper charts.
Can we see a pic of your chart table?

RB
35s5
NY

Mooron's Nav Station
 

The nav table on the Nordica 30 is to stbrd at the companionway. The
original design had it incorporated with a pilot berth under the cockpit
seat. I removed the berth and extended the bulkhead then opened up the
access to allow for better stowage and additional tankage. I used the new
area to accommodate all electronics, wiring, bus bars, breakers, house bank,
inverter etc. It also had the added benefit of extending the table to
accommodate a full chart...... something most boats to 45 ft don't have.

I'll have to find and post a pic since the vessel is packed away for the
winter.


CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Mooron, I think you missed my query on the Nordica 30's nav station.
Being a proper seaboat, she must have a nav station with a well sized
chart table. Can I see a pic?

The 35s5 has a nice chart table....quite large and ample with stowage
below for charts and nav tools.

Table retracted:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/23.JPG

Table full:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/24.JPG

I don't see a nav station in any Nordica 30 pics...probably just the
angle or some interiors screwed up by owners.


RB
35s5
NY

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Capt.Mooron wrote:

The nav table on the Nordica 30 is to stbrd at the companionway.

I bet it's not "retractable" either!

DSK

Mooron's Nav Station
 

I bet it's not "retractable" either!


Doug's sailboat has no nav station of any kind, Mooron. And I bet the
one on his trawler is smaller than mine...in fact I know it is!

RB
35s5
NY

Mooron's Nav Station
 

DSK wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
The 35s5 has a nice chart table....quite large and ample with stowage
below for charts and nav tools.

That's good. So, you won't be hitting any more rocks within sight of
your slip, when you have a serious & manly nav table like that?


Table retracted:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/23.JPG

Oops! It's retractable??!?

Excuse me, I have to go clean the coffee off my desk.

Its not a chart table, its a changing table!

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Excuse me, I have to go clean the coffee off my desk.

Its not a chart table, its a changing table!


There is a changing table that flips down in the head. It was an
option.

RB
35s5
NY

Mooron's Nav Station
 

DSK wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

The 35s5 has a nice chart table....quite large and ample with stowage
below for charts and nav tools.


That's good. So, you won't be hitting any more rocks within sight of
your slip, when you have a serious & manly nav table like that?


Table retracted:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/23.JPG


Oops! It's retractable??!?

Excuse me, I have to go clean the coffee off my desk.

DSK

Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important is
a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are plotting
visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And who plots
fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just where we store
the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just fold the chart
and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important
is
a proper nav table?


For MOST sailers (and no one here would ever admit to being one of
those!) a nav table is not needed. Charts can be spread out just as
well and often better on the main table. A lot of nav station surfaces
look great, but are too small, even on pricey new boats.

RB
35s5
NY

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Gary wrote:

Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important is
a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are plotting
visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And who plots
fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just where we store
the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just fold the chart
and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?

I've never used the chart table on my boat for charting - it holds the
CD changer and all the other little gadgets. The seat is usually
filled with gear we're too lazy to stow. The saloon table has all the
space needed, plus much better visibility if I wanted to do nav below.

Of course, my boat has a hard top and forward steering, so its
effectively a pilothouse. There's enough room to spread out a chart
at the helm and even do a running fix in good weather. But not many
would bother to do that nowadays. And in fact, I'm probably in the
minority in that I favor paper charts over GPS and computers.

Chart tables are nice only in that they create a separate area for
certain gear away from the main living space. I'm sure that some use
it for actual navigation, but its no longer a necessity.

Mooron's Nav Station
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Capt.Mooron wrote:

The nav table on the Nordica 30 is to stbrd at the companionway.

I bet it's not "retractable" either!

Nope... solid teak, lift the lid to access the plotting equipment. Charts
are rolled and stored under the table in a compartment designed for that
purpose. The new extension mates to the original table and has the
electrical/electronic /batteries under the lid, in 3 separate shelves.

CM

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Do you anticipate any problems when one person needs to cook and the other
needs to do chart work? I like the idea of saving space, but I'm not sure
I'd like a chart table that is over the stove. Also, when cooking, what do
you do about keeping the steam away from the instruments?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Mooron, I think you missed my query on the Nordica 30's nav station.
Being a proper seaboat, she must have a nav station with a well sized
chart table. Can I see a pic?

The 35s5 has a nice chart table....quite large and ample with stowage
below for charts and nav tools.

Table retracted:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/23.JPG

Table full:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/24.JPG

I don't see a nav station in any Nordica 30 pics...probably just the
angle or some interiors screwed up by owners.


RB
35s5
NY

Mooron's Nav Station
 

I'm not sure I completely agree. I like to be near the instruments when
doing chart work. Size-wise, the table is fine, but a proper chart table
seems pretty important to me. On the boat I teach on, we never fold down the
table.. too much hassle, but I do ask students to do plots.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important
is
a proper nav table?


For MOST sailers (and no one here would ever admit to being one of
those!) a nav table is not needed. Charts can be spread out just as
well and often better on the main table. A lot of nav station surfaces
look great, but are too small, even on pricey new boats.

RB
35s5
NY

Mooron's Nav Station
 

OzOne wrote in message

Was it not you who had no need for paper charts with your
sophisticated GPS and compass?

None of which he has a clue on how to operate......

CM

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Jeff wrote:
Gary wrote:


Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important
is a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are
plotting visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And
who plots fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just
where we store the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just
fold the chart and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?


I've never used the chart table on my boat for charting - it holds the
CD changer and all the other little gadgets. The seat is usually filled
with gear we're too lazy to stow. The saloon table has all the space
needed, plus much better visibility if I wanted to do nav below.

Of course, my boat has a hard top and forward steering, so its
effectively a pilothouse. There's enough room to spread out a chart at
the helm and even do a running fix in good weather. But not many would
bother to do that nowadays. And in fact, I'm probably in the minority
in that I favor paper charts over GPS and computers.

Chart tables are nice only in that they create a separate area for
certain gear away from the main living space. I'm sure that some use it
for actual navigation, but its no longer a necessity.
I find it funny that folks equate a large chart table with an offshore
boat. When I'm offshore I put a couple fizes a day on the chart. It
doesn't half to be laid out all the time. There is nothing to hit!
It's in pilotage waters that they become more critical and I like to
have it on the cockpit seat beside me unless it's raining. (And I do
have a pilothouse)

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Was it not you who had no need for paper charts with your
sophisticated GPS and compass?

Nope. We always used paper charts.

RB
35s5
NY

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Was it not you who had no need for paper charts with your
sophisticated GPS and compass?

Nope. We always used paper charts.

Used as what? If you really used a chart, you wouldn't have hit a
rock a mile from your slip.

Mooron's Nav Station
 

OzOne wrote in message

Solid teak?

Not the shelves.... those are maple.

The extension top was cut, glued, clamped and planed [ 4 - 6" x1/2"x24"
planks of salvaged teak] The enclosure under the extension table is G2S
marine grade oak ply with teak veneer I applied myself. Heh...

The original chart table is solid teak ...yes.

CM

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Used as what? If you really used a chart, you wouldn't have hit a
rock a mile from your slip.


Even your trolls are silly. Charts never kept anyone from hitting
bottom on occasion.

RB
35s5
NY

Mooron's Nav Station
 

No, but competence does.

Most boaters have nudged a soft bottom on occasion, usually going very
slow, but there really is no excuse for hitting a charted rock at
three knots, especially after someone pointed it out.

Sorry Bob.


Capt. Rob wrote:
Used as what? If you really used a chart, you wouldn't have hit a
rock a mile from your slip.


Even your trolls are silly. Charts never kept anyone from hitting
bottom on occasion.

RB
35s5
NY

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Jeff wrote:
No, but competence does.

Most boaters have nudged a soft bottom on occasion, usually going very
slow, but there really is no excuse for hitting a charted rock at three
knots, especially after someone pointed it out.

Sorry Bob.


Capt. Rob wrote:

Used as what? If you really used a chart, you wouldn't have hit a
rock a mile from your slip.


Even your trolls are silly. Charts never kept anyone from hitting
bottom on occasion.
RB
35s5
NY

Wait for it. You are tempting fate. There but for the grace of God........

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Gary wrote:
Jeff wrote:
No, but competence does.

Most boaters have nudged a soft bottom on occasion, usually going very
slow, but there really is no excuse for hitting a charted rock at
three knots, especially after someone pointed it out.

Wait for it. You are tempting fate. There but for the grace of
God........

Yes, I know, my time may come yet. But I've made it almost 50 years
and a ****load of miles, mostly in New England, without whacking a
rock. Now that I think of it, most of my soft groundings were in the
the Mid-Atlantic states. In the Chesapeake, especially with a cat,
you can go up a creek until you nudge bottom. In New England, with a
rocky bottom and 10 foot tides, you quickly learn to be more careful.

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Q. Do you carry spare toilet paper on your boat?



"Capt. Rob" wrote

Nope. We always used paper charts.

Ewwww!

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Gary, do you have pics of your boat? Did you post them?

Scotty



"Gary" wrote

Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How
important is
a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are
plotting
visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And
who plots
fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just where
we store
the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just fold
the chart
and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Scotty wrote:
Gary, do you have pics of your boat? Did you post them?

Scotty



"Gary" wrote

Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How

important is

a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are

plotting

visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And

who plots

fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just where

we store

the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just fold

the chart

and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?



No I haven't posted any but there is one of it on the Bill Garden
website at:
http://www.wholeboat.net/index.php?o...2&key=22&hit=1
It's actually a Truant 33 not a 37. The owners of the website have it
wrong.
Now you guys can hack my boat.

Mooron's Nav Station
 

"Gary" wrote i



No I haven't posted any but there is one of it on the Bill
Garden
website at:

http://www.wholeboat.net/index.php?o...Itemid=46&page
=view&catid=2&PageNo=2&key=22&hit=1
It's actually a Truant 33 not a 37. The owners of the website
have it
wrong.
Now you guys can hack my boat.


Not the best pic, but looks like a nice boat. Why 'Plumper'?

What about the big boat?

Scotty

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Scotty wrote:
"Gary" wrote i



No I haven't posted any but there is one of it on the Bill

Garden

website at:


http://www.wholeboat.net/index.php?o...Itemid=46&page
=view&catid=2&PageNo=2&key=22&hit=1

It's actually a Truant 33 not a 37. The owners of the website

have it

wrong.
Now you guys can hack my boat.



Not the best pic, but looks like a nice boat. Why 'Plumper'?

What about the big boat?

Scotty


HMS (Her Majesty's Ship) Plumper was the first survey ship on the west
coast of Canada. There are many topographic and oceanographic features
named after it and her crew. Plumper Sound, Bedwell Harbour etc. One
of the previous owners of Plumper II was an Oceangrapher and he named
the boat. It is registered in the Canadian List of Ships and I like the
story. Besides, it's about $500 to change the name of a ship.

The big boat I command is at:
www.navy.gc.ca/oriole
The history is all on that website.

Mooron's Nav Station
 

"Scotty" wrote in message

Not the best pic, but looks like a nice boat. Why 'Plumper'?

What about the big boat?

Scotty... look for a Truant 37... labelled Truant 33.... Pilothouse Double
Ender.

CM

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Gary wrote:
No I haven't posted any but there is one of it on the Bill Garden
website at:
http://www.wholeboat.net/index.php?o...2&key=22&hit=1

It's actually a Truant 33 not a 37. The owners of the website have it
wrong.
Now you guys can hack my boat.

We don't really hack boats here, only Bob does that. The rest of us
just hack Bob.

I've never seen a Truant, but I've seen a Saturna in Maine built by
Wiggers. Pretty slick boat.

Do you have more pics of yours?

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Jeff wrote:
Gary wrote:
No I haven't posted any but there is one of it on the Bill Garden

website at:
http://www.wholeboat.net/index.php?o...2&key=22&hit=1

It's actually a Truant 33 not a 37. The owners of the website have it
wrong.
Now you guys can hack my boat.


We don't really hack boats here, only Bob does that. The rest of us
just hack Bob.

I've never seen a Truant, but I've seen a Saturna in Maine built by
Wiggers. Pretty slick boat.

Do you have more pics of yours?
The Saturna is the production model of the same boat. There are a few
differences. The Truant is custom, some were home built. There aren't
many. The most notable difference is the rig and the pilothouse roof.
The Truants have an eyebrow and the Saturnas don't. That way they come
out of the mold easier. The Truant rig is taller and keel stepped, the
Saturna is 5 feet shorter and deck stepped. Mine has been further
modified with a fractional inner forestay for a storm sail and running
backs.
Insde they are quite different. The Saturna has the engine under the
cockpit sole whereas the Truants are under the sole of the pilothouse.
The Saturnas can have a bigger engine as a result. The Saturnas are
more open inside with a propane stove setup in the galley. Mine has a
Dickinson Pacific that heats the entire boat. It is well insulated and
setup for high lattitude cruising/liveaboard.
I do have more pics but they are not on the net. Is uploading photos to
this newsgroup permitted?

Mooron's Nav Station
 

"Gary" wrote in message

Is uploading photos to
this newsgroup permitted?

You can get an account online for free to post and share photos... I use
Webshots as do a few others here. Posting pictures to non binary groups is
considered a faux pas.

CM

Mooron's Nav Station
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:Z39jf.132042$y_1.33660@edtnps89...

"Scotty" wrote in message

Not the best pic, but looks like a nice boat. Why 'Plumper'?

What about the big boat?

Scotty... look for a Truant 37... labelled Truant 33....
Pilothouse Double
Ender.


Ohh boy,,,,I meant the BIG boat.

SV

Mooron's Nav Station
 

"Gary" wrote in message
news:e%8jf.660006$tl2.197859@pd7tw3no...

The big boat I command is at:
www.navy.gc.ca/oriole
The history is all on that website.


Beautiful boat! I envy your job.

Scotty

Mooron's Nav Station
 

Scotty wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message
news:e%8jf.660006$tl2.197859@pd7tw3no...

The big boat I command is at:
www.navy.gc.ca/oriole
The history is all on that website.

Beautiful boat! I envy your job.

Scotty

It is a dream job. I have sure learned a lot about sailing and boat
handling since I got the job. I have, on occasion, scared myself silly
as well. 92 tons of sail boat in a storm at sea is very challenging.
92 tons without winches or any modern conveniences is grueling.

I have amuch more respect for a two speed self tailer!