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Sloco Loco's boat is old, tired and slow!
Jeff has a multi hull than needs to be 50% off the wind or it's a
powerboat!
Mooron's Nordic 30 is slower than a knee-capped land snail!
Doug owns a godamn powerboat!
Steve owned the same sad boat as Sloco and donated it to charity!
Katy's boat is slow, small and has suspect build quality! She's LIVING
on it! Is that "living?"
Neal's boat is pretending to sail again!
Joe's boat is made out of metal and is slllooooowwww!
John Cairns is one of those people who actually got sucker punched and
bought a Catalina 28!
Bart's boat looks good in the slip where it's 262 year restoration
continues!

And now...a boat you would all kill and eat Neal's liver to own or even
sail....

http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/index.html

RB
35s5...the real deal!
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

sniped desperate troll

And now...a boat you would all kill and eat Neal's liver to own or even
sail....

I've got a boat that you would suck Commode Joe's liposuction residue to
own....

CM

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've got a boat that you would suck Commode Joe's liposuction residue to

own....


Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30? It's slower in light air and
heavy, does not go upwind as well, has a smaller interior and cockpit,
cheap steering system, no swim platform and it's only charm lies in
it's dated attributes. It's a poor boat for sailing fast, for racing,
entertaining or just feeling the thrill of a modern hull capable of
easily exceeding it's limits...as the 35s5 does easily. It won boat of
the year when released and still wins races.
By the way, we don't have the standard interior. We have the teak
option, most of which is NOT veneer. The interior blows yours away just
as easily as it outsails you.
Sorry...you're PHRF rating is very generous and you couldn't have
sailed faster than my Pearson 30 or C&C 32 in your wildest dreams. The
35s5 is far, far faster and much more fun to sail. Your boat is a
wonderful little cruiser for elderly types, but useless for a family
seeking true sailing fun. You can't even post a SINGLE pic of your boat
showing a nice interior...because it's tired below. You can't find a
single stat on line or anywhere to show us that the Nordic 30 is in any
way capable of being fast. It's a slow boat to China, for old sailors
who are legends in their own minds.


RB
35s5....faster than a Nordic 30, even if I don't put the jib up!
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
've got a boat that you would suck Commode Joe's liposuction residue to

own....


Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30?

Save your breath, Moron, he'll never 'get it'.

Scotty




RB
35s5....the limo verson of a Mac26X
NY

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Bwahahahahahaaaa.... real Teak-Veneer!!! I bet most of the veneer is
plastic!

Look Bob... this is what real teak looks like...

http://tinylink.com/?dGPHB7LWp2

Notice lots of light and warmth. Cool in the summer & warm in the winter.

Light Air... how about no air and look at those sails... full and drawing!

http://tinylink.com/?qGUepb3hSu

Oh and the lines on my boat makes yours an embarrassment to even show in
public..

http://tinylink.com/?SYOg4RHFfh

My boat is twice the vessel your generic dock condo is... anytime/anyday!
:-)


CM


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
've got a boat that you would suck Commode Joe's liposuction residue to

own....


Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30? It's slower in light air and
heavy, does not go upwind as well, has a smaller interior and cockpit,
cheap steering system, no swim platform and it's only charm lies in
it's dated attributes. It's a poor boat for sailing fast, for racing,
entertaining or just feeling the thrill of a modern hull capable of
easily exceeding it's limits...as the 35s5 does easily. It won boat of
the year when released and still wins races.
By the way, we don't have the standard interior. We have the teak
option, most of which is NOT veneer. The interior blows yours away just
as easily as it outsails you.
Sorry...you're PHRF rating is very generous and you couldn't have
sailed faster than my Pearson 30 or C&C 32 in your wildest dreams. The
35s5 is far, far faster and much more fun to sail. Your boat is a
wonderful little cruiser for elderly types, but useless for a family
seeking true sailing fun. You can't even post a SINGLE pic of your boat
showing a nice interior...because it's tired below. You can't find a
single stat on line or anywhere to show us that the Nordic 30 is in any
way capable of being fast. It's a slow boat to China, for old sailors
who are legends in their own minds.


RB
35s5....faster than a Nordic 30, even if I don't put the jib up!
NY

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"Scotty" wrote in message
oups.com...

Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30?

Save your breath, Moron, he'll never 'get it'.

He's just jealous ..... he's green with envy I tell you!

RB
35s5....the limo verson of a Mac26X

Ha Ha ha.... Good one

CM

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Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30?

Save your breath, Moron, he'll never 'get it'.

Nope, I like to sail boats that sail well and have some speed and
handling. Some folks drive minivans like the Nordic, others prefer
sharp fast sports cars like the 35s5!

RB
35s5
NY

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See.


Capt. Rob wrote:
Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30?

Save your breath, Moron, he'll never 'get it'.

Nope, I like to sail boats that sail like minivans


RB
35s5 the limo version of the Mac26X
NY

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Wow, you actually posted a pic showing clear water damage beneath the
window and poor finish on the teak. You also have carpeting along the
wall! Those cushions look mighty thin and cheap as well. Looks like
time for a restoration of some degree. And don't even bother telling us
that the finish on the teak is a mess at those areas beneath the window
by chance. See the full size pic, folks.

Here's a teak interior, properly varnished (9 coats) and in absolutely
MINT condition.
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/20.JPG

The curved aft doors are veneer. The cabinitry is solid teak. And best
of all, it's properly maintained unlike your vessel. Thanks for posting
that pic...it took shameless balls! Oh...also love the pic of your
sails drawing and the boat clearly not moving!


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Wow, you actually posted a pic showing clear water damage beneath the
window and poor finish on the teak. You also have carpeting along the
wall! Those cushions look mighty thin and cheap as well. Looks like
time for a restoration of some degree. And don't even bother telling us
that the finish on the teak is a mess at those areas beneath the window
by chance. See the full size pic, folks.

You know of course that veneer with a plastic overcoat won't stain... since
it's not wood! Don't fret... that minor problem was taken care of a long
while ago... I've since stripped and refinished the interior.


Here's a teak interior, properly varnished (9 coats) and in absolutely
MINT condition.
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/20.JPG

P-u-l-l-le-e-e-ez-z-z-e... there isn't a stick of real wood in that boat!
That's plastic on veneer... Cabinetry... don't make me laugh!

The curved aft doors are veneer. The cabinitry is solid teak. And best
of all, it's properly maintained unlike your vessel.

Yeah I use teak oil and all you need is windex and pledge!


Thanks for posting
that pic...it took shameless balls! Oh...also love the pic of your
sails drawing and the boat clearly not moving!

Wow!! Think I starched the sails Bob? :-)

Face it... I have a better boat!

CM

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You know of course that veneer with a plastic overcoat won't stain...
since
it's not wood!

That's called "varnish" Mooron. Too late for your rotted interior I'm
afraid!

P-u-l-l-le-e-e-ez-z-z-e... there isn't a stick of real wood in that
boat!
That's plastic on veneer

Keep saying it over and over...doesn't make it so. The teak interior
was an expensive option over the dark mahogonay veneer that was
standard.

Face it... I have a better boat!

That's great! You finally replaced the Nordic! What did you get?

RB
35s5
NY

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Love that "real teak" bulkhead!
What thickness is the "real teak" that they laid over the other stuff?



Ozzy, you seem too to busy in joining the bandwagon to educate poor
slow Mooron. Why are the bulkheads thin veneer over honeycomb instead
of solid teak. hmmmm? Do you think there were saving money on that? Or
could it have to do with weight on a vessel much bigger than Mooron's
and only 11'460 lbs at 35.5 LOA, whilestill having a bigger more
comfortable interior? The 35s5 cost more than the Nordic even in
adjusted dollars...a full third more than other popular builders in the
early 90's. The Nordic is a good boat, but it simply is a carbon copy
of many other full keelers with no sailing prowess to match the 35s5 in
any area. Why don't we shoot closeups of the fit and finish elements on
both vessels and compare? I can tell from the pic Mooron posted that
he's not even close to the 35s5's high standard. Let's see if he'll put
his pictures where his mouth is!

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Keep saying it over and over...doesn't make it so. The teak interior
was an expensive option over the dark mahogonay veneer that was
standard.

Well Bob.... it's a fact that Teak Veneer is only slightly more expensive
than Mahogany Veneer... but then again when weighed against the cost of
plastic... I can imagine that to be an "expensive option".....

Tell us.. does your cabin echo when empty? Bwahahahahahaaaaaa!!

CM

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OzOne wrote in message

Window?

Yeah well that's Bobsprit speak.....

Bwaaahahahhahahhahahhahahahaaa!
Someone must have left the 'window' open in the rain...maybe an awning
would help.

Yeah... first year I brought it down to NS from the Arctic... the humidity
caught me off guard. I should have known better. Condensation from the ports
..... I use dehumidifiers and solar powered fans now. That mildew is a real
problem at times during storage.

CM

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OzOne wrote in message
Love that "real teak" bulkhead!
What thickness is the "real teak" that they laid over the other stuff?

Yeah thanx Ozone.... like Bobsprit would even have noticed!

Yeah.. both the bulkheads are veneer over 1/2" marine ply. I've been meaning
to replace it with the stockpile of teak I've salvaged from various sources.
I actually have sufficient material to fabricate T&G for most of the areas
now outfitted with veneer.

The difference is I doubt there is any solid teak on Bobsprit's boat. It's
all veneer. All the cabinetry, posts and tables on Overproof as well al the
T&G is solid teak.

I was having a lot of fun until you decided to pop in... Blast You!!!!

Ha Ha Ha ha

CM

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Maybe you could post some "fit and finish" shots of the Benny after 15
or 20 years of sailing....I'm sure you'll find they will look far
worse that any yacht built in the early 90's.....did you not wonder at
the almost stunned exclamations of your surveyor?


Ozzy, you really should know better than that. The surveyor was shocked
at her condition because most 35s5's have been raced hard. No boat
looks good after being put away wet too many time over 15 years. But in
this case the boat was unused for some years and hardly raced at all.
She was used by a dot-com company for entertainment for several years
and the interior was untouched. I looked at an older 345 that was also
in great condition because it was maintained properly. My 35s5 was
built in 1990 by the way. Her fit and finish is above average, "better
than most production boats" as noted by two surveys. She's certainly
nicer than the well regarded C&Cs we looked and a match for the Caliber
and Island Packet. Some construction points for you. Hey deck is
typical cored, with solid sections in loaded areas. Her hull is NOT
cored and uses a lighter weight stringer network for rigidity, key in
weight saving along with her honeycombed interior pieces. 35s5's are
not known to have a weak deck. I found one with one area of wet core
due to a mast impact and bad repair. My deck is bone dry.
In every respect it exceeds Mooron's vessel, both in design and
execution. It's faster, larger, more comfortable in most conditions and
certainly more versatile and fun. There are a zillion boats like
Mooron's...heavy, full keeled beasts with traditional interiors. I
bought the 35s5 because it was one of the few 35 footers that combined
fine performance with splendid accomodation...large sleeping areas, two
private cabins, a large head, swim platform, large cockpit and so on.
Mooron sees a bright well fit varnished interior and can only assume it
must be plastic. This only proves he's sailing an ancient, if
ploddingly capable craft, but remains desperately out of touch.
Them's the facts.

RB
35s5
NY

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Ho Boy... Bobsprit thanx for this rant!!!

It was getting all civil and slow around here. :-)

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Ozzy, you really should know better than that. The surveyor was shocked
at her condition because most 35s5's have been raced hard. No boat
looks good after being put away wet too many time over 15 years. But in
this case the boat was unused for some years and hardly raced at all.
She was used by a dot-com company for entertainment for several years
and the interior was untouched. I looked at an older 345 that was also
in great condition because it was maintained properly. My 35s5 was
built in 1990 by the way. Her fit and finish is above average, "better
than most production boats" as noted by two surveys. She's certainly
nicer than the well regarded C&Cs we looked and a match for the Caliber
and Island Packet. Some construction points for you. Hey deck is
typical cored, with solid sections in loaded areas. Her hull is NOT
cored and uses a lighter weight stringer network for rigidity, key in
35s5's are
not known to have a weak deck. I found one with one area of wet core

Oh that'll spread in a hurry.... where there's one... there's a dozen!! yup!

due to a mast impact and bad repair. My deck is bone dry.

Mast Impact????!!!! Wooooooooooooo!!!

In every respect it exceeds Mooron's vessel, both in design and
execution.

If your tastes favour cookie-cutter, look alike, "cheap sunglasses" type of
designs....


Mooron sees a bright well fit varnished interior and can only assume it
must be plastic.

That Veneer is wonderful stuff... ain't it Bob??!!

This only proves he's sailing an ancient, if
ploddingly capable craft, but remains desperately out of touch.

Uh-Yeah... Shure... sailing a well designed vessel with classic lines is....
? not as much fun as sailing a 50k margarine container with veneer
trim???!!!!

Them's the facts.

The fact is ... I have the better vessel!!

Deal with it.... Get Over It.... your pathethic plastic isn't even listed
in sailcalc!!! How lame is that.... I mean seriously!

CM

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The surveyor was shocked at her condition because most 35s5's have
been raced hard.

Well, since they all seem to finish last that's pretty sad.

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The surveyor was shocked at her condition because most 35s5's have
been raced hard.

Or that's because they are trying hard to stay in front of the boats
that started 5 minutes after them.

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Maybe you could post some "fit and finish" shots of the Benny after 15
or 20 years of sailing....I'm sure you'll find they will look far
worse that any yacht built in the early 90's.....did you not wonder at
the almost stunned exclamations of your surveyor?


Ozzy, you really should know better than that. The surveyor was shocked
at her condition because most 35s5's have been raced hard. No boat
looks good after being put away wet too many time over 15 years. But in
this case the boat was unused for some years and hardly raced at all.
She was used by a dot-com company for entertainment for several years
and the interior was untouched. I looked at an older 345 that was also
in great condition because it was maintained properly. My 35s5 was
built in 1990 by the way. Her fit and finish is above average, "better
than most production boats" as noted by two surveys. She's certainly
nicer than the well regarded C&Cs we looked and a match for the Caliber
and Island Packet. Some construction points for you. Hey deck is
typical cored, with solid sections in loaded areas. Her hull is NOT
cored and uses a lighter weight stringer network for rigidity, key in
weight saving along with her honeycombed interior pieces. 35s5's are
not known to have a weak deck. I found one with one area of wet core
due to a mast impact and bad repair. My deck is bone dry.
In every respect it exceeds Mooron's vessel, both in design and
execution. It's faster, larger, more comfortable in most conditions and
certainly more versatile and fun. There are a zillion boats like
Mooron's...heavy, full keeled beasts with traditional interiors. I
bought the 35s5 because it was one of the few 35 footers that combined
fine performance with splendid accomodation...large sleeping areas, two
private cabins, a large head, swim platform, large cockpit and so on.
Mooron sees a bright well fit varnished interior and can only assume it
must be plastic. This only proves he's sailing an ancient, if
ploddingly capable craft, but remains desperately out of touch.
Them's the facts.

RB
35s5
NY

Jeez, you do go on.......

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"Gary" wrote in message

Jeez, you do go on.......

Well Put Gary... Welcome to ther World of Bob! :-)

CM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
've got a boat that you would suck Commode Joe's liposuction residue to

own....


Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30?

You wouldn't. Only someone who actually *sails* would own a Nordic 30.

It's slower in light air and
heavy, does not go upwind as well, has a smaller interior and cockpit,
cheap steering system, no swim platform

OH MY GOD! NO SWIM PLATFORM??!!

and it's only charm lies in
it's dated attributes.

Mooron prefers to think of it as aging gracefully.

It's a poor boat for sailing fast, for racing,
entertaining or just feeling the thrill of a modern hull capable of
easily exceeding it's limits...

Yeah, what a drag to own a boat that will actually stay in one piece in
****ty conditions.

as the 35s5 does easily. It won boat of
the year when released

You bet. And Chantiers Beneteau paid dearly in advertising for that.

and still wins races.
By the way, we don't have the standard interior. We have the teak
option, most of which is NOT veneer.

Correct. It's vinyl over MDF.

The interior blows yours away just
as easily as it outsails you.

I especially love the way Bendy Toys' cabin soles creak and groan when you
walk on 'em.

Sorry...you're PHRF rating is very generous

. . . meaning there's no way in hell you could ever beat Mooron on
corrected time with that underrated slug of yours.

and you couldn't have
sailed faster than my Pearson 30 or C&C 32 in your wildest dreams.

Except in winds over 15kts. Oh hey, I'm sorry--I forgot--you never untie
the boat in 15kts. or better.

The
35s5 is far, far faster and much more fun to sail.

Uh huh. Especially if you enjoy puking your guts overboard while your
bleach bottle boat unglues itself around you.

Your boat is a
wonderful little cruiser for elderly types, but useless for a family
seeking true sailing fun.

Funny how elderly types like Bubbles love to call others elderly.

You can't even post a SINGLE pic of your boat
showing a nice interior...because it's tired below.

Five years as Bubbles' dockside condo and that Bendy won't be much to look
at below either. Toddlers wreak havoc on interior vinyl.

You can't find a
single stat on line or anywhere to show us that the Nordic 30 is in any
way capable of being fast.

Powerboaters just love it when sailors talk about "fast."

It's a slow boat to China, for old sailors
who are legends in their own minds.

It's a boat that can actually get to China, unlike . . .


RB
35s5....the boat for people who can't afford a real sailboat, like a
Nordic 30.
NY

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Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30?

You wouldn't. Only someone who actually *sails* would own a Nordic 30.


Nonsense. Slow boats like the Nordic are not popular in our light air
areas. It's also a dead duck to sail without a fresh breeze. Many
prefer a boat with a better turn of speed, rather than a slow moving
full keeler.

You bet. And Chantiers Beneteau paid dearly in advertising for
that.


More nonsense. The Paris boat show is a real show and not a joke like
the American shows. Other winners had been Swan, Baltic, Shannon. Post
proof that builders paid for their wins or go sit in a corner.


Correct. It's vinyl over MDF.

Please prove that you have a clue. Show us a link that the 35s5 French
built imported interior is vinyl. The teak option is veneer over
honeycomb and some solid peices used in the galley and nav cabinets.
Later Beneteau's, with interiors built in the USA were as crappy as any
car built here...sadly.

Uh huh. Especially if you enjoy puking your guts overboard while
your
bleach bottle boat unglues itself around you.

And yet plenty of Beneteau's make ocean crossings along with far lesser
vessels. Funny how everyone here likes to chant that long voyages can
be made by any boat with a skilled sailor at the helm. Desperate to
join the bandwagon, the Beneteau will suddenly fly apart and do so on a
ocean crossing we didn't buy her for anyway!

Funny how elderly types like Bubbles love to call others elderly.

Hmmm. I just turned 43. I run my laps 4 days on and lift 3. Most of the
people here are older than me, much older and ALL are in worse shape.

Powerboaters just love it when sailors talk about "fast."

They do? You must know a specific group of powerboaters who worry about
sailors sailing fast.

It's a boat that can actually get to China, unlike . . .

Just in case someone who isn't educated is reading Maxipad's silly
comments, even a Catalina 25 can sail to China and do so without a
problem. People who suggest that the boat is the ultimate measure of
ability for a voyage are reading too many Island Packet ads. A Nordic
30 MIGHT be more comfortable due to her motion in bad seas, but in
every other area the 35s5 would do better. Even Doug posted as much.

And the door slams on Maxipad's fingers!

RB
35s5...easily the best boat here!
NY

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Like I said, post a few pics of the ones that 'have' been sailed, hard
or not.


Sure thing, Ozzy. I'm not a liar like most folks here and can back up
what I say.

http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...11&slim=quick&

That boat is in RI and we looked at her along with one in NJ and the
one still for sail in CT on Yachtworld (if you'd like another example).
All were in good shape, but the ones in RI and CT had been raced and
the interiors had worn varnish and cushions that had wet sails on them
too many times. Other than that they were in good cosmetic shape and
had good decks. The one in NJ had a nicer interior and was cleaner, but
she had been damaged in a mast step accident near the forward hatch.
Sadly, the repair was made poorly and strips of teak, used to cover the
repair, had leaked into the core. She was bone dry everywhere else. The
RI boat looked fine, but we took a chance on looking at the example in
Fl. and ended up with a creampuff for the same money.

Yep. It suits you.
Doesn't make it a better boat, just a better one for your needs and
wants.

Yep, Ozzy....and that's what I started out saying. A Nordic 30 is
better for someone somewhere I suppose. If I wanted that type of boat
one of the newer Caliber 35's are nicer. No more project boats like a
Nordic 30 for us.

Bubbles, I've built lightweight race boats with the same amount of
teak that yours has.
We rarely build in Oz in mahogany because it's just too dark.

We were happy to get the brighter teak interior option. It cost 3K more
when new and has about the same level of veneer and Mooron's slowboat.
I'm a bit of a nut about fit and finish and I like to see some care
taken. I sight for it and often find it poor on higher end boats like
Tartan and Sabre. The fit and finish of the 35s5 interior, imported
from France at the time, is so high that it was noted on two surveys.
I'd be happy to post those comments along with pics to compare to
Mooron's interior fit and finish. I was recently on a Bavaria boat and
noted the use of a lot of plastics. But fit and finish was really
pretty good. Poor Mooron thinks quality is measured by materials alone.
But fit and finish of the Tartan 34 and J34c was of less quality,
regardless of how much solid teak they use. Mooron's fit and finish
reminds me of Taiwan built boats, which is often suspect.

RB
35s5
NY

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Well, since they all seem to finish last that's pretty sad.


Hmmm...and yet I posted a link with the 35s5 clobbering your beloved
Depress 35, a far better faster boat that yours!!!

And the door slams on Sloco's nose!

RB
35s5...a faster nicer boat!
NY

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Bwahahahahah Ive seen the interior pictures..IT ALL cheap VENEER. Trees
do not grow in mirror patterns.

Joe
No Veneer on RedCloud
a 9 knot boat faster than any cheap production Bentatoe

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Bwahahahahah Ive seen the interior pictures..IT ALL cheap VENEER. Trees

do not grow in mirror patterns.

Only the bulkheads are, and they are over honeycomb to save weight.
Sorry, Joe...your boat is still slower in spite of being much larger.
You could not outrun my buddie's Tayana 48, which in turn had a tough
time keeping up with my C&C 32. Your boat...if it was ever rated would
land in 140-150 area PHRF.
Poor Joe.

RB
35s5...the best performing boat here!
NY

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"Swab Rob" wrote
In every respect it exceeds Mooron's vessel,


......except for the captain.

RB
35s5 the limo version of a Mac26X
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:

... Your boat...if it was ever rated would
land in 140-150 area PHRF.

In other words, it rates a bit better than your bendy? Remember, your
rating starts at 132, and then is effectively 156 in light air.


Poor Joe.

RB
35s5...the best performing boat in my mind only!
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message


Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30?

You wouldn't. Only someone who actually *sails* would own a Nordic 30.


Nonsense. Slow boats like the Nordic are not popular in our light air
areas. It's also a dead duck to sail without a fresh breeze. Many
prefer a boat with a better turn of speed, rather than a slow moving
full keeler.

Jeeze, Bubbles, do I have to put a smiley face behind every response I make
to your insipid posts? :-)


You bet. And Chantiers Beneteau paid dearly in advertising for
that.


More nonsense. The Paris boat show is a real show and not a joke like
the American shows. Other winners had been Swan, Baltic, Shannon. Post
proof that builders paid for their wins or go sit in a corner.

WHAT??? Money Magazine is edited by idiots, IYO, but the Paris boat show is
organized only by the most brilliant sages in their respective fields?
Haven't you found it interesting that when Cruising World or Sail Magazine
pick a BOTY, that company does *not* advertise in that issue, but runs
extensive ads in each issue afterward? Or that no boat is ever picked two
years in a row? Is the implication that some other boat must eclipse last
years winner every single time? Oh wait, I'm sure the boating press is
edited by little more than dullards who know far less than yourself about
boats and boating, right?

Correct. It's vinyl over MDF.

Please prove that you have a clue. Show us a link that the 35s5 French
built imported interior is vinyl. The teak option is veneer over
honeycomb and some solid peices used in the galley and nav cabinets.
Later Beneteau's, with interiors built in the USA were as crappy as any
car built here...sadly.

Hold a cigarette against that "teak" and see how it melts. (You'd better
get that hook out of your mouth soon, Bubbles, or that wound is gonna
fester.)

Uh huh. Especially if you enjoy puking your guts overboard while
your
bleach bottle boat unglues itself around you.

And yet plenty of Beneteau's make ocean crossings along with far lesser
vessels. Funny how everyone here likes to chant that long voyages can
be made by any boat with a skilled sailor at the helm. Desperate to
join the bandwagon, the Beneteau will suddenly fly apart and do so on a
ocean crossing we didn't buy her for anyway!

The thought of you doing offshore work is absolutely ludicrous, Bubbles.

Funny how elderly types like Bubbles love to call others elderly.

Hmmm. I just turned 43. I run my laps 4 days on and lift 3. Most of the
people here are older than me, much older and ALL are in worse shape.

Care to join me in a half-marathon? I'm old enough to be your . . . older
brother. (Here it comes, folks--Bubbles' claim that he runs the NY Marathon
annually, and wins. Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket.)

Powerboaters just love it when sailors talk about "fast."

They do? You must know a specific group of powerboaters who worry about
sailors sailing fast.

Worry? Hardly. They laugh so hard they spurt beer out their noses. Hell,
Bubbles, you should know--you now own a boat built by a company far more
interested in making fast trawlers and express cruisers than sailboats these
days. Maybe they'll give you a great deal on a trade. Then you can really
go fast.


It's a boat that can actually get to China, unlike . . .

Just in case someone who isn't educated is reading Maxipad's silly
comments, even a Catalina 25 can sail to China and do so without a
problem.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU can take a Catalina 25 to
China if you so desire, Bubbles. Leave me one of your myriad high-end
digital cameras in your will, would ya please.

People who suggest that the boat is the ultimate measure of
ability for a voyage are reading too many Island Packet ads. A Nordic
30 MIGHT be more comfortable due to her motion in bad seas, but in
every other area the 35s5 would do better. Even Doug posted as much.

Okay, Bubbles, put your hackles down and remove that hook from your mouth
before your gills dry up. I've told you before I like Beneteaus, and yes,
they are capable of making offshore passages. Would I choose one for a
transoceanic passage? No. Would I choose a Nordic 30? No. Would I take
my current boat? Doubtful. Would I buy a Beneteau as a coastal cruiser?
Maybe, but probably not because my boat fits my needs perfectly.

My comfort and well-being are too important for the right to claim that I
took a coastal boat across an ocean. There is a book by a man who, with his
wife, did some passage work in the Pacific with a Pacific Seacraft Flicka.
They both got so pounded and beat up that she refused to sail back to the
mainland with him. He did it alone and nearly killed himself. Was his boat
ever in jeopardy? Probably not. But it was anything but a positive
experience. I believe they sold the boat and became land lubbers. In a
technical sense nearly any old POS boat can cross oceans; it's the crew and
skipper that suffer the hardships and pain in doing so. I'd choose an Amel
Super Maru or perhaps one of Steve and Linda Dashew's boats for offshore
work. And while I wait comfortably at anchor in, say, French Polynesia
waiting for you and your beleagured family to arrive a week or so later,
beaten and bruised and disheartened in your Beneteau 35s5, I'll make some
inquiries with the local brokers as to how much and how quickly you can sell
your wonderful, fast, sleek yacht with the great interior and the swim
platform, and get three airline tickets home.

Or, you can daysail on Long Island Sound for the rest of your life. Your
choice.


And the door slams on Maxipad's fingers!

My fingers are fine, but your mouth is gonna hurt like hell.

Max

No Escape
 

In every respect it exceeds Mooron's vessel,


......except for the captain.



Well, finally we're in agreement. Suzanne is captain of the new boat
and she's not too experienced. You're otherwise correct...far better
boat.

RB
35s5
NY

No Escape
 

You are being VERY generous. Joe's boat is a true motorsailer, not an
aux, and
weighs a LOT. It probably keeps moving okay once you get it going, but



Jeff actually thinks it would be a close match. He just said so.


RB
35s5
NY

No Escape
 

Jeff actually thinks it would be a close match. He just said so.
Is Jeff aware that you are not allowed to motor during a race?


Good question. Jeff already admitted and I quote.."When our speed drops
below 5 knots we generally fire up the engines." So it's anybody's
guess. I'm guessing that Joe could motor faster than the 35s5.

RB
35s5
NY