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Any Sailor who sail the 7 seas should know the basics of navigation.

Questions for ye ol salts.

1.Define a celestial triangle.

2. Define the circle of equal altitute.

For navigation purposes what is the most important thing to know when
you get in your lifeboat?

Joe

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Celestial Triangle;;

A husband, a wife, a boyfriend?



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Joe wrote:
Any Sailor who sail the 7 seas should know the basics of navigation.

Questions for ye ol salts.

1.Define a celestial triangle.
PZS Pole, Zenith, Star

2. Define the circle of equal altitute.
The circle of points seeing our star at the same angle.

For navigation purposes what is the most important thing to know when
you get in your lifeboat?
Where you are.

Joe

One for you, what is an equal altitudes fix?

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Joe wrote:
Any Sailor who sail the 7 seas should know the basics of navigation.

Questions for ye ol salts.

1.Define a celestial triangle.

2. Define the circle of equal altitute.

For navigation purposes what is the most important thing to know when
you get in your lifeboat?


Too easy for an old salt, impossible for the "modern navigators."

My father-in-law was on the Oklahoma, one of the last ships torpedoed
in WWII. Being the radio officer, he knew his watch error. The
captain had brought a sextant and charts, and between to two of them
they were able to navigate, sailing about 1000 miles in 17 days, until
they were rescued.

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Well Gary and Ol Thom seem to be lost.

It was a basic question and Gary quickly lost every lubber here. And ol
Thom was thinking of the last threesome he par-took in.

Now you say Oklahoma.

What Oklahoma are you talking about?

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Any Sailor who sail the 7 seas should know the basics of navigation.

Questions for ye ol salts.

1.Define a celestial triangle.


Triangle drawn upon a spherical surface.

2. Define the circle of equal altitute.

A circle drawn upon a sphere with the geographical position of the celestial
body as the center and the circle as the points equidistant from the center
and upon the sphere surface.

For navigation purposes what is the most important thing to know when
you get in your lifeboat?

Is there enough toilet paper.

Amen!




Joe

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Joe wrote:
Well Gary and Ol Thom seem to be lost.

It was a basic question and Gary quickly lost every lubber here. And ol
Thom was thinking of the last threesome he par-took in.

Now you say Oklahoma.

What Oklahoma are you talking about?

SS Oklahoma, a tanker, sunk at the end of March, 1945 southern North
Atlantic.

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My grandfather, Gunther Pulst, was the captain of the u boat that sunk the
Oklahoma.

Heil!



"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Well Gary and Ol Thom seem to be lost.

It was a basic question and Gary quickly lost every lubber here. And ol
Thom was thinking of the last threesome he par-took in.

Now you say Oklahoma.

What Oklahoma are you talking about?

SS Oklahoma, a tanker, sunk at the end of March, 1945 southern North
Atlantic.

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You shall burn in your own lava lake now!

LP
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
My grandfather, Gunther Pulst, was the captain of the u boat that sunk the
Oklahoma.

Heil!



"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Well Gary and Ol Thom seem to be lost.

It was a basic question and Gary quickly lost every lubber here. And ol
Thom was thinking of the last threesome he par-took in.

Now you say Oklahoma.

What Oklahoma are you talking about?

SS Oklahoma, a tanker, sunk at the end of March, 1945 southern North
Atlantic.

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Hahahahaaa! I'm going to turn myself in now!

Abuse report sent! LOL

The *real* LP


"Blondie" wrote in message
...
You shall burn in your own lava lake now!

LP
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
My grandfather, Gunther Pulst, was the captain of the u boat that sunk
the
Oklahoma.

Heil!



"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Well Gary and Ol Thom seem to be lost.

It was a basic question and Gary quickly lost every lubber here. And
ol
Thom was thinking of the last threesome he par-took in.

Now you say Oklahoma.

What Oklahoma are you talking about?

SS Oklahoma, a tanker, sunk at the end of March, 1945 southern North
Atlantic.

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"Commode Joe " wrote

In other words... I can't answer the questions!


Boo hoo hoo hoo
Commode Joe

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Did the prayers send the cancer into remission?

Glad to hear you quit your stressful job!

Amen!

"Blondie" wrote in message
...
Hahahahaaa! I'm going to turn myself in now!

Abuse report sent! LOL

The *real* LP


"Blondie" wrote in message
...
You shall burn in your own lava lake now!

LP
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
My grandfather, Gunther Pulst, was the captain of the u boat that sunk
the
Oklahoma.

Heil!



"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Well Gary and Ol Thom seem to be lost.

It was a basic question and Gary quickly lost every lubber here. And
ol
Thom was thinking of the last threesome he par-took in.

Now you say Oklahoma.

What Oklahoma are you talking about?

SS Oklahoma, a tanker, sunk at the end of March, 1945 southern North
Atlantic.

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No, I don't believe he was.

Are you serious - was he your real grandfather, or are you just
wearing his socks? You know, you can get a mug with his picture on it!


Bob Crantz wrote:
My grandfather, Gunther Pulst, was the captain of the u boat that sunk the
Oklahoma.

Heil!



"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Well Gary and Ol Thom seem to be lost.

It was a basic question and Gary quickly lost every lubber here. And ol
Thom was thinking of the last threesome he par-took in.

Now you say Oklahoma.

What Oklahoma are you talking about?

SS Oklahoma, a tanker, sunk at the end of March, 1945 southern North
Atlantic.

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The Oklahoma sunk near the end of the war was sunk by U-532:

http://fortships.tripod.com/u532.htm

He's not my grandfather. My grandfathers fought the Cossacks and the
British.

That PDQ you have is a nice boat.

Amen!

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
No, I don't believe he was.

Are you serious - was he your real grandfather, or are you just
wearing his socks? You know, you can get a mug with his picture on it!


Bob Crantz wrote:
My grandfather, Gunther Pulst, was the captain of the u boat that sunk
the
Oklahoma.

Heil!



"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Well Gary and Ol Thom seem to be lost.

It was a basic question and Gary quickly lost every lubber here. And
ol
Thom was thinking of the last threesome he par-took in.

Now you say Oklahoma.

What Oklahoma are you talking about?

SS Oklahoma, a tanker, sunk at the end of March, 1945 southern North
Atlantic.

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Bob Crantz wrote:
The Oklahoma sunk near the end of the war was sunk by U-532:

http://fortships.tripod.com/u532.htm

Thanks, I have that link in my collection.

I like this one:
http://www.armed-guard.com/okie.html

My FiL is not on the list as he was Merchant Marine. He was the radio
officer mentioned. This account is as it had been described to me,
except that my FiL says that several old time Merchant seamen died
because they refused to drink water collected in the sails, fearing
that the canvas treatment was poisonous.

Its the same SS Oklahoma that was famously sunk by U-123 in April 1942
off St. Simon's Island. My FiL said no one would have signed on if
they knew it had been sunk before.

He had previously served in the Murmansk Convoys, PQ-17 and PQ-18.


He's not my grandfather. My grandfathers fought the Cossacks and the
British.

At least one of my great-grandfathers came to the US at the
encouragement of the Cossacks.


That PDQ you have is a nice boat.


Thanks. It has served us well.

Amen!

Gesundheit!


"Jeff" wrote in message
...
No, I don't believe he was.

Are you serious - was he your real grandfather, or are you just
wearing his socks? You know, you can get a mug with his picture on it!


Bob Crantz wrote:
My grandfather, Gunther Pulst, was the captain of the u boat that sunk
the
Oklahoma.

Heil!



"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Well Gary and Ol Thom seem to be lost.

It was a basic question and Gary quickly lost every lubber here. And
ol
Thom was thinking of the last threesome he par-took in.

Now you say Oklahoma.

What Oklahoma are you talking about?

SS Oklahoma, a tanker, sunk at the end of March, 1945 southern North
Atlantic.

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a) where you are
b) where you are going


"For navigation purposes what is the most
important thing to know when you get in
your lifeboat ?"

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Very Good..... you get the coveted asa point on that one.

Joe

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Very Good Bob. Now how can you use that info to navigate?

Joe

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In article .com,
Joe wrote:
Very Good..... you get the coveted asa point on that one.

Joe


Let me claify then... I'm in a lifeboat and it's dinner time. :-)


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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All lifeboats should have a sail. So to go somewhere first you need to
know where you are.

You should not row unless it's a short distance, if you have an engine
you should conserve your fuel for a surf landing ect.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in news:1132341516.383666.62990
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

All lifeboats should have a sail. So to go somewhere first you need to
know where you are.

You should not row unless it's a short distance, if you have an engine
you should conserve your fuel for a surf landing ect.

Joe



Screw the sail ..... all lifeboats should be covered, equipped with a good
sea anchor and EPIRB.

otn

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Right on!!!

EPIRB AND PROTECTION



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If you accurately know the time and roughly where you are you can estimate
your position on the surface of the earth by measuring angles from the
horizon in a given direction to known celestial bodies and the angles
between celestial bodies. Since the earth is not a sphere, one must know
roughly where one is to include an approximation for the ellipsoid surface
of the earth. Once one has a series of these angular measurements,
calculations are made and tables are consulted. Eventually, one arrives at
an estimate of position. This method has been in use for hundreds of years.
I could break out my old Dutton's from the Naval Academy and give you a
refresher if you want. It's been years for me.

Another method, used in space craft and ICBM's, has similar geometric
calculations except that the surface of the earth is no longer used as a
reference point. In fact, the reference point may be changing constantly in
radius. Typically in these astrodynamical calculations three reference stars
are used along with inertial navigation data and other types of
radiolocation data. The results of these input are Kalman filtered (weighted
time average) and the resultant intersection of the locus of the
navigational error plots from each system yield location. Typically, the
missile is whizzing along at 17,000 mph at altitudes up to 60 miles.

Amen!



..com wrote in message
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Very Good Bob. Now how can you use that info to navigate?

Joe

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Don't forget booze and chicks!


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Right on!!!

EPIRB AND PROTECTION



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Joe wrote:
For navigation purposes what is the most important thing to know when
you get in your lifeboat?


To not get into it at all, until you have to climb up to get in.

DSK

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How about your eprib, last known position, meteorological data [wind
direction/velocity etc] and knowledge of the local currents.... add
coastal chart knowledge for Bob and the Sea Tow telephone number for Binary
Bill.


CM

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
For navigation purposes what is the most important thing to know when
you get in your lifeboat?


To not get into it at all, until you have to climb up to get in.

DSK

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Joe,

In this day and age, A smart seaman is a hell of a lot better staying in
the area of the sinking. The range of aircraft and the locating ability
of radio signals makes rescue easier if they don't have to chase you all
over the Ocean



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Thats fine and dandy if you have a working epirb, VHF, sideband, satt
telephone. Which every wise ocean sailor should have. However as you
know things fail at the wrong times and you need to have the largest
tool chest of knowledge possiable to get out of a fix IMO.

Call me old fashion for not trusting all the new gadgets and relying on
myself .

Joe

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Joe,

I hear what you're saying but charts, tables, watch for GMT seems like a
larger load than a espirb & Sat. phone.

Even if you escape with nothing; sitting as close to last reported
position is still better than wandering the ocean. IMHO.




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