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Capt.Mooron wrote: "Maxprop" wrote in message So, Bubbles, would it upset you terribly to learn that there are at least two millionaires contributing to this NG? There may be more, but I'm aware of only two. Two People here won the lotto...?????? DANG! CM Don't be shy Mooron. We all know you're one of them. Oh wait, not in Canadian money. Ok. I apologize for that remark. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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DSK wrote: Two People here won the lotto...?????? DANG! OzOne wrote: My mum won an Opera House Lottery of 100,000 pounds in 1956/7. Lotta moola back then At 5% annually since 1957, it would have just passed the 1 million mark last year, looking at (substitute dollar for pound sign, which I can't find) $1,092,283.81 See now that's not so much, is it ;) But it's in Oz money... so, with the current exchange rate, about $45 US. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. Rob wrote: My new boat blasts your sea snail out of the water. You've got a slow boat to China there, bub. She's a sea anchor who dreams she's a sailboat. She has more wetted surface than a Blue whale and weighs I would much prefer a boat that can actually make it to China, but you do have a very nice boat. We wish you well with it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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I would much prefer a boat that can actually make it to China, but you
do have a very nice boat. We wish you well with it. Jonathan, even Neal's boat could make it to China just fine. A Nordic 30's advantages are also disadvantages. As you know there are many schools of thought on this, fast light boats vs. heavy for passages. Since I won't be going to China and neither will Mooron, I think the 35s5 represents more sailing fun, but this is based on the prevailing conditions we have here. If Mooron has heavy air often, then his boat makes sense as well. RB 35s5...not going to China NY |
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So who do you think are the millionaires?
I think Capt. Neal is the wealthiest one here. Amen! "DSK" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: So, Bubbles, would it upset you terribly to learn that there are at least two millionaires contributing to this NG? There may be more, but I'm aware of only two. Do you use the term "millionaire" defined as "annual income over $1m; or the traditional net worth over $1mil? If the latter, I know of two also, and two more that are very probable. I wonder if either of them are the same two! But don't get Bubbles upset, his mom bought him this computer at the pawn shop and he's trying to have fun with it. DSK |
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Capt. Rob wrote: I would much prefer a boat that can actually make it to China, but you do have a very nice boat. We wish you well with it. Jonathan, even Neal's boat could make it to China just fine. A Nordic 30's advantages are also disadvantages. As you know there are many schools of thought on this, fast light boats vs. heavy for passages. Since I won't be going to China and neither will Mooron, I think the 35s5 represents more sailing fun, but this is based on the prevailing conditions we have here. If Mooron has heavy air often, then his boat makes sense as well. I'm not willing to go quite that far. :-) Neal's boat, with the proper outfitting and the right skipper could make it. Having been offshore in mild to moderate conditions, I would pick solid and mid-level performance over light and fast (with respect to monos of course). Multis (modern ones for sure) are basically unsinkable for all but the most extreme situations, they're faster slightly off the wind, and they're easier on the crew. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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So who do you think are the millionaires? The ones I *think* or the ones I know for sure? I'm not telling either ;) I think Capt. Neal is the wealthiest one here. Spiritually, no doubt. DSK |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:25:26 -0500, DSK scribbled thusly: Hmmm, considering the cost of an average Sydney home in 1956 was something around 8000...it was a goodly sum. What was the exchange rate back then? My family was offered an acre in what is now the heart of silicon valley for $4K in 1958. Unfortunately, we were on the east coast and didn't jump on it. I guess it's true that hindsight is 20/20. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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DSK wrote: Bob Crantz wrote: So who do you think are the millionaires? The ones I *think* or the ones I know for sure? I'm not telling either ;) I think Capt. Neal is the wealthiest one here. Spiritually, no doubt. DSK Here's my guess: Mooron - in Canadian dollars (equivalent $40 US) Ozzy - in Australian dollars (equivalent $40 US) Neal - in his own mind Bob - on Usenet Crantz - in religious fervor Bart/Jeff/Doug/PWD - in experience Donal - in pseudo Euros Katy - in class Scotty - in trucks Joe - in steel -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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At 5% annually since 1957, it would have just passed the 1 million mark
last year, looking at (substitute dollar for pound sign, which I can't find) $1,092,283.81 See now that's not so much, is it ;) Captain Joe Redcloud wrote: During several prolonged periods between 1957 and now, you could have been making a LOT better than 5% without a lot of risk. Then there is compounding... That was compounding, stupid. It's that math thing. That 100k could be a LOTTA moola by now. And I suppose 1,092,283.81 is not? I'm fairly certain that even my gardener has a net worth of over a million dollars. He'd have to. Starter homes near here (1000 square foot ranch on 1/4 acre) routinely go for about 600k. There's nothing less than that. Median house price is well over a million. Look up the definition of net worth. Then get back to us. DSK |
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"Captain Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message So... How many times did you sail that "designed to be sailed" Snoredick 30 this season, Guy? Tell you what..... if you agree to refer to me as Capt. Mooron, Mooron or CM... I'll gladly engage you.... till then you have air.... No hard feelings PJ... it's just the way the game is played. CM |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Don't be shy Mooron. We all know you're one of them. Oh wait, not in Canadian money. Finally... years of waiting and you come up with a witty reply! No... I'm property rich and cash poor Ok. I apologize for that remark. Never apologize unless you've done somthing wrong. Reporting me was really wrong Jon.... that's a fact. CM |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Here's my guess: Mooron - in Canadian dollars (equivalent $40 US) Ozzy - in Australian dollars (equivalent $40 US) Neal - in his own mind Bob - on Usenet Crantz - in religious fervor Bart/Jeff/Doug/PWD - in experience Donal - in pseudo Euros Katy - in class Scotty - in trucks Joe - in steel Jonathan Ganz - in.... [add what you think] CM |
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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:27:00 -0500, DSK wrote: At 5% annually since 1957, it would have just passed the 1 million mark last year, looking at (substitute dollar for pound sign, which I can't find) $1,092,283.81 See now that's not so much, is it ;) Captain Joe Redcloud wrote: During several prolonged periods between 1957 and now, you could have been making a LOT better than 5% without a lot of risk. Then there is compounding... That was compounding, stupid. It's that math thing. I mentioned compounding, toothless one. I also mentioned what you obviously didn't know. Your 5% figure was borne of ignorance. That 100k could be a LOTTA moola by now. And I suppose 1,092,283.81 is not? Not compared to what thay money probably would have earned by now. Are you really this unsophisticated, or is it an act? I'm fairly certain that even my gardener has a net worth of over a million dollars. He'd have to. Starter homes near here (1000 square foot ranch on 1/4 acre) routinely go for about 600k. There's nothing less than that. Median house price is well over a million. Look up the definition of net worth. Then get back to us. My gardener has owned his own home, which is by no means a starter home, for over 30 years. It's paid off. He OWNS it. My guess is that it would sell for somewhere around 1.2 million. He also has been running a successful landscaping company all that time, and has a waiting list of people who wish he could be THEIR gardener too. Like I said earlier, he drives around in an 80,000 dollar car with a custom trailer. Paint matched, rims matched... You get the picture. Or maybe, since you are from a comparatively depressed and uneducated part of the country, you don't. Around here, you would barely qualify as middle class... maybe. I'm relieved! Commodore Joe Redcloud |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:27:00 -0500, DSK wrote: At 5% annually since 1957, it would have just passed the 1 million mark last year, looking at (substitute dollar for pound sign, which I can't find) $1,092,283.81 See now that's not so much, is it ;) Captain Joe Redcloud wrote: During several prolonged periods between 1957 and now, you could have been making a LOT better than 5% without a lot of risk. Then there is compounding... That was compounding, stupid. It's that math thing. I mentioned compounding, toothless one. I also mentioned what you obviously didn't know. Your 5% figure was borne of ignorance. That 100k could be a LOTTA moola by now. And I suppose 1,092,283.81 is not? Not compared to what thay money probably would have earned by now. Are you really this unsophisticated, or is it an act? I'm fairly certain that even my gardener has a net worth of over a million dollars. He'd have to. Starter homes near here (1000 square foot ranch on 1/4 acre) routinely go for about 600k. There's nothing less than that. Median house price is well over a million. Look up the definition of net worth. Then get back to us. My gardener has owned his own home, which is by no means a starter home, for over 30 years. It's paid off. He OWNS it. My guess is that it would sell for somewhere around 1.2 million. He also has been running a successful landscaping company all that time, and has a waiting list of people who wish he could be THEIR gardener too. Like I said earlier, he drives around in an 80,000 dollar car with a custom trailer. Paint matched, rims matched... You get the picture. Or maybe, since you are from a comparatively depressed and uneducated part of the country, you don't. Around here, you would barely qualify as middle class... maybe. Commodore Joe Redcloud |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:27:00 -0500, DSK wrote: At 5% annually since 1957, it would have just passed the 1 million mark last year, looking at (substitute dollar for pound sign, which I can't find) $1,092,283.81 See now that's not so much, is it ;) Captain Joe Redcloud wrote: During several prolonged periods between 1957 and now, you could have been making a LOT better than 5% without a lot of risk. Then there is compounding... That was compounding, stupid. It's that math thing. I mentioned compounding, toothless one. I also mentioned what you obviously didn't know. Your 5% figure was borne of ignorance. That 100k could be a LOTTA moola by now. And I suppose 1,092,283.81 is not? Not compared to what thay money probably would have earned by now. Are you really this unsophisticated, or is it an act? I'm fairly certain that even my gardener has a net worth of over a million dollars. He'd have to. Starter homes near here (1000 square foot ranch on 1/4 acre) routinely go for about 600k. There's nothing less than that. Median house price is well over a million. Look up the definition of net worth. Then get back to us. My gardener has owned his own home, which is by no means a starter home, for over 30 years. It's paid off. He OWNS it. My guess is that it would sell for somewhere around 1.2 million. He also has been running a successful landscaping company all that time, and has a waiting list of people who wish he could be THEIR gardener too. Like I said earlier, he drives around in an 80,000 dollar car with a custom trailer. Paint matched, rims matched... You get the picture. Or maybe, since you are from a comparatively depressed and uneducated part of the country, you don't. Around here, you would barely qualify as middle class... maybe. Commodore Joe Redcloud |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:27:00 -0500, DSK wrote: At 5% annually since 1957, it would have just passed the 1 million mark last year, looking at (substitute dollar for pound sign, which I can't find) $1,092,283.81 See now that's not so much, is it ;) Captain Joe Redcloud wrote: During several prolonged periods between 1957 and now, you could have been making a LOT better than 5% without a lot of risk. Then there is compounding... That was compounding, stupid. It's that math thing. I mentioned compounding, toothless one. I also mentioned what you obviously didn't know. Your 5% figure was borne of ignorance. That 100k could be a LOTTA moola by now. And I suppose 1,092,283.81 is not? Not compared to what thay money probably would have earned by now. Are you really this unsophisticated, or is it an act? I'm fairly certain that even my gardener has a net worth of over a million dollars. He'd have to. Starter homes near here (1000 square foot ranch on 1/4 acre) routinely go for about 600k. There's nothing less than that. Median house price is well over a million. Look up the definition of net worth. Then get back to us. My gardener has owned his own home, which is by no means a starter home, for over 30 years. It's paid off. He OWNS it. My guess is that it would sell for somewhere around 1.2 million. He also has been running a successful landscaping company all that time, and has a waiting list of people who wish he could be THEIR gardener too. Like I said earlier, he drives around in an 80,000 dollar car with a custom trailer. Paint matched, rims matched... You get the picture. Or maybe, since you are from a comparatively depressed and uneducated part of the country, you don't. Around here, you would barely qualify as middle class... maybe. Commodore Joe Redcloud |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:27:00 -0500, DSK wrote: At 5% annually since 1957, it would have just passed the 1 million mark last year, looking at (substitute dollar for pound sign, which I can't find) $1,092,283.81 See now that's not so much, is it ;) Captain Joe Redcloud wrote: During several prolonged periods between 1957 and now, you could have been making a LOT better than 5% without a lot of risk. Then there is compounding... That was compounding, stupid. It's that math thing. I mentioned compounding, toothless one. I also mentioned what you obviously didn't know. Your 5% figure was borne of ignorance. That 100k could be a LOTTA moola by now. And I suppose 1,092,283.81 is not? Not compared to what thay money probably would have earned by now. Are you really this unsophisticated, or is it an act? I'm fairly certain that even my gardener has a net worth of over a million dollars. He'd have to. Starter homes near here (1000 square foot ranch on 1/4 acre) routinely go for about 600k. There's nothing less than that. Median house price is well over a million. Look up the definition of net worth. Then get back to us. My gardener has owned his own home, which is by no means a starter home, for over 30 years. It's paid off. He OWNS it. My guess is that it would sell for somewhere around 1.2 million. He also has been running a successful landscaping company all that time, and has a waiting list of people who wish he could be THEIR gardener too. Like I said earlier, he drives around in an 80,000 dollar car with a custom trailer. Paint matched, rims matched... You get the picture. Or maybe, since you are from a comparatively depressed and uneducated part of the country, you don't. Around here, you would barely qualify as middle class... maybe. Commodore Joe Redcloud |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:27:00 -0500, DSK wrote: At 5% annually since 1957, it would have just passed the 1 million mark last year, looking at (substitute dollar for pound sign, which I can't find) $1,092,283.81 See now that's not so much, is it ;) Captain Joe Redcloud wrote: During several prolonged periods between 1957 and now, you could have been making a LOT better than 5% without a lot of risk. Then there is compounding... That was compounding, stupid. It's that math thing. I mentioned compounding, toothless one. I also mentioned what you obviously didn't know. Your 5% figure was borne of ignorance. That 100k could be a LOTTA moola by now. And I suppose 1,092,283.81 is not? Not compared to what thay money probably would have earned by now. Are you really this unsophisticated, or is it an act? I'm fairly certain that even my gardener has a net worth of over a million dollars. He'd have to. Starter homes near here (1000 square foot ranch on 1/4 acre) routinely go for about 600k. There's nothing less than that. Median house price is well over a million. Look up the definition of net worth. Then get back to us. My gardener has owned his own home, which is by no means a starter home, for over 30 years. It's paid off. He OWNS it. My guess is that it would sell for somewhere around 1.2 million. He also has been running a successful landscaping company all that time, and has a waiting list of people who wish he could be THEIR gardener too. Like I said earlier, he drives around in an 80,000 dollar car with a custom trailer. Paint matched, rims matched... You get the picture. Or maybe, since you are from a comparatively depressed and uneducated part of the country, you don't. Around here, you would barely qualify as middle class... maybe. Commodore Joe Redcloud |
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Around here, you would barely qualify as middle class... maybe. That's about three classes higher than you. DSK |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... So, Bubbles, would it upset you terribly to learn that there are at least two millionaires contributing to this NG? There may be more, but I'm aware of only two. Max, I told you NOT to tell anyone. Poor Scotty |
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So, Bubbles, would it upset you terribly to learn that there
are at least two millionaires contributing to this NG? There may be more, but I'm aware of only two. Scotty wrote: Max, I told you NOT to tell anyone. Hey, some of us know what one of those trucks cost even if Bubbles doesn't. I see ads for them when I'm looking for a new mob'l home ;) DSK |
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"Jeff" wrote ... Hey Bob: an old salt once said "A monkey shows his balls and a fool shows his money." Bob would show them, if'n he had any. Scotty |
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Capt.Mooron wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Don't be shy Mooron. We all know you're one of them. Oh wait, not in Canadian money. Finally... years of waiting and you come up with a witty reply! No... I'm property rich and cash poor Ok. I apologize for that remark. Never apologize unless you've done somthing wrong. Reporting me was really wrong Jon.... that's a fact. I thought I got you kicked off! Damn. I must be losing it. I apologized because I didn't mean to insult Canadians about the exchange rate. Years?? Minutes maybe seconds. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt.Mooron wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Here's my guess: Mooron - in Canadian dollars (equivalent $40 US) Ozzy - in Australian dollars (equivalent $40 US) Neal - in his own mind Bob - on Usenet Crantz - in religious fervor Bart/Jeff/Doug/PWD - in experience Donal - in pseudo Euros Katy - in class Scotty - in trucks Joe - in steel Jonathan Ganz - in.... [add what you think] intense. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message I thought I got you kicked off! Damn. I must be losing it. No Jon..... You never had it to begin with! I apologized because I didn't mean to insult Canadians about the exchange rate. Better check on your dollar..... it's dropping like your pants at a weiner convention! Years?? Minutes maybe seconds. A thousand apes & a thousand typewriters...... CM |
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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:WaYcf.119015$yS6.84981@clgrps12... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message I thought I got you kicked off! Damn. I must be losing it. No Jon..... You never had it to begin with! So, then I didn't get you kicked off? I must not be as powerful as I thought... sigh..... I apologized because I didn't mean to insult Canadians about the exchange rate. Better check on your dollar..... it's dropping like your pants at a weiner convention! Yeah, thanks Bush... Years?? Minutes maybe seconds. A thousand apes & a thousand typewriters...... We're all have our illusions. |
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-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com OzOne wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2005 13:09:47 -0800, lid (Jonathan Ganz) scribbled thusly: Here's my guess: Ozzy - in Australian dollars (equivalent $40 US) $ 39.98...Oz dollar ir down to US$ 0.7298 today. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message Fast?? ...don't make me laugh.. it hurts my aching shoulder. You don't race Bob... why would fast matter? Good point. The powerboaters on our dock laugh themselves silly when we sailors discuss "speed." Max |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message Fast = fun. It also means pointing upwind higher than your boat and better VMG on every tack. Let me put it another way... Pearson 30 PHRF ..........174 C&C 32 PHRF ................160 First 35s5 PHRF .............126 (bye bye!) Nordic 30 PHRF..............180 !!!!!! 330 Sea Ray Express..............30mph cruise, 48mph tops. Max |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... I would much prefer a boat that can actually make it to China, but you do have a very nice boat. We wish you well with it. Witty comment, Jon. Good one. Jonathan, even Neal's boat could make it to China just fine. You'd have been correct had you stopped after the word "China." A Nordic 30's advantages are also disadvantages. As you know there are many schools of thought on this, fast light boats vs. heavy for passages. True. Most who've raced in rotten conditions, such as the Sid-Hobart, believe that light, fast boats are great if you have the crew to man them. But they will fatigue crew and skipper quickly in nasty wind and waves. Those same sailors tend to prefer heavy displacement boats for cruising shorthanded in those same conditions. The heavy boats will allow the crew some latitude w/r/t the need to keep the boat on its feet and moving along with minimal input. The light boats require constant vigilance and input to keep them on an even keel, and they punish their crews. There was an article about a decade ago in SAILING magazine about this subject. The racers mostly prefered heavier boats than their racing machines for cruising. Since I won't be going to China and neither will Mooron, I think the 35s5 represents more sailing fun, but this is based on the prevailing conditions we have here. If Mooron has heavy air often, then his boat makes sense as well. If you and Mooron were headed for China, I'd go with him. For a number of reasons. :-) Max |
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"DSK" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: So, Bubbles, would it upset you terribly to learn that there are at least two millionaires contributing to this NG? There may be more, but I'm aware of only two. Do you use the term "millionaire" defined as "annual income over $1m; or the traditional net worth over $1mil? In at least one case it applies to relatively liquid assets. In the other, I'm not sure--could be net worth. If the latter, I know of two also, and two more that are very probable. I wonder if either of them are the same two! Probably. One of them has been rather forthcoming about his wealth and holdings in this NG. The other hasn't. But don't get Bubbles upset, his mom bought him this computer at the pawn shop and he's trying to have fun with it. So I take it you won't be surprised when we learn that he is actually 13 y.o.? Max |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message Golly, Doug!!! That's soooo facinating!!! Pronounced fah-KIN-ay-ting? Max |
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"Maxprop" wrote If you and Mooron were headed for China, I'd go with him. For a number of reasons. :-) If they were both going for a one hour sail, I'd go with Moron. For the obvious reasons. :-) Scotty |
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If they were both going for a one hour sail, I'd go with Moron.
For the obvious reasons. :-) Oh, sure....just because I sail sober. You continue to hurt my feelings, Scotty. Why? RB 35s5...a boat with no booze NY |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Capt.Mooron" wrote in message Fast?? ...don't make me laugh.. it hurts my aching shoulder. You don't race Bob... why would fast matter? Good point. The powerboaters on our dock laugh themselves silly when we sailors discuss "speed." Max Funny, racers never discuss it much either, unless it's something like, we feel slow, did we pick up weeds? Or, how much time do we give them, do they give us? John Cairns |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... | | "Capt.Mooron" wrote in message | | Fast?? ...don't make me laugh.. it hurts my aching shoulder. You don't | race Bob... why would fast matter? | | Good point. The powerboaters on our dock laugh themselves silly when we | sailors discuss "speed." | | Max | Around here if you mention "speed" to any boater they ask for a hit. CN |
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"John Cairns" wrote in message Funny, racers never discuss it much either, unless it's something like, we feel slow, did we pick up weeds? Or, how much time do we give them, do they give us? Yeah... I agree with you there John..... actual vessel speed is secondary. CM |
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"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Around here if you mention "speed" to any boater they ask for a hit. Ha ha ha....... sounds like a warmer version of my location. CM |
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