Why not a Multihull????
 

You have a budget of 50-300K. What boat would you buy...and why not a
multihull?




Robert B
35s5...the boat we wanted!
NY

Why not a Multihull????
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
You have a budget of 50-300K.

No, you don't.

Some of do, which is why you envy & hate us.

There's a HUGE difference between $50K and $300K. The fact that you seem
to lump them together shows that both numbers are far far beyond your reach.

Bubbles, I feel sorry for you.

DSK

Why not a Multihull????
 

There's a HUGE difference between $50K and $300K.


Wow! Really?
Anyone who owns a SAILBOAT want to answer the actual sailing related
question?

(PS: Doug, everything we own is worth more than your stuff and I'm 43
years old! Cheers!)

RB
35s5...a sailboat!
NY

Why not a Multihull????
 

which is why you envy & hate us.


Wow...I wonder if Doug actually thinks I "hate" people I don't know?
Scary thought!


RB
35s5...a boat for a sense of reality!
NY

Why not a Multihull????
 

Who in their right mind would put more than 50K$ into a boat?

Amen!

BC


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
You have a budget of 50-300K. What boat would you buy...and why not a
multihull?




Robert B
35s5...the boat we wanted!
NY

Why not a Multihull????
 

That's just when they start getting nice.
JB
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
Who in their right mind would put more than 50K$ into a boat?

Amen!

BC


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
You have a budget of 50-300K. What boat would you buy...and why not a
multihull?




Robert B
35s5...the boat we wanted!
NY

Why not a Multihull????
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote
Who in their right mind would put more than 50K$ into a boat?


Well now that's a loaded question, ain't it?

J B wrote:
That's just when they start getting nice.

Nah, there are lots of nice boats much cheaper. That's a good round
number to start looking for bigger ones that are nice, tho'.

What about $100K? Or $200K?

I guess it's all relative.

Funny thing, the buying price is just the ante. A few years ago, we
started getting active in trawler cruising circles and a Great Loop
cruising association. A number of people we met were talking about
buying a boat specifically to do the Loop, and when we got into details
they were all shocked at the idea of budgeting 20% to 50% more than
their purchase price for upgrades & commissioning... but two of the
folks we've gotten to be good friends with have done just that... or more.

Yeah, it's crazy!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Why not a Multihull????
 

Hole in the water you put money in.
JB
"DSK" wrote in message
...
"Bob Crantz" wrote
Who in their right mind would put more than 50K$ into a boat?


Well now that's a loaded question, ain't it?

J B wrote:
That's just when they start getting nice.

Nah, there are lots of nice boats much cheaper. That's a good round
number to start looking for bigger ones that are nice, tho'.

What about $100K? Or $200K?

I guess it's all relative.

Funny thing, the buying price is just the ante. A few years ago, we
started getting active in trawler cruising circles and a Great Loop
cruising association. A number of people we met were talking about
buying a boat specifically to do the Loop, and when we got into details
they were all shocked at the idea of budgeting 20% to 50% more than
their purchase price for upgrades & commissioning... but two of the
folks we've gotten to be good friends with have done just that... or more.

Yeah, it's crazy!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Why not a Multihull????
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
"Bob Crantz" wrote
Who in their right mind would put more than 50K$ into a boat?


Well now that's a loaded question, ain't it?

What do you expect?


J B wrote:
That's just when they start getting nice.

Nah, there are lots of nice boats much cheaper. That's a good round
number to start looking for bigger ones that are nice, tho'.

What about $100K? Or $200K?

I guess it's all relative.

True. It's also relative about how much of one's assets would they sink into
a depreciating recreational toy.


Funny thing, the buying price is just the ante.

Exactly.


A few years ago, we
started getting active in trawler cruising circles and a Great Loop
cruising association. A number of people we met were talking about
buying a boat specifically to do the Loop, and when we got into details
they were all shocked at the idea of budgeting 20% to 50% more than
their purchase price for upgrades & commissioning... but two of the
folks we've gotten to be good friends with have done just that... or more.

Yeah, it's crazy!


For most people:
50K is several years of disposable income saved up. Then after that, most of
the disposable income goes into maintenance, upgrades, etc. In the end, the
boat owns you. Then consider what if you took that 50K and invested it, look
at the lost opportunity cost.

A good portion of the American economy is based on frivolous purchases such
as this. But hey, that keeps people working and paying taxes and...

The rat race has a high entry fee and people will do anything to join.

Amen!



Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Why not a Multihull????
 

Who in their right mind would put more than 50K$ into a boat?



Someone with 51K?


RB
35s5...a boat that cost more than 50K!
NY

Why not a Multihull????
 

High end - multi, low end - mono

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
You have a budget of 50-300K. What boat would you buy...and why not a
multihull?




Robert B
35s5...the boat we wanted!
NY

Why not a Multihull????
 

High end - multi, low end - mono


Monohulls cost more per foot of volume by a HUGE margin. It's not even
close. The most expensive sailing boats in the world are monohulls.

RB

Why not a Multihull????
 

What about $100K? Or $200K?

I guess it's all relative.


Bozo wrote:
True. It's also relative about how much of one's assets would they sink into
a depreciating recreational toy.


That is exactly the case. To put a slightly finer point on it, how much
would they sink into *one* depreciating toy.

If you want a McMansion, a new Beemer and/or SUV every year, designer
jeans, the country club, the hunting trips to Alaska & the scuba diving
trips to St Kitts (input snow skiing or horses, alternatively), and a
nice sailboat, then you gotta either have one heck of a lot of
disposable income or else cheapen everything you do by some amount.

All I can afford is a nice boat... well, I do have a decent guitar...



For most people:
50K is several years of disposable income saved up.

That's because most people live at the outer limit of their means, if
not actually beyond. The down-home values of saving up for a rainy day
has largely vanished from American culture, and we're suffering for it.


... Then after that, most of
the disposable income goes into maintenance, upgrades, etc. In the end, the
boat owns you. Then consider what if you took that 50K and invested it, look
at the lost opportunity cost.


What if you save up for years, invest wisely, and can pay for both the
boat & it's upkeep out of your investment income?


A good portion of the American economy is based on frivolous purchases such
as this. But hey, that keeps people working and paying taxes and...


Yep. Gotta keep that wheel cranking!

The rat race has a high entry fee and people will do anything to join.


You sure do have a way with words. I assume you posted this excellent
saying because you wanted me to quote it... and I will be happy to oblige!

Regards
Doug King

Why not a Multihull????
 

Who in their right mind would put more than 50K$ into a boat?


Someone who loves sailing with 51K.


RB
35s5...a boat that costs more than 50K
NY

Why not a Multihull????
 

In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
High end - multi, low end - mono


Monohulls cost more per foot of volume by a HUGE margin. It's not even
close. The most expensive sailing boats in the world are monohulls.

RB


Huh? So what? If I have near $300K to spend, I would buy a multi. If I
had only $50K to spend, I would by a mono. Cats have a lot more room
than similarly sized monos... two hulls to one (nearly), but not the
weight capacity, unless you don't plan to go anywhere.


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Why not a Multihull????
 

I've made money on every yacht I've owned...except Etchells.


I also made money on each boat. The C&C 32 doubled our money back. I'll
make money on the 35s5 as well. It's quite easy to do. I'm always
amazed at how most people buy and sell at a loss. They seem to accept
as if they're like cars, which they're not.

Robert B
35s5....a boat that has gone up in value for 5 years.
NY

Why not a Multihull????
 

"Bozo" wrote

"DSK" wrote in message

"Bob Crantz" wrote
Who in their right mind would put more than 50K$ into a boat?

Well now that's a loaded question, ain't it?

What do you expect?

J B wrote:
That's just when they start getting nice.

Nah, there are lots of nice boats much cheaper. That's a good round
number to start looking for bigger ones that are nice, tho'.

What about $100K? Or $200K?

I guess it's all relative.

True. It's also relative about how much of one's assets would they sink
into
a depreciating recreational toy.


Funny thing, the buying price is just the ante.

Exactly.

I can see doing it, if the boat makes money. Either for
commerical fishing, or charter work. Boat costs should
be kept very low unless they can earn their keep. Chartering
makes a lot of sense. I plan to charter a big multihull this year.

Why not a Multihull????
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...
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| I've made money on every yacht I've owned...except Etchells.
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| I also made money on each boat. The C&C 32 doubled our money back.

Liar! You and other's who are locked into the American way of
consumerism (slavery to the government) always forget to add in
the costs. You buy a boat for fifty grand and you sell it for a hundred
grand a couple of three years later and you say you doubled your money.

But, you forgot to subtract the money you spent on upgrades, repair,
maintenance, dockage, haulouts, storing, insurance, taxes, fuel,
etc. etc. etc. Very easy to ignore all this stuff and claim large profits.

Same goes for houses these days. People are always claiming absurd things
like they doubled their money. BWahahahhahahahahah! They forget all
about the fact that the mortgage, for example, where they borrowed
a hundred grand amounted to about three hundred grand over a fifteen
year period. They forget all about insurance, taxes, maintenance, utility
bills, transportation to work because the live so many miles away, labor
spent on cleaning, mowing grass, upgrading constantly rotting wood, etc.
etc. etc.

The only sensible thing to do with a boat is to live aboard and sail from
a mooring, or to constantly cruise from one place to another. This way
you eliminate most of the bills including the cost of living ashore and
paying for dockage. Instead of a boat being a hole in the water into
which one pours money it becomes a hole in the water out of which one
can draw money because it saves all the typical expenses of living ashore.

But, you lubbers are too stupid to even realize this and too chicken
to live a real sailor's life. But, that's fine with me because I wouldn't
want you out here with me in the first place. You're not good enough.

CN

Why not a Multihull????
 

Liar! You and other's who are locked into the American way of
consumerism (slavery to the government) always forget to add in
the costs.



As you well know I had no costs. I had some fun doing sales for the
yard and pay no fees for painting, storage or anything else. In fact
they even bought me the dodger!

We MORE than doubled our money back.

RB
35s5...another boat to make money with
NY

Why not a Multihull????
 

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

The only sensible thing to do with a boat is to live aboard and sail from
a mooring, or to constantly cruise from one place to another. This way
you eliminate most of the bills including the cost of living ashore and
paying for dockage. Instead of a boat being a hole in the water into
which one pours money it becomes a hole in the water out of which one
can draw money because it saves all the typical expenses of living ashore.


CN

Simply pure economic brilliance!

Amen!

Why not a Multihull????
 

In article et,
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

The only sensible thing to do with a boat is to live aboard and sail from
a mooring, or to constantly cruise from one place to another. This way
you eliminate most of the bills including the cost of living ashore and
paying for dockage. Instead of a boat being a hole in the water into
which one pours money it becomes a hole in the water out of which one
can draw money because it saves all the typical expenses of living ashore.


CN

Simply pure economic brilliance!

Especially if you have no choice!


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Why not a Multihull????
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

The only sensible thing to do with a boat is to live aboard and sail
from
a mooring, or to constantly cruise from one place to another. This way
you eliminate most of the bills including the cost of living ashore and
paying for dockage. Instead of a boat being a hole in the water into
which one pours money it becomes a hole in the water out of which one
can draw money because it saves all the typical expenses of living
ashore.


CN

Simply pure economic brilliance!

Especially if you have no choice!
--
"j" ganz @@

It is a good choice--the best way to live.

Why not a Multihull????
 

In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

The only sensible thing to do with a boat is to live aboard and sail
from
a mooring, or to constantly cruise from one place to another. This way
you eliminate most of the bills including the cost of living ashore and
paying for dockage. Instead of a boat being a hole in the water into
which one pours money it becomes a hole in the water out of which one
can draw money because it saves all the typical expenses of living
ashore.


CN

Simply pure economic brilliance!

Especially if you have no choice!
--
"j" ganz @@

It is a good choice--the best way to live.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but don't encourage him.



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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com