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Multi Hulls Capsize in Yacht Race
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/4416828.stm 2 capsized and 1 dismasted in trans Atlantic race. -- Steve Thomas |
Multi Hulls Capsize in Yacht Race
None of them sunk I take it.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/4416828.stm 2 capsized and 1 dismasted in trans Atlantic race. -- Steve Thomas |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
"Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... | | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/4416828.stm | | 2 capsized and 1 dismasted in trans Atlantic race. | | -- | Steve Thomas | | There's your proof, Jeff Morris, that multihulls are inherently unstable. Ask yourself, in the same race, how many monohulls capsized. CN |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
There's your proof, Jeff Morris, that multihulls are inherently
unstable. Ask yourself, in the same race, how many monohulls capsized. Boats like Jeffs are not known to be inherently unstable. In fact they are quite safe. If you don't like healing, or the feel of a fast monohull sliding through the water, a trawler or Cat may be best. When we went out on the PDQ, my wife actually said the motion of the cat was making her feel sick. She never had that problem even on the tender Pearson 30. A Catamaran like Jeff's is not what the thrill of sailing is all about. And that's a fact. It may be fast but so is a Jetski which also isn't something most sailors want. Comparing the cat to my 35s5 is sort of like comparing a Motorhome to a Lotus. Until I'm old and worn out I'll take the Lotus! RB 35s5...the best performance boat here! NY |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... | | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/4416828.stm | | 2 capsized and 1 dismasted in trans Atlantic race. | | -- | Steve Thomas | | There's your proof, Jeff Morris, that multihulls are inherently unstable. Ask yourself, in the same race, how many monohulls capsized. CN The only thing that this proves is that you can't count to three. These were racing trimarans, not cruising catamarans. Sorry, Neal you lose whatever shred of credibility you cling to with these stupid claims. These tri's are the most extreme boats currently raced. If a third of them didn't DNF, they would make them even more extreme. And, the record of the style of monohulls in this race isn't very good either! |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Capt. Rob wrote:
There's your proof, Jeff Morris, that multihulls are inherently unstable. Ask yourself, in the same race, how many monohulls capsized. Boats like Jeffs are not known to be inherently unstable. In fact they are quite safe. If you don't like healing, or the feel of a fast monohull sliding through the water, a trawler or Cat may be best. When we went out on the PDQ, my wife actually said the motion of the cat was making her feel sick. She never had that problem even on the tender Pearson 30. I'm beginning to seriously doubt that you actually went on a PDQ. What was the name or number of it, or the owner? |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Self-Proclaimed "Capt." Robbie the Swabbie wrote:
Boats like Jeffs are not known to be inherently unstable. In fact they are quite safe. If you don't like healing, or the feel of a fast monohull sliding through the water, a trawler or Cat may be best. When we went out on the PDQ, my wife actually said the motion of the cat was making her feel sick. She never had that problem even on the tender Pearson 30. Multihulls do have a different motion, but it's hardly likely to make anyone sick. Especially in sheltered waters like LIS. Or are you saying that the truth is your wife (if you have one) is sickly & doesn't like sailing anyway? Jeff wrote: I'm beginning to seriously doubt that you actually went on a PDQ. What was the name or number of it, or the owner? Careful there, Jeff. You'll set off another round of Boobsie insulting everything about you and insisting that he "wins." After all, he's posting pictures of himself... or somebody, anyway... actually sailing... badly, but sailing! DSK |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Multihulls do have a different motion, but it's hardly likely to make
anyone sick. Doug, you are so clearly an idiot, it's just amazing that your next breath doesn't just kill you. ANY unusual motion might make someone feel sick, whether it be on a boat, car or an amusement park ride. Inner ear problems are highly variable. I myself get sick on powerboats, especially larger ones and Suzanne and I both noted we didn't like the motion of the cat which we sailed in some good chop near Niantic. Dr. Doug, please tell us all about motion sickness! Robert B 35s5...that's a WIND powered boat! NY |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Multihulls do have a different motion, but it's hardly likely to make
anyone sick. Capt. Rob wrote: Doug, you are so clearly an idiot, it's just amazing that your next breath doesn't just kill you. OOooo good one ...ANY unusual motion might make someone feel sick, whether it be on a boat, car or an amusement park ride. Uh huh. Usually small children and Pekinese dogs. .... I myself get sick on powerboats, especially larger ones and Suzanne and I both noted we didn't like the motion of the cat which we sailed in some good chop near Niantic. So, what you're really saying is that you both are sickly & weak-stomached, prone to upset tummy, and not really suited for all this sailing stuff on water that gets a bit wavy? DSK |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
"DSK" wrote in message ... Multihulls do have a different motion, but it's hardly likely to make anyone sick. Capt. Rob wrote: Doug, you are so clearly an idiot, it's just amazing that your next breath doesn't just kill you. OOooo good one ...ANY unusual motion might make someone feel sick, whether it be on a boat, car or an amusement park ride. Uh huh. Usually small children and Pekinese dogs. .... I myself get sick on powerboats, especially larger ones and Suzanne and I both noted we didn't like the motion of the cat which we sailed in some good chop near Niantic. So, what you're really saying is that you both are sickly & weak-stomached, prone to upset tummy, and not really suited for all this sailing stuff on water that gets a bit wavy? DSK You know, I've been offshore with someone on more than one occasion that was prone to seasickness, never stopped them from going. Seasickness is a very poor excuse indeed. John Cairns |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
John Cairns wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message ... Multihulls do have a different motion, but it's hardly likely to make anyone sick. Capt. Rob wrote: Doug, you are so clearly an idiot, it's just amazing that your next breath doesn't just kill you. OOooo good one ...ANY unusual motion might make someone feel sick, whether it be on a boat, car or an amusement park ride. Uh huh. Usually small children and Pekinese dogs. .... I myself get sick on powerboats, especially larger ones and Suzanne and I both noted we didn't like the motion of the cat which we sailed in some good chop near Niantic. So, what you're really saying is that you both are sickly & weak-stomached, prone to upset tummy, and not really suited for all this sailing stuff on water that gets a bit wavy? DSK You know, I've been offshore with someone on more than one occasion that was prone to seasickness, never stopped them from going. Seasickness is a very poor excuse indeed. Offshore the wind waves are superimposed on top of long ocean swells. Its the combination of these two that can get to people who are normally immune. Most people get used to it within a few days. |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Capt. Rob wrote:
Multihulls do have a different motion, but it's hardly likely to make anyone sick. Doug, you are so clearly an idiot, it's just amazing that your next breath doesn't just kill you. ANY unusual motion might make someone feel sick, whether it be on a boat, car or an amusement park ride. Inner ear problems are highly variable. I myself get sick on powerboats, especially larger ones and Suzanne and I both noted we didn't like the motion of the cat which we sailed in some good chop near Niantic. Now we understand why you won't sail outside of your very sheltered waters. It sounds a lot like you sailed with an inexperienced skipper, or perhaps someone who had no sympathy for novices. Again, are you sure it was a PDQ - which boat was it? |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Offshore the wind waves are superimposed on top of long ocean swells.
Its the combination of these two that can get to people who are normally immune. Most people get used to it within a few days. Read that AGAIN, Doug!!! So Jeff, who sadly owns a cat proves you WRONG! The best is when you trip eachother up!!!! Doug is BUSTED!!! RB 35s5...a no-seasickness design hull! NY |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Capt. Rob wrote:
Offshore the wind waves are superimposed on top of long ocean swells. Its the combination of these two that can get to people who are normally immune. Most people get used to it within a few days. Read that AGAIN, Doug!!! So Jeff, who sadly owns a cat proves you WRONG! The best is when you trip eachother up!!!! Doug is BUSTED!!! RB 35s5...a no-seasickness design hull, as long as it stays in the slip! NY Uh, and your point is that you stay in LIS because you get seasick? Isn't that what everyone is saying? If you get seasick on a cat in calm weather, the its best you never go cruising. The bendy is the perfect choice for you. |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
"Swab Rob" wrote If you don't like healing, don't marry a nurse? pure genius, Bob. SV |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... | | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/4416828.stm | | 2 capsized and 1 dismasted in trans Atlantic race. | | -- | Steve Thomas | | There's your proof, Jeff Morris, that multihulls are inherently unstable. Ask yourself, in the same race, how many monohulls capsized. CN Not unstable, they have great initial stability, thats why they are so fast. But they also have great initial stability upside down. They do lousy angles of vanishing stabilty. |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Capt. Rob wrote:
There's your proof, Jeff Morris, that multihulls are inherently unstable. Ask yourself, in the same race, how many monohulls capsized. Boats like Jeffs are not known to be inherently unstable. In fact they are quite safe. If you don't like healing, or the feel of a fast monohull sliding through the water, a trawler or Cat may be best. When we went out on the PDQ, my wife actually said the motion of the cat was making her feel sick. She never had that problem even on the tender Pearson 30. A Catamaran like Jeff's is not what the thrill of sailing is all about. And that's a fact. It may be fast but so is a Jetski which also isn't something most sailors want. Comparing the cat to my 35s5 is sort of like comparing a Motorhome to a Lotus. Until I'm old and worn out I'll take the Lotus! RB 35s5...the best performance boat here! NY Not what the thrill of sailing is all about? |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Jeff wrote:
John Cairns wrote: "DSK" wrote in message ... Multihulls do have a different motion, but it's hardly likely to make anyone sick. Capt. Rob wrote: Doug, you are so clearly an idiot, it's just amazing that your next breath doesn't just kill you. OOooo good one ...ANY unusual motion might make someone feel sick, whether it be on a boat, car or an amusement park ride. Uh huh. Usually small children and Pekinese dogs. .... I myself get sick on powerboats, especially larger ones and Suzanne and I both noted we didn't like the motion of the cat which we sailed in some good chop near Niantic. So, what you're really saying is that you both are sickly & weak-stomached, prone to upset tummy, and not really suited for all this sailing stuff on water that gets a bit wavy? DSK You know, I've been offshore with someone on more than one occasion that was prone to seasickness, never stopped them from going. Seasickness is a very poor excuse indeed. Offshore the wind waves are superimposed on top of long ocean swells. Its the combination of these two that can get to people who are normally immune. Most people get used to it within a few days. No-one is immune. It just takes the right day and the right night before. |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Uh, and your point is that you stay in LIS because you get seasick?
Isn't that what everyone is saying? If you get seasick on a cat in calm weather, the its best you never go cruising. Never got seasick in my life and we sailed the cat in pretty choppy conditions. Never said I stay in LIS for any reason. It gets rough even on the sound, or haven't you heard? The cat was awful. I'm hardly the first person to complain about a Cat's motion in chop. Thanks for proving Doug wrong! RB 35s5 NY |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
"Gary" wrote in message news:o1ccf.442767$1i.383930@pd7tw2no... | Capt. Neal® wrote: | "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... | | | | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/4416828.stm | | | | 2 capsized and 1 dismasted in trans Atlantic race. | | | | -- | | Steve Thomas | | | | | | There's your proof, Jeff Morris, that multihulls are inherently | unstable. Ask yourself, in the same race, how many monohulls | capsized. | | CN | Not unstable, they have great initial stability, thats why they are so | fast. But they also have great initial stability upside down. They do | lousy angles of vanishing stabilty. Jeff's always whining, "Gimme proof, gimme proof" every time I mention how multihulls are more stable upside-down than rightside- up but every time I give him the proof he tries to wiggle around like the proverbial worm on the hood and obfuscate by saying idiotic things like "Them's were trimarans not catamarans, as if a catamaran wasn't a multihull. The man just refuses to believe a multihull - although it has some virtues - in inherently unseaworthy and all it takes is to look at the pictures of what happens to them in a little ole gale of about fifty knots to see how unsafe they are when the elements get a bit rowdy. I've even heard tell of multihulls on mooring turning turtle during a good blow and that NEVER happens to ballasted monohulls. CN |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
"Gary" wrote in message news:K5ccf.449042$tl2.89628@pd7tw3no... Jeff wrote: John Cairns wrote: "DSK" wrote in message ... Multihulls do have a different motion, but it's hardly likely to make anyone sick. Capt. Rob wrote: Doug, you are so clearly an idiot, it's just amazing that your next breath doesn't just kill you. OOooo good one ...ANY unusual motion might make someone feel sick, whether it be on a boat, car or an amusement park ride. Uh huh. Usually small children and Pekinese dogs. .... I myself get sick on powerboats, especially larger ones and Suzanne and I both noted we didn't like the motion of the cat which we sailed in some good chop near Niantic. So, what you're really saying is that you both are sickly & weak-stomached, prone to upset tummy, and not really suited for all this sailing stuff on water that gets a bit wavy? DSK You know, I've been offshore with someone on more than one occasion that was prone to seasickness, never stopped them from going. Seasickness is a very poor excuse indeed. Offshore the wind waves are superimposed on top of long ocean swells. Its the combination of these two that can get to people who are normally immune. Most people get used to it within a few days. No-one is immune. It just takes the right day and the right night before. I've gotten sick myself on several occasions-hung over. Like I said, I do know someone prone to seasickness that never let it stand in their way, even managed an Atlantic crossing. They loved sailing. Again, a very poor excuse. John Cairns |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Capt. Rob wrote:
Uh, and your point is that you stay in LIS because you get seasick? Isn't that what everyone is saying? If you get seasick on a cat in calm weather, the its best you never go cruising. Never got seasick in my life and we sailed the cat in pretty choppy conditions. Never said I stay in LIS for any reason. It gets rough even on the sound, or haven't you heard? The cat was awful. I'm hardly the first person to complain about a Cat's motion in chop. Thanks for proving Doug wrong! You're so full of ****, Booby! If you had really sailed a PDQ you have mentioned it when you did. In fact until a few days ago you always talked about only sailing a Gemini. Suddenly, you had sailed a PDQ and Suzy didn't like it. Then it was a rough ride. Now its a horrible ride. Its pretty clear, booby, that this is another cheap troll and you've never actually seen a PDQ. Busted! |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
I've sailed on several cats on the SF bay in moderate chop of 4-5 feet.
There's not much to the motion created by this kind of chop. The cats (PDQ and a Seawind 1000) tracked straight and steady, and we could hardly tell there was chop present. The last time I had the 1000 out (a couple of years ago), the wind was a fairly steady 25-30 kts. The boat was so smooth that we forgot to reef until I happened to glance at the wind indicator. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Uh, and your point is that you stay in LIS because you get seasick? Isn't that what everyone is saying? If you get seasick on a cat in calm weather, the its best you never go cruising. Never got seasick in my life and we sailed the cat in pretty choppy conditions. Never said I stay in LIS for any reason. It gets rough even on the sound, or haven't you heard? The cat was awful. I'm hardly the first person to complain about a Cat's motion in chop. Thanks for proving Doug wrong! RB 35s5 NY |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
You're so full of ****, Booby! If you had really sailed a PDQ you
have mentioned it when you did. In fact until a few days ago you always talked about only sailing a Gemini. Suzanne's friend, Anthony had a PDQ 36 that we sailed twice. I believe you have a larger cat. I said I sailed two cats, ONE of which was a Gemini. At the time I said that I was actually thinking you had a Prout. Calm yourself. I don't think your heart can take it. RB 35s5....a boat that sails like a sailboat should! NY |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
Offshore the wind waves are superimposed on top of long ocean swells.
Its the combination of these two that can get to people who are normally immune. Most people get used to it within a few days. Sometimes just big swells can do it. Constantly going up and down like an elevator... it's no wonder that this component of a ship's motion is called "heave." No-one is immune. It just takes the right day and the right night before. Yep John Cairns wrote: I've gotten sick myself on several occasions-hung over. Like I said, I do know someone prone to seasickness that never let it stand in their way, even managed an Atlantic crossing. They loved sailing. Again, a very poor excuse. I've been very lucky, only seasick on a few occasions. One was when I was on watch in a Navy boiler room, on the lowest level in the burner alley. The ship was rolling about 20 degrees each way, and while the motion wasn't too bad down there, watching the bilge water slosh back and forth and back and forth made my stomach start doing the same. The other times have been down below when the sea state was up a bit, closed in the cabin, staring at the chart or trying to fix something. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Multi Hulls Capsize - Jeff Morris!
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other times have been down below when the sea state was up a bit, closed in the cabin, staring at the chart or trying to fix something. Fix something?? On your trawler? Can you believe that your life is finishing on a powerboat??? Amazing how bad things can get in life for some folks. RB 35s5...a wind powered vessel of speed and grace NY |
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