"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Ah ... er ... I hate to tell you this but it ain't silt. It's the same

"silt" that forms in a septic tank.


100% wrong. The bottom conditions of the Sound are quite unique and
specific after thousands of years. It's nothing at all like the bottom
of a septic tank. Of course it helps if you actually know what "silt"
is. You clearly don't. Quite simply...

No Bob... he's quite right. The term "silt" is used to describe both the
action [siltation] and the gradation [less then 0.0075] Silt generally
contains clays and other particulate matter. Clays have even smaller
particulate sizes.


1 : loose sedimentary material with rock particles usually -uf,1-
millimeter or less in diameter.

It's a generic term for the most part. Damage to the Sound has been due
to illegal dumping allowed by local and Federal goverments. The system
is recoverable to some degree. The water itself, literally "flushed" by
tha race every day is cleaner than the Maryland/PA or local beach
waters.

The very fact that a sediment can accumulate indicates that insufficent
"flushing" is present. The area is bottle necked and bowled which makes
efficent flushing very difficult unless the contaminant is suspended. Add to
the fact that sedimentation protects and seals lower layers as natural
settlement moves the heavier particulate matter to the bottom... and you
have a reciepe for a very difficult clean-up. Silt born contaminats are the
most difficult to remove and take the longest to recover. It is also one of
the most expensive type of contamination treatment situations since any
disturbance releases concentrated contaminants. I believe it was mentioned
that siltation depths exceed 10 ft in many areas. That is a phenomenal
amount of contamination.


Bob Crantz knows nothing about ecology. He's a Google hound with no
inherent knowledge base. And you may know even less.

You may be wrong there...... he may be pulling your chain... but the facts
do substantiate his claims.

Please avoid swiming or eating any seafood caught within proximity of your
area. Certainly do not let your child come in frequent contact with the
water there. The effects will not be noticed for many years... but they will
be noticed eventually.

CM

More Brilliance from Mooron!



"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Ah ... er ... I hate to tell you this but it ain't silt. It's the same

"silt" that forms in a septic tank.


100% wrong. The bottom conditions of the Sound are quite unique and
specific after thousands of years. It's nothing at all like the bottom
of a septic tank. Of course it helps if you actually know what "silt"
is. You clearly don't. Quite simply...

No Bob... he's quite right. The term "silt" is used to describe both the
action [siltation] and the gradation [less then 0.0075] Silt generally
contains clays and other particulate matter. Clays have even smaller
particulate sizes.


1 : loose sedimentary material with rock particles usually -uf,1-
millimeter or less in diameter.

It's a generic term for the most part. Damage to the Sound has been due
to illegal dumping allowed by local and Federal goverments. The system
is recoverable to some degree. The water itself, literally "flushed" by
tha race every day is cleaner than the Maryland/PA or local beach
waters.

The very fact that a sediment can accumulate indicates that insufficent
"flushing" is present. The area is bottle necked and bowled which makes
efficent flushing very difficult unless the contaminant is suspended. Add
to
the fact that sedimentation protects and seals lower layers as natural
settlement moves the heavier particulate matter to the bottom... and you
have a reciepe for a very difficult clean-up. Silt born contaminats are
the
most difficult to remove and take the longest to recover. It is also one
of
the most expensive type of contamination treatment situations since any
disturbance releases concentrated contaminants. I believe it was mentioned

that siltation depths exceed 10 ft in many areas. That is a phenomenal
amount of contamination.


Bob Crantz knows nothing about ecology. He's a Google hound with no
inherent knowledge base. And you may know even less.

You may be wrong there...... he may be pulling your chain... but the
facts
do substantiate his claims.

Please avoid swiming or eating any seafood caught within proximity of your
area. Certainly do not let your child come in frequent contact with the
water there. The effects will not be noticed for many years... but they
will
be noticed eventually.

CM

"Bob Crantz" wrote:
More Brilliance from Mooron!

He's a brilliant man...are you just know noticing?

LP

No Bob... he's quite right. The term "silt" is used to describe both
the
action [siltation] and the gradation [less then 0.0075] Silt generally
contains clays and other particulate matter.


Wrong Mooron. I posted the dictionary definition.

The very fact that a sediment can accumulate indicates that
insufficent
"flushing" is present.

No amount of "flushing" can remove the type of dumping that's occured.
This does not change the fact that the majority of the contamination
effects the base of the sound and not the water contained in it. That
water circulates and is exchanged on a regular basis. The water of the
Sound is clean, but the base is contaminated. No one has ever been
injured by swimming in these waters. I don't eat seafood from this area
because the ecological damage might extend that far. Still, I know lots
of people who eat what they catch here and no one is glowing or getting
sick.

RB

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
..

Sound is clean, but the base is contaminated. No one has ever been
injured by swimming in these waters. Still, I know lots
of people who eat what they catch here and no one is glowing or getting
sick.

RB


Pathogens are entering the Sound's waters due to the use of obsolescent
sewer systems. These older systems were designed to let rainwater runoff
flow through the same pipes as contaminated sewage. During mild periods of
precipitation, the rainwater and sewage remain separated due to a dividing
wall inside the pipes. To accommodate a surge of rainwater during periods
of heavy precipitation, the engineers included a gap at the top of the
dividing wall. This allowed overflowing rainwater to flow through both
sides of the pipe at once. This causes the rainwater to come in contact
with untreated human sewage. The contaminated rainwater bypasses treatment
and is dumped into Long Island Sound. These combined sewer overflow systems
are currently in use in eight cities around Long Island Sound: New York
City, Norwalk, Jewett City, Derby, Norwich, Shelton, Bridgeport, and New
Haven. Other Sources of pathogens are sewage treatment plant malfunctions,
unmonitored (illegal) connections to sewers, and sewage discharges from
ships in the sound.

The presence of pathogens in Long Island Sound presents a serious health
risk to humans exposed to them through the ingestion of improperly cooked,
contaminated shellfish or by bathing in contaminated waters. Exposure can
cause serious diseases such as salmonellosis and hepatitus A. Contamination
alerts diminish the regional economy by damaging the public's opinion of the
Sound's resources. Closings of beaches and shell fishing areas are results
of pathogen contamination (see figure 5).

http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/students/...land_sound.htm

From 1986 to 1990, the Management Conference identified 10 beaches that were
chronically closed (defined as closed for at least three days per year for
at least three of the five years) to swimmers due to pathogen contamination.
The chronically closed beaches, in order of severity, were Scudder Park,
Gold Star Battalion, Mamaroneck Area, Huntington Beach Community, Hempstead
Harbor Area, Centerport Yacht Club, Fleets Cove, and Mamaroneck Beach Cabana
and Yacht Club in New York and the beaches in the Norwalk and Milford areas
of Connecticut.

http://www.epa.gov/region01/eco/lis/ccmp/patho.html

Closings of beaches and shell fishing areas are results
of pathogen contamination (see figure 5).


Thanks for making my point, Bob. BEACHES have levels due to ground
contamination retention. This is not found in deeper water where we
swim. These waters are exchanged daily.
Sorry, you can't google your way around it.

RB
35s5...a better boat
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closings of beaches and shell fishing areas are results
of pathogen contamination (see figure 5).


Thanks for making my point, Bob. BEACHES have levels due to ground
contamination retention. This is not found in deeper water where we
swim. These waters are exchanged daily.
Sorry, you can't google your way around it.

RB
35s5...a better boat
NY

Aaahahahahahahahahahaaa!!!!!!

If the pollution is all on the bottom, guess which way it flows?

http://smig.usgs.gov/SMIG/features_0900/li_sound.html

The longitudinal salinity and associated density gradient that exists
throughout the year drives an estuarine circulation, where water flows
eastward near the surface and westward near the bottom (Riley, 1956; Wilson,
1976). Using data from 28 current meter moorings located 2 m above the
bottom, Gordon and Pilbeam (1975) calculated an average westward bottom flow
of about 5-10 cm/s.

Looks like the crap on the bottom flows westward. Toward City Island!

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Thanks for making my point, Bob. BEACHES have levels due to ground
contamination retention. This is not found in deeper water where we
swim. These waters are exchanged daily.

That is a totally false and misleading statement Robert. The contamination
will be "sealed" with depth and reduction of surge while it will be exposed
and renewed at the water's edge due to turbulence and replenishing from the
sedimentation occurring at depth which is subject to current and tidal
action. In other words... the sediment from the deeper portions feeds the
pollution at the beach.

It is _not_ safe to swim in contaminated water. Think of it as a very large
sewage lagoon.

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message n

Wrong Mooron. I posted the dictionary definition.


Do not dispute this with me Bob... you are way out of your league here. This
discussion encompasses a disipline with which I make my living and am well
respected for my knowledge in such matters.

No amount of "flushing" can remove the type of dumping that's occured.
This does not change the fact that the majority of the contamination
effects the base of the sound and not the water contained in it. That
water circulates and is exchanged on a regular basis. The water of the
Sound is clean, but the base is contaminated. No one has ever been
injured by swimming in these waters. I don't eat seafood from this area
because the ecological damage might extend that far. Still, I know lots
of people who eat what they catch here and no one is glowing or getting
sick.

You are very mistaken in that Bob... suspended particulate matter
contributing to such an overwhelming amount of sedimentation is proof the
water body is polluted. That's a fact.

CM

In article MY7af.96259$Io.28234@clgrps13, Capt.Mooron
wrote:

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message n

Wrong Mooron. I posted the dictionary definition.


Do not dispute this with me Bob... you are way out of your league here. This
discussion encompasses a disipline with which I make my living and am well
respected for my knowledge in such matters.

No amount of "flushing" can remove the type of dumping that's occured.
This does not change the fact that the majority of the contamination
effects the base of the sound and not the water contained in it. That
water circulates and is exchanged on a regular basis. The water of the
Sound is clean, but the base is contaminated. No one has ever been
injured by swimming in these waters. I don't eat seafood from this area
because the ecological damage might extend that far. Still, I know lots
of people who eat what they catch here and no one is glowing or getting
sick.

You are very mistaken in that Bob... suspended particulate matter
contributing to such an overwhelming amount of sedimentation is proof the
water body is polluted. That's a fact.

Quite correct. I just did a quick lookup in Periera's 'Land Use and
Water Resources' to refresh my memory.

What would Bob know about geomorphology or the water cycle? Zip.

PDW