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Capt. Neal® October 18th 05 01:13 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
Hey Capt. Rob,

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphi...150811W_sm.gif

I hope Wilma doesn't hit Tampa and I sure hope she doesn't turn more towards the Keys.
That's a five-day forecast track and they are often adjusted quite a bit one way or the other.
Being right in the middle this far out is often a good sign.

If Wilma stays on the forecast track or turns a little more east it would make four hurricane
near misses with tropical storm and hurricane force winds in three of them so far this season.
Boats at marinas don't fare so well. "Cut the Mustard" has survived wind and lightning but I'm
not too happy seeing another storm this late in the season coming this way.


Wishing you the best,
CN

Joe October 18th 05 01:27 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
So how many hurricanes have you weathered on Cut the Mustard?

I'm going to start a Hurricane Ace's Club.
All members must ride out 5 hurricanes on one boat.

It will be more rare to be a member then to be a Royal Shellback.

Joe


Capt. Neal® October 18th 05 01:33 AM

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"Joe" wrote in message oups.com...
| So how many hurricanes have you weathered on Cut the Mustard?
|
| I'm going to start a Hurricane Ace's Club.
| All members must ride out 5 hurricanes on one boat.
|
| It will be more rare to be a member then to be a Royal Shellback.
|
| Joe
|

Too many to keep count of. I'd have to add them all up since Andrew back
in 1992. Many have passed close enough to us here in the Keys to have
hurricane force winds but no eye has passed me here on Key Largo.
I'd guess around a dozen or so.

Put me down as a charter member of the Ace's Club.

I qualify without a doubt and on the same boat.

CN


Joe October 18th 05 01:43 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
Ok, But you need to provide the names and dates of at least 5
Hurricanes that you had 72+MPH winds.

I have one more to go on RedCloud...I've been thru at least a
dozen...but only 4 on RedCloud.

As a member you will receive a free Hurricane Ace's sticker to apply to
your cockpit, If you perfer..I
will provide you with an offical insigna and you can paint it on
yerself.

Do we have any others who have weathered 5 hurricanes on 1 boat?

Joe


Capt. Neal® October 18th 05 01:48 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
Joe,

Here is a good link that shows the paths of all the Hurricanes since way back.

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/hurr/hurtrack/

There are lots that have grazed southern Florida and the Keys.

I started in 1992 and am remembering them from year to year. Fun!

CN


"Joe" wrote in message oups.com...
| Ok, But you need to provide the names and dates of at least 5
| Hurricanes that you had 72+MPH winds.
|
| I have one more to go on RedCloud...I've been thru at least a
| dozen...but only 4 on RedCloud.
|
| As a member you will receive a free Hurricane Ace's sticker to apply to
| your cockpit, If you perfer..I
| will provide you with an offical insigna and you can paint it on
| yerself.
|
| Do we have any others who have weathered 5 hurricanes on 1 boat?
|
| Joe
|

Joe October 18th 05 02:05 AM

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Here in the Gulf Alicia in 83-84 was my first. We had 110 knots steady
and the eye went right over us. I was working offshore and lost my
home to the storm, It was OK because I did not pay much for it, just
getting out of the Navy I worked 14 days on 14 days off. It was laid
out across the neighbors lawn. I was on a great boat at the time. The
Point Barrow, Armored plated windows in the wheelhouse, 10,000 HP, even
the USCG seeked shelter on our boat. Destruction in the local area was
awesome, i would be rich if I had a viedo camera at the time.

Some time in the late 80's I went thru an eye at my house in La Marque
just N. of galveston. It was daytime and the eye was large and we had a
crystal clear bright blue sky for about 30 min.

Did you get your melted wire problems sorted out yet?

Joe
MSV RedCloud....A real farraday cage


Capt. Neal® October 18th 05 02:32 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 

"Joe" wrote in message oups.com...
| Here in the Gulf Alicia in 83-84 was my first. We had 110 knots steady
| and the eye went right over us. I was working offshore and lost my
| home to the storm, It was OK because I did not pay much for it, just
| getting out of the Navy I worked 14 days on 14 days off. It was laid
| out across the neighbors lawn. I was on a great boat at the time. The
| Point Barrow, Armored plated windows in the wheelhouse, 10,000 HP, even
| the USCG seeked shelter on our boat. Destruction in the local area was
| awesome, i would be rich if I had a viedo camera at the time.
|
| Some time in the late 80's I went thru an eye at my house in La Marque
| just N. of galveston. It was daytime and the eye was large and we had a
| crystal clear bright blue sky for about 30 min.
|
| Did you get your melted wire problems sorted out yet?
|
| Joe
| MSV RedCloud....A real farraday cage
|

Sounds like you've been in the thick of some nasty storms. Ya gotta be tough to survive -
or lucky.

Yes, I've gotten all my boat re-wired with 14 gauge wire so it's better than ever
because the thick wire makes for minimal voltage drop on the longer runs.

I've put in new distribution panels, new inverter, new solar panels, new charge
controller, new lightning protection for the solar panels and charge controller,
new VHF, new depth instrument and wind instrument (Navman), new running light
fixtures and lenses, new steaming light on the mast, new backstay, new throttle
cables on the Honda outboard as the old ones were melted and fused, new wire
for the 120volt circuits, new anchor light, new AM/FM/CD player, new wiring and
one new plug for my three tiller pilots all of which survived being in the clothes
locker. Replaced the electronics module on the fridge and have cold beer again.

I've warranteed a volt/ohm meter and one A/C adapter for one of the laptops.
Also one transistor radio. My handheld GPS I was ready to send in for warranty
because it was taking all day to acquire a constellation but I did a reset on the
CPU and re-installed the software and it seems to be working fine now.

I still need to go up the mast and install the new wind sensor, VHF antenna and
wires to them and the steaming light. I'm gonna wait on that till Wilma goes by or
hits, one. I've got chains cut to length which I can hang off the backstays off the
transom into the water so lightning, if it strikes again, can go to ground easier and
maybe bypass the wiring inside the boat getting to the cast iron keel.

Bottom line is the boat is ready to sail again and I've considered sailing off
to the south and east along the coast of Cuba to get east of Wilma but she
could well turn due east herself and nail me on a lee shore. So, I'm gonna
stay put again.

All told, not counting labor, the damage by the lightning amounted to about
three grand. No damage to the hull that I could find by snorkeling and looking
other than some paint chipped of blown off around a couple of thru- hulls and
some dark marks tracing across the deck towards the upper shrouds from the
foot of the mast.

The woman who works at the desk at the nearby marina said she saw the lightning
strike. She said it was a large, straight strike that seemed to last about three seconds.
OUCH! No wonder the ear that wasn't on the pillow rang for two days afterward.

I think the foam I poured into the hull might have saved my life. There was too
much insulation forward for the lightning to try to get through to ground so it
didn't bother. Lucky I was in the v-berth instead of sitting on the wooden
companionway steps where I usually am during lightning storms. A hole was
blown out of the bulkhead where the internal wires ran along some external
wires and this action would have been about six inches from my head.

May God have mercy on me.
CN


DSK October 18th 05 02:42 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
Joe wrote:
Ok, But you need to provide the names and dates of at least 5
Hurricanes that you had 72+MPH winds.

I have one more to go on RedCloud...I've been thru at least a
dozen...but only 4 on RedCloud.


How long have you owned her? we've been thru 6 or 7 named storms and two
hurricanes on the tugboat, and that's in 4 years.


As a member you will receive a free Hurricane Ace's sticker to apply to
your cockpit, If you perfer..I
will provide you with an offical insigna and you can paint it on
yerself.


Sounds cool. I will definitely apply, expect to qualify next year unless
Wilma pays a surprise vist up here.

BTW if we get a Cat 4 or 5, you will not see me "weathering the storm"
on board, I make the boat as safe as possible and then go far away. The
'Winnie W.' is a proud & lovely vessel but is not worth our lives.


Do we have any others who have weathered 5 hurricanes on 1 boat?


Bubbles has, but only in his fantasies. He took photos, too.

DSK


Joe October 18th 05 02:43 AM

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Well you got to expect to get struck at least once, It's a given with a
mast on water.

Mysterry & I were in my V berth onch when struck by lighting. I had a
pair of rabbit ears zipped tied to the forward stay and it blew out the
TV. You never seen such colors come out of a TV. Nothing else was
damaged.

To bad the marina gal did not snap a photo. Even the smoke would have
made a great pictu0)

Joe


Joe October 18th 05 02:57 AM

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I bought the HMS Neversail on December 12th of 1994. lived onboard
since Dec 17 1994.

Doug you Gotta ride out the storm on-board to become a member.

No other ace used a drone or UV. I remember your crusing hurricane,
what was it's name?

joe


DSK October 18th 05 03:11 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
Joe wrote:

I bought the HMS Neversail on December 12th of 1994. lived onboard
since Dec 17 1994.

Doug you Gotta ride out the storm on-board to become a member.

No other ace used a drone or UV. I remember your crusing hurricane,
what was it's name?


Isabel, Norfolk, 2003. We had 90mph winds locally.

Just a few weeks ago we had Ophelia go thru with winds hitting the low
80s. We were in our slip.

DSK


Capt. Neal® October 18th 05 03:24 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 

"Joe" wrote in message oups.com...
| Ok, But you need to provide the names and dates of at least 5
| Hurricanes that you had 72+MPH winds.
|

Here is my list of hurricanes and tropical storms. I bet nobody can
match my list.

1988 - Tropical Storm Keith when I was in St. Pete
1990 - Tropical Storm Marco in the Keys
1991 - Tropical Storm Ana in the Keys
1991 - Tropical Storm Fabian in the Keys
1992 - Hurricane Andrew in the Keys
1994 - Tropical Storm Gordon in the Keys
1998 - Hurricane Georges in the Keys
1998 - Tropical Storm Mitch in the Keys
1999 - Tropical Storm Harvey in the Keys
1999 - Tropical Storm Irene in the Keys
2004 - Hurricane Charlie in the Keys
2004 - Hurricane Ivan in the Keys
2005 - Hurricane Dennis in the Keys
2005 - Hurricane Katrina in the Keys
2005 - Hurricane Rita in the Keys


Now, make me a charter member. I deserve it.

CN

Capt. Neal® October 18th 05 03:27 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 



"Joe" wrote in message oups.com...
| Well you got to expect to get struck at least once, It's a given with a
| mast on water.
|
| Mysterry & I were in my V berth onch when struck by lighting. I had a
| pair of rabbit ears zipped tied to the forward stay and it blew out the
| TV. You never seen such colors come out of a TV. Nothing else was
| damaged.
|
| To bad the marina gal did not snap a photo. Even the smoke would have
| made a great pictu0)
|
| Joe
|

That reminds me, I had to toss the TV/VCR as the picture tube only showed yellow
at the top, green in the middle, and red along the bottom. . . . I tried to degauss
it but to no avail. I guess the phosphors were wiped out.

One good thing about a steel hull is the faraday cage protection it gives.

CN

Capt. Neal® October 18th 05 03:28 AM

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"DSK" wrote in message ...
| Joe wrote:
|
| I bought the HMS Neversail on December 12th of 1994. lived onboard
| since Dec 17 1994.
|
| Doug you Gotta ride out the storm on-board to become a member.
|
| No other ace used a drone or UV. I remember your crusing hurricane,
| what was it's name?
|
|
| Isabel, Norfolk, 2003. We had 90mph winds locally.
|
| Just a few weeks ago we had Ophelia go thru with winds hitting the low
| 80s. We were in our slip.
|
| DSK
|

I can understand the wife being in her slip but shame on you. I thought
Jonathan was the only one here into cross dressing . . .

CN

Lady Pilot October 18th 05 03:53 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 

"Capt. Neal®" wrote:

"Joe" wrote:
| Ok, But you need to provide the names and dates of at least 5
| Hurricanes that you had 72+MPH winds.
|

Here is my list of hurricanes and tropical storms. I bet nobody can
match my list.

1988 - Tropical Storm Keith when I was in St. Pete
1990 - Tropical Storm Marco in the Keys
1991 - Tropical Storm Ana in the Keys
1991 - Tropical Storm Fabian in the Keys
1992 - Hurricane Andrew in the Keys
1994 - Tropical Storm Gordon in the Keys
1998 - Hurricane Georges in the Keys
1998 - Tropical Storm Mitch in the Keys
1999 - Tropical Storm Harvey in the Keys
1999 - Tropical Storm Irene in the Keys
2004 - Hurricane Charlie in the Keys
2004 - Hurricane Ivan in the Keys
2005 - Hurricane Dennis in the Keys
2005 - Hurricane Katrina in the Keys
2005 - Hurricane Rita in the Keys


Now, make me a charter member. I deserve it.


Hmmm, I thought you said that the last 3 hurricanes were my fault?

Who did you blame before I came along?

LP



Thom Stewart October 18th 05 04:21 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
Hey Dopey,

I can't bestow membership but I sure as HELL TAKE MY HAT OFF to you.
Damn and you have the guts to laugh at the Northeasters 'cause they
can't sail in the winter. I can vouch for a few for you and also for
Doug and Scotty but you have them all topped.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma


Bob Crantz October 18th 05 04:26 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
Make sure the ground wire is much larger than 14 ga if you daisy chain them.
Is the wire stranded?


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com...
| Here in the Gulf Alicia in 83-84 was my first. We had 110 knots steady
| and the eye went right over us. I was working offshore and lost my
| home to the storm, It was OK because I did not pay much for it, just
| getting out of the Navy I worked 14 days on 14 days off. It was laid
| out across the neighbors lawn. I was on a great boat at the time. The
| Point Barrow, Armored plated windows in the wheelhouse, 10,000 HP, even
| the USCG seeked shelter on our boat. Destruction in the local area was
| awesome, i would be rich if I had a viedo camera at the time.
|
| Some time in the late 80's I went thru an eye at my house in La Marque
| just N. of galveston. It was daytime and the eye was large and we had a
| crystal clear bright blue sky for about 30 min.
|
| Did you get your melted wire problems sorted out yet?
|
| Joe
| MSV RedCloud....A real farraday cage
|

Sounds like you've been in the thick of some nasty storms. Ya gotta be

tough to survive -
or lucky.

Yes, I've gotten all my boat re-wired with 14 gauge wire so it's better

than ever
because the thick wire makes for minimal voltage drop on the longer runs.

I've put in new distribution panels, new inverter, new solar panels, new

charge
controller, new lightning protection for the solar panels and charge

controller,
new VHF, new depth instrument and wind instrument (Navman), new running

light
fixtures and lenses, new steaming light on the mast, new backstay, new

throttle
cables on the Honda outboard as the old ones were melted and fused, new

wire
for the 120volt circuits, new anchor light, new AM/FM/CD player, new

wiring and
one new plug for my three tiller pilots all of which survived being in the

clothes
locker. Replaced the electronics module on the fridge and have cold beer

again.

I've warranteed a volt/ohm meter and one A/C adapter for one of the

laptops.
Also one transistor radio. My handheld GPS I was ready to send in for

warranty
because it was taking all day to acquire a constellation but I did a reset

on the
CPU and re-installed the software and it seems to be working fine now.

I still need to go up the mast and install the new wind sensor, VHF

antenna and
wires to them and the steaming light. I'm gonna wait on that till Wilma

goes by or
hits, one. I've got chains cut to length which I can hang off the

backstays off the
transom into the water so lightning, if it strikes again, can go to ground

easier and
maybe bypass the wiring inside the boat getting to the cast iron keel.

Bottom line is the boat is ready to sail again and I've considered sailing

off
to the south and east along the coast of Cuba to get east of Wilma but she
could well turn due east herself and nail me on a lee shore. So, I'm gonna
stay put again.

All told, not counting labor, the damage by the lightning amounted to

about
three grand. No damage to the hull that I could find by snorkeling and

looking
other than some paint chipped of blown off around a couple of thru- hulls

and
some dark marks tracing across the deck towards the upper shrouds from the
foot of the mast.

The woman who works at the desk at the nearby marina said she saw the

lightning
strike. She said it was a large, straight strike that seemed to last about

three seconds.
OUCH! No wonder the ear that wasn't on the pillow rang for two days

afterward.

I think the foam I poured into the hull might have saved my life. There

was too
much insulation forward for the lightning to try to get through to ground

so it
didn't bother. Lucky I was in the v-berth instead of sitting on the wooden
companionway steps where I usually am during lightning storms. A hole was
blown out of the bulkhead where the internal wires ran along some external
wires and this action would have been about six inches from my head.

May God have mercy on me.
CN




Bob Crantz October 18th 05 04:27 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
I would tell you about the hurricane I rode out but you would have to give
me an armband rather than some silly patch or decal.


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
So how many hurricanes have you weathered on Cut the Mustard?

I'm going to start a Hurricane Ace's Club.
All members must ride out 5 hurricanes on one boat.

It will be more rare to be a member then to be a Royal Shellback.

Joe




Scotty October 18th 05 11:52 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
There are no hurricanes in the matrix.




"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Hey ****head Rob,


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphi.../AL2405W5+gif/
150811W_sm.gif

I hope Wilma doesn't hit Tampa and I sure hope she doesn't turn

more towards the Keys.
That's a five-day forecast track and they are often adjusted

quite a bit one way or the other.
Being right in the middle this far out is often a good sign.

If Wilma stays on the forecast track or turns a little more

east it would make four hurricane
near misses with tropical storm and hurricane force winds in

three of them so far this season.
Boats at marinas don't fare so well. "Cut the Mustard" has

survived wind and lightning but I'm
not too happy seeing another storm this late in the season

coming this way.


Wishing you the best,
CN




Scotty October 18th 05 11:57 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Put me down as a charter member of the Ass's Club.

I qualify without a doubt



Yup!



Joe October 18th 05 02:45 PM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
OK your a charter member, I will get the local boat lettering guy to
start on the Ace's Emblem and you will get the first one.

Joe


Bob Crantz October 18th 05 07:16 PM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
Not so.



"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:27:05 -0400, Capt. Neal®

wrote:


That reminds me, I had to toss the TV/VCR as the picture tube only showed

yellow
at the top, green in the middle, and red along the bottom. . . . I tried

to degauss
it but to no avail. I guess the phosphors were wiped out.


That would have been a 10 minute job to repair if you had any idea what

you
were doing.


CN


Captain Joe Redcloud




Capt. Rob October 18th 05 07:26 PM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
The
'Winnie W.' is a proud & lovely vessel but is not worth our lives.


She must be worth about 50 bucks then. A trawler a lovely vessel?
Good grief.

RB


Seahag October 20th 05 02:52 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 

"Joe" wrote:
So how many hurricanes have you weathered on Cut the
Mustard?

I'm going to start a Hurricane Ace's Club.
All members must ride out 5 hurricanes on one boat.

It will be more rare to be a member then to be a Royal
Shellback.


Aw, no fair, why the same boat? And do we get extra credit
for an airlift???

Seahag

Isadore
Floyd
Hugo
Isobel
And a bunch I don't remember after 25 years...

Gawd, I hope I don't have to deal with Wilma. Gosh, and
wouldn't you know it...Mr.H. is in L.A.

Seahag



Joe October 20th 05 03:06 AM

Windward First in Wilma's path??????
 
Your right Seahag. If you rode out 5 aboard a boat then your in.

Hurray! I qualify that way:0)

Joe



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