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trajedy in marina del rey
Last night on the news was a report that a man fell overboard from a boat
called Merry Mary (I assume that's the spelling) in Marina Del Rey and died during the sunset series races. They also showed another boat that had capsized and been dismasted. Yet there's nothing on the news today, either on TV, radio or online. It seems strange that a boat could have capsized in the calm conditions yesterday. It's even more strange that the story was pulled from the news. Did anyone hear about this? Any links to the story? |
Sailor falls overboard and dies at hospital
MARINA DEL REY - A man pulled from the Marina del Rey breakwater after falling off the side of a boat today died today at a hospital, authorities said. The man was reported in the water "where the ocean meets the marina' at 6:42 p.m., said Ed Pickett of the Los Angeles County Fire Department. He was in full cardiac arrest when lifeguards on a fire department boat pulled him from the water, Pickett said. He was taken to Daniel Freeman Marina Hospital where he died. Several other sailors in the area were trying to help the man out of the water when lifeguards arrived, Pickett said. The man was the only passenger on the boat he fell from. It was not clear how he went overboard, Pickett said. |
Here's some info I got from a friend that was racing last night:
"LAX recorded 18knots at 7pm with gusts in the low-20's and it was somewhat windier out from shore. I think the waves were the bigger problem. It was the roughest I've seen it for any of the wed night races in the last 3 years. There were at least 2 dismastings, one boat capsized, one sunk, people overboard from several boats, and lots of sail damage. Dock scuttlebutt was that the boat with the fatality was a Moore 24 and the boat that sunk was a MacGregor 26. We got soaked but enjoyed the ride, and had some really great surfs even without the spinnaker." |
I guess that's heavy air for So Cal. Up here it's a light day.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Brien Alkire" wrote in message ... Here's some info I got from a friend that was racing last night: "LAX recorded 18knots at 7pm with gusts in the low-20's and it was somewhat windier out from shore. I think the waves were the bigger problem. It was the roughest I've seen it for any of the wed night races in the last 3 years. There were at least 2 dismastings, one boat capsized, one sunk, people overboard from several boats, and lots of sail damage. Dock scuttlebutt was that the boat with the fatality was a Moore 24 and the boat that sunk was a MacGregor 26. We got soaked but enjoyed the ride, and had some really great surfs even without the spinnaker." |
I guess that's heavy air for So Cal. Up here it's a light day.
Yes, it's true that MDR is a light wind area. However, I think the waves and the fact that it was the first race of season probably played bigger roles (lots of new racers and sailors with rusty skills). Unlike my friends in the bay area people rarely wear PFD's around here. I'm sure there'll be a lot of debate about that. |
Personally, I think it's high foolishness to not wear PDFs. I don't see any
good reason not to, especially given the good quality and high comfort of PDFs currently available. I know for sure that one has a much higher chance of being boarded for an impromptu inspection if one isn't wearing one... at least up here. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Brien Alkire" wrote in message ... I guess that's heavy air for So Cal. Up here it's a light day. Yes, it's true that MDR is a light wind area. However, I think the waves and the fact that it was the first race of season probably played bigger roles (lots of new racers and sailors with rusty skills). Unlike my friends in the bay area people rarely wear PFD's around here. I'm sure there'll be a lot of debate about that. |
"JG" wrote in message ... Personally, I think it's high foolishness to not wear FPDs. If I see someone that isn't wearing one, I call the marine cops right away. -- "j" ganz @@ www.tattletalenow.com |
Scotty, is there some dumb point you're trying to make by changing around a
sailing post? Do you have no opinion of your own about PFDs? Sorry, rhetorical question. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... Personally, I think it's high foolishness to not wear FPDs. If I see someone that isn't wearing one, I call the marine cops right away. -- "j" ganz @@ www.tattletalenow.com |
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newshog.newsread.com!news-toy.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsprint.newsre ad.com!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontier net.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!newscon06.news.prodig y.com!prodigy.net!bo rder1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com !sjc-c01.usenetserver.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com !corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "JG" Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa Subject: local scuttlebutt Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:56:47 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: Lines: 27 Xref: news-toy.newsread.com alt.sailing.asa:416791 "JG" wrote in message ... Scotty, is there some dumb point you're trying to make by changing around a sailing post? Do you have no opinion of your own about PFDs? Sorry, rhetorical question. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... Personally, I think it's high foolishness to not wear FPDs. If I see someone that isn't wearing one, I call the marine cops right away. -- "j" ganz @@ www.tattletalenow.com |
And your point is????
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... Path: newshog.newsread.com!news-toy.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsprint.newsre ad.com!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontier net.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!newscon06.news.prodig y.com!prodigy.net!bo rder1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com !sjc-c01.usenetserver.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com !corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "JG" Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa Subject: local scuttlebutt Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:56:47 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: Lines: 27 Xref: news-toy.newsread.com alt.sailing.asa:416791 "JG" wrote in message ... Scotty, is there some dumb point you're trying to make by changing around a sailing post? Do you have no opinion of your own about PFDs? Sorry, rhetorical question. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... Personally, I think it's high foolishness to not wear FPDs. If I see someone that isn't wearing one, I call the marine cops right away. -- "j" ganz @@ www.tattletalenow.com |
"JG" wrote in message ... Personally, I think it's high foolishness to not wear PDFs. I don't see any good reason not to, especially given the good quality and high comfort of PDFs currently available. I know for sure that one has a much higher chance of being boarded for an impromptu inspection if one isn't wearing one... at least up here. What is the world coming to? Are Californians so devoid of testosterone that they would allow their vessels to be boarded because someone wasn't wearing a lifejacket? Regards Donal -- |
"JG" wrote in message ... And your point is???? You don't get it, do you you? The ng is being destroyed because you seem to think that it is acceptable to squeal. Your moral standards are not acceptable to the Usenet community. You should ask yourself if *you* are more important than the ng. Personally, I think that you should leave until you are ready to state unequivocally(sp?) that you do not report people to their ISP's. As I see it, you probably have made complaints about people who have suggested that you are a homo. Quite frankly, your posts do suggest that you have some serious sexual issues. I don't think that making complaints to ISP's will help you at all. Furthermore, your habit of posting headers is not only juvinille, it also smacks of pure stupidity... Give it up. Regards Donal -- |
Well Put Donal.... but more importantly.. well needed to be stated.
CM "Donal" wrote in message Your moral standards are not acceptable to the Usenet community. You should ask yourself if *you* are more important than the ng. Personally, I think that you should leave until you are ready to state unequivocally(sp?) that you do not report people to their ISP's. As I see it, you probably have made complaints about people who have suggested that you are a homo. Quite frankly, your posts do suggest that you have some serious sexual issues. I don't think that making complaints to ISP's will help you at all. Furthermore, your habit of posting headers is not only juvinille, it also smacks of pure stupidity... Give it up. |
"Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... Personally, I think it's high foolishness to not wear PDFs. I don't see any good reason not to, especially given the good quality and high comfort of PDFs currently available. I know for sure that one has a much higher chance of being boarded for an impromptu inspection if one isn't wearing one... at least up here. What is the world coming to? Are Californians so devoid of testosterone that they would allow their vessels to be boarded because someone wasn't wearing a lifejacket? It's the mindset that justifies his behaviour on this group.... CM |
That's complete bull****. Firstly, the newsgroup is not being destroyed.
Just because you and a couple of other people don't have the intelligence to ignore obvious trolls isn't my problem or fault. Secondly, who the f*ck are you to tell me about my own self-worth when you seem to have so little of your own. And, you certainly have no business or authority to tell me where or what to post. If you don't like my posts, you can kill file me, report me, or bash your head against the wall for all I care. Thirdly, you claim that I have "probably" made complaints about people calling me names, but you're such a wimp that you can't even make a definitive statement about it. If you believe that I have "serious sexual issues," that's certainly your business. How have you come to that belief? Please post the evidence, and while you're attempting to dig that up, keep a record of other people's sexual issues. I'm sure we would all benefit from your effort. Fourthly, I think you're either seriously stupid, or you have a slow news service, since I have rarely posted people's header information and certainly not recently. Nor have I made comments to the effect that someone is gay, straight, or twisted sexually. Promoting these lies is not only juvenile, it also smack of pure stupidity... Give it up. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... And your point is???? You don't get it, do you you? The ng is being destroyed because you seem to think that it is acceptable to squeal. Your moral standards are not acceptable to the Usenet community. You should ask yourself if *you* are more important than the ng. Personally, I think that you should leave until you are ready to state unequivocally(sp?) that you do not report people to their ISP's. As I see it, you probably have made complaints about people who have suggested that you are a homo. Quite frankly, your posts do suggest that you have some serious sexual issues. I don't think that making complaints to ISP's will help you at all. Furthermore, your habit of posting headers is not only juvinille, it also smacks of pure stupidity... Give it up. Regards Donal -- |
I think you're confusing testosterone with common sense. Having a bad
weekDonal? You sure are whiney these days. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... Personally, I think it's high foolishness to not wear PDFs. I don't see any good reason not to, especially given the good quality and high comfort of PDFs currently available. I know for sure that one has a much higher chance of being boarded for an impromptu inspection if one isn't wearing one... at least up here. What is the world coming to? Are Californians so devoid of testosterone that they would allow their vessels to be boarded because someone wasn't wearing a lifejacket? Regards Donal -- |
What mindset is that? Do you go out of your way to be stupid around the
authorities? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:wZgae.58$tg1.43@edtnps84... "Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... Personally, I think it's high foolishness to not wear PDFs. I don't see any good reason not to, especially given the good quality and high comfort of PDFs currently available. I know for sure that one has a much higher chance of being boarded for an impromptu inspection if one isn't wearing one... at least up here. What is the world coming to? Are Californians so devoid of testosterone that they would allow their vessels to be boarded because someone wasn't wearing a lifejacket? It's the mindset that justifies his behaviour on this group.... CM |
"Donal" wrote in What is the world coming to? Are Californians so devoid of testosterone that they would allow their vessels to be boarded because someone wasn't wearing a lifejacket? you never been to our 'gay coast', have ya? -- Scotty, A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice than any boat that bobspit uses for bragging on the Internet. |
Well, I still don't understand. Perhaps donal can help you.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... Path: monger.newsread.com!news-toy.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news stand.newsread.com!meganewsservers.com!feeder2.on. meganewsservers.com! 216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews. com!border2.nntp.dca .giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!sjc-c01.usene tserver.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernew s.com!not-for-mail From: "JGay" HOMO Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa Subject: local scuttlebutt Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:22:32 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: Lines: 69 Xref: news-toy.newsread.com alt.sailing.asa:422552 "JG" wrote in message ... That's complete bull****. Firstly, the newsgroup is not being destroyed. Just because you and a couple of other people don't have the intelligence to ignore obvious trolls isn't my problem or fault. Secondly, who the f*ck are you to tell me about my own self-worth when you seem to have so little of your own. And, you certainly have no business or authority to tell me where or what to post. If you don't like my posts, you can kill file me, report me, or bash your head against the wall for all I care. Thirdly, you claim that I have "probably" made complaints about people calling me names, but you're such a wimp that you can't even make a definitive statement about it. If you believe that I have "serious sexual issues," that's certainly your business. How have you come to that belief? Please post the evidence, and while you're attempting to dig that up, keep a record of other people's sexual issues. I'm sure we would all benefit from your effort. Fourthly, I think you're either seriously stupid, or you have a slow news service, since I have rarely posted people's header information and certainly not recently. Nor have I made comments to the effect that someone is gay, straight, or twisted sexually. Promoting these lies is not only juvenile, it also smack of pure stupidity... Give it up. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... And your point is???? You don't get it, do you you? The ng is being destroyed because you seem to think that it is acceptable to squeal. Your moral standards are not acceptable to the Usenet community. You should ask yourself if *you* are more important than the ng. Personally, I think that you should leave until you are ready to state unequivocally(sp?) that you do not report people to their ISP's. As I see it, you probably have made complaints about people who have suggested that you are a homo. Quite frankly, your posts do suggest that you have some serious sexual issues. I don't think that making complaints to ISP's will help you at all. Furthermore, your habit of posting headers is not only juvinille, it also smacks of pure stupidity... Give it up. Regards Donal -- |
There ain't much you DO understand, is there, NetKKKop?
Bull "Maxprop" Halsey "JG" wrote in message ... Well, I still don't understand. Perhaps donal can help you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... Path: monger.newsread.com!news-toy.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news stand.newsread.com!meganewsservers.com!feeder2.on. meganewsservers.com! 216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews. com!border2.nntp.dca .giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!sjc-c01.usene tserver.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernew s.com!not-for-mail From: "JGay" HOMO Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa Subject: local scuttlebutt Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:22:32 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: Lines: 69 Xref: news-toy.newsread.com alt.sailing.asa:422552 "JG" wrote in message ... That's complete bull****. Firstly, the newsgroup is not being destroyed. Just because you and a couple of other people don't have the intelligence to ignore obvious trolls isn't my problem or fault. Secondly, who the f*ck are you to tell me about my own self-worth when you seem to have so little of your own. And, you certainly have no business or authority to tell me where or what to post. If you don't like my posts, you can kill file me, report me, or bash your head against the wall for all I care. Thirdly, you claim that I have "probably" made complaints about people calling me names, but you're such a wimp that you can't even make a definitive statement about it. If you believe that I have "serious sexual issues," that's certainly your business. How have you come to that belief? Please post the evidence, and while you're attempting to dig that up, keep a record of other people's sexual issues. I'm sure we would all benefit from your effort. Fourthly, I think you're either seriously stupid, or you have a slow news service, since I have rarely posted people's header information and certainly not recently. Nor have I made comments to the effect that someone is gay, straight, or twisted sexually. Promoting these lies is not only juvenile, it also smack of pure stupidity... Give it up. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... And your point is???? You don't get it, do you you? The ng is being destroyed because you seem to think that it is acceptable to squeal. Your moral standards are not acceptable to the Usenet community. You should ask yourself if *you* are more important than the ng. Personally, I think that you should leave until you are ready to state unequivocally(sp?) that you do not report people to their ISP's. As I see it, you probably have made complaints about people who have suggested that you are a homo. Quite frankly, your posts do suggest that you have some serious sexual issues. I don't think that making complaints to ISP's will help you at all. Furthermore, your habit of posting headers is not only juvinille, it also smacks of pure stupidity... Give it up. Regards Donal -- |
"Donal" wrote in message
... "JG" wrote in message ... That's complete bull****. Firstly, the newsgroup is not being destroyed. Yes it is, Jonathan. Really? How so? You're still posting. I'm still posting. Other long-time members are still posting. Please demonstrate that it's being destroyed. Mostly, it sounds like you're whining because you don't know how to use a kill file. Just because you and a couple of other people don't have the intelligence to ignore obvious trolls isn't my problem or fault. It's never your problem, is it? Other people's problems are not mine. Are they yours? Are you the keeper of righteousness?? Secondly, who the f*ck are you to tell me about my own self-worth when you seem to have so little of your own. And, you certainly have no business or authority to tell me where or what to post. If you don't like my posts, you can kill file me, report me, or bash your head against the wall for all I care. Hmmmmm! Hmm... but you don't do it. Why not? Thirdly, you claim that I have "probably" made complaints about people calling me names, but you're such a wimp that you can't even make a definitive statement about it. OK, Let me make a definitive statement. You have made complaints to ISP's. That makes you a squealer in my eyes. And, I say you don't know what you're talking about. You're still being a wimp IMHO. It is clear to me that you have not been to boarding school, or been in the army, police, or fire service. If you had spent time in any of these institutions, then you would understand that squealing is never, ever, acceptable. You would understand that there is no greater insult than being called a "squealer". I certainly have not been to boarding school. That doesn't happen much in the US. As for the rest, you again don't have a clue. |
In my view it is, even in relatively calm conditions, especially on the SF
bay. What's your view? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... What mindset is that? Do you go out of your way to be stupid around the authorities? Is it stupid to sail without a lifejacket? Regards Donal -- |
"Donal"
: "JG" wrote in message ... What mindset is that? Do you go out of your way to be stupid around the authorities? Is it stupid to sail without a lifejacket? Depends, do you do it? Bertie |
"JG" wrote in message ... That's complete bull****. Firstly, the newsgroup is not being destroyed. Yes it is, Jonathan. Just because you and a couple of other people don't have the intelligence to ignore obvious trolls isn't my problem or fault. It's never your problem, is it? Secondly, who the f*ck are you to tell me about my own self-worth when you seem to have so little of your own. And, you certainly have no business or authority to tell me where or what to post. If you don't like my posts, you can kill file me, report me, or bash your head against the wall for all I care. Hmmmmm! Thirdly, you claim that I have "probably" made complaints about people calling me names, but you're such a wimp that you can't even make a definitive statement about it. OK, Let me make a definitive statement. You have made complaints to ISP's. That makes you a squealer in my eyes. It is clear to me that you have not been to boarding school, or been in the army, police, or fire service. If you had spent time in any of these institutions, then you would understand that squealing is never, ever, acceptable. You would understand that there is no greater insult than being called a "squealer". Regards Donal -- |
"JG" wrote in message ... What mindset is that? Do you go out of your way to be stupid around the authorities? Is it stupid to sail without a lifejacket? Regards Donal -- |
"Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... What mindset is that? Do you go out of your way to be stupid around the authorities? Is it stupid to sail without a lifejacket? It's illegal to sail without one. Scotty |
CAT FIGHT !!!!!!
"Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... That's complete bull****. Firstly, the newsgroup is not being destroyed. Yes it is, Jonathan. Just because you and a couple of other people don't have the intelligence to ignore obvious trolls isn't my problem or fault. It's never your problem, is it? Secondly, who the f*ck are you to tell me about my own self-worth when you seem to have so little of your own. And, you certainly have no business or authority to tell me where or what to post. If you don't like my posts, you can kill file me, report me, or bash your head against the wall for all I care. Hmmmmm! Thirdly, you claim that I have "probably" made complaints about people calling me names, but you're such a wimp that you can't even make a definitive statement about it. OK, Let me make a definitive statement. You have made complaints to ISP's. That makes you a squealer in my eyes. It is clear to me that you have not been to boarding school, or been in the army, police, or fire service. If you had spent time in any of these institutions, then you would understand that squealing is never, ever, acceptable. You would understand that there is no greater insult than being called a "squealer". Regards Donal -- |
One per person on the boat, but only kids are required to wear them.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... What mindset is that? Do you go out of your way to be stupid around the authorities? Is it stupid to sail without a lifejacket? It's illegal to sail without one. Scotty |
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