Bye Bye Alien!
 

Alien has been sold, folks. As expected we did very well. Not on the
agenda was to be caught boatless at the start of the season. We are
looking at the following boats and comments on the possible choices are
welcome:

C&C 37 Center Board
Tartan 37
C&C LF 38
C&C 35 III

Naturally Suzanne likes the Tartan, which is likely to be the most
expensive as well. We're looking at a beautiful C&C 38 in RI next week
and I'm testing out a Tartan 37 in Oyster Bay the following week. We'd
like to make the next boat as much fun and as profitable as Alien was.

RB

OMG call the rubber bus.

Joe

Where will you be sailing?

Scotty

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Alien has been sold, folks. As expected we did very well. Not on the
agenda was to be caught boatless at the start of the season. We are
looking at the following boats and comments on the possible choices
are
welcome:

C&C 37 Center Board
Tartan 37
C&C LF 38
C&C 35 III

Naturally Suzanne likes the Tartan, which is likely to be the most
expensive as well. We're looking at a beautiful C&C 38 in RI next
week
and I'm testing out a Tartan 37 in Oyster Bay the following week.
We'd
like to make the next boat as much fun and as profitable as Alien
was.

RB

Any new boat needs to be less than 5 foot draft to be most useful for
where you
sail. Even 6 feet will dramatically limit your options in the LIS.

I'm aware of that, which is why the deal for th 34+ and 37 non CB boats
were not a great idea, great deal or not. The Tartan 37, C&C 37 CB are
certainly fast, fun boats with the option of pulling up the board. The
C&C LF 38 is a great all around cruiser that draws 5 feet. There are
surprisingly few boats that meet the criteria.

1) Reasonable draft in a 35-38 footer
2) Good performance
3) cabin with births for someone of my height (6'3)
4) Good room for kids below and on deck
5) Nice lines
6) Better than average build quality
7) Price of 80K max
8) Nothing older than early eighties that doesn't need a restoration.
9) Well known builder so we can sell easily one day.

NOT on my list: Catalina, Hunter, Beneteau, O'Day, Cal.
Boats we like: C&C, Tartan, Sabre, Bristol
We're open to suggestions.

RB

We're open to suggestions. .

Buy a motorhome and join another newsgroup.

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

NOT on my list: Catalina, Hunter, Beneteau, O'Day, Cal.
Boats we like: C&C, Tartan, Sabre, Bristol
We're open to suggestions.


Seidelmann 37'.

SV

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com...
Any new boat needs to be less than 5 foot draft to be most useful for
where you
sail. Even 6 feet will dramatically limit your options in the LIS.

I'm aware of that, which is why the deal for th 34+ and 37 non CB boats
were not a great idea, great deal or not. The Tartan 37, C&C 37 CB are
certainly fast, fun boats with the option of pulling up the board. The
C&C LF 38 is a great all around cruiser that draws 5 feet. There are
surprisingly few boats that meet the criteria.

1) Reasonable draft in a 35-38 footer
2) Good performance
3) cabin with births for someone of my height (6'3)
4) Good room for kids below and on deck

Kids? Got another one in the oven already?

CN

"Scotty" wrote in message ...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

NOT on my list: Catalina, Hunter, Beneteau, O'Day, Cal.
Boats we like: C&C, Tartan, Sabre, Bristol
We're open to suggestions.


Seidelmann 37'.

Nobody's THAT dumb!

CN

SV

There are no stupid questions, only stupid replies to stupid
questions.

SV

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
Where will you be sailing?


What a stupid question!!

Regards



Donal
--

Do any of the boats on your list have good performance? I looked at a
Tartan a couple of years ago, and it was a very nice boat. However it
certainly did not have good performance. I thought that I might like
one
when I am retired.


I'd have to wind up pretty poor to retire with a Tartan 37, but to each
his own!
The C&C 37 is a very good performer. The C&C 38, Tartan 37 are
cruisers, but certainly not slow boats for true cruisers. I suppose if
I owned a First series Beneteau I'd need to keep telling myself that
"performance" is the end all. We took a look at Hunter, Beneteau and
Catalina, but the cheapness resounds compared to the C&Cs, Tartans and
Sabres. Working as a broker, I speak to many surveyors. I know what to
avoid. If we wanted nothing but perfornance I'd just buy a J35. But we
want a solidly built boat of reasonable quality along with good sailing
characteristics. We don't want a Tayana for these waters and winds
either. As I said, when you cut out the Catalina's, Oday's, Beneteaus,
Hunters and other low-brow brands, the choices are few and expensive
for older boats. I wish I could just settle for a Beneteau or Catalina
as that would be easy to find and buy. We'll buy something better for
Thomas. Meanwhile, we've set 80K or so as a limit for the 4th boat. I
plan to make money on this boat just as with Alien.

RB

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message


I wish I could just settle for a Beneteau or Catalina
as that would be easy to find and buy.

I once said the same thing about 800' carriers. Just couldn't settle for
anything under 1000'.

Bull Halsey

"Donal" wrote

So far, your boats have been selected on price, haven't they? Why
do you
think that the second half of your life will be more successful than
the
first half?


Second half?? Have you seen pics of bob? He's lucky if he makes it
to 50. Thomas will get his inheritance while he's still young enough
to enjoy it.

Scotty

"Scotty" wrote in message ...

"Donal" wrote

So far, your boats have been selected on price, haven't they? Why
do you
think that the second half of your life will be more successful than
the
first half?


Second half?? Have you seen pics of bob? He's lucky if he makes it
to 50. Thomas will get his inheritance while he's still young enough
to enjoy it.

Scotty


Check the Drudge report. They have a link to an article that indicates Bob might
live a long time. Seems overweight is not the problem it's hyped up to be.

Time for a nice milkshake . . .

CN

rusty could sail with 8 inch draft and still find a rock to hit.

Scotty


"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 00:14:20 GMT, Red Cloud®
said:

Any new boat needs to be less than 5 foot draft to be most useful
for where you
sail. Even 6 feet will dramatically limit your options in the LIS.

I don't think so. Mine draws 5 1/2 ft., and I haven't felt
particularly
limited (aside from the fact that my home port badly needs
dredging). Now if
you were talking the south shore it would be another matter.

So far, your boats have been selected on price, haven't they? Why do
you
think that the second half of your life will be more successful than
the
first half?

Nope. Tartan 37 and C&C 37 are among the better used production boats
around period. We could easily spend less with a Hunter or Beneteau,
but that would suck. Price has nothing to do with it. The only other
boats I'd be interested in would new, which is not smart money. I don't
see what my financial capability has to do with anything, but I see
that it somehow matters to you. Perhaps you can show the group better
boat choices?

RB

So far, your boats have been selected on price, haven't they? Why do
you
think that the second half of your life will be more successful than
the
first half?

Capt. Rob wrote:
Nope.

Really? So, it wasn't you that spent months & months bragging about how
little you paid for your last boat?

... Tartan 37 and C&C 37 are among the better used production boats
around period. We could easily spend less with a Hunter or Beneteau,
but that would suck.

Why? It's not like you're planning to actually go sailing.

... Price has nothing to do with it. The only other
boats I'd be interested in would new, which is not smart money.

This makes no sense. If "price has nothing to do with it" then why not
buy new? You wouldn't have all the lack-of-maintenance issues your last
boat had. And if money is really no object, buy an Oyster. The quality
difference is huge.


... I don't
see what my financial capability has to do with anything, but I see
that it somehow matters to you. Perhaps you can show the group better
boat choices?


A Snark that actually gets sailed would a better choice than any boat
that only gets used as a bragging implement on the internet.

DSK

"DSK" wrote


A Snark that actually gets sailed would a better choice than any
boat
that only gets used as a bragging implement on the internet.


Brilliant! Can I use that as my sig.?

Scotty,
A Snark that actually gets sailed would a better choice than any boat
that only gets used as a bragging implement on the Internet.

Scotty wrote:
Brilliant! Can I use that as my sig.?

Scotty,
A Snark that actually gets sailed would a better choice than any boat
that only gets used as a bragging implement on the Internet.


Sure, help yourself. It needs a little work, I'm not comfortable saying
words like "implement" whereas Taddy can make almost any words fit
perfectly.

DSK

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
So far, your boats have been selected on price, haven't they? Why do
you
think that the second half of your life will be more successful than
the
first half?

Nope. Tartan 37 and C&C 37 are among the better used production boats
around period. We could easily spend less with a Hunter or Beneteau,

Depends on the age of the boat, doesn't it? A new Beneteau could cost an
awful lot more than a used Tartan.


but that would suck.

Why? A Beneteau First series will outperform a Tartan any day. If you are
genuinely interested in sailing, then the Tartan should come a poor second
to a First. A Tartan cannot provide the sailing thrills that a First can.
A Tartan won't do 9 kts, whereas a First will do more than 15 kts.




Price has nothing to do with it. The only other
boats I'd be interested in would new, which is not smart money.

Why not? I'm beginning to have to do winter maintenance on my boat. I
really don't like it at all!! One of my batteries has failed, and finding a
replacement is proving to be a bit of a hassle.


I don't
see what my financial capability has to do with anything, but I see
that it somehow matters to you. Perhaps you can show the group better
boat choices?

Look at Malo boats. They are really nice! If they could go faster, I
would get one tomorrow. Unfortunately, I don't think that you could find a
cheap secondhand Malo, so it is probably out of your reach. When I am a bit
older, and performance becomes less important than comfort, then I will buy
a Malo.



Regards


Donal

--

how's this?


--
Scotty,
A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice
than any boat that bobspit uses for bragging on the Internet.



"DSK" wrote in message
t...
Scotty wrote:
Brilliant! Can I use that as my sig.?

Scotty,
A Snark that actually gets sailed would a better choice than any
boat
that only gets used as a bragging implement on the Internet.


Sure, help yourself. It needs a little work, I'm not comfortable
saying
words like "implement" whereas Taddy can make almost any words fit
perfectly.

DSK

"Donal" wrote


A Tartan cannot provide the sailing thrills that a First can.
A Tartan won't do 9 kts, whereas a First will do more than 15 kts.


With bob saili...er, at the wheel?



One of my batteries has failed, and finding a
replacement is proving to be a bit of a hassle.


Why? What kind of batt.?


--
Scotty,
A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice
than any boat that bobspit uses for bragging on the Internet.

Scotty wrote:
how's this?


--
Scotty,
A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice
than any boat that bobspit uses for bragging on the Internet.


What, can't you make it rhyme, at least??!?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
how's this?


--
Scotty,
A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice
than any boat that bobspit uses for bragging on the Internet.


What, can't you make it rhyme, at least??!?


Where's Taddy when you need him?