Blue Water Motor Sailing????
 

Thats because your a Putz and have never motor sailed. Motor Sailers
are the ultimate Blue Water Cruisers. Never be-calmed and always able
to forge ahead at a pace the master set.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

"Blue water sailing" to me means open ocean. Not island hopping. Not
coastal cruising. But rather, being somewhere where your skills, judgment
and equipment rule the day. Not depending upon others for rescue, for
instance.

A Coronado is not a blue water boat. Can peeps sail it across oceans?
Sure, if they have a death wish. They may even make it alive! But that
boat was not designed for 'blue water' sailing. Can't take serious weather,
can't survive a real pounding. A motorsailing boat can be considered 'blue
water'. If it has a stiff rig, strongly built, redundant systems, etc. Any
real open ocean sailing I have done includes running the engine if we can't
sail above 5 knots on wind alone, or even if we just need to point a little
higher in order to stay close to on course. To just sit there and sail any
slower is inviting potential disaster. Weather will catch up with you. And
that may not be a problem for us hardy sailors, but not everyone has crew as
hardy as me. Some have women and children (or men) that are not very
experienced, and can't be counted on during a blow. And what about
schedules? In the real world, people have schedules to keep. You must
maintain speed in order to keep to somewhat of a schedule.

So to me 'blue water' means a type of sailing, or a type of situation, not a
type of boat.

--
Captain Lon

"Rock stars! Is there anything they don't know?" Homer Simpson


"Joshua Slocum" wrote in message
...
http://www.bwsailing.com/


This is a disgrace. What's become of the term 'blue water
sailing' when a magazine named "Blue Water Sailing" features
motorsailers?

Never can a motorsailer be considered a blue water boat. They
sail like pigs and once the fuel runs out they're dangerous to
their occupants. I just can't imagine even wanting to be blue
water sailing while having to listen to the noise and smell of
an engine. And, they call this progress...


Fair winds,
Capt. Josh

--
"You must then know the sea and know that you know it
and not forget that it was meant to be sailed over."

"Dave" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:43:12 +0000 (UTC), Joshua Slocum
said:

"NNTP-Posting-Host: shpxurnq.databasix.com"

Guess that says it all.


Gonna netKKKop him?

CN

"Dave" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:06:36 +0000 (UTC), Joshua Slocum
said:

Next thing you'll be aclaimin' is a proper yacht should be
constructed of steel instead of wood. And you have the nerve to
call me a putz?

I don't have a motor sailer, but I'll join him in calling you a putz.


Can't help noticing Josh didn't put YOU on his list of captains.
Bitter about it, Dave?

CN

Yup... pretty much does.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:43:12 +0000 (UTC), Joshua Slocum
said:

"NNTP-Posting-Host: shpxurnq.databasix.com"

Guess that says it all.

Joshua Slocum wrote:
"Joe" wrote in
oups.com:

Thats because your a Putz and have never motor sailed. Motor
Sailers are the ultimate Blue Water Cruisers. Never be-calmed
and always able to forge ahead at a pace the master set.

Joe
MSV RedCloud




MSV?? What's that mean? Motor Sailer Vessel?

Motor/Sailing Vessel

If so, it's no
wonder you're an advocate. Smelled too many exhaust fumes and
warped your thinking, it seems.

Most times running downwind I sail only, extra power is not needed to
obtain hull speed, You would think a fomous mariner like you would
understand that. And we running upwind I leave my exhaust in my wake.

Motor sailed? I've never motor sailed and I'm proud of the fact!
Motor sailing is in the same class as motor rowing - you ain't
arowin' if you're amotorin' and you ain't asailin' if your
amotorin'.

I disagree.. If the sail are applying pressure to move the vessel then
you are indeed sailing. If you apply just enough pressure with your
prop to obtain hull speed then you are assisting your sails. Do not
throw away the bicycle just because you know how to walk.


Just so you know, being becalmed is part of sailing.

I agree, and if I have the need to be becalmed I all I have to do to do
it as well as you is nothing.

Iron jennys
are an abomination to life at sea on other than commercial
enterprise where they have their place.

Yes and cars are an abomination to life on land on other than
commerical application where they have a place. However the benifits
outweighs the cost overall.



Next thing you'll be aclaimin' is a proper yacht should be
constructed of steel instead of wood. And you have the nerve to
call me a putz? You're a motorboater, straight and forward.
Perhaps I made a mistake aputtin' you on the captain's list.


RedCloud is a 100% sailing vessel, and 100% power vessel. Or any
mixture of the two. I would say its usually 80%sail power 20% motor. In
other word is 100 times better than most boats.

What have ye to say in your defense, sir?


99.9 % of the time when just daysailing like 99% of this group, I
purely sail as im not on a journey and eager to arrive.

How's the weather in the Keys?

Joe
MSV RedCloud




Fair winds,
Capt. Josh

--
"You must then know the sea and know that you know it
and not forget that it was meant to be sailed over."

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Joshua Slocum wrote:
"Joe" wrote in
oups.com:

Thats because your a Putz and have never motor sailed. Motor
Sailers are the ultimate Blue Water Cruisers. Never be-calmed
and always able to forge ahead at a pace the master set.

Joe
MSV RedCloud




MSV?? What's that mean? Motor Sailer Vessel?

Motor/Sailing Vessel

If so, it's no
wonder you're an advocate. Smelled too many exhaust fumes and
warped your thinking, it seems.

Most times running downwind I sail only, extra power is not needed to
obtain hull speed, You would think a fomous mariner like you would
understand that. And we running upwind I leave my exhaust in my wake.

Motor sailed? I've never motor sailed and I'm proud of the fact!
Motor sailing is in the same class as motor rowing - you ain't
arowin' if you're amotorin' and you ain't asailin' if your
amotorin'.

I disagree.. If the sail are applying pressure to move the vessel then
you are indeed sailing. If you apply just enough pressure with your
prop to obtain hull speed then you are assisting your sails. Do not
throw away the bicycle just because you know how to walk.


Just so you know, being becalmed is part of sailing.

I agree, and if I have the need to be becalmed I all I have to do to do
it as well as you is nothing.

Iron jennys
are an abomination to life at sea on other than commercial
enterprise where they have their place.

Yes and cars are an abomination to life on land on other than
commerical application where they have a place. However the benifits
outweighs the cost overall.



Next thing you'll be aclaimin' is a proper yacht should be
constructed of steel instead of wood. And you have the nerve to
call me a putz? You're a motorboater, straight and forward.
Perhaps I made a mistake aputtin' you on the captain's list.


RedCloud is a 100% sailing vessel, and 100% power vessel. Or any
mixture of the two. I would say its usually 80%sail power 20% motor. In
other word is 100 times better than most boats.

What have ye to say in your defense, sir?


99.9 % of the time when just daysailing like 99% of this group, I
purely sail as im not on a journey and eager to arrive.

How's the weather in the Keys?

Joe
MSV RedCloud

Not fit for sailing.
Bwahahahhaahahahhahhahahahhahhaha.

John Cairns





Fair winds,
Capt. Josh

--
"You must then know the sea and know that you know it
and not forget that it was meant to be sailed over."

On 11 Apr 2005 06:49:33 -0700, "Joe" wrote
this crap:

Thats because your a Putz and have never motor sailed. Motor Sailers
are the ultimate Blue Water Cruisers. Never be-calmed and always able
to forge ahead at a pace the master set.

Joe
MSV RedCloud



I nominate this for, "stupidest post of the week."






This post is 100% free of steroids

Your awlful chipper!

I guess the news they may allow silicone breast implants again has you
all excited.

Joe

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:18:01 -0700, "JG" wrote
this crap:

Yup... pretty much does.


Go ahead and hit him with your purse, you pussy.





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