Yep. I'm getting ready to get rid of my boat, but not being too bright, I'm
talking to a friend about buying his boat.

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www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
As I get older I'm beginning to appreciate the philosophy that everything
is life is borrowed, rented, and essentially, not really mine. So it might
just be a question of which is less expensive, to rent and leave all the
work to others, or buy and have the short term satisfaction of being the
lord of a tiny domain.
Scout

"JG" wrote in message
...
Renting before buying is absolutely the best way to figure out if you
want to buy a particular model, and it gives you an excellent vehicle to
discover in general what you like or dislike about certain "features."
Gives you some variety too.

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www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
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I know it's futile to seek consensus as to a make of boat. But, I'm
seriously considering renting for a variety of designs before buying. Has
anyone else rented a sailboat. Pros and cons? Good locations around the
Chesapeake? The closest place to my old sailing grounds is in Jersey.
www.southriverboatrentals.com
Scout

"Donal" wrote in message
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"Scout" wrote in message
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I know it's futile to seek consensus as to a make of boat. But, I'm
seriously considering renting for a variety of designs before buying. Has
anyone else rented a sailboat. Pros and cons? Good locations around the
Chesapeake? The closest place to my old sailing grounds is in Jersey.

Renting would be a very expensive way to choose a boat, unless you have
already narrowed your choice down to two or three.

Why would you say that? It seems to me that it's far cheaper to rent a dozen
or two dozen different boats, rather than buy a boat you end up not liking
because of something you'd discover if you had rented it first.

If you have narrowed your choice, then you shouldn't really need to test
sail all of them - because their performance will all be similiar. At
that
point, the important thing will be the layout of the boat - which you can
judge as soon as you step aboard. It's a bit like buying a house - you
have
some basic requirements (no. of bedrooms, garden, parking, etc), but
after
that you know the right house as soon as you walk into it.

Similar is not the same. There is enough difference between manufacturers
that it's worth sailing the boats to find out.


It sounds to me like you don't have enough experience of different boats
to
know what you want. If that is the case, then I think that you should
join
a sailing club where members offer crewing positions to non-boat owning
members. Do such clubs exist where you live?

I crewed on many different boats(24ft Westerly Centaur, First 42, Etap 29
&
34, Moody 34) before I was ready to buy. The crewing experience taught
me
about my sailing preferences. I wanted as much performance as I could get
in a family cruiser. When I came to choose my boat I only had about three
boats to choose from. In the end, I only needed to test sail one boat.

Doesn't this contradict what you said at the top? You tried a bunch of
boats, narrowed the search to a few, then made a choice.

You going to take advantage of your dumb friend?

What boat?

SBV

"JG" wrote in message
...
Yep. I'm getting ready to get rid of my boat, but not being too
bright, I'm
talking to a friend about buying his boat.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
As I get older I'm beginning to appreciate the philosophy that
everything
is life is borrowed, rented, and essentially, not really mine. So
it might
just be a question of which is less expensive, to rent and leave
all the
work to others, or buy and have the short term satisfaction of
being the
lord of a tiny domain.
Scout

"JG" wrote in message
...
Renting before buying is absolutely the best way to figure out if
you
want to buy a particular model, and it gives you an excellent
vehicle to
discover in general what you like or dislike about certain
"features."
Gives you some variety too.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I know it's futile to seek consensus as to a make of boat. But,
I'm
seriously considering renting for a variety of designs before
buying. Has
anyone else rented a sailboat. Pros and cons? Good locations
around the
Chesapeake? The closest place to my old sailing grounds is in
Jersey.
www.southriverboatrentals.com
Scout

JR Gilbreath wrote:
Heck Scout, just take a week vacation and come down to Georgia. I have
a Catalina 27 on Lake Lanier you can use for a week. Can't promise wind
tho.

Can I bring my dog?

Actually Scout you should take him up on this. Lake Lanier is really
nice, lots of small islands to visit. On sunny weekends it is packed
with morons trying to kill each other with motorboats, but on weekdays
or cloudy days it's great.

DSK

Not taking advantage of him... he's probably going to be taking advantage of
me. It's an older Pearson 30 that he set up very nicely for single handing.
He's very, very slowly doing some minor work on it. He really shouldn't be
out by himself any more... getting old, has a bad heart, etc.

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www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
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You going to take advantage of your dumb friend?

What boat?

SBV

"JG" wrote in message
...
Yep. I'm getting ready to get rid of my boat, but not being too
bright, I'm
talking to a friend about buying his boat.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
As I get older I'm beginning to appreciate the philosophy that
everything
is life is borrowed, rented, and essentially, not really mine. So
it might
just be a question of which is less expensive, to rent and leave
all the
work to others, or buy and have the short term satisfaction of
being the
lord of a tiny domain.
Scout

"JG" wrote in message
...
Renting before buying is absolutely the best way to figure out if
you
want to buy a particular model, and it gives you an excellent
vehicle to
discover in general what you like or dislike about certain
"features."
Gives you some variety too.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I know it's futile to seek consensus as to a make of boat. But,
I'm
seriously considering renting for a variety of designs before
buying. Has
anyone else rented a sailboat. Pros and cons? Good locations
around the
Chesapeake? The closest place to my old sailing grounds is in
Jersey.
www.southriverboatrentals.com
Scout

Gee Jon,

I hope no jerk like you is around when I get old!

Maybe sailing and fresh air is what his old heart needs!

And just Who are you to judge when someone should give up sailing? You
suck!



Joe

Joe,

You have anger management problems. Maybe sailing and fresh are is what his
old heart needs, but he is getting too old to do it himself. So, suddenly,
you're his cardiologist? Give me a break. He and his cardiologist have
decided that it's not a good idea, especially after 3 recent heart attacks.

Get a life Joe. You obviously don't have one, since all you're capable of
doing is flapping your gums.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Gee Jon,

I hope no jerk like you is around when I get old!

Maybe sailing and fresh air is what his old heart needs!

And just Who are you to judge when someone should give up sailing? You
suck!



Joe

"JG" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
...
Renting would be a very expensive way to choose a boat, unless you have
already narrowed your choice down to two or three.

Why would you say that? It seems to me that it's far cheaper to rent a
dozen
or two dozen different boats, rather than buy a boat you end up not liking
because of something you'd discover if you had rented it first.

I think that you can get experience of different boats without renting.

If it was a straight choice between buying from the brochure and renting,
then I would agree that renting would make sense. However, there are loads
of people who need crew. They are willing to take people out sailing for no
more than a share of expenses.




If you have narrowed your choice, then you shouldn't really need to test
sail all of them - because their performance will all be similiar. At
that
point, the important thing will be the layout of the boat - which you
can
judge as soon as you step aboard. It's a bit like buying a house - you
have
some basic requirements (no. of bedrooms, garden, parking, etc), but
after
that you know the right house as soon as you walk into it.

Similar is not the same. There is enough difference between manufacturers
that it's worth sailing the boats to find out.

By the time you have narrowed your choice to two or three boats, the
performance will be very similiar. People who like Westerley, will also
look at Moody or Bowman. People who like a First will look at X-Boats and
Dehler. You shouldn't need to try very many boats.


I crewed on many different boats(24ft Westerly Centaur, First 42, Etap
29
&
34, Moody 34) before I was ready to buy. The crewing experience taught
me
about my sailing preferences. I wanted as much performance as I could
get
in a family cruiser. When I came to choose my boat I only had about
three
boats to choose from. In the end, I only needed to test sail one boat.

Doesn't this contradict what you said at the top? You tried a bunch of
boats, narrowed the search to a few, then made a choice.

My opening comment was that *renting* would be an expensive way to choose a
boat. I don't think that I have contradicted myself. I only rented one
boat (a holiday in Greece) before I bought my own boat. All my crewing was
free apart from shared expenses - mooring fees, food and hire of liferafts.
These add up to about $15 a day. You cannot rent a boat for that sort of
money, even if you are sharing.



Regards


Donal
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Absolutely correct. You can get experience on diff boats without renting.
However, we were talking about renting, which is a good way to do it,
especially if it's not feasible to get a ride otherwise.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"JG" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote in message
...
Renting would be a very expensive way to choose a boat, unless you have
already narrowed your choice down to two or three.

Why would you say that? It seems to me that it's far cheaper to rent a
dozen
or two dozen different boats, rather than buy a boat you end up not
liking
because of something you'd discover if you had rented it first.

I think that you can get experience of different boats without renting.

If it was a straight choice between buying from the brochure and renting,
then I would agree that renting would make sense. However, there are
loads
of people who need crew. They are willing to take people out sailing for
no
more than a share of expenses.




If you have narrowed your choice, then you shouldn't really need to
test
sail all of them - because their performance will all be similiar. At
that
point, the important thing will be the layout of the boat - which you
can
judge as soon as you step aboard. It's a bit like buying a house - you
have
some basic requirements (no. of bedrooms, garden, parking, etc), but
after
that you know the right house as soon as you walk into it.

Similar is not the same. There is enough difference between manufacturers
that it's worth sailing the boats to find out.

By the time you have narrowed your choice to two or three boats, the
performance will be very similiar. People who like Westerley, will also
look at Moody or Bowman. People who like a First will look at X-Boats and
Dehler. You shouldn't need to try very many boats.


I crewed on many different boats(24ft Westerly Centaur, First 42, Etap
29
&
34, Moody 34) before I was ready to buy. The crewing experience
taught
me
about my sailing preferences. I wanted as much performance as I could
get
in a family cruiser. When I came to choose my boat I only had about
three
boats to choose from. In the end, I only needed to test sail one boat.

Doesn't this contradict what you said at the top? You tried a bunch of
boats, narrowed the search to a few, then made a choice.

My opening comment was that *renting* would be an expensive way to choose
a
boat. I don't think that I have contradicted myself. I only rented one
boat (a holiday in Greece) before I bought my own boat. All my crewing
was
free apart from shared expenses - mooring fees, food and hire of
liferafts.
These add up to about $15 a day. You cannot rent a boat for that sort of
money, even if you are sharing.



Regards


Donal
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"JG" wrote in message
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Not taking advantage of him... he's probably going to be taking advantage
of
me. It's an older Pearson 30 that he set up very nicely for single
handing.
He's very, very slowly doing some minor work on it. He really shouldn't be
out by himself any more... getting old, has a bad heart, etc.

Why shouldn't he go out on his own any more?

Should "old people" be kept on a leash? Should he be confined to his home
in case he smells of "wee"?


Maybe you think that he is too old to decide if it is safe to sail????

Or perhaps you think that old people should only be allowed to sail after a
younger person has carried out a risk assessment!!!!

Thank God that I don't live in California!



Regards


Donal
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