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Any opinions on this?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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Any opinions on this?

http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/opti...?page=cruising


I reckon that you'd be better off with a cruising chute.


I've never flown my spinaker when sailing solo, and I've only flown it once
when I had the family as crew.

There is a lot of foredeck work involved, and IMHO, a snuffer is useless.

Regards


Donal
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Donal wrote:

I've never flown my spinaker when sailing solo, and I've only flown
it once when I had the family as crew.

There is a lot of foredeck work involved, and IMHO, a snuffer is
useless.

I'm not sure what a snuffer is... On the Sonata I crewed on last year, we
had a sock that led from a hatch in the foredeck, down into the cabin. I
liked that set up - I just had to help the spinnaker down, while the cockpit
crew pulled it into the sock.


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"Wally" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:

I've never flown my spinaker when sailing solo, and I've only flown
it once when I had the family as crew.

There is a lot of foredeck work involved, and IMHO, a snuffer is
useless.

I'm not sure what a snuffer is...

Here is a description of one...

http://www.northsails.co.uk/sails/snuffer/snuffer.htm


On the Sonata I crewed on last year, we
had a sock that led from a hatch in the foredeck, down into the cabin. I
liked that set up - I just had to help the spinnaker down, while the
cockpit
crew pulled it into the sock.

I'm not sure that you are describing the same thing.

In my experience, it is less hassle to let the sheet fly and haul the
spinaker down through the companionway as quick as possible. However, I
only have experience on a 33 foot Beneteau ... It might be a different story
on other boats.

regards


Donal
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We typically brought it through the forward hatch rather than the
companionway. Otherwise, you have a better chance of snagging it on
something.

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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Wally" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:

I've never flown my spinaker when sailing solo, and I've only flown
it once when I had the family as crew.

There is a lot of foredeck work involved, and IMHO, a snuffer is
useless.

I'm not sure what a snuffer is...

Here is a description of one...

http://www.northsails.co.uk/sails/snuffer/snuffer.htm


On the Sonata I crewed on last year, we
had a sock that led from a hatch in the foredeck, down into the cabin. I
liked that set up - I just had to help the spinnaker down, while the
cockpit
crew pulled it into the sock.

I'm not sure that you are describing the same thing.

In my experience, it is less hassle to let the sheet fly and haul the
spinaker down through the companionway as quick as possible. However, I
only have experience on a 33 foot Beneteau ... It might be a different
story
on other boats.

regards


Donal
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Oh. I thought that *was* a cruising chute.


"Donal" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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Any opinions on this?


http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/opti...?page=cruising


I reckon that you'd be better off with a cruising chute.


I've never flown my spinaker when sailing solo, and I've only flown
it once
when I had the family as crew.

There is a lot of foredeck work involved, and IMHO, a snuffer is
useless.

Regards


Donal
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Donal wrote:

I'm not sure what a snuffer is...

Here is a description of one...
http://www.northsails.co.uk/sails/snuffer/snuffer.htm

Aye, that's what I was thinking - a thingy at the top of the mast that gets
pulled down. My first inclination is to be less than keen on it.


On the Sonata I crewed on last year, we
had a sock that led from a hatch in the foredeck, down into the
cabin. I liked that set up - I just had to help the spinnaker down,
while the cockpit crew pulled it into the sock.

I'm not sure that you are describing the same thing.

Nope, quite the opposite, if anything.


In my experience, it is less hassle to let the sheet fly and haul the
spinaker down through the companionway as quick as possible.
However, I only have experience on a 33 foot Beneteau ... It might be
a different story on other boats.

I can't say, since the sock on the Sonata is the only spinnaker stuff I've
done. When it works smoothly, it's very fast and slick. We used it for
racing, where it's rather imperative to get the jenny up and the spinnaker
down in short order (to maintain speed for as long as possible on approach
to a mark, and then be setting the jenny for the next point of sail as we
round the mark). I can't help feeling that the spinnaker filling up the
companionway would get in the way, especially if the race conditions were
such that we had to tack/gybe in the middle of our rounding maneuvre. Having
the spinnaker stowed as an intrinsic part of dropping it means that the
decks are clear right away, so emergency maneuvres are easier to deal with.

I guess this stuff isn't so critical for cruising, but what little cruising
I've done was done on the same boat, so I never really thought about doing
it another way. :-)


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"Scotty" wrote in message
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Any opinions on this?

http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/opti...?page=cruising

SV

I may have my original price sheet for my UK "flasher". At the time(2 years
ago) it was discounted 10% plus they threw in the ATN stasher (very handy)
gratis. IIRC the package for the sail and stasher was $1300, ATN tacker was
purchased seperately for $75. We had a discussion about this somewhere or
other, you could possibly fabricate the "tacker" yourself for very little. I
would inquire if they offer the "sailperks" discount, last thing I purchased
from them was a Mustang auto inflater pfd w/harness, with shipping the price
was $20 cheaper than anyplace else, I received it in 3 days!

John Cairns

Donal,

That is a cruising Chute. Look at the Clew as compared to the Tack and
the narrowing head.

Scot, it isn'tt a bad looking sail. I'm assuming you'd go with the 430
sq ft. That is $770. Not to bad for for that cut sail but I do believe
you can match it shopping around

You know I can save you $77 on the Tacker.

The Snuffer is really nice but I can get you by with a plastic bucket
with the bottom cut out and a package of rubber band for the time being.
That would knock off another $264.

Not a bad price on the sheet package but is you have the spinnaker
halyard we could half that price with plain nylon line. I'm still using
my original nylon after 25 years

If you go to the 1 1/2 oz material you can save another $100+ bucks. I
like the 3/4oz wgt but I do have a drifter so my Chute is pretty much
just down wind. You might want the hvy wgt for light air reaching.

A light air downwind sail is a kick in the ass sail to play with and you
can add on later. Plenty of help here in the group and you know how to
sort it out.

They make you feel like your generating your own wind from scratch. What
a feeling to sail past another boat with sails hanging limp. Nothing
like it.

If you can do it DO IT, but don't push if you're not ready. They are
only a part time sail.

Ole THom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

Donal,

I believe you are talking about a full spinnaker with tack and sheets
and spinnaker pole

We are discussing a different breed here. the tack stays attached and
the clew is tacked, rather like a Jenny. It isn't a tack it is a Gybe
but only the clew comes across. Because it is downwind I run two sheets
to the clew. The working sheet I run around my stern docking Cleat and
back up to the sheet winch. The Lazy sheet I run outside the lee side of
the sail, forward of the forestay and outside of everything. Pulpit,
shrouds, lifelines and back to the other stern docking cleat (Nothing
on them while sailing)

Donal, when I Gybe no one leaves the cockpit, I head downwind but not
enough to gybe the main. Let go the working sheet, letting the spinning
fly forward of the stay, sail slightly windward (Actually to sail inside
the spinnaker, pull the lazy sheet and sail into the shadow of the main
and set the sheet. Then I gybe the main by sailing thru the wind,
filling the spinnaker and continuing the main gybe .

No one one the foredeck. With the Auto Pilot its a one man operation.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

This was on a 30 footer most recently, but previously on a 40.

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"Donal" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message
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We typically brought it through the forward hatch rather than the
companionway.

What size boat were you on?


Regards


Donal
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"JG" wrote in message
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This was on a 30 footer most recently, but previously on a 40.


OK. I've never tried it. All my crew seem happy with the companionway --
and I don't have enough experience to overrule them.


Regards


Donal
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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Donal,

I believe you are talking about a full spinnaker with tack and sheets
and spinnaker pole

Yes, I was. All the photos on the site that Scotty posted a link to show a
spinnaker pole.


We are discussing a different breed here. the tack stays attached and
the clew is tacked, rather like a Jenny. It isn't a tack it is a Gybe
but only the clew comes across. Because it is downwind I run two sheets
to the clew. The working sheet I run around my stern docking Cleat and
back up to the sheet winch. The Lazy sheet I run outside the lee side of
the sail, forward of the forestay and outside of everything. Pulpit,
shrouds, lifelines and back to the other stern docking cleat (Nothing
on them while sailing)

That sounds like a "cruising chute".


Donal, when I Gybe no one leaves the cockpit, I head downwind but not
enough to gybe the main. Let go the working sheet, letting the spinning
fly forward of the stay, sail slightly windward (Actually to sail inside
the spinnaker, pull the lazy sheet and sail into the shadow of the main
and set the sheet. Then I gybe the main by sailing thru the wind,
filling the spinnaker and continuing the main gybe .

No one one the foredeck. With the Auto Pilot its a one man operation.

I think that we have our usual transAtlantic communication problem here(Same
words - different meanings). It looks like we would both offer the same
advice to Scotty.









Regards


Donal
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JG,
If you don't have the spinnaker in a sausage or a turtle the area under
the main hatch gives the crew more room to work, like laying it out and
room to let it run. It easier than working on the V-berth.

Donal
If you get your crew to pack the Spinn In a bag properly; with the three
corner on top and clearly marked, you can hook the tack, halyard and
sheet and hoist it right out of the bag on the fore deck. A Spinn. Bag
usually has a strap on the bottom to clip it in place to let sail hoist
clean and the Bag stays in place,

There is also a thing called a turtle which holds that folded Spinn with
the three corners exposed. You just snap open the top and hoist away,

When you're cruising it really doesn't make that much difference is the
head is without a sail for awhile. You can take your time. When you do,
you will find ita rather easy sail to fly.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

Donal,

The pole is used on an Gennaker as North Sails calls them, from the mast
to the clew, as you would on a pole out a Jenny but really isn't
necessary if you're reaching. It does help the set of the sail as you
head downwind. You can also barbar haul on the pole to flatten the sail




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

I beleive that the America's Cup boats bring the spin through the forward
hatch..

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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JG,
If you don't have the spinnaker in a sausage or a turtle the area under
the main hatch gives the crew more room to work, like laying it out and
room to let it run. It easier than working on the V-berth.

Donal
If you get your crew to pack the Spinn In a bag properly; with the three
corner on top and clearly marked, you can hook the tack, halyard and
sheet and hoist it right out of the bag on the fore deck. A Spinn. Bag
usually has a strap on the bottom to clip it in place to let sail hoist
clean and the Bag stays in place,

There is also a thing called a turtle which holds that folded Spinn with
the three corners exposed. You just snap open the top and hoist away,

When you're cruising it really doesn't make that much difference is the
head is without a sail for awhile. You can take your time. When you do,
you will find ita rather easy sail to fly.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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JG,
If you don't have the spinnaker in a sausage or a turtle the area under
the main hatch gives the crew more room to work, like laying it out and
room to let it run. It easier than working on the V-berth.

Donal
If you get your crew to pack the Spinn In a bag properly; with the three
corner on top and clearly marked, you can hook the tack, halyard and
sheet and hoist it right out of the bag on the fore deck.

That is the way that we do it.

A Spinn. Bag
usually has a strap on the bottom to clip it in place to let sail hoist
clean and the Bag stays in place,

Again, that is the system that we use. The bag has three clips that hook
onto the guardwires(lifelines?).



There is also a thing called a turtle which holds that folded Spinn with
the three corners exposed. You just snap open the top and hoist away,

Our Spinaker bag does leave the three corners exposed, but I'm not sure if
it is a "turtle". I'm going to do a Google search to find out.



When you're cruising it really doesn't make that much difference is the
head is without a sail for awhile. You can take your time. When you do,
you will find ita rather easy sail to fly.

I usually only fly it when I've got experienced crew aboard. I've only
flown it once with the family aboard - and that was in 12 kts. My boat is
quite light, and she becomes very lively when the spinaker is up.


Regards


Donal
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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Donal,

The pole is used on an Gennaker as North Sails calls them, from the mast
to the clew, as you would on a pole out a Jenny but really isn't
necessary if you're reaching. It does help the set of the sail as you
head downwind. You can also barbar haul on the pole to flatten the sail

Ah! I understand. Yet another demonstration of "Two nations seperated by
a common language"!!

I suppose that I should have noticed that the poles were attached to the
sheets!!!



Regards


Donal
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