Yes. That's what you are....

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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GLORY.... Sail....... Homo!

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
Basically, what you're saying is that you're incapable of backing a boat
in a narrow area. Bwahaahaaaaa.... YOU CONTINUE TO LOSE. Perhaps you
should think about shutting up for a while. Maybe you'll learn something.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Yeah.. okay... but I don't see you whining about it being difficult to
"back" your vessel out of your slip if needed do I!!??

If I'm by myself and the wind is against me... I'll rope my boat out and
set the bow to the wind... then just jump in and whip the line off the
bollard or cleat as I put the engine into gear.

When I didn't have an engine... I rowed the damn thing out towing it
with my punt! I clenched the bowline in my teeth!!!..... and it's a 6
ton full keel 30 footer!!!

Of course anyone with a Hunter is retarded anyway! Crap.. you could tow
that thing with a pedal boat! Load crew after you back from the slip???
What's with that!!??

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I prefer to dock stern in so if the wind is favorable I can sail out.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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You back in a power boat you Yankee Doodle Dandy..... you sail in a
sailboat!

Anyone that has a problem backing out of a slip needs to seriously
reassess
their skill-set.... especially if it involves a fin keeler.

To prove my point you only need to read Gaynzy's reply... he prefers
backing
in !!!

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Wrong! you back-woods backwards Canadjun.

You back out a car ....you back in a boat.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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You back in a car... you back out a boat.

CM

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
Parking the boat stern first will make pulling out with more
control in
any condition much easier plus it will sure make boarding
easier.

Wooooooo.... Stalker!

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
Mooron tries it every where and knows what happens... all the buff guys
want some, but he's dedicated to his chickens.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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You wouldn't try that around Gaynzy's marina I bet!

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I don't have a full length finger pier. It's just plain easier for
boarding, loading/unloading. Besides, in the Summer I sleep naked with
the hatch open, so it's more fun being stern in.

Scotty


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Actually ... backing in is much more difficult with a sailboat than
backing
out.

Well it is with a Crab Crusher like mine anyway......

I don't personally like being stern to a dock on the finger pier.
Rubber
neckers and all plus there is no advantage. If you can sail out by
backing
in then okay... but if you motor out after backing in ... what's the
point?
It's 40 feet of distance max! Most likely it's only 20 feet of
reverse. You
can man handle even a 40 footer that distance by yourself. If the
dock
requires motoring out I load everyone and everything prior to
slipping the
dock lines.... then I shove her to the end of the slip.... line
her up...
step aboard... and put it in gear.

Good Grief... it's not rocket science! This isn't the QE2... it's a
30 ft
sailboat... they have dinghies that big.

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Never really thought about it. Shouldn't be any more difficult
than
backing in, should it?

Scotty


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:a0qZd.31203$i6.6074@edtnps90...
Yeah.. okay... but I don't see you whining about it being
difficult
to
"back" your vessel out of your slip if needed do I!!??

If I'm by myself and the wind is against me... I'll rope my boat
out
and set
the bow to the wind... then just jump in and whip the line off
the
bollard
or cleat as I put the engine into gear.

When I didn't have an engine... I rowed the damn thing out towing
it
with my
punt! I clenched the bowline in my teeth!!!..... and it's a 6
ton
full
keel 30 footer!!!

Of course anyone with a Hunter is retarded anyway! Crap.. you
could
tow that
thing with a pedal boat! Load crew after you back from the
slip???
What's
with that!!??

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I prefer to dock stern in so if the wind is favorable I can sail
out.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:hMpZd.31141$i6.4870@edtnps90...
You back in a power boat you Yankee Doodle Dandy..... you
sail
in a
sailboat!

Anyone that has a problem backing out of a slip needs to
seriously
reassess
their skill-set.... especially if it involves a fin keeler.

To prove my point you only need to read Gaynzy's reply... he
prefers
backing
in !!!

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Wrong! you back-woods backwards Canadjun.

You back out a car ....you back in a boat.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:XWoZd.30970$i6.30104@edtnps90...
You back in a car... you back out a boat.

CM

"rgnmstr" wrote in message

oups.com...
Parking the boat stern first will make pulling out with
more
control in
any condition much easier plus it will sure make boarding
easier.

There already have been some good comments to your situation, but one more
thing I would like to add:

Remember that you don't have to KEEP your boat in reverse to travel
backwards. It is not like a car. Once momentum has been achieved, put the
tranny in neutral, thereby minimizing the effect of prop walk (assuming that
prop walk is working against you). I know that is a simple point, but it
may help.

L

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"John Lechmanik" wrote in message
...
Although I'm a little experienced at sailing, I'm still learning a lot of
the little incidental things. Such as pulling out of a dock. We have a
Hunter 310 (a little "beamy" and our slip is narrow) that is moored in the
SF Bay area. We have less than 2 feet of total clearance between the boat
and the dock at the widest point. Our slip is about 1/2 way down the
berths with slips on both sides of the passageway. The passageway is
probably 40 - 50 feet wide. We have an "upwind berth" which faces to the
south (normal summer wind direction).

The Marina is surrounded by homes and the wind is usually blocked pretty
well by the wind from the south by other rows of sailboats. However the
wind from the east, west, and north are not that blocked. To make things
more interesting our exit from the slip is to the east, which means I have
to back out of the slip to the right. The boat pulls to port when in
reverse.

Here is the fun part. During this time of the year, the wind comes from a
variety of directions. When the wind comes from the east (port side of
the boat when in the slip) it's a challenge getting out of the slip. The
first time I backed out under these conditions I was just out of the slip,
and turning the boat to starboard when the wind pushed the bow back
around. No matter what I did, I couldn't get the boat turned into the
wind and was being pushed by the wind down the marina. I finally spotted
an open slip and pulled in. We ran a line off the bow and I backed out
again, but this time had the bow held to the dock. I managed to get the
boat turned into the wind, picked up my partner (2 man crew that day) and
sailed off.

A few days ago, we had the east winds again, but this time with a little
bit of north. After reading up, I tried to run a line off the starboard
stern to pull the stern around as I backed out. This SEEMED to be working
until I tried to pull next to the slip to pick up my partner, and the
north effect of the wind started pushing my starboard into the parked
boats. We managed to finally get some forward momentum and move foward
while fending off the boats. I couldn't pick up my partner and had to
pull around to the downwind side of the berths and pick her up there. The
wind was only about 3 - 4 kts.

I know it's been a long explaination, but now I'm wondering how to pull
out under these conditions and pick up my crew before leaving.

Any suggestions???


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Capt. Mooron wrote:
Actually ... backing in is much more difficult with a sailboat than backing
out.


I dunno, it depends on conditions and on how picky you are. If there's a
heavy cross-wind one time, and calm the next, obviously that's going to
make more difference than whether you're going in or out.


Well it is with a Crab Crusher like mine anyway......

I don't personally like being stern to a dock on the finger pier. Rubber
neckers and all plus there is no advantage.

With a double ender, it's probably not easier to get on or off by the stern.

... If you can sail out by backing
in then okay... but if you motor out after backing in ... what's the point?
It's 40 feet of distance max! Most likely it's only 20 feet of reverse. You
can man handle even a 40 footer that distance by yourself. If the dock
requires motoring out I load everyone and everything prior to slipping the
dock lines.... then I shove her to the end of the slip.... line her up...
step aboard... and put it in gear.


If the boat moves when you push it, it's not a crab crusher. Maybe you
mean a sustained shove? I can move our tugboat by hand, but it takes a
bit of grunt & some patience.

Full keel boats are a bit harder to maneuver.

Good Grief... it's not rocket science! This isn't the QE2... it's a 30 ft
sailboat... they have dinghies that big.


True.

Another good point you mentioned earlier was warping. Not rocket
science, in fact to me it seems quite obvious... although some
precautions are in order. And people get awfully funny about stringing
lines across fairways inside the marina. I thought of training our old
dog to take a spring line in his teeth, swim it out & put a wrap on a
piling, then bring it back when the boat was clear. Don't know if my
wife would have agreed to let her baby do that, though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:
Capt. Mooron wrote:
Actually ... backing in is much more difficult with a sailboat than
backing
out.


I dunno, it depends on conditions and on how picky you are. If
there's a
heavy cross-wind one time, and calm the next, obviously that's going
to
make more difference than whether you're going in or out.


Well it is with a Crab Crusher like mine anyway......

I don't personally like being stern to a dock on the finger pier.
Rubber
neckers and all plus there is no advantage.


Same here. Even with a center cockpit I like to always bow in, Just
easier getting on and off, more privacy and most slips shallow close to
land so sinking in the mud up past the props is something I try to
avoid.




With a double ender, it's probably not easier to get on or off by the
stern.

... If you can sail out by backing
in then okay... but if you motor out after backing in ... what's
the point?
It's 40 feet of distance max! Most likely it's only 20 feet of
reverse. You
can man handle even a 40 footer that distance by yourself. If the
dock
requires motoring out I load everyone and everything prior to
slipping the
dock lines.... then I shove her to the end of the slip.... line
her up...
step aboard... and put it in gear.


If the boat moves when you push it, it's not a crab crusher. Maybe
you
mean a sustained shove? I can move our tugboat by hand, but it takes
a
bit of grunt & some patience.

I have a crab crusher I can push mine out, but why? I have a LH wheel
and back out with ease. Load everything single up. Push 1 ft out put
her in gear and it adious. To pull mine out and line up by hand would
be a nice workout.


Full keel boats are a bit harder to maneuver.

Not mine, I have a barn door size rudder.




Good Grief... it's not rocket science! This isn't the QE2... it's a
30 ft
sailboat... they have dinghies that big.


True.

Another good point you mentioned earlier was warping. Not rocket
science, in fact to me it seems quite obvious... although some
precautions are in order. And people get awfully funny about
stringing
lines across fairways inside the marina. I thought of training our
old
dog to take a spring line in his teeth, swim it out & put a wrap on a

piling, then bring it back when the boat was clear. Don't know if my
wife would have agreed to let her baby do that, though.



Anyone who needs to warp or spring under good weather condition leaving
the average slip just need more practice IMO. Next you will be
suggesting bow thrusters!

Joe

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I thought of training my old wife to take a spring line in her teeth, swim
it out & put a wrap on a piling, then bring it back when the boat was
clear. Don't know if my dog would have agreed to let our meal ticket do
that, though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


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"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. Mooron wrote:
Actually ... backing in is much more difficult with a sailboat than
backing out.


I dunno, it depends on conditions and on how picky you are. If there's a
heavy cross-wind one time, and calm the next, obviously that's going to
make more difference than whether you're going in or out.


Well it is with a Crab Crusher like mine anyway......

I don't personally like being stern to a dock on the finger pier. Rubber
neckers and all plus there is no advantage.

With a double ender, it's probably not easier to get on or off by the
stern.

... If you can sail out by backing in then okay... but if you motor out
after backing in ... what's the point? It's 40 feet of distance max! Most
likely it's only 20 feet of reverse. You can man handle even a 40 footer
that distance by yourself. If the dock requires motoring out I load
everyone and everything prior to slipping the dock lines.... then I shove
her to the end of the slip.... line her up... step aboard... and put
it in gear.


If the boat moves when you push it, it's not a crab crusher. Maybe you
mean a sustained shove? I can move our tugboat by hand, but it takes a bit
of grunt & some patience.

Full keel boats are a bit harder to maneuver.

Good Grief... it's not rocket science! This isn't the QE2... it's a 30 ft
sailboat... they have dinghies that big.


True.

Another good point you mentioned earlier was warping. Not rocket science,
in fact to me it seems quite obvious... although some precautions are in
order. And people get awfully funny about stringing lines across fairways
inside the marina. I thought of training our old dog to take a spring line
in his teeth, swim it out & put a wrap on a piling, then bring it back
when the boat was clear. Don't know if my wife would have agreed to let
her baby do that, though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"JG" wrote ...
Mooron tries it every where and knows what happens... all us gay
guys want
some, but he's dedicated to his chickens.


Oiy!

Knot without setting a few rat traps in the cockpit.

SV

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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You wouldn't try that around Gaynzy's marina I bet!

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I don't have a full length finger pier. It's just plain easier for
boarding, loading/unloading. Besides, in the Summer I sleep naked
with
the hatch open, so it's more fun being stern in.

Scotty


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:amqZd.31284$i6.22143@edtnps90...
Actually ... backing in is much more difficult with a sailboat
than
backing
out.

Well it is with a Crab Crusher like mine anyway......

I don't personally like being stern to a dock on the finger pier.
Rubber
neckers and all plus there is no advantage. If you can sail out
by
backing
in then okay... but if you motor out after backing in ... what's
the
point?
It's 40 feet of distance max! Most likely it's only 20 feet of
reverse. You
can man handle even a 40 footer that distance by yourself. If the
dock
requires motoring out I load everyone and everything prior to
slipping the
dock lines.... then I shove her to the end of the slip....
line
her up...
step aboard... and put it in gear.

Good Grief... it's not rocket science! This isn't the QE2... it's
a
30 ft
sailboat... they have dinghies that big.

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Never really thought about it. Shouldn't be any more difficult
than
backing in, should it?

Scotty


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:a0qZd.31203$i6.6074@edtnps90...
Yeah.. okay... but I don't see you whining about it being
difficult
to
"back" your vessel out of your slip if needed do I!!??

If I'm by myself and the wind is against me... I'll rope my
boat
out
and set
the bow to the wind... then just jump in and whip the line off
the
bollard
or cleat as I put the engine into gear.

When I didn't have an engine... I rowed the damn thing out
towing
it
with my
punt! I clenched the bowline in my teeth!!!..... and it's a
6
ton
full
keel 30 footer!!!

Of course anyone with a Hunter is retarded anyway! Crap.. you
could
tow that
thing with a pedal boat! Load crew after you back from the
slip???
What's
with that!!??

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I prefer to dock stern in so if the wind is favorable I can
sail
out.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:hMpZd.31141$i6.4870@edtnps90...
You back in a power boat you Yankee Doodle Dandy..... you
sail
in a
sailboat!

Anyone that has a problem backing out of a slip needs to
seriously
reassess
their skill-set.... especially if it involves a fin
keeler.

To prove my point you only need to read Gaynzy's reply...
he
prefers
backing
in !!!

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Wrong! you back-woods backwards Canadjun.

You back out a car ....you back in a boat.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in
message
news:XWoZd.30970$i6.30104@edtnps90...
You back in a car... you back out a boat.

CM

"rgnmstr" wrote in message

oups.com...
Parking the boat stern first will make pulling out
with
more
control in
any condition much easier plus it will sure make
boarding
easier.

"DSK" wrote in

With a double endear, it's probably not easier to get on or off by
the stern.


Well yeah, but I thought we were discussing normal boats.

"Joe" wrote
Same here. Even with a center cockpit I like to always bow in, Just
easier getting on and off,


How so?


more privacy and most slips shallow close to
land so sinking in the mud up past the props is something I try to
avoid.


A slip near the end of the dock negates this.



Scotty