Hey Doug, Want a deal on a Star boat?
 

Down there, not far from you.

I wrote the guy. He says -- no soft spots. Not sure
I'd believe that.

This might make a nice project. The trailer alone
is worth the current bid. $820 If I didn't have too
many boats I'd buy it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...4529738983&rd=
1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

Bart Senior wrote:
Down there, not far from you.

I wrote the guy. He says -- no soft spots. Not sure
I'd believe that.


He may not know, soft spots can be hard to find. A boat that's been
sitting up on a trailer out of doors is almost certain to have rainwater
puddles in it, which is the worst possible thing structurally. But if
they say no soft spots, it's probably pretty good.

I'm less hopeful about the rigging... the boat's deck layout is antique
and a Star is a high-stress rig that needs *good* standing rigging... if
the spars are good the boat will still need all new standing & probably
mostly new running rigging... and that's a lot o'$$...

6 sails... that's nice

This might make a nice project. The trailer alone
is worth the current bid. $820 If I didn't have too
many boats I'd buy it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...4529738983&rd=
1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT


The trailer is the biggest real asset. The boat is obviously never going
to be competitive, but it could make a real fun daysailor. Might be
interesting to pick up a boat like this and put a spinnaker on it... or
convert it back to the old Star gaff rig...

At one point I looked into putting a gaff rig on the Lightning, but
didn't pursue it. I did try a big asymmetric with a deck mounted pole.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I spent over $800 on new line for my old Etchells. To tell
you the truth, I prefered replacing it. Mine is color coded.
Green=spinnaker, Blue=Main, Red=Jib.

The standing rigging would not be too hard to replace, and
you might get away with what is there if you don't over stress
it.

For the price it might make a nice project. I've thought about
building a Star. We've talked about that. Having a trailer
and spars would make that a practical project.

"DSK" wrote
Bart Senior wrote:
Down there, not far from you.

I wrote the guy. He says -- no soft spots. Not sure
I'd believe that.

He may not know, soft spots can be hard to find. A boat that's been
sitting up on a trailer out of doors is almost certain to have rainwater
puddles in it, which is the worst possible thing structurally. But if
they say no soft spots, it's probably pretty good.

I'm less hopeful about the rigging... the boat's deck layout is antique
and a Star is a high-stress rig that needs *good* standing rigging... if
the spars are good the boat will still need all new standing & probably
mostly new running rigging... and that's a lot o'$$...

6 sails... that's nice

This might make a nice project. The trailer alone
is worth the current bid. $820 If I didn't have too
many boats I'd buy it.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...4529738983&rd=
1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT


The trailer is the biggest real asset. The boat is obviously never going
to be competitive, but it could make a real fun daysailor. Might be
interesting to pick up a boat like this and put a spinnaker on it... or
convert it back to the old Star gaff rig...

At one point I looked into putting a gaff rig on the Lightning, but
didn't pursue it. I did try a big asymmetric with a deck mounted pole.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote


The trailer is the biggest real asset.


Why? it's steel


The boat is obviously never going
to be competitive, but it could make a real fun daysailor.

With that draft? I guess if one had free use of a hoist.

SV

The trailer is the biggest real asset.



Scott Vernon wrote:
Why? it's steel


You're right. It looks painted. Still not so bad, especially if it's
been launched from a hoist and not dunked.


The boat is obviously never going
to be competitive, but it could make a real fun daysailor.


With that draft? I guess if one had free use of a hoist.


Hoists aren't hard to find. And you could still ramp launch it if you
really wanted to... have to cut a notch in the rear bunk, maybe. Or keep
it in the water.

Last summer I met a little old lady (well OK, a fair bit older than me
but obviously in good shape) who has a Star. She's the head of the math
department in the Midwest and singlehands it for fun on nice days... I
guess what she calls a nice day, she means light wind... but still, I
was impressed.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Bart Senior wrote:
I spent over $800 on new line for my old Etchells. To tell
you the truth, I prefered replacing it. Mine is color coded.
Green=spinnaker, Blue=Main, Red=Jib.

The good stuff costs. I went into a similar figure rerigging our Lightning.


The standing rigging would not be too hard to replace, and
you might get away with what is there if you don't over stress
it.


Probably true, especially if you're not going to race it.

For the price it might make a nice project. I've thought about
building a Star. We've talked about that. Having a trailer
and spars would make that a practical project.


heh heh he define "practical"

Besides, my wife would kill me. She's counting on me to finish
installing the increased battery bank, the windlass, and the bow
thruster on our tugboat...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Bow Thruster.....Is your trawler a single screw?

Joe

And what is wrong with a steel trailor? I guess the trailors you pull
with your truck are all plastic huh?

If the boat was steel It be a great Deal. If it was then people would
not have o ask questions like. Does it have any soft spots.

Bwahahaha the power of steel.

Joe

Steel is ok, versus galvanized which is great.

If the trailer was galvanized, i'd buy it just for the trailer and resell
it.

A galvy trailer can cost $3500 to $4000 or more new. This one
isn't that big. So if it was galvanized I'd guess it would be worth
around $2500.

Being painted steel the value is much less.

As Doug pointed out, it is unlikely it has been dunked. People
usually drop them in with a hoist.

"Joe" wrote
And what is wrong with a steel trailor? I guess the trailors you pull
with your truck are all plastic huh?

If the boat was steel It be a great Deal. If it was then people would
not have o ask questions like. Does it have any soft spots.

Bwahahaha the power of steel.

Joe

"Joe" wrote
And what is wrong with a steel trailor?

besides the rust?


I guess the trailors you pull
with your truck are all plastic huh?

No, T1 steel, and it's rusty.


Sv

Some steel wool and a couple of cans of Rustoleum will put that
right...after all..look what it did for Joe's boat...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote
And what is wrong with a steel trailor?

besides the rust?


I guess the trailors you pull
with your truck are all plastic huh?

No, T1 steel, and it's rusty.


Sv

Joe wrote:
Bow Thruster.....Is your trawler a single screw?


Well, it has a single engine & prop.

That's why I remain unimpressed with all your bragging about maneuvering
boats with multiple props.

DSK

Doug I use to push a 220 foot barge carrying 250,000 gallons of fuel
all over the gulf coast for a company called Grasso.

Did it with a single screw tug the Cherokee Warrior with an 8-71
detroit. Did not have a bow thruster or a steermaster.

IMO a bow thruster is not needed for such a small vessel as yours
unless your just a bad boat handler. You just need much more practice.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Doug I use to push a 220 foot barge carrying 250,000 gallons of fuel
all over the gulf coast for a company called Grasso.


Did you ever do a 360 with that 220' barge in a 225' space?



IMO a bow thruster is not needed for such a small vessel as yours
unless your just a bad boat handler.

Or maneuver in tight spaces with cross winds & current etc etc.

... You just need much more practice.


That much is true. But then, I have practiced plenty and I haven't
banged into anything, either. You can ask the dockmaster at our marina
if he thinks I know how to handle a boat.

We are putting on a bow thruster because we would like to be able to
move the boat into & out of tight places under a wider range of
conditions, and do less warping.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

We are putting on a bow thruster because we would like to be able to move
the boat into & out of tight places under a wider range of conditions, and
do less warping.

Contrary to what some here might claim, there is nothing unmanly or
unseamanlike about a bow thruster. It's simply another tool in the
mariner's tool box for those who wish to make their voyages efficacious and
more hassle-free. One doesn't *need* GPS, a knot meter, a depth sounder, or
even a compass, but they make the job more efficient and enjoyable, and
that's what it's all about, no?

Max

We are putting on a bow thruster because we would like to be able to move
the boat into & out of tight places under a wider range of conditions, and
do less warping.


Maxprop wrote:
Contrary to what some here might claim, there is nothing unmanly or
unseamanlike about a bow thruster.

Thank you, Maxprop.

It's simply another tool in the
mariner's tool box for those who wish to make their voyages efficacious and
more hassle-free. One doesn't *need* GPS, a knot meter, a depth sounder, or
even a compass, but they make the job more efficient and enjoyable, and
that's what it's all about, no?


It's also about expanding the scale & scope of operations. For example,
you *can* run the ICW at night but having a spotlight & radar makes it a
good bit less risky. One can navigate a fogbound rocky coast without GPS
& depthsounder, but it's again more risky. At some point, people with
good sense will say "We could do that, but let's sit tight for now and
not take the chances" if only to keep the stress level down.

We obviously *could* cruise without a bow thruster... we've been doing
so for a bit over two years... but with one, it will be easier to get in
& out of places that we'd be likely to skip.

BTW warping is also very seamanlike... but it requires a bit of patience
and is likely to raise eyebrows among the uninitiated.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Are you going to install it yourself?

Scotty


"DSK" wrote in message
...
We are putting on a bow thruster because we would like to be able
to move
the boat into & out of tight places under a wider range of
conditions, and
do less warping.


Maxprop wrote:
Contrary to what some here might claim, there is nothing unmanly
or
unseamanlike about a bow thruster.

Thank you, Maxprop.

It's simply another tool in the
mariner's tool box for those who wish to make their voyages
efficacious and
more hassle-free. One doesn't *need* GPS, a knot meter, a depth
sounder, or
even a compass, but they make the job more efficient and
enjoyable, and
that's what it's all about, no?


It's also about expanding the scale & scope of operations. For
example,
you *can* run the ICW at night but having a spotlight & radar makes
it a
good bit less risky. One can navigate a fogbound rocky coast without
GPS
& depthsounder, but it's again more risky. At some point, people
with
good sense will say "We could do that, but let's sit tight for now
and
not take the chances" if only to keep the stress level down.

We obviously *could* cruise without a bow thruster... we've been
doing
so for a bit over two years... but with one, it will be easier to
get in
& out of places that we'd be likely to skip.

BTW warping is also very seamanlike... but it requires a bit of
patience
and is likely to raise eyebrows among the uninitiated.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Scott Vernon wrote:
Are you going to install it yourself?


Heck yeah! I got a chainsaw, duct tape, and a pair of vise grips, what
else do I need??

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Scott Vernon wrote:
Are you going to install it yourself?


Heck yeah! I got a chainsaw, duct tape, and a pair of vise grips,
what
else do I need??


Some 5200?

Does the 'tube' come with the thruster?

SV

Heck yeah! I got a chainsaw, duct tape, and a pair of vise grips,
what
else do I need??



Scott Vernon wrote:
Some 5200?


I'm thinking about using Liquid Nails instead.

Does the 'tube' come with the thruster?


Yes, and that's one of the tricky parts... cutting the holes in the bow
so that they match up to the tube. My wife says I enjoy cutting holes in
the boat.

DSK

I've done a 180 with the 220 in a 60 foot wide bayou. Use to bring all
the fuel to Southern Pacific Railroad up Buffalo Bayou close to down
town Houston. So narrow I always had to break down the tow and push it
back out from the other end. Always drew a big crowd on the bridge I
would lay the barge against.

Also had to shoot into a slip 100 foot wide with a 5 kt side current ,
Had to usually start setting of for that trick 1/2 mile ahead of the
slip.

As for doing a 360 in a 225 foot area it is impossiable since the tug
was 60 foot.

A smarter move than a bow thruster would be flanking rudders IMO.

Is your thruster going to be electric?

Some of the 310 ft supply boats I ran had 6-71 detroit bow thrusters.
In a hard side current at the rig they were useful but rattle the damn
boat so much it drives you crazy. After 4-5 hours of that your damn
happy to be offloaded or loaded.
Problem with bow thrusters are the props tend to cavitate.

Joe

Use on very long bit to place a pilot hole.

Joe

Keep Mooron and Scotti Potti away from the hole.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Use on very long bit to place a pilot hole.

Joe

"DSK" wrote in message

Scott Vernon wrote:
Are you going to install it yourself?


Heck yeah! I got a chainsaw, duct tape, and a pair of vise grips, what
else do I need??

You might wanna watch Episode #89 of the Red Green Show for instructions on
this.

Max

A stump grinder...

"DSK" wrote in message
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Scott Vernon wrote:
Are you going to install it yourself?


Heck yeah! I got a chainsaw, duct tape, and a pair of vise grips, what
else do I need??

DSK