Wipeout
 

For those who haven't seen this.

Check out this Gunboat 62 blasting by a RP 80

Click on Safari Video

http://www.gunboat.info/home.html

The cat has a smaller sail plan, sails flatter, and is faster. Of course,
Dennis Connor proved this a few years ago, but what the heck... great vid.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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For those who haven't seen this.

Check out this Gunboat 62 blasting by a RP 80

Click on Safari Video

http://www.gunboat.info/home.html

What wipeout?

I was waiting for the thing to flip over.

Cool music.

Joe

The only thing that video shows is the inability of the cat to point.
The RP80 driver had to bear off about 20 degrees to avoid being t-boned
by the show off cat driver. I suspect that if a destination were
upwind the RP80 might just beat the Gunboat to the pier.

This is true...

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:16:41 -0800, "JG"
scribbled thusly:

The cat has a smaller sail plan, sails flatter, and is faster. Of course,
Dennis Connor proved this a few years ago, but what the heck... great vid.

DCs cat was no floating condo.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Notice how the rude dude in the cat goes to windward of the boat he is
passing. Rude, rude, rude.

L

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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For those who haven't seen this.

Check out this Gunboat 62 blasting by a RP 80

Click on Safari Video

http://www.gunboat.info/home.html

I noticed that to. I guess the cat builders paid the Mono hull to
accept such abuse.

Did you see the sea anchor the Keel Boat was pulling?

Joe

What's wrong with it? It was a race wasn't it?

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"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message
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Notice how the rude dude in the cat goes to windward of the boat he is
passing. Rude, rude, rude.

L

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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For those who haven't seen this.

Check out this Gunboat 62 blasting by a RP 80

Click on Safari Video

http://www.gunboat.info/home.html

The RP can be indeed faster. I read in Latitude 38
the RP-80 beat the GB-62 in another race. I don't
recall the circumstances or point of sail. I'd guess the
RP would be faster directly downwind and as you
said, closehauled, while the GB-62 would perform
better on a reach.

The Gunboat does offer advantages in comfort over
the sleds that make it a clear winner for passagemaking.


"rgnmstr" wrote in message
ups.com...

The only thing that video shows is the inability of the cat to point.
The RP80 driver had to bear off about 20 degrees to avoid being t-boned
by the show off cat driver. I suspect that if a destination were
upwind the RP80 might just beat the Gunboat to the pier.

It was a bit of a set up. No doubt.

Still, the Cat had the advantage of carrying a small
crew. My 83 year old mother could have driven it.

OzOne wrote

http://www.gunboat.info/home.html

Cat is right in its groove, the Pug is neither high enough to
slaughter the cat on VMG, nor low enough to do the same with a chute
up.
I note the caption af "nearly 30kts" I'd be more inclined to think
closer to 25 than 30.

Once again JG exposed his ignorance when he wrote:
What's wrong with it? It was a race wasn't it?

If it really had been a race, then the monohull would have protected her
position by coming up on the approaching cat, forcing the cat to go under
her. And furthermore, by performing such a maunuver, the monohull would
have shown who was boss when it comes to pointing ability.

Lonny


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What's wrong with it? It was a race wasn't it?

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"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message
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Notice how the rude dude in the cat goes to windward of the boat he is
passing. Rude, rude, rude.

L

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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For those who haven't seen this.

Check out this Gunboat 62 blasting by a RP 80

Click on Safari Video

http://www.gunboat.info/home.html

"rgnmstr" wrote...
The only thing that video shows is the inability of the cat to point.

Some cats can point. It looked to me like the Gunboat was not trimmed in
hard either.

The RP80 driver had to bear off about 20 degrees to avoid being t-boned
by the show off cat driver. I suspect that if a destination were
upwind the RP80 might just beat the Gunboat to the pier.


Seems quite possible under many conditions. But the cat still has some
advantages: less heeling, shallow draft, etc etc

Bart Senior wrote:
The RP can be indeed faster. I read in Latitude 38
the RP-80 beat the GB-62 in another race. I don't
recall the circumstances or point of sail. I'd guess the
RP would be faster directly downwind and as you
said, closehauled, while the GB-62 would perform
better on a reach.


Probably so, the ad for the Gunboat touts a screecher over an asymmetric
spinnaker... don't see why you couldn't fly an A-sail anyway.

The Gunboat does offer advantages in comfort over
the sleds that make it a clear winner for passagemaking.


One advatnage of a cat that appeals to me after our recent trip is that
they are usually easier to steer straight in a following sea. But the
jerky motion might be less comfortable than the mono's corkscrew roll.
Every boat has it's plusses & minusses.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I'd like to find out for myself. I'm pursuing some
factyory tranatlantic delivery work on one of these
just to find out if I like them on the ocean.

There are few US built catamarans. The Manta 42
which has a low bridge deck. I wonder if this is the
reason why I see them for sale often. And the
Mainecat 40 which has only canvas for protection
in the deckhouse--not exactly comforting protection.

I think the gunboat 62 is a fine vessel, but at $2.2 million
I would rather built a custom cat out of aluminum.

For an interesting link on a one-off Aluminum cruising
cat with a high bridgedeck, check out this link.

http://malvm1.mala.bc.ca/~bigras/o7/o7.htx

This fellow built an impressive boat, and then sold it just
after he finished the bulk of the work, due to a divorce.

It cost him $70k to build hull and deck. Spars are
homemade. I would have bought a better boom.

Overall an impressive job, but not worth the $10k
he made for his labors--which works out to $3.33/hr
or less.

"DSK" wrote

One advatnage of a cat that appeals to me after our recent trip is that
they are usually easier to steer straight in a following sea. But the
jerky motion might be less comfortable than the mono's corkscrew roll.
Every boat has it's plusses & minusses.

Maybe they didn't know what they were doing... not everyone in a race does.

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"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message
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Once again JG exposed his ignorance when he wrote:
What's wrong with it? It was a race wasn't it?

If it really had been a race, then the monohull would have protected her
position by coming up on the approaching cat, forcing the cat to go under
her. And furthermore, by performing such a maunuver, the monohull would
have shown who was boss when it comes to pointing ability.

Lonny


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"JG" wrote in message
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What's wrong with it? It was a race wasn't it?

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"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message
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Notice how the rude dude in the cat goes to windward of the boat he is
passing. Rude, rude, rude.

L

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
For those who haven't seen this.

Check out this Gunboat 62 blasting by a RP 80

Click on Safari Video

http://www.gunboat.info/home.html

Bart Senior wrote:
I'd like to find out for myself. I'm pursuing some
factyory tranatlantic delivery work on one of these
just to find out if I like them on the ocean.


That would be cool.

There are few US built catamarans.

That's because they take so much labor... maybe not twice as much as a
monohull ;)


... the
Mainecat 40 which has only canvas for protection
in the deckhouse--not exactly comforting protection.

Right, but then it's supposed to be a hotrod for daysailing & weekending.


I think the gunboat 62 is a fine vessel, but at $2.2 million
I would rather built a custom cat out of aluminum.


Shucks, for that kind of money, you could pick a LOT of better options
IMHO.... including spending far less on a boat or two and banking the
rest...

For an interesting link on a one-off Aluminum cruising
cat with a high bridgedeck, check out this link.

http://malvm1.mala.bc.ca/~bigras/o7/o7.htx


That is a pretty cool boat.

This fellow built an impressive boat, and then sold it just
after he finished the bulk of the work, due to a divorce.


Bummer. At least he didn't have to split the boat with her.

It cost him $70k to build hull and deck. Spars are
homemade. I would have bought a better boom.

Overall an impressive job, but not worth the $10k
he made for his labors--which works out to $3.33/hr
or less.


He's lucky. A lot of home boat builders don't even recover material cost
when selling a partially completed boat. Aluminum is outstanding though.
I like the dinghy too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

That's true, but we have Bush as the President....

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:51:59 -0800, "JG"
scribbled thusly:

Maybe they didn't know what they were doing... not everyone in a race
does.

You don't own/steer/or in most cases crew on something like a Pug 80
without a clue!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Some cats can point. It looked to me like the Gunboat was not trimmed in
hard either.


OzOne wrote:
Sure, but any cat that could outsail a Pug80 to windward would be a
very rare beast indeed.

Cogito?

The cat was obviously sailing its fastest point of sail.
It would be interesting to see its polars.


That it would. Do you think one of these is likely to compete in the
Sydney Hobart any day soon?


One advatnage of a cat that appeals to me after our recent trip is that
they are usually easier to steer straight in a following sea. But the
jerky motion might be less comfortable than the mono's corkscrew roll.
Every boat has it's plusses & minusses.

OzOne wrote:
Only trouble with a cat is that they tend to dig in the leeward bow
when you're driving down a wave at an angle.
They then want to start heading up and you ned to catch this before it
starts or you'll end up reaching across the face which will make your
hair stand on end if it's a really big wave or has a curling crest.


On a Hobie, getting wet isn't a big deal. On a 62 footer, it would be a
very big deal! ;)

I'd think the Gunboat 62 has enough reserve bouyancy in the bow to avoid
digging in too hard.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:30:32 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

That's true, but we have Bush as the President....


And the greatest President in History.


Have you whacko liberals seen the news from Lebanon?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Can you name the principal differences in handling
a cat vs a monohull Oz?


OzOne wrote
"Bart Senior" wrote

I'd like to find out for myself. I'm pursuing some
factory tranatlantic delivery work on one of these
just to find out if I like them on the ocean.

You'll need to do more than acouple of deliveries as a crew before
anyone will let you take their multi across the Atlantic.
The techniques are 'that' different!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

The GB-62 doesn't have the flare out that typical
cruising cats have with huge amount of reserve
buoyancy. Being lighter, it is probably not a factor
compared with heavier cruising cats.

I find it strange so many of the more typical
cruising cats have minimal bridge deck
clearance. That Manta 42 is horrible in this
respect--only 24" of clearance. What are
they thinking?

These must boom constantly on the ocean.
The designers are brain-dead morons.

"DSK" wrote

I'd think the Gunboat 62 has enough reserve bouyancy in the bow to avoid
digging in too hard.

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:23:48 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:42:42 -0500, Horvath
scribbled thusly:

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:30:32 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

That's true, but we have Bush as the President....


And the greatest President in History.


Have you whacko liberals seen the news from Lebanon?


Yeah, great isn't it, the people woke up and kicked out a really bad
Govt......you could learn from that!


We already have the greatest government in the history of the world.

Maybe you whacko liberals will wake up.


I already know your answer. ("Halliburton" "Halliburton")





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...

Overall an impressive job, but not worth the $10k
he made for his labors--which works out to $3.33/hr
or less.


Bart, how much per hour do you make when working on your boat?

Scotty

What else? There is lots more to it.

I know on smaller cats you dump the jib if
it tries to submarine. Is that true for big cat?

Unlike mono's where heading up often gets you
out of trouble, I understand on that Cat, bearing
away is the better choice.

OzOne wrote
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:14:24 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

Can you name the principal differences in handling
a cat vs a monohull Oz?



Yep, cat's carve an arc much larger than a mono when they turn and in
doing so transfer weight to the outside hull.
Cats push the leeward bow down with sailing forces so you need to keep
this always in mind when you make any man ever which will increase
thos forces.
Theres lost of other stuff about where they carry the point around
which they pitch ( well aft ) which becomes relevant at higher speeds
in a sea.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

This poor guy did tons of work and never got a chance
to sail his dreamboat--a tragedy. 3000 hours of work!

For myself, I won't make anything while working/repairing
it. The payback comes later, but it is not likely to be a huge
money maker--ever.

I want to make $600/day or $100 a head/day and $300 for
a half day, or $50/head/half-day. If I hire a Captain to run
it for me I'd make less than if I run it myself.

In reality, I'll be happy breaking even on my expenses
over the course of a year and having use of the boat.

Everything I make will be going back into the boat for
a while.

"Scott Vernon" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote

Overall an impressive job, but not worth the $10k
he made for his labors--which works out to $3.33/hr
or less.


Bart, how much per hour do you make when working on your boat?

Scotty

I would think that bearing off would make things worse. Speed would
increase. I think dumping sails is the better move.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
What else? There is lots more to it.

I know on smaller cats you dump the jib if
it tries to submarine. Is that true for big cat?

Unlike mono's where heading up often gets you
out of trouble, I understand on that Cat, bearing
away is the better choice.

OzOne wrote
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:14:24 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

Can you name the principal differences in handling
a cat vs a monohull Oz?



Yep, cat's carve an arc much larger than a mono when they turn and in
doing so transfer weight to the outside hull.
Cats push the leeward bow down with sailing forces so you need to keep
this always in mind when you make any man ever which will increase
thos forces.
Theres lost of other stuff about where they carry the point around
which they pitch ( well aft ) which becomes relevant at higher speeds
in a sea.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

But the speed does increase if you bear off. It still seems like the best
move is to ease the sheets. You might level the boat, but that might not
help if a bow is buried.

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:04:02 -0800, "JG"
scribbled thusly:

I would think that bearing off would make things worse. Speed would
increase. I think dumping sails is the better move.

Nope, heading up will throw more weight on that outside hull and push
the bow further down.
Bearing away levels the boat up.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Ahhhh... I new I missed something! Ok.. you're right then.

I sail a Seawind 1000 a fair amount... right on about the traveller.

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:32:14 -0800, "JG"
scribbled thusly:

But the speed does increase if you bear off. It still seems like the best
move is to ease the sheets. You might level the boat, but that might not
help if a bow is buried.

I'm talking downwind here Jon, because that's where they tend to take
a dive.
Uphill, if you notice the bow starting to porpoise, you are pretty
much overpowered and need to feather up a little, ease the traveller,
and look at taking a slab out real soon.

If you are anywhere off the breeze and try to head up, apparent goes
nuts and you'll be going way to fast real quickly and making even more
breeze across the deck.

BTW the traveller guy is probably the most important guy on the boat
when you're pushing hard, he will be actually steering the boat a lot
of the time and can dump power real fast if needed.
A word of caution, always wear gloves when trimming the traveller,
I've seen a rope burn down to the bone! and actually wear 2 pairs of
gloves in the fresh when I'm on it.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Thanks for the input Oz. 10 pts.

I find very little written about sailing Multihulls, and hear lots
of BS.

What else can you tell us?

In sailing, speed is an addiction. A multihull is in my future.

OzOne wrote
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:15:33 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

What else? There is lots more to it.
Bart, there's tons, but I'd really need to think about it because I
just do stuff without thinking about it.

I know on smaller cats you dump the jib if
it tries to submarine. Is that true for big cat?

Yep, but by then it's a bit late. Better to see it coming and ease
earlier or shorten sail.

Racing is really different to what you do cruising, or even getting
caught in some big scary stuff so the techniques are quite different.
Racing, you always have a hand on the sheets and more importantly
traveller ( they are monsters and often go the whole way across the
boat) pushing really hard, the boats are steered with the traveller
because it's quick to dump and faster to get back on than a mainsheet.

With a cruiser, like any mono, you shorten sail very early and don't
overstress the boat.
it's very easy to do because you appear to just get more speed and no
more heel, unlike a mono which will start to stagger if it's
overcanvassed.

One thing you never ever do is sail a fast multi without gloves, you
can easily get a rope burn right down to the bone. I wear 2 pairs of
gloves when it's fresh and I'm on the traveller!

Unlike mono's where heading up often gets you
out of trouble, I understand on that Cat, bearing
away is the better choice.

Yep, flattens out the boat...just like getting a bullet flying the
kite on a mono.
It really depends on what the conditions are like at that instant.
You wouldn't want to pull away and plow into the back of a wave at an
angle, but it's quite safe to run along the face of a wave then slide
up and over the back, along it, along the trough and then along the
face of the next wave where in a mono you'd probably quarter the sea.



Get a ride on a small lightweight multi, preferrably a tri, and you
will probably fall desperately in love.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

BS wrote: In sailing, speed is an addiction. A multihull is in my
future.


Speed can also mean safety.

You should always try to leave on a journey right after a low passes, giving
you fair weather for (presumably) a few days. If you are fast you can
lengthen the time the 'good' weather sticks around. Or you can outrun the
'bad' weather with enough speed.

I put the words 'good' and 'bad' in quotes, because sometimes racers want
low pressures, as there is more wind. So the above comments refer to crusing
weather mainly.

Lonny

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the input Oz. 10 pts.

I find very little written about sailing Multihulls, and hear lots
of BS.

What else can you tell us?

In sailing, speed is an addiction. A multihull is in my future.

OzOne wrote
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:15:33 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

What else? There is lots more to it.
Bart, there's tons, but I'd really need to think about it because I
just do stuff without thinking about it.

I know on smaller cats you dump the jib if
it tries to submarine. Is that true for big cat?

Yep, but by then it's a bit late. Better to see it coming and ease
earlier or shorten sail.

Racing is really different to what you do cruising, or even getting
caught in some big scary stuff so the techniques are quite different.
Racing, you always have a hand on the sheets and more importantly
traveller ( they are monsters and often go the whole way across the
boat) pushing really hard, the boats are steered with the traveller
because it's quick to dump and faster to get back on than a mainsheet.

With a cruiser, like any mono, you shorten sail very early and don't
overstress the boat.
it's very easy to do because you appear to just get more speed and no
more heel, unlike a mono which will start to stagger if it's
overcanvassed.

One thing you never ever do is sail a fast multi without gloves, you
can easily get a rope burn right down to the bone. I wear 2 pairs of
gloves when it's fresh and I'm on the traveller!

Unlike mono's where heading up often gets you
out of trouble, I understand on that Cat, bearing
away is the better choice.

Yep, flattens out the boat...just like getting a bullet flying the
kite on a mono.
It really depends on what the conditions are like at that instant.
You wouldn't want to pull away and plow into the back of a wave at an
angle, but it's quite safe to run along the face of a wave then slide
up and over the back, along it, along the trough and then along the
face of the next wave where in a mono you'd probably quarter the sea.



Get a ride on a small lightweight multi, preferrably a tri, and you
will probably fall desperately in love.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I know it's probably a matter of expense, but it seems like the traveller
should be curved not straight across. Have you seen this sort of set up?
Does that make any sense? I like the boat a lot. Fast!

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:04:27 -0800, "JG"
scribbled thusly:

Ahhhh... I new I missed something! Ok.. you're right then.

I sail a Seawind 1000 a fair amount... right on about the traveller.

Friend of mine has a Seawind 1000.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

What are the advantages to having a straight traveller? I thought I saw a
curved one somewhere on some racing machine.

I didn't think it went to weather that well, but it wasn't terrible.
Certainly didn't point as well as a typical mono, and didn't point as well
as the Athena I was on in the BVIs. It seems like they're really well built.
I thought it's decently fast... last time I had it out, we were doing 14kts
in about 22kts, and not straining at all.

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:57:22 -0800, "JG"
scribbled thusly:

I know it's probably a matter of expense, but it seems like the traveller
should be curved not straight across. Have you seen this sort of set up?
Does that make any sense? I like the boat a lot. Fast!

There are advantages with a straight traveller, and making a curved
one would mean having a bathtub cockpit like a Hunter...puke!

Fast compared to a mono, but no rocketship.
Not particularly weatherly.
He has an interesting technique when doing short trips of under a day
when the wind it on the nose. Starts the leeeward OB and lets it idle
in gear, it balances the boat really well and adds a couple of
kts...weird!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Gaynz, you are about a dumb as a box of rocks. The difference between a straight and
curved traveler is a straight traveler is straight while a curved traveler is curved.

No, seriously, a straight traveler is not as efficient as a curved traveler. A curved traveler
can be adjusted without affecting the mainsheet trim while a straight traveler, when adjusted,
affects the mainsheet pull to a greater extent the farther from the center is it set because
the distance relationship varies between the sheet and boom.

I hope this helps.

CN


"JG" wrote in message ...
What are the advantages to having a straight traveller? I thought I saw a
curved one somewhere on some racing machine.

I didn't think it went to weather that well, but it wasn't terrible.
Certainly didn't point as well as a typical mono, and didn't point as well
as the Athena I was on in the BVIs. It seems like they're really well built.
I thought it's decently fast... last time I had it out, we were doing 14kts
in about 22kts, and not straining at all.

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:57:22 -0800, "JG"
scribbled thusly:

I know it's probably a matter of expense, but it seems like the traveller
should be curved not straight across. Have you seen this sort of set up?
Does that make any sense? I like the boat a lot. Fast!

There are advantages with a straight traveller, and making a curved
one would mean having a bathtub cockpit like a Hunter...puke!

Fast compared to a mono, but no rocketship.
Not particularly weatherly.
He has an interesting technique when doing short trips of under a day
when the wind it on the nose. Starts the leeeward OB and lets it idle
in gear, it balances the boat really well and adds a couple of
kts...weird!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

On the other hand, with a faster boat the skipper tends to cut closer the margin
of error in bad weather situations. This can often lead to difficult situations
if the gale arrives a little sooner than expected.

In my opinion, a slower boat is a safer boat every time, provided the slower
boat is a seaworthy boat with a safe righting moment. This usually discounts
any multi and favors heavy-displacement, deep keel vessels which, even if
they turn 360 degrees, will come back upright on their own. The fact is there
is NO, NONE, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, multihull capable of this self-righting
which is built into any real voyaging monohull.

Multi-hulls are inherently more dangerous than a voyaging monohull.

I hope this helps.

CN


"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message news:MjKVd.74173$uc.62165@trnddc04...
BS wrote: In sailing, speed is an addiction. A multihull is in my
future.


Speed can also mean safety.

You should always try to leave on a journey right after a low passes, giving
you fair weather for (presumably) a few days. If you are fast you can
lengthen the time the 'good' weather sticks around. Or you can outrun the
'bad' weather with enough speed.

I put the words 'good' and 'bad' in quotes, because sometimes racers want
low pressures, as there is more wind. So the above comments refer to crusing
weather mainly.

Lonny

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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Thanks for the input Oz. 10 pts.

I find very little written about sailing Multihulls, and hear lots
of BS.

What else can you tell us?

In sailing, speed is an addiction. A multihull is in my future.

OzOne wrote
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:15:33 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

What else? There is lots more to it.
Bart, there's tons, but I'd really need to think about it because I
just do stuff without thinking about it.

I know on smaller cats you dump the jib if
it tries to submarine. Is that true for big cat?

Yep, but by then it's a bit late. Better to see it coming and ease
earlier or shorten sail.

Racing is really different to what you do cruising, or even getting
caught in some big scary stuff so the techniques are quite different.
Racing, you always have a hand on the sheets and more importantly
traveller ( they are monsters and often go the whole way across the
boat) pushing really hard, the boats are steered with the traveller
because it's quick to dump and faster to get back on than a mainsheet.

With a cruiser, like any mono, you shorten sail very early and don't
overstress the boat.
it's very easy to do because you appear to just get more speed and no
more heel, unlike a mono which will start to stagger if it's
overcanvassed.

One thing you never ever do is sail a fast multi without gloves, you
can easily get a rope burn right down to the bone. I wear 2 pairs of
gloves when it's fresh and I'm on the traveller!

Unlike mono's where heading up often gets you
out of trouble, I understand on that Cat, bearing
away is the better choice.

Yep, flattens out the boat...just like getting a bullet flying the
kite on a mono.
It really depends on what the conditions are like at that instant.
You wouldn't want to pull away and plow into the back of a wave at an
angle, but it's quite safe to run along the face of a wave then slide
up and over the back, along it, along the trough and then along the
face of the next wave where in a mono you'd probably quarter the sea.



Get a ride on a small lightweight multi, preferrably a tri, and you
will probably fall desperately in love.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.