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Scout February 26th 05 07:36 AM

"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!


So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?


Spark Notes (similar to Cliff's):

Summary - Act II, scene viii
Le Bret argues that Cyrano is ruining his chances of becoming a successful
man or a famous poet. Cyrano says he will live according to his ideals and
that he has no interest in making friends with unworthy men. Suddenly,
Christian enters.


Your interpretation is a bit different. Where does the difference come
from?


Just an observation. Have you noticed how people automatically condemn
things that challenge them rather than risking failure by accepting the
challenge? Students do this routinely, claiming things they haven't mastered
(read as: fear they cannot master), are stupid or unworthy. Cyrano and
Captain Neal both exhibit this behavior. In the case of the latter, CN
condemns me as unworthy because I have challenged his political point of
view. He doesn't appreciate my opinion regarding our president's education
reform initiatives, so he attacks everything from my writing style to my
manhood. Whether either is lacking is irrelevant to the point of discussion.
That, and only that, is my point in challenging CN.
I've shared some of what I've experienced in America's public schools. Let
CN bring what he knows to the table. That is where this branch of the
discussion broke away.
Kurt Vonnegut said once that he wished to tell a story without using any
profanity. He said he had an important message to give, and he knew that
many people would not want to hear the message. He said he also knew that if
he used vulgarity of any sort, he would be giving those people the
justification they needed to turn away from what was important. I haven't
used any profanity either ~ so those who don't want to hear my testimony
will have to find or fabricate some other reason to turn a deaf ear. I
suppose a poorly focused paragraph works for CN.
Scout



Scout February 26th 05 07:39 AM

me too.
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
No way.....and I know that for sure...

"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?


Spark Notes (similar to Cliff's):

Summary - Act II, scene viii
Le Bret argues that Cyrano is ruining his chances of becoming a
successful
man or a famous poet. Cyrano says he will live according to his ideals
and
that he has no interest in making friends with unworthy men. Suddenly,
Christian enters.


Your interpretation is a bit different. Where does the difference come
from?



He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering
bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.


But the goos Capt is not a failure. Maybe an antihero as used in 20th
century literature.


He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or

do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster

here
who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose
his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?


So who do you suspect is that person? Perhaps the Navigator?



Scout









JG February 26th 05 07:46 AM

Bwahahahaaa... you've just noticed this? Neal does this with anyone who
disagrees with him on anything.

Get with it Scout.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?


Spark Notes (similar to Cliff's):

Summary - Act II, scene viii
Le Bret argues that Cyrano is ruining his chances of becoming a
successful
man or a famous poet. Cyrano says he will live according to his ideals
and
that he has no interest in making friends with unworthy men. Suddenly,
Christian enters.


Your interpretation is a bit different. Where does the difference come
from?


Just an observation. Have you noticed how people automatically condemn
things that challenge them rather than risking failure by accepting the
challenge? Students do this routinely, claiming things they haven't
mastered (read as: fear they cannot master), are stupid or unworthy.
Cyrano and Captain Neal both exhibit this behavior. In the case of the
latter, CN condemns me as unworthy because I have challenged his political
point of view. He doesn't appreciate my opinion regarding our president's
education reform initiatives, so he attacks everything from my writing
style to my manhood. Whether either is lacking is irrelevant to the point
of discussion. That, and only that, is my point in challenging CN.
I've shared some of what I've experienced in America's public schools. Let
CN bring what he knows to the table. That is where this branch of the
discussion broke away.
Kurt Vonnegut said once that he wished to tell a story without using any
profanity. He said he had an important message to give, and he knew that
many people would not want to hear the message. He said he also knew that
if he used vulgarity of any sort, he would be giving those people the
justification they needed to turn away from what was important. I haven't
used any profanity either ~ so those who don't want to hear my testimony
will have to find or fabricate some other reason to turn a deaf ear. I
suppose a poorly focused paragraph works for CN.
Scout




Scout February 26th 05 07:59 AM

Not as often as I'd like.
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Turned any screws lately?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Which reminds me: Arthur Miller passed away last week and deserves a
mention.
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Oh goody....can I do the torture part????

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
--
Salem Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera









Scout February 26th 05 08:02 AM

Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their good
names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Flying Tadpole" wrote
Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"


This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole


I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout






Flying Tadpole February 26th 05 08:02 AM

Too bad they'll be on the bottom of the harbour...

Scout wrote:
Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their good
names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...

Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...

"Flying Tadpole" wrote

Scout wrote:

you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout






--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

Scout February 26th 05 08:04 AM

Scout = Captain Neal??

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Scout,
You are the only poster here who is known to be civil or who has earned
respect by most posters on the ng. See where this is going?


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!


So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.


How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.


Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?


Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout






Scout February 26th 05 08:10 AM

Taddy,
I'm sure Katy doesn't want to burn, but you know how difficult it is for the
Irish to tan.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
You _want_to be burnt????

katysails wrote:
Oh goody....can I do the torture part????

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Scout wrote:

you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure, and
worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot wind.
He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
--
Salem Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera





--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm




Scout February 26th 05 08:11 AM

Yes, a shame, that is.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
Too bad they'll be on the bottom of the harbour...

Scout wrote:
Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their
good names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...

Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...

"Flying Tadpole" wrote

Scout wrote:

you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout






--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm




Scout February 26th 05 08:39 AM

"Gilligan" wrote
[snip]
But the goos Capt is not a failure. Maybe an antihero as used in 20th
century literature.


agreed.
Scout



Scout February 26th 05 08:39 AM

I'm just mentioning Jon, not just noticing!
Scout

"JG" wrote in message
...
Bwahahahaaa... you've just noticed this? Neal does this with anyone who
disagrees with him on anything.

Get with it Scout.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

Spark Notes (similar to Cliff's):

Summary - Act II, scene viii
Le Bret argues that Cyrano is ruining his chances of becoming a
successful
man or a famous poet. Cyrano says he will live according to his ideals
and
that he has no interest in making friends with unworthy men. Suddenly,
Christian enters.


Your interpretation is a bit different. Where does the difference come
from?


Just an observation. Have you noticed how people automatically condemn
things that challenge them rather than risking failure by accepting the
challenge? Students do this routinely, claiming things they haven't
mastered (read as: fear they cannot master), are stupid or unworthy.
Cyrano and Captain Neal both exhibit this behavior. In the case of the
latter, CN condemns me as unworthy because I have challenged his
political point of view. He doesn't appreciate my opinion regarding our
president's education reform initiatives, so he attacks everything from
my writing style to my manhood. Whether either is lacking is irrelevant
to the point of discussion. That, and only that, is my point in
challenging CN.
I've shared some of what I've experienced in America's public schools.
Let CN bring what he knows to the table. That is where this branch of the
discussion broke away.
Kurt Vonnegut said once that he wished to tell a story without using any
profanity. He said he had an important message to give, and he knew that
many people would not want to hear the message. He said he also knew that
if he used vulgarity of any sort, he would be giving those people the
justification they needed to turn away from what was important. I haven't
used any profanity either ~ so those who don't want to hear my testimony
will have to find or fabricate some other reason to turn a deaf ear. I
suppose a poorly focused paragraph works for CN.
Scout






Flying Tadpole February 26th 05 08:55 AM

Ah well. The meek inherit the earth: the rest float to the top...

Scout wrote:
Yes, a shame, that is.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...

Too bad they'll be on the bottom of the harbour...

Scout wrote:

Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their
good names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...


Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...


"Flying Tadpole" wrote


Scout wrote:


you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout




--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm





--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

Flying Tadpole February 26th 05 09:02 AM

Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects
on the mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of
this, there is much those of us far from the madding crowd can
indeed accept from you. But please, for your own health and
sanity, not to mention those young minds for whom you are
responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt Neal
just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote

Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!



So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?


He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!


You can do better than that.



How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.


He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose


monogram

is a paper thin mask of civility.



Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?



Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster here
who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to expose
his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout



--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

Scout February 26th 05 09:18 AM

ironic eh? what with the floating scum and all.


"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
Ah well. The meek inherit the earth: the rest float to the top...

Scout wrote:
Yes, a shame, that is.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...

Too bad they'll be on the bottom of the harbour...

Scout wrote:

Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their
good names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...


Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...


"Flying Tadpole" wrote


Scout wrote:


you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout




--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm





--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm




Scout February 26th 05 09:25 AM

So once I've moved out to the country, with its radon and emf radiation and
coliform, my mind will unfog and I'll awaken from this horrid dream?


"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects on the
mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of this, there is much
those of us far from the madding crowd can indeed accept from you. But
please, for your own health and sanity, not to mention those young minds
for whom you are responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt
Neal just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote

Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!



So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?


He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

You can do better than that.



How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.


He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose

monogram

is a paper thin mask of civility.



Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?



Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout


--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm




Flying Tadpole February 26th 05 10:46 AM

Well, perhaps the outlook isn't wholly optimistic: it depends on
the level of physiological and psychological damage you've
suffered. But never mind! Just remember that humans evolved in a
high-radiation environment! It made us what we are! And you'll
feel much better if you keep firmly in mind that planets are the
unsafest places to live in space! (your problems are nothing the
next asteroid impact can't cure).

Flying Tadpole (poring over all the circular structures
discernible in the South Oz outback, each with their scatter of
pretty stones, and checking real estate around Mt Gambier, which
blew up a few years prior to Pompei. Ah the joys of country life).

Scout wrote:
So once I've moved out to the country, with its radon and emf radiation and
coliform, my mind will unfog and I'll awaken from this horrid dream?


"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...

Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects on the
mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of this, there is much
those of us far from the madding crowd can indeed accept from you. But
please, for your own health and sanity, not to mention those young minds
for whom you are responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt
Neal just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:

"Gilligan" wrote


Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!


So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?



He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

You can do better than that.


How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.



He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose

monogram


is a paper thin mask of civility.


Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?


Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout


--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm





Scout February 26th 05 11:32 AM

Great! for a second there I thought I was in trouble.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
Well, perhaps the outlook isn't wholly optimistic: it depends on the level
of physiological and psychological damage you've suffered. But never
mind! Just remember that humans evolved in a high-radiation environment!
It made us what we are! And you'll feel much better if you keep firmly in
mind that planets are the unsafest places to live in space! (your problems
are nothing the next asteroid impact can't cure).

Flying Tadpole (poring over all the circular structures discernible in the
South Oz outback, each with their scatter of pretty stones, and checking
real estate around Mt Gambier, which blew up a few years prior to Pompei.
Ah the joys of country life).

Scout wrote:
So once I've moved out to the country, with its radon and emf radiation
and coliform, my mind will unfog and I'll awaken from this horrid dream?


"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...

Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects on the
mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of this, there is much
those of us far from the madding crowd can indeed accept from you. But
please, for your own health and sanity, not to mention those young minds
for whom you are responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt
Neal just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:

"Gilligan" wrote


Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!


So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?



He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

You can do better than that.


How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering
bully. He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him
as a tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.



He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose

monogram


is a paper thin mask of civility.


Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?


Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout

--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm





DSK February 26th 05 01:17 PM

But aren't you mixing your metaphorical characters a bit too freely? I
mean, Cyrano ne'er tilted any windbagmills no matter slow or fine they
grind.



Gilligan wrote:
DE GUICHE (who has controlled himself--smiling):
Have you read 'Don Quixote'?

CYRANO:
I have!
And doff my hat at th' mad knight-errant's name.

DE GUICHE:
I counsel you to study. . .

A PORTER (appearing at back):
My lord's chair!

DE GUICHE:
. . .The windmill chapter!

CYRANO (bowing):
Chapter the Thirteenth.

DE GUICHE:
For when one tilts 'gainst windmills--it may chance. . .

CYRANO:
Tilt I 'gainst those who change with every breeze?

DE GUICHE:
. . .That windmill sails may sweep you with their arm
Down--in the mire!. . .

CYRANO:
Or upward--to the stars!


I remembered that part... one of my favorite pieces of literature... BTW
aren't you afraid of invoking the Crapton's ire, quoting something
that's not only "Theatah" but so blatantly French?

Observe the above dialogue. Cyrano was not tilting at windmills, nor was
he planning to. He was pointing oout De Guiche's error in assuming that
Don Quixote's madness would inevitably lead to failure & humiliation...
a veiled threat against Cyrano.

DSK


Gilligan February 26th 05 03:31 PM

The windmills are acknowledged in the death scene as Cyrano sums up his
life:

CYRANO:
Why, I well believe
He dares to mock my nose? Ho! insolent!
(He raises his sword):
What say you? It is useless? Ay, I know
But who fights ever hoping for success?
------------------------Right here and the next line
I fought for lost cause, and for fruitless quest!
You there, who are you!--You are thousands!
Ah!
I know you now, old enemies of mine!
Falsehood!
(He strikes in air with his sword):
Have at you! Ha! and Compromise!
Prejudice, Treachery!. . .
(He strikes):
Surrender, I?
Parley? No, never! You too, Folly,--you?
I know that you will lay me low at last;
Let be! Yet I fall fighting, fighting still!
(He makes passes in the air, and stops, breathless):
You strip from me the laurel and the rose!
Take all! Despite you there is yet one thing
I hold against you all, and when, to-night,
I enter Christ's fair courts, and, lowly bowed,
Sweep with doffed casque the heavens' threshold blue,
One thing is left, that, void of stain or smutch,
I bear away despite you.

(He springs forward, his sword raised; it falls from his hand; he staggers,
falls back into the arms of Le Bret and Ragueneau.)

ROXANE (bending and kissing his forehead):
'Tis?. . .

CYRANO (opening his eyes, recognizing her, and smiling):
MY PANACHE.


Curtain.


"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
But aren't you mixing your metaphorical characters a bit too freely? I
mean, Cyrano ne'er tilted any windbagmills no matter slow or fine they
grind.



Gilligan wrote:
DE GUICHE (who has controlled himself--smiling):
Have you read 'Don Quixote'?

CYRANO:
I have!
And doff my hat at th' mad knight-errant's name.

DE GUICHE:
I counsel you to study. . .

A PORTER (appearing at back):
My lord's chair!

DE GUICHE:
. . .The windmill chapter!

CYRANO (bowing):
Chapter the Thirteenth.

DE GUICHE:
For when one tilts 'gainst windmills--it may chance. . .

CYRANO:
Tilt I 'gainst those who change with every breeze?

DE GUICHE:
. . .That windmill sails may sweep you with their arm
Down--in the mire!. . .

CYRANO:
Or upward--to the stars!


I remembered that part... one of my favorite pieces of literature... BTW
aren't you afraid of invoking the Crapton's ire, quoting something
that's not only "Theatah" but so blatantly French?

Observe the above dialogue. Cyrano was not tilting at windmills, nor was
he planning to. He was pointing oout De Guiche's error in assuming that
Don Quixote's madness would inevitably lead to failure & humiliation...
a veiled threat against Cyrano.

DSK




katysails February 26th 05 05:07 PM

What a crucible we've become...and who will sit in judgment?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their good
names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Flying Tadpole" wrote
Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout








katysails February 26th 05 05:08 PM

Do you really want that?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scout = Captain Neal??

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Scout,
You are the only poster here who is known to be civil or who has earned
respect by most posters on the ng. See where this is going?


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering
bully. He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him
as a tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout








katysails February 26th 05 05:09 PM

I'm black Irish, fortunately...I tan rather well....the temps that Taddie's
mentioning though don't tempt me...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Taddy,
I'm sure Katy doesn't want to burn, but you know how difficult it is for
the Irish to tan.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
You _want_to be burnt????

katysails wrote:
Oh goody....can I do the torture part????

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Scout wrote:

you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
--
Salem Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera




--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm






katysails February 26th 05 05:10 PM

GASP.....how could your mind come up with such a thought???

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects on the
mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of this, there is much
those of us far from the madding crowd can indeed accept from you. But
please, for your own health and sanity, not to mention those young minds
for whom you are responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt
Neal just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote

Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!



So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?


He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

You can do better than that.



How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.


He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose

monogram

is a paper thin mask of civility.



Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?



Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout


--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm




JG February 26th 05 05:37 PM

OIC

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I'm just mentioning Jon, not just noticing!
Scout

"JG" wrote in message
...
Bwahahahaaa... you've just noticed this? Neal does this with anyone who
disagrees with him on anything.

Get with it Scout.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

Spark Notes (similar to Cliff's):

Summary - Act II, scene viii
Le Bret argues that Cyrano is ruining his chances of becoming a
successful
man or a famous poet. Cyrano says he will live according to his ideals
and
that he has no interest in making friends with unworthy men. Suddenly,
Christian enters.


Your interpretation is a bit different. Where does the difference come
from?

Just an observation. Have you noticed how people automatically condemn
things that challenge them rather than risking failure by accepting the
challenge? Students do this routinely, claiming things they haven't
mastered (read as: fear they cannot master), are stupid or unworthy.
Cyrano and Captain Neal both exhibit this behavior. In the case of the
latter, CN condemns me as unworthy because I have challenged his
political point of view. He doesn't appreciate my opinion regarding our
president's education reform initiatives, so he attacks everything from
my writing style to my manhood. Whether either is lacking is irrelevant
to the point of discussion. That, and only that, is my point in
challenging CN.
I've shared some of what I've experienced in America's public schools.
Let CN bring what he knows to the table. That is where this branch of
the discussion broke away.
Kurt Vonnegut said once that he wished to tell a story without using any
profanity. He said he had an important message to give, and he knew that
many people would not want to hear the message. He said he also knew
that if he used vulgarity of any sort, he would be giving those people
the justification they needed to turn away from what was important. I
haven't used any profanity either ~ so those who don't want to hear my
testimony will have to find or fabricate some other reason to turn a
deaf ear. I suppose a poorly focused paragraph works for CN.
Scout








Scout February 26th 05 06:45 PM

Ditto here on my mother's side.
Made the lifeguarding job a whole lot easier : )
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I'm black Irish, fortunately...I tan rather well....the temps that
Taddie's mentioning though don't tempt me...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Taddy,
I'm sure Katy doesn't want to burn, but you know how difficult it is for
the Irish to tan.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
You _want_to be burnt????

katysails wrote:
Oh goody....can I do the torture part????

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Scout wrote:

you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
--
Salem Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera




--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm








Scout February 26th 05 06:50 PM

"She's a witch! ~ she turned me into a newt!
{ long pause } ~ I got better"

"katysails" wrote in message
...
What a crucible we've become...and who will sit in judgment?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their
good names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Flying Tadpole" wrote
Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout










Scout February 26th 05 06:51 PM

I thought that's what you were intimating.

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Do you really want that?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scout = Captain Neal??

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Scout,
You are the only poster here who is known to be civil or who has earned
respect by most posters on the ng. See where this is going?


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering
bully. He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember
him as a tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout










Scout February 26th 05 06:55 PM

Doug,
how did you come to have such an extensive background in literature?
Scout

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
But aren't you mixing your metaphorical characters a bit too freely? I
mean, Cyrano ne'er tilted any windbagmills no matter slow or fine they
grind.



Gilligan wrote:
DE GUICHE (who has controlled himself--smiling):
Have you read 'Don Quixote'?

CYRANO:
I have!
And doff my hat at th' mad knight-errant's name.

DE GUICHE:
I counsel you to study. . .

A PORTER (appearing at back):
My lord's chair!

DE GUICHE:
. . .The windmill chapter!

CYRANO (bowing):
Chapter the Thirteenth.

DE GUICHE:
For when one tilts 'gainst windmills--it may chance. . .

CYRANO:
Tilt I 'gainst those who change with every breeze?

DE GUICHE:
. . .That windmill sails may sweep you with their arm
Down--in the mire!. . .

CYRANO:
Or upward--to the stars!


I remembered that part... one of my favorite pieces of literature... BTW
aren't you afraid of invoking the Crapton's ire, quoting something that's
not only "Theatah" but so blatantly French?

Observe the above dialogue. Cyrano was not tilting at windmills, nor was
he planning to. He was pointing oout De Guiche's error in assuming that
Don Quixote's madness would inevitably lead to failure & humiliation... a
veiled threat against Cyrano.

DSK




Flying Tadpole February 26th 05 08:43 PM

He needed an antidote to engineering school?
Flying Tadpole

Scout wrote:
Doug,
how did you come to have such an extensive background in literature?
Scout

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

But aren't you mixing your metaphorical characters a bit too freely? I
mean, Cyrano ne'er tilted any windbagmills no matter slow or fine they
grind.

Gilligan wrote:

DE GUICHE (who has controlled himself--smiling):
Have you read 'Don Quixote'?

CYRANO:
I have!
And doff my hat at th' mad knight-errant's name.

DE GUICHE:
I counsel you to study. . .

A PORTER (appearing at back):
My lord's chair!

DE GUICHE:
. . .The windmill chapter!

CYRANO (bowing):
Chapter the Thirteenth.

DE GUICHE:
For when one tilts 'gainst windmills--it may chance. . .

CYRANO:
Tilt I 'gainst those who change with every breeze?

DE GUICHE:
. . .That windmill sails may sweep you with their arm
Down--in the mire!. . .

CYRANO:
Or upward--to the stars!


I remembered that part... one of my favorite pieces of literature... BTW
aren't you afraid of invoking the Crapton's ire, quoting something that's
not only "Theatah" but so blatantly French?

Observe the above dialogue. Cyrano was not tilting at windmills, nor was
he planning to. He was pointing oout De Guiche's error in assuming that
Don Quixote's madness would inevitably lead to failure & humiliation... a
veiled threat against Cyrano.

DSK





Flying Tadpole February 26th 05 08:46 PM

By the processes of elimination Scout was running through,
Neal=Bobsprit was one of the few possibilities left. As a kind
and compassionate soul, I thought I'd better help him with his
selection process...

--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sbhome.htm
http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://music.download.com/internetopera


katysails wrote:
GASP.....how could your mind come up with such a thought???

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...

Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects on the
mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of this, there is much
those of us far from the madding crowd can indeed accept from you. But
please, for your own health and sanity, not to mention those young minds
for whom you are responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt
Neal just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:

"Gilligan" wrote


Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!


So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?



He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

You can do better than that.


How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.



He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose

monogram


is a paper thin mask of civility.


Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?


Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout


--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm





Scout February 26th 05 09:34 PM

But I didn't mentioned any matches ~ or did I?
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
By the processes of elimination Scout was running through, Neal=Bobsprit
was one of the few possibilities left. As a kind and compassionate soul,
I thought I'd better help him with his selection process...

--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sbhome.htm
http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://music.download.com/internetopera


katysails wrote:
GASP.....how could your mind come up with such a thought???

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...

Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects on the
mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of this, there is much
those of us far from the madding crowd can indeed accept from you. But
please, for your own health and sanity, not to mention those young minds
for whom you are responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt
Neal just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:

"Gilligan" wrote


Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!


So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?



He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

You can do better than that.


How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering
bully. He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him
as a tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.



He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose

monogram


is a paper thin mask of civility.


Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?


Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout

--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm





katysails February 26th 05 11:15 PM

newt~tadpole`froggie...they're all one and thw ame...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"She's a witch! ~ she turned me into a newt!
{ long pause } ~ I got better"

"katysails" wrote in message
...
What a crucible we've become...and who will sit in judgment?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their
good names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Flying Tadpole" wrote
Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout












katysails February 26th 05 11:16 PM

just a casual warning too go no further...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought that's what you were intimating.

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Do you really want that?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scout = Captain Neal??

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Scout,
You are the only poster here who is known to be civil or who has earned
respect by most posters on the ng. See where this is going?


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering
bully. He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember
him as a tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction
or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular
poster here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel
free to expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout












katysails February 26th 05 11:17 PM

all those years closeted in the engine room of some dismal ship?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Doug,
how did you come to have such an extensive background in literature?
Scout

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
But aren't you mixing your metaphorical characters a bit too freely? I
mean, Cyrano ne'er tilted any windbagmills no matter slow or fine they
grind.


Gilligan wrote:
DE GUICHE (who has controlled himself--smiling):
Have you read 'Don Quixote'?

CYRANO:
I have!
And doff my hat at th' mad knight-errant's name.

DE GUICHE:
I counsel you to study. . .

A PORTER (appearing at back):
My lord's chair!

DE GUICHE:
. . .The windmill chapter!

CYRANO (bowing):
Chapter the Thirteenth.

DE GUICHE:
For when one tilts 'gainst windmills--it may chance. . .

CYRANO:
Tilt I 'gainst those who change with every breeze?

DE GUICHE:
. . .That windmill sails may sweep you with their arm
Down--in the mire!. . .

CYRANO:
Or upward--to the stars!


I remembered that part... one of my favorite pieces of literature... BTW
aren't you afraid of invoking the Crapton's ire, quoting something that's
not only "Theatah" but so blatantly French?

Observe the above dialogue. Cyrano was not tilting at windmills, nor was
he planning to. He was pointing oout De Guiche's error in assuming that
Don Quixote's madness would inevitably lead to failure & humiliation... a
veiled threat against Cyrano.

DSK






katysails February 26th 05 11:18 PM

well, don't let your mind drift like that again...~shudder~
"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
By the processes of elimination Scout was running through, Neal=Bobsprit
was one of the few possibilities left. As a kind and compassionate soul,
I thought I'd better help him with his selection process...

--
Flying Tadpole

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http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://music.download.com/internetopera


katysails wrote:
GASP.....how could your mind come up with such a thought???

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...

Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects on the
mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of this, there is much
those of us far from the madding crowd can indeed accept from you. But
please, for your own health and sanity, not to mention those young minds
for whom you are responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt
Neal just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:

"Gilligan" wrote


Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!


So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?



He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

You can do better than that.


How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering
bully. He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him
as a tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.



He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose

monogram


is a paper thin mask of civility.


Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?


Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout

--
Flying Tadpole

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Scout February 26th 05 11:25 PM

I knew that sooner or later I'd emerge as Taddy.
Sorry, sorry everyone.

"katysails" wrote in message
...
newt~tadpole`froggie...they're all one and thw ame...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"She's a witch! ~ she turned me into a newt!
{ long pause } ~ I got better"

"katysails" wrote in message
...
What a crucible we've become...and who will sit in judgment?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their
good names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Flying Tadpole" wrote
Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish,
misogynistic, racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive,
defensive, insecure, and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more
than a blustering hot wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is
the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout














Scout February 26th 05 11:27 PM

And to think all this just because I tried to show a bit of support for
jlrogers!

"katysails" wrote in message
...
just a casual warning too go no further...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought that's what you were intimating.

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Do you really want that?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scout = Captain Neal??

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Scout,
You are the only poster here who is known to be civil or who has
earned respect by most posters on the ng. See where this is going?


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering
bully. He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember
him as a tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction
or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not
mincing words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular
poster here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not
feel free to expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout














katysails February 27th 05 04:16 AM

there's a lot of support here for jr....I was just worried that someone
might actually think the unthinkable...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
And to think all this just because I tried to show a bit of support for
jlrogers!

"katysails" wrote in message
...
just a casual warning too go no further...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought that's what you were intimating.

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Do you really want that?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scout = Captain Neal??

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Scout,
You are the only poster here who is known to be civil or who has
earned respect by most posters on the ng. See where this is going?


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering
bully. He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember
him as a tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here
whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction
or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not
mincing words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular
poster here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not
feel free to expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout
















Scout February 27th 05 07:24 AM

Ya know, some folks (not me mind you) might think that your warning could
mean someone has stumbled too close to the truth! ahaaaaaaaaaaa!
Scout, keepin' an eye on Katy!

"katysails" wrote
just a casual warning too go no further...




katysails February 27th 05 01:25 PM

mmmmmm...I'll never tell...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Ya know, some folks (not me mind you) might think that your warning could
mean someone has stumbled too close to the truth! ahaaaaaaaaaaa!
Scout, keepin' an eye on Katy!

"katysails" wrote
just a casual warning too go no further...







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